"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Well like I said in a previous post. I seem to be having much better luck in SD4Me, than SA. The girls seem a little more real. Less GPS, less sense of entitlement, and less scammers. But they are still there. But things are really looking up.

REVVOATFSB, This is a real winner here guys. Top quality and I mean top. 9 Head 8 body 10 personality and attitude. She is a 38Yo MILF, white, sparkling blue eyes and skin soft as silk, and an ass you could serve a beer on. Oh and she looks about 30. We hit it off immediately (sorry sub). Attraction is very important to me. So is chemistry. We met we talked we went on three normal dates and then sealed the deal. She looks like a soccer mom a hot one. Then she talks about all of the crazy sex things she wants to do. Can you say heaven. Has a real job. And just wants a married guy to have fun with. Not share her life with. Wow what an ideal situation. In addition she is very kinky and loves to experiment. Man that first fuck was pure heaven. She had not had sex with a man in four years. She kept telling me this the whole time. She told me on the night we were to have sex she masturbated before I picked her up. And she still exploded all over my dick. This was one juicy pussy. Lots of fun things ahead with this one. Some scheduling issues. But she is very willing to accommodate my schedule. I put her on retainer. (sub thanks for the advice on that also, you are the man) She may be all that I need.

I have had many many POTs many many flakes, and a few freaks. I even have a couple on the line that could turn into good bootycall babies. But there was quite a bit of frustration on this front, but I soldiered on and kept at it. And then like an angel from heaven my main POT below fell in my lap.

REVVOPOT1, Boys I am telling you this is what everyone man is looking for here. First she is Asian and loves sex. Not a GPS, sweet as can be and really fun. 26YO, firm body, possibly the best ass I have ever touched. Small and petitie. A real part time model. She showed me her stuff. 9 Head. 9 body, and 9. 5 personality. She is a real professional with a real job. Educated. She graduated from one of the top schools in the country for her field. She travels also but lives in my area half the time. Very convenient when you don't want to be on top of each other all of the time. Have not closed the deal yet. She is ready to go to the FC tomorrow. Kissed her and it was like kissing an angel, soft lips putty in my hands. She is very submissive and is just waiting for me to mold her. And molding I will do. When I get done with her she going to look like a pretzel.

I have paid a dear price to get to this point. I apreciate all the help I have gotten on this forum. Especially to Sub Commander, and Hollywood, and MajicRat. Without these guys I would probably have quit and returned to my live of quite desperation. Listen to what they say. They know their shit.

Be careful out there,

Revvo

My experience has been totally negative with any girls who have wanted to engage in dirty talk or exchange of salacious pics. I totally agree with Revvo that they somehow get their jollies by being naughty but never have to end up doing the deed. I think some of them think they can score some money just for the thrill of seeing their naked tits.

I will never do it again. I will save my special stuff for the FC. And girls never want to see our junk-ever LOL. I have had 3 definite hot and heavy sexting sessions that ended up badly (no M&G) athave sent naked pics and did not M&G either.

Going to see my HCB current ATF tonight. I am some kind of excited!

Hi guys! Back in the posting saddle again. For those of you that don't recognize me, and wish to know more about me, take a look at some of my past posts to read my SB story. A few weeks ago I made a connection off SA. She was a fairly hot 32 yo blonde. We made a date for a M&G at a public location. The night before we started texting. After some get-to-know-you type texts it started getting sexual. What position do you like turned into photos, turned into video from each other masturbating. We made arrangements to skip the public meet and see each other in private the next day. We text in the morning to confirm time. Then nothing. Meet time came and went. No response. I sent her a couple questioning texts afterward with no response. A sad ending, right? WRONG! A few days later she texts admitting to getting cold feet. Never done this before. Etc. We set another date. She shows for this one. 30 seconds after walking through my door she's devouring me. Full on lip lock, legs wrapping around me, the type of hugging and groping like she's trying to get inside your entire body. What followed was 90 minutes of the most intense, mind blowing sex I've had in years. Unfortunately after that she dropped off the radar again. Just sayin' sometimes the early pic thing works out.

Glad to be back,

Drummer.

[QUOTE=Jbl0068; 1725170]Just wanted to see if anyone would share their experience with me about girls who send erotic photos even before a meet and greet. I have read the forum and would still appreciate any further insights some of you might have.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1725328]I have a couple of thoughts on this one.

I have had many girls send me erotic photos some down right X rated. BDSM photos etc. I love them of course but do not think for a minute because they have sent you these photos you are going to get the pussy. Look at it like another step towards the pussy. In fact it can be a good tool to get them to comply with you. And that does help with a trip to the FC. But surely no guarantee.

Another thought. It has been my experience and noticed many on the forum who gone through elaborate sexually charged text and email exchanges with POTs on here just to be frustrated or rejected. Lots of naughty pictures and explicit texting can actually be overdone and lead to rejection by the POT. For some reason it will give her cold feet or satisfy what she needs without having to go through with the act.

Texting should be to briefly get to know each other and to set the date. Telling her to send you photos should be just to get her to get used to complying with you. This will lead to Bette sucess. Let me know how this works for you.

By the way not seeing a lot of reports out there. Keep me coming guys.

Be careful out there,

Revvo[/QUOTE]Due to the large demand from most guys asking girls for pics. I NEVER ask for them, as long as I see one face pic and one full body pic. It's sort of a reverse psychology thing. Makes me look less demanding upfront. All I know is it works for me

So, I a couple of months ago I started looking into the SB thing, read this forum and posted that I was going to take the plunge. Thought it was time for an update. I travel a lot for work and have been far from home for work for the last 3 months. I'll be heading home in a few more weeks for the summer, so I decided on a two-pronged attack. My first strategy was aimed at the area I am working in. I wanted to try and secure a short term SB here, to keep me warm through the cold winter before I return to the desert. I sent out 10-12 emails, trying to emulate F Scott's approach to out of town SB's. I felt a little time pressure, so perhaps I was too direct, as I got no response from most. Then, the situation got brighter. In a previous post I remarked about a response I had gotten from a woman who was kind of appalled to find herself on a SB site, supposedly by accident. I thought my chances were nil, but I persevered. We emailed, then texted, and finally agreed to meet in the middle (she was two hours away) for dinner drinks. At the last minute, she asked if I could drive all the way to her. I responded that I would be happy to, but it would have to bean early night, as I had to get back and be at work early. She texted back that as long as I wasn't a serial killer, I could crash at her place if needed. Victory! We met at the restaurant and she exceeded my expectations. After dinner she asked if I had to get back or if I would like to stop at her place for a drink. I felt it would be un-chivalrous of me to decline, so off to her place we went. I will remember the night that followed for a long time. After her earlier comments about the SB / SD thing I did not offer sugar, and she never mentioned it. We continued to talk and text for a couple of weeks, and met in the middle for dinner once. Most of our conversation actually revolved around the potential for a more conventional relationship, but we never could make our schedules work out. Finally, having failed to close the deal again, it was time to go. Great memory, CPO $0 (in Sub Cmdr terms) , but a one hit wonder.

Being a man who likes to have a long term plan, I also started sewing seeds back in PHX for my return home. I will be back there in few weeks, and it looks promising. I have POT 1, AA hardbody that I have been conversing with the longest, I think is 80% in the bag. POT 2: she's a 19 yo easy 9. 0. She's the one I want the most, says she's new to this but I fear may have GPS. But her pictures speak to me. I will put the most effort. And $. Into this as long as I think she's viable. POT 3 is a 22 YO single mom. Also new, seems timid. Very cute, wants to go slow, which I'm fine with (since I'm not even there yet) as long as go slow is not code for "pay me not to F*K you". I have 2-3 others that are new responses to emails. I will report again after I am home and working hard on these opportunities!

The possibilities are amazing, wish I had started on this much sooner.

I had one SB sent me a professional taken erotic photos. Turned out she was in the adult business. After agreed with $$, she basically just BJ. When I asked for more, she said,"that would need more than $$". Of course, no repeat.

(That was among my first SBs, now got trained by Cmdr. Chance of this happening is diminished)

[QUOTE=Jbl0068; 1725170]Just wanted to see if anyone would share their experience with me about girls who send erotic photos even before a meet and greet. I have read the forum and would still appreciate any further insights some of you might have.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Mr. Strict: I-95 corridor, NOVA to Richmond, west to C'ville.

Fred Moore: Washington, DC with Charlotte, NC to Bethesda, MD and points in betweem.

BigTigg: VA, MD, DC, PA, DE (Travel SBs from: Cali, Atlanta, Buffalo, Alabama)

CantWinLosin: Richmond VA.

AliasSM: Baltimore and North.

Hernando:Richmond, Va to Washington, DC.

DantaKarma: Northern VA, DC, Southern MD.

HighCotton: Richmond VA.

HappyHunter44: Charlottesville, VA

GuyWoodson: Centreville VA.

SubCmdr. DC, MD, VA Cali (San Diego & Oceanside) and Las Vegas.

HollywoodGuy: Hollywood CA.

Wnde8: Los Angeles CA.

Bondo500: Central Ohio

TreasureHunter: Los Angeles, CA.

LoriTruck: NC, SC, GA.

Magic Rat: NC, SC.

Kyowa: far-western-Kentucky.

KY Man629: Central Kentucky to Southern Ohio and Southern Indiana.

ATLDrummer: Atlanta.

Joesouncool:GA / TN.

Donwhite: Nashville TN.

PatsFan1: So. NH and No. Mass.

F. Scott: Chicago and surrounding suburbs, OTR (Asheville, NC, and New Orleans)

Golfcart: Indiana.

West Central: Wabash Valley IN / IL, TX, MA, Oz.

Smokarz_XO: CT.

FotoGuy1970: Michigan

I cannot believe how fast time flies.

I was trying to read back and comment on a few things, but man I was over 15 pages back. Too too much. So I'll hit on a few things.

Revvo: Welcome back!

#Feelings: Yes they can get kinda intense, but it's always good to never lose sight of what you are really there for and live with limitations and boundaries.

#BareBack: Most I've been with were not ok with it. However I must admit to having a few like a good bareback ride. Lately I've run across more that will. It spans all ages. I'm a big fan of STD tests. It really depends on how tight my pseudo is.

#Money: Money and quality do not go hand in hand. I do feel that sometimes it's may be worth the investment to give a little beforehand. But you got to have a good feel and know when to cut your losses.

#Pics: I only ask for a full body one and maybe one or two face pics. From there I move on. I never send pics of the TiggaStick until after they have done the TiggaBounce. My unfortunate experience has been that many that send the erotic photos do not end up making it to the FC.

#Identification: If she asks for it, I'm out. I don't use fake IDs. I pay cash or have my own GreenDot. I use Hotwire. I have a batphone and for the most part keep my info to myself.

#MsSuccessful: I have seen her twice in 4 weeks. After this last time (Wed) , she "woke up" and realized that times were getting infrequent. She is ready to get at it twice a week now.

#MsLatinaNympho: Met her via AM. We exchanged texts, asked very few questions. Met the same day we text for the first time. She is thick with a nice big booty. Not the fat type, the phat type. 100% Latina, with heavy accent. On the way to the lunch meet-and-greet (Thurs) she asked if lunch was all we were going to do. I said I don't promise anything until after we meet. We had lunch and she gave me that look and asked me to get a room. By this time, I was ready. So after lunch, we left and went straight to a hotel. The sex was very good, she even said a number of things in Spanish."who the hell is Papi. LOL". Since this was another AM find. I paid for lunch and hotel. Nothing else. She asked me later when can she get some more. She wants as much as I can give. Next date is planned for Sunday.

#MsOxyMoron: We are meeting tomorrow (Fri). We have an agreement $$$$ per month. Once a week for 2 to 4 hours each visit. She did not get the new apartment yet. After a few months of this, we'll see if the consistent sugar moves her along faster.

#Young-and-Beautiful: I've not had a chance to see her again. She is in Nando 1 category. So I'm keeping my distance.

#MsMature Nurse: Met on AM, first date was dinner and hotel. The sex was good, I've just been to spoiled by these young hard bodies. She had nice breasts and was pretty good in bed. I expect to see her once a month. I paid for room and gas.

#MsHotBody from CL: We have met twice. The second meeting was "ok". It was laid back. I got some kisses and great flirtatious feels and body rubbing. But alas, it was all in public. Since we have kept our clothes on, the sugar has been very limited. She's been a little flaky lately and I'm not about to invest in Arizona Waterfront Property.

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AM.

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3 More POTs from AM. 1 in South NJ. 1 in Delaware and 1 in Baltimore. All are Caucasian, middle-aged. 5'6-5'8 with very well proportioned bodys. One had some great boobs, her private pic showed one all out for me to see....

I'll try not to stay away for so long.

BigTigg

Well, I'm a little embarrassed to put this out there, but I need to get the guy perspective on this latest occurrence.

I met last PM with my MRATF (Most Recent All Time Fav) I think a new acronym is in order. This was our 4th. The previous 3 were superb with a nice FC closure to a nice laid back night of snuggling. Last night we had a great warmup dinner and snuggle, but when we got in bed she said she was on her period and was not into sex at that time of the month. I of course said that it is the perfect time because pregnancy is not going to happen with a bareback shot in the bread basket. No Dice. I was steamed! What the F*k do they think we are paying them for? If I decided that I don't do allowances on one week of the month I don't think the reaction would be good. I know what you soldiers will say up front not being Emotionally into this SB like I am. But * this is what I decided to do for now. I bit my tongue last night and got up and took a cold shower (poor me) In the AM I told her I was disappointed that we will have to go 2 weeks without sex and she said that we will make up for it next week. How do you make up for a missed opportunity? Is she going to fuck me harder? Faster? Slower? I also said that I will keep up with her cycle and not schedule an appt with her when she is on. I did not get firm or lecture about the responsibilities of a SD / SB I pay the Sugar, she upholds her end of the bargain period (or no period ). I have a wife who does that kind of shit. I don't want a SB doing it also. She told me to be good this weekend, but I am horny as hell and will attempt to locate another SB to satisfy me.

I guess the question in all this rant is How would you guys approach your baby who you care a lot for? (she is not a garden tool personality) Would you have a sit down come to Jesus discussion? Or let it slide until it happens again? Remember, I am not going to see her on her period which penalizes her 1 week / month thereby reducing her monthly take. I'm also of the mind that she should "make it up to me " by seeing me twice next week, once for free. I will mention that to her and see what she says.

My Current Former Most Recent ATF HCB (CFMRHCB) has come back and is wanting a weekly gig. So I will pencil her in for next week.

My Sexting fail of last month has started writing again and is talking like she wants to meet. Her multiple R Rated pics were un*be*

Lievably hot!

The only downside here is a lack of funds to pursue this many SBs, so I will have to figure out how to generate more secret funds.

Mr. Fredmore,

If you are paying an allowance and you have a set number a visits per month. Then I don't see what the big deal is moving the dates around her period. If it is P4P then I would go off. Why? Because she has a duty to disclose to you that there would be no sex due to her period. But even worse is that she did not offer to jack you, suck you or spread her ass for you. It would be a sad world if only the pussy was available for us to get off.

Now I have had women start their periods in all sorts of situations and relationships. There are only two types of women: those who will get you off during their periods and those that won't.

We are paying these girls to fuck! Belay that! I don't know what the rest of you mother fuckers are doing (LOL). I am paying MY girls to fuck! If they are not fucking me then I am not paying them. And in case you think I only take a harsh attitude with women. I take the same attitude with civi women in my life also. I tell them that they can be absolutely certain that if they are not fucking me then someone else is. I am not a Priest. Celibacy is not a option until I can no longer get it up!

A great bunch of posts yesterday and today. Very useful.

Re the period thing. I agree she should let you know in advance. My experience is, a female in the FC usually offers a solution without being asked.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1726445]Re the period thing. My experience is, a female in the FC usually offers a solution without being asked.[/QUOTE]

Some of the most creative sex I have ever had was when whoever I was fucking was on the rag, and these were Ivy League women with trust funds and pearl necklaces to boot!

Can't comment on what Tools might do - that's just not how I roll - but to each his own. It's what makes this thread so great: a tolerance for different opinions and approaches, and mutual respect for each others feelings and postings. No one trying to dominate the discussion or shutting down other posts if they are contrary to his own assertions. I'm so proud of us all! To see what this thread could degrade into, take a look at the similar one in the Los Angeles section. Not pleasant!

Keep up the good work, my brothers!

Scott

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1726426]Mr. Fredmore,

If you are paying an allowance and you have a set number a visits per month. Then I don't see what the big deal is moving the dates around her period. If it is P4P then I would go off. Why? Because she has a duty to disclose to you that there would be no sex due to her period. But even worse is that she did not offer to jack you, suck you or spread her ass for you.

Attention! Commander on deck![/QUOTE]Agreed!

Looking at this from the "I care about her" perspective. She should also care about you. I've had women to almost get mad if during regular sex I didn't have an orgasm. There seems to be an imbalance of "care" in this relationship. She should also care about you enough to want you always sexually satisfied. There was no need for her to make it up later, she needed to get with the program right then. I'm a nice guy and I understand not wanting to be too forward. But there are times were it's 100% in your right in any relationship to be selfish and take action (she may complain at first, but she'll get with it, if not, you may need to move on anyway). Oral, Anal, Hand, or Breasts with oil. I've even had some with very nice butts, slap some oil in the cheeks and let me go to town. When she cares about your satisfaction, then there is no reason you should not leave completely drained!

These relationships are supposed to be "Mutually Beneficial", choose your tactic wisely, but set a standard. Remember often times people will do (in this case "not do") what you let them get away with.

BigTigg

It's very interesting that this discussion came up. Just the other night I actually got the PMS info from my Innocence SB, so I can track her cycle. There's a bunch of free apps and websites that will track cycles for you. I use a web-based tracker and pretty much any SB I begin to see on a regular basis, I put her info in the PMS tracker. Sometimes I'm coy about asking when her last cycle began, other times (like with my current SB) I'm pretty direct.

Some guys are fine with having bloody intercourse, but not me. I'm not big on blood to begin with, and menstrual blood can have a strong odor and can be hard to clean. Also some studies suggest there's an increase risk in picking up STDs (not just HIV) having period sex even with a condom. So I prefer to avoid intercourse altogether during that time.

So overall I try to schedule my time around her period. But if it sneaks up on her then yeah she should be willing to take care of business in other ways. She still has a mouth, hands, and tits.

FredMoore. If you like this girl and you don't consider her a "tool", then I wouldn't bother trying to get a "free" visit to make up for this. It'll probably just drag on the issue and create more animosity. But I do recommend giving a STRONG lecture to her about how she did not get you off by other means. She needs to understand that regardless your needs to be met especially if you're giving her sugar. Her duty is to satisfy you. In fact, she should want to satisfy you. Leaving you with blue balls is not an option even if she's on the rag.

But Fred, I would just tred carefully. If everything else is going good, you don't want to blow-up the arrangement over this one issue. Just make sure she now knows what time it is so it doesn't happen in the future.

EDIT: Haha, looks like I pretty much said the same thing as BigTigger.

Actually if you take a look in the Los Angeles section under Sugar Daddy sites you will find lots of good work on the West Coast Sugar market with plenty of tolerance and well reasoned discussion without a lot of E influenced rationalization.

First a hearty hello and thanks to the Tig man. Long time no hear. Don't forget about us amatures out here.

So the week has finished off with a bang in more than one way. Lets update shall we.

REVVOATF1; This is just getting better. No drama, no bullshit, no lying that I have been able to detect. And believe me I have checked. No excuses. Oh and she is on retainer and no crap about that either, she is always available if she can get away. (thanks Sub on advice on trusting my instincts they appear to be right on this one) And this is a baby that has real financial problems, a 4 yo child, and not a lot of support resources where she lives. I am really impressed. I treat her right. And she does me. She is not clingy. And does not want that from a man. Live your own life and meet in the middle.

So meet we did and had a nice dinner and then up to the FC. I give her instructions occasionally throughout the week. This does several things it engenders compliance, it AMPs up both our sexual desire for when we meet, and maintains her submissive position. If you have not tried this you should. It works great. The sex was awesome. Two nuts and we were both spent. I spanked her ass so hard it was beet red. Long after we were done. She has now told me it was not sore enough the next day. Oh well a SugarDaddy's work is never done. I will just have to go back and finish the job. LOL. This is a beautiful woman that is highly sexual and ready to please. I sometimes cannot believe my luck.

REVVOSB1; Yes this was almost too easy. It's so funny how hard you work for something sometimes and all you get are bruises and cuts, and frustration. Then a beautiful little angel literally falls into your lap. She was everything I hoped she would be and more. Very submissive, pleasant, intelligent, attentive, sexually open and ready to be molded. Enthusiastic. Damn. I am getting a boner just writing this. We set up a meet at a restaurant and then off to the FC. Get this. I am about 4 minutes late. She gets there early and gets us a table, and orders me a drink. She is in a cute little business suit waiting for me! Do you understand what this is like? A POT waiting for you. This may be a first in SD / SB history! Usually I am just hoping some miserable flaky POT just shows up, forget being on time. This one is trying from square one to please. Once again no bullshit, no complaining, no trying to hustle, no working some angle. Just a pleasant lunch where we talk about everything and she is trying to understand how to please me. I feel like I am writing one of those bullshit penthouse forum letters. But this is the real thing.

So we get to the FC and she is good to go. Doing every thing we can and every which way we can. Perfect little size 00 body, weighs 100lbs soaking wet. And a pair shaped ass that brought a tear to my eye. Two nuts and I am out of condoms. And energy. I could possibly go for a third nut. But the problem isn't my dick its my stamina. These babies want to be fucked really hard, and I can only keep up that pace for so long. I am going to have to up my workouts. And get them to blow me more before slip my cock in their pussy.

Well that is it for now. My little asian fortune cookie is off to NY for work for a while. And my ATF started her period right after I fucked her. So I will see her late next week sometime. Man I feel so lucky. Beats the shit out of sitting home watching TV! But it's not luck it is a lot of work and risk to get here. And no guarantee it will last. My friend who I really trust is the only one who know about this and he says there is a good chance I will get caught.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

Thanks for all your input guys. Follow up from several kind but strongly referenced emails exhibit a fair amount of regret at her failure to satisfy my needs and a hope to never send me away with a full load. So I know she got the message. I do want to preserve the arrangement so I remained kind and loving.

I am going to school thanks to one of our own in the art of playing a Dom role, so I hopefully will learn how to be more assertive without having to pull out the whip. Or maybe I will.

And I will track her cycle and avoid her period. I will try PMS Tracker She might change her tune when she sees that I am serious about getting my nut and she will not see me during that time.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1726298]Well, I'm a little embarrassed to put this out there, but I need to get the guy perspective on this latest occurrence.

I met last PM with my MRATF (Most Recent All Time Fav) I think a new acronym is in order. This was our 4th. The previous 3 were superb with a nice FC closure to a nice laid back night of snuggling. Last night we had a great warmup dinner and snuggle, but when we got in bed she said she was on her period and was not into sex at that time of the month. I of course said that it is the perfect time because pregnancy is not going to happen with a bareback shot in the bread basket. No Dice. I was steamed! What the F*k do they think we are paying them for? If I decided that I don't do allowances on one week of the month I don't think the reaction would be good. I know what you soldiers will say up front not being Emotionally into this SB like I am. But * this is what I decided to do for now. I bit my tongue last night and got up and took a cold shower (poor me) In the AM I told her I was disappointed that we will have to go 2 weeks without sex and she said that we will make up for it next week. How do you make up for a missed opportunity? Is she going to fuck me harder? Faster? Slower? I also said that I will keep up with her cycle and not schedule an appt with her when she is on. I did not get firm or lecture about the responsibilities of a SD / SB I pay the Sugar, she upholds her end of the bargain period (or no period ). I have a wife who does that kind of shit. I don't want a SB doing it also. She told me to be good this weekend, but I am horny as hell and will attempt to locate another SB to satisfy me.

I guess the question in all this rant is How would you guys approach your baby who you care a lot for? (she is not a garden tool personality) Would you have a sit down come to Jesus discussion? Or let it slide until it happens again? Remember, I am not going to see her on her period which penalizes her 1 week / month thereby reducing her monthly take. I'm also of the mind that she should "make it up to me " by seeing me twice next week, once for free. I will mention that to her and see what she says.[/QUOTE]I never look at a girl being on her period as a bad thing. Of course I want to fck (and never do that when its that time of the month, it's a kosher thing) but there are so many other things you can do that we all seem to forget. Like letting her practice her oral skills or anal if thats what you're into. Most girls need and want oral training. Whether they think they are oral artists or not we know that 4 out of 5 times it could be better. They want to please us and its a great way to show their appreciation.

Talk to them while they are practicing, either instructionally or dirty or both. Praise their accomplishments and improved skills. Let them know daddy loves them no matter what. Spend time just kissing and petting (and even talking. LOL). While you may wish for more, the level of bonding achieved in these so called down times will be more than made up for later.

Like the suit guy says "I guarantee it"

A while back I remember reading about Golden Mans (pretty sure it was him) tactic of chatting up shop girls and dropping hints that would lead to an SB arrangement. He went out of his way to frequent places that typically hired PYT's. I thought it was interesting but figured it could never work for me due to my tight schedule and not having the time to invest in this type of pursuit.

One of the few social activities I engage in is the occasional fetish party. There is a big fetish scene in L. A. That I am not a part of but I drop in from time to time. 95%+ of the girls are pro-dommes with a few subs, strippers and adult performers of various types. But once in a while a curious amateur shows up. These girls always have a very strong fetish need that is not being met by their BF and they just can't take it any longer so they somewhat lower their standards and go slumming so to speak to relieve their anxiety.

Usually they do it once and never come back as they consider it creepy to display their private desires at a party or just too far out. Anyway one day I hookup with this straight off the ranch mexican girl (an unfulfilled fantasy of mine) with one of the strongest (to go unnamed here fetish) that I have ever encountered. As my skills in that area are well honed we had an instant connection. She immediately left and I did not see her again for a few months. She said she had a boyfriend and it all seemed too remote.

But over the course of a year I saw her at a couple other parties and we were always cordial and would hookup for a session or 2 and that was it. But we did exchange phone #'s. Finally one day a month or so ago I see her at a party and I say to her, "I know you like me, why don't we just meet at my place and fck". She says "I really like you but I can't" I ask why not and she says "you are a manhore", as she did know a little about my lifestyle from some conversations we had along the way. So I leave it at that and go home and forgot all about any chance of doing her.

Three days ago she calls me in a panic about a minor legal problem and I calm her down. She says she has to go to the court (which is right near my house) and will I pick her up because she is full of anxiety and wants to chill at my place for a little fetish fun (no charge). So I pick her up today. We go to my house and straight to the bedroom. With in minutes I pull out a $ and hand it to her. She looks at me surprised and says "is this for my birthday?". As coincidentally it was a couple weeks ago. I say yes and we proceed to chill for an hour.

Prior to leaving there was a little hugging and some minor kissing, followed by a little more in the car. Now since day one there has been awesome chemistry (but no physical affection displayed outside the fetish session) and that has led to nothing. The exact reason I never civi date. Way too much dancing around and uncertainty. A few hours later the heavy txting begins and I am going to talk to her tomorrow and see her next week. At my house she says she has to break up with her BF to pursue this. As she is strictly a one man type of woman and never dates guys that play around. Now it appears like it will progress no matter what. I admit I have my hopes up.

So is it a combination of a shared interest, a real physical attraction and maybe the $ combined that pushed her over the edge (almost)? We will see and I will let you know. She is a 7/9 spinner (rare for her cultural background and actually looked down on as unattractive) with a perfect fetish match. BTW. I did reveal all four of my regular SB's to her in detail so there is no deception.

It's been awhile since I posted and this board is even more popular since my last post! I wanted to thank the Godfathers of the board for replying to my hotel question. I'm working on a couple of POTS but work has me occupied, so I can't spend as much time as I'the like on searching for babies and meet and greets.

You fellas seem to be striking gold at every turn! I'm especially proud of the guys who had bad experiences in the beginning but kept at it and are now knee deep in puntang. :) I'm playing catch up but I will contribute when I can.

[QUOTE=F Scott;1726600]To see what this thread could degrade into, take a look at the similar one in the Los Angeles section.[/QUOTE]Come on Scott. No need for that.

Its great to see another post from you. More F Scott stories, please!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1727076]But once in a while a curious amateur shows up. These girls always have a very strong fetish need that is not being met by their BF and they just can't take it any longer so they somewhat lower their standards and go slumming so to speak to relieve their anxiety.

*Anyway one day I hookup with this straight off the ranch mexican girl (an unfulfilled fantasy of mine) with one of the strongest (to go unnamed here fetish) that I have ever encountered.[/QUOTE]This sounds like quite a scene you are into HG. Is there a way to figure out the kind of fetish you refer to in this post?"to go unnamed" it must be quite unusual. I don't know whether its just an intense version of what we all love or something for a few select individuals not including me.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1726960]Follow up from several kind but strongly referenced emails exhibit a fair amount of regret at her failure to satisfy my needs and a hope to never send me away with a full load. So I know she got the message.[/QUOTE]Sounds to me like you handled this well.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1726778]REVVOATF1; *she is always available if she can get away. *She has now told me it was not sore enough the next day. Oh well a SugarDaddy's work is never done. *

REVVOSB1; Very submissive, pleasant, intelligent, attentive, sexually open and ready to be molded. Enthusiastic. Damn. I am getting a boner just writing this. We set up a meet at a restaurant and then off to the FC. *So we get to the FC and she is good to go. Doing every thing we can and every which way we can.[/QUOTE]Maybe this is what the al quaeda types dream about for their afterlife in paradise. Very nice.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1727246]This sounds like quite a scene you are into HG. Is there a way to figure out the kind of fetish you refer to in this post?"to go unnamed" it must be quite unusual. I don't know whether its just an intense version of what we all love or something for a few select individuals not including me.[/QUOTE]My thinking is just more along the lines of staying a bit anonymous. And a type of writing style. I love the stories on here but don't see guys graphically describing the exact taste or feel of their SB's pussy when it's in their mouth, how big or small their dick is or how far they stick their tongue up some girls ass or vice versa. It's more along the lines of a romance novel. The point of the story was more to due with the tactics of pursuit then the kiss and tell of the encounter without sacrificing the one for the other.

Also the whole fetish variable is so varied and nuanced it would take a books worth of writing to accurately describe it in relation to the discussion at hand, which to me is the aquiring, maintaining and training of a worthy SB.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1726600]Some of the most creative sex I have ever had was when whoever I was fucking was on the rag, and these were Ivy League women with trust funds and pearl necklaces to boot!

Can't comment on what Tools might do. That's just not how I roll. But to each his own. It's what makes this thread so great: a tolerance for different opinions and approaches, and mutual respect for each others feelings and postings. No one trying to dominate the discussion or shutting down other posts if they are contrary to his own assertions. I'm so proud of us all! To see what this thread could degrade into, take a look at the similar one in the Los Angeles section. Not pleasant!

Keep up the good work, my brothers!

Scott[/QUOTE]This thread has over 3, 000 posts compared to less than 300 in L. A. So I could say too many cooks spoil the soup, or if I want to hear about lame sexual encounters from guys with less game than a six year old playing monopoly I will read a steamy romance story in cosmo.

Or maybe its more like a long novel and L. A. Is just on chapter one while richmond is on volume three. I, ve read other threads on this site that most would say glorify acts of degradation. But after reading them more closely I came to realize thats just how complex the overall topic of pussy can be and got a little more open minded as to what makes some people tick without judging their tactics or motives.

I have never been a player hater although I have certainly encountered many. I've had my ass kicked, been threatened and have been arrested twice and detained a couple more all over pussy. I have even been a male version of a Nando 1 SB myself so suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I certainly have mine. Different strokes for different folks. Live and let live. I hope I die fucking an 18 year old 10/10/10.

Hopefully none of this gets redacted as I believe it is an honest and non-hateful response. I have never tried to push the limits of this site. And i realize my sarcasm my be more than some are wanting to hear. let the moderators decide.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1727290]Different strokes for different folks. Live and let live.[/QUOTE]Amen to that.

[QUOTE]I hope I die fucking a 10/10/10.[/QUOTE]I hope you do too, Hollywood. Good luck.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1727272]My thinking is just more along the lines of staying a bit anonymous. And a type of writing style. I love the stories on here but don't see guys graphically describing the exact taste or feel of their SB's pussy when it's in their mouth, how big or small their dick is or how far they stick their tongue up some girls ass or vice versa. It's more along the lines of a romance novel. The point of the story was more to due with the tactics of pursuit then the kiss and tell of the encounter without sacrificing the one for the other.[/QUOTE]Got it HG. Not a problem. Thanks for your response.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1726721]Actually if you take a look in the Los Angeles section under Sugar Daddy sites you will find lots of good work on the West Coast Sugar market with plenty of tolerance and well reasoned discussion without a lot of E influenced rationalization.

Attention! Commander on deck![/QUOTE]Something about Baldy Cruiser

Hollywood,

Do you really tell your SBs that you love them?

I am not sure how that goes over with them. Does that not set a false expectation for them? Does that cause trouble down the road?

Revvo

I did some browsing through some old bookmarks and I took a look at escort prices and wow!

We have our ups and downs in this Hobby, but I just love the middle ground of SBs. When I think of all the activity and time that I can get for $250-$350 with a SB compared to the 1 hour I get with an escort; it's going to be hard to pick the escort over the SB. Thanks to this hobby I even got a posse of short notice booty call women. These come for free.

BigTigg.

"I'd rather have a "6" three different times than "10" one time!"

(Inspired by SubCmdr)

We have a number of categories for the women we tend to focus on (I apologize if I mess up the categories) What is your target group and order of precedence?

Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement.

Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact.

Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact.

Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate.

The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement.

Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning.

SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1727634]Hollywood,

Do you really tell your SBs that you love them?

I am not sure how that goes over with them. Does that not set a false expectation for them? Does that cause trouble down the road?

Revvo[/QUOTE]I say it Over and Over. Their typical response is. I love you more. And they do. there is no false expectation.. I am an honest and loyal SD... but if they cross me they are gone. I always tell them to think of me as a stepping stone. Nothing lasts forever. Just enjoy it while you can.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1727823]We have a number of categories for the women we tend to focus on (I apologize if I mess up the categories) What is your target group and order of precedence?

Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement.

Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact.

Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact.

Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate.

The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement.

Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning.

SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory.[/QUOTE]I am new to sugar world. Not the game, I tend to go for less attractive, less $, they seem to be more friendly, have had one high end sb, didn't like her $ need, felt like I owed her, I'm hoping to find that happy medium. Mid looks-body, yet still friendly, and don't mind hanging out for awhile. Got 1, 27yro little chubby, very reasonable. Very. Very freaky, will hang out for hrs, for little or nothing.

What I have done is say. :hey. You up for a trade. I would love to give you a massage and maybe you can help me relax?". Giving my SB a massage always warms me up and she is always accommodating. I am fortunate in that she likes to give oral. So its usually after the massage and she just says."how do you want me?". Mmmm. I have an ottoman at the end of my bed so I usually just toss a pillow on the floor for her knees (I'm such a nice SD. Don't want her to have too much discomfort on her knees. LOL). I sit on the ottoman. Lean back against the bed. She proceeds. And she finishes me as I please.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1726960]Thanks for all your input guys. Follow up from several kind but strongly referenced emails exhibit a fair amount of regret at her failure to satisfy my needs and a hope to never send me away with a full load. So I know she got the message. I do want to preserve the arrangement so I remained kind and loving.

I am going to school thanks to one of our own in the art of playing a Dom role, so I hopefully will learn how to be more assertive without having to pull out the whip. Or maybe I will.

And I will track her cycle and avoid her period. I will try PMS Tracker She might change her tune when she sees that I am serious about getting my nut and she will not see me during that time.[/QUOTE]

Gentleman,

Due to the integrated nature of spanking and bondage in sugar life I have put together a brief "quick start" guide to these activities. Although I will be the first to admit that I am no expert. I have received several inquires about it via PM. I have been spanking and tying women up long before I realized what a gift women are to the pursuit of my personal happiness.

To avoid any additional potential nastiness about my attitudes and methods I will not post it here. Just PM me for it and I will send it to you. And unless I'm filling a nasty girl with my splooge here on the east coast you will find my harsh, irreverent and disrespectful commentary in the LA or Las Vegas forums. The girl philosophy towards all women in my life has changed it for the better. It works for me. YMMV!

Lie to your wife's, SO's and girl's! Keep with real with yourselves you women loving mother fuckers (LOL)! And stop eating that her pussy. Let the panty boi's in their lives eat pussy. Give them the dick!

SubCmdr out!

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;1728080]What I have done is say. :hey. You up for a trade. I would love to give you a massage and maybe you can help me relax?". Giving my SB a massage always warms me up and she is always accommodating. I am fortunate in that she likes to give oral. So its usually after the massage and she just says."how do you want me?". Mmmm. I have an ottoman at the end of my bed so I usually just toss a pillow on the floor for her knees (I'm such a nice SD. Don't want her to have too much discomfort on her knees. LOL). I sit on the ottoman. Lean back against the bed. She proceeds. And she finishes me as I please.[/QUOTE]This sounds like a good approach to the problem. Thanks.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1727823]We have a number of categories for the women we tend to focus on (I apologize if I mess up the categories) What is your target group and order of precedence?[/QUOTE]Categories can change and targets of opportunity often supersede preconceptions (aka Mr Johnson has a mind of his own) but here's my priority list of targets based on BT's categories:

1. Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact. LIT2 COMMENT: I think a lot of SDs share this no. 1 priority. Easier said than done, however.

2. Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate. Lit2 COMMENT: I include in this category no-nonsense babes who know what they want and sign up for the SB sites but don't accept they are UTRs. I like the lack of entanglements plus the amateur enthusiasm in this group.

3, The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement. Lit2 COMMENT: This is a preferred category for me because the neediness / emotion ramps up the passion but these babies scare the piss out of me when they start attempts to get involved in your life. High security risk.

4. Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning. Lit2 COMMENT: I like strippers because you can inspect the merchandise and it is often a challenge to fuck them because they have seen it all before. Dating may be necessary to get her across the line. Yes they can be expensive. Escorts are too crazy to date when I've tried so I don't do it any more.

5. Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement. Lit2 COMMENT: these always make me feel guilty which is not what I am looking for.

6. Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact. Lit2 COMMENT: For me, these are among the worst. Often afflicted with GPS, often looking for a husband.

7. SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory. Lit2 COMMENT: These babies want to control you. Some will be gorgeous, but too cold blooded for me. Plus I don't like dating any sb.

These are my subjective responses. I'm sure there are different priorities of targets.

Interesting exercise.