Quit treating Sugar Baby Ho's like they're not Ho's
[QUOTE=AsiansBoy;3907894]She is GPS. She told me $$ I was laughing at that and say no thanks. She's good looking but her price is insane.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Elewis74;3906755]I talked to her about three months ago before my premium membership expired. She was getting ready to go home to Iowa. If I remember right, she wanted $$$ for a visit. I declined but she did grant me access to her private pics.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FastCars1966;3912923]See has agreed to meet, just not set a date yet. I'll toftt, if she is real I will go 3 to find out.
We will see. She has sent me a few pics and she if real; smoking hot.
FC.[/QUOTE]GPS. ,. , or not. Worth it. , , or not. UTR. ,. , or not. It doesn't matter. I had one of the chubbiest gals, bonafide pot belly without a cute face (I refuse to use the BBW term since they're just way out of shape) try to brag to me. ,. , to my face at a meet and greet. , , about some dude over 50 who gave her 1000 roses just to hang out and have dinner with him. She laughed and said that no sex or expectation of sex was involved; she was viewing the dude as a sad joke. Her attitude was appalling. I took another look at her and just left the cafe because I couldn't feign interest any longer.
Brethren. ,. ,. You have to quit treating Sugar Baby Ho's like they're not Ho's; they believe they're above the BP (may it rest in peace), CL, SkipTheGames or other Ho's because you allow them to believe that. They are all Ho's, regardless of the perceived low-volume. You can see how they become afflicted with GPS because some dudes are willing to give them an inflated rate they request, even if it's far above market range. If you are giving any of those gals 300-500 roses for their time, I'm not sure which team you're taking one for (perhaps the Yankees),. , and you may just be displaying a level of idiocy. "It's not trickin' if you got it", but you don't have to look far to see which blokes have more time and money than sense. Allowing those gals to think they're not Ho's has to stop. Every gal on those sites has accepted that she may have to suck a lot of frog dick to get to her Prince (or her Captain Save-a-Ho). They are all Ho's. ,. Plain and simple.
Stay safe,
Milfman.
Another Thought Process. Value.
[QUOTE=MilfMan865;3913380]GPS. ,. , or not. Worth it. , , or not. UTR. ,. , or not. It doesn't matter. I had one of the chubbiest gals, bonafide pot belly without a cute face (I refuse to use the BBW term since they're just way out of shape) try to brag to me. ,. , to my face at a meet and greet. , , about some dude over 50 who gave her 1000 roses just to hang out and have dinner with him. She laughed and said that no sex or expectation of sex was involved; she was viewing the dude as a sad joke. Her attitude was appalling. I took another look at her and just left the cafe because I couldn't feign interest any longer.
Brethren. ,. ,. You have to quit treating Sugar Baby Ho's like they're not Ho's; they believe they're above the BP (may it rest in peace), CL, SkipTheGames or other Ho's because you allow them to believe that. They are all Ho's, regardless of the perceived low-volume. You can see how they become afflicted with GPS because some dudes are willing to give them an inflated rate they request, even if it's far above market range. If you are giving any of those gals 300-500 roses for their time, I'm not sure which team you're taking one for (perhaps the Yankees),. , and you may just be displaying a level of idiocy. "It's not trickin' if you got it", but you don't have to look far to see which blokes have more time and money than sense. Allowing those gals to think they're not Ho's has to stop. Every gal on those sites has accepted that she may have to suck a lot of frog dick to get to her Prince (or her Captain Save-a-Ho). They are all Ho's. ,. Plain and simple.
Stay safe,
Milfman.[/QUOTE]
Milfman865, let me first say that I agree with the general premise of "do not overpay". I enjoyed your story (first paragraph) and have seen it many times in various scenarios. I've heard the line from SWs, BP / CL girls, strippers, reputable escorts, and even vehicle salesmen. They are all using techniques to maximize their income. They think that by tossing out that Mr. X paid $1000, you will be more likely to pay that (or at least more than you normally would want or expect to pay). More on this topic in a moment.
However, your second paragraph is useless in proving your point. In fact, it has dangerous consequences. I can agree that trading sexual favors for some form of currency makes them all a "ho" (street walkers, prostitutes on websites, sugar babies, call girls at exclusive agencies, casino girls, etc.). However, you don't treat all of them the same, or pay them the same. You infer that ladies on SA shouldn't be paid more than prostitutes that advertise on websites (like the sister site) because they are just hoes. With that logic, SabrinaKnox should be happy with $60-80 since you can get FS from a SW for that. The smaller menu offered by Whitney should only command $30-40. Now, we all know that's ridiculous.
So, the amount a monger is willing to pay is based on value to him. Value is affected by many factors. Incall / outcall, physical attributes, health / safety risks, their associates, location, skills, menu, kinks, timing, length of session, urgency, and many more. Not every monger weights each factor the same. So, one monger might see a lady post a rate of $200/ hr and book a session. Another monger may decide $200 is too high, but might partake at $150. I understand your aversion to negotiating with a lady over her stated rate. I often use the same approach. It's better to pass than risking a lady reducing her level of performance to your lower donation amount. I have, however, mentioned to some ladies that their stated rate was out of alignment with similar providers in the area (kudos to you for your USAAC monthly analysis). If a lady states a rate that is lower than my assessed value, I have the ability to provide a tip to increase her total income equal to my assessed value. Notice that my available funds amount does not enter into my value assessment. Meaning that if I think she is a Corvette and I only have Cobalt money, I either see a Cobalt or save my funds for when I can get the Corvette.
On [URL]seeking.com[/URL], there are many types of ladies looking for many things. With the demise of certain websites, there is an influx of CL / BP refugees on there. These ladies are merely using that platform to do business the way they have in the past. They will readily quote you an hourly rate. However, there are other types of ladies on there, as well. Some young ladies have bought into the SB hype and want to be paid for (essentially) nothing. Some want to sell pics / videos. There are ladies looking for FWB-type scenarios. Some ladies are looking to find one or two gentlemen to provide financial stress-relief or walking around money for impulse shopping. And occasionally, the true SB can be found looking for a single guy to handle all her funding needs in exchange for her tending to all of his needs (I. E. A kept woman). Plus, many others or variations of those mentioned.
You may get some clues about what type of lady you are dealing with from their posted info, but it's necessary to feel them out. It's also necessary to discuss the parameters of the arrangement. So, you'll need to assess the value of what you'll be getting in the interaction. However, you don't treat the MILF looking for an ongoing arrangement and her cell phone bill paid monthly the same way you treat a BP refugee.
I typically don't use [URL]seeking.com[/URL] as a source for one-time sessions, so my approach may differ from other mongers that use it in place of BP / CL, or to supplement USAAC. With many multi-year arrangements in my 10+ years in the sugar bowl, I've had good success on the site, but don't limit my prospects to just websites. I've maxed out at 6 arrangements at a time spread over multiple cities (due to my travels). Some quick math indicated that my total costs per private time hour averages under $50. It takes time and effort to accomplish this, but you don't have to be rich. However, I certainly didn't get there by treating all ladies as if they were high-volume ladies with set rates.
So, have I ever faced a lady who thought her "worth" was greater than the value I put on them? Yes. When they tell me about the "guy" who paid a ransom just to talk with her, I have two response options. If she is nice (but delusional) and I'd like to try something with her, I explain my proposition (including my value) and tell her to think about it. If she is not someone I'd want to see, I ask her why she is wasting time with me here instead of seeing the other guy?
Finally, the purpose of this site is to post about experiences with women in order to help other guys (details about ladies, info on approaches, warnings, risks, etc.). I have no problem trying to do that (contributing to the board since I have benefitted). However, I am not going to sabotage my own interactions with ladies to benefit you guys. If I want to pay a lady her asking price of $300/ hour because I valued the interaction at that level, I'm going to do it. Next time, I might only value it at $200 due to changing conditions. Don't whine about what others spend. Grow a set and handle your own business. Who you see and how much you pay is between you and the lady. I'm not upset about the lower rates some of you long-time customers pay with ladies.
Make your value decision based on knowledge, not ignorance. Educate yourself. Just because a lady has a price doesn't mean you have to see her at that rate. Supply, demand, and the various products (ladies) will set market norms.
This post was not an attempt to "flame" Milfman865". I have a ton of respect for him, his efforts in the game, and contributions to the board. I just thought it might be appropriate to provide an alternate thought process on this topic.
TrippinTB.
RE: Another Thought Process. Value.
[QUOTE=TrippinTB;3915742]
Make your value decision based on knowledge, not ignorance. Educate yourself. Just because a lady has a price doesn't mean you have to see her at that rate. Supply, demand, and the various products (ladies) will set market norms.
This post was not an attempt to "flame" Milfman865". I have a ton of respect for him, his efforts in the game, and contributions to the board. I just thought it might be appropriate to provide an alternate thought process on this topic.
TrippinTB.[/QUOTE]No ad hominem attacks found, we're all good brother. For clarity. ,. ,.the key point was the first paragraph, so the statement could have stopped there with completeness. What a Ho requests and what a monger negotiates (if he chooses to go that route) is a matter of personal choice and negotiating strategy. ,. , none of us should care what another chooses to spend or how he spends his money. No need to try to be in another man's pockets.
The second paragraph was purely tangential. ,. , haranguing only .,., not meant to prove a point or connected to the first paragraph. , , but more like color commentary to a theme developing on the board. When we lose sight that "They're all Ho's. ,. , plain and simple" we begin to use criteria like: she's pretty, smells nice, needs to pay tuition, only wants to share vids, just a body rub gal, she wants other things than basic Ho's, she's low-volume, she's not that type of Ho', has all of her teeth, or there's value (when distinguishing Ho's!?!?). ,. , to cloud our judgment when dealing with them. I've been guilty of it myself over the hears, especially with SA, but we adjust as we see the light. Regardless of euphemism or a dude's reasoning for treating her like she's a special Ho .,.,., Still "They're all Ho's .,., plain and simple". Otherwise, we get an influx of White Knights, Captain Save-a-Ho's, or habitual Fight Club violators. Monger confidently my brethren.
Press pay for play every day,.,.
Milfman.
Hypothetically vs Realistically
A Young man sought help from his dad on vocabulary homework and asked " dad, what the difference between hypothetically and realistically?
Dad said "I'll give you an example. Go ask your mom if she'd fuck a stranger for a million dollars. ".
Boy returned "She said yes".
Dad said "Now go ask your sister. ".
Boy returned, "She said yes, too".
Dad drew his son near and explained, "OK. Hypothetically- we are sitting on 2 million dollars. Realistically. We are living with a couple of Ho's ".
SkipTheGames Red Flags. Avoid The Scammers
After observing the ads on skipthegames, patterns have emerged for the fake ads. These are ads posted by scammers in order to fleece you of cash. The site itself even has warnings about these credit card verification scammers. For those of you that haven't refined your "scammer ad" radar, here is a listing of red flags. Just because an ad has one of these indicators, it doesn't mean the ad is a scam. However, if some of he flags are there, it's likely a waste of your time to contact them.
Ad Title: Use of explicit language (pussy, cock, fuck) and some use characters in the word to avoid searches (pussy). Include a phone number with area code from outside of this area.
Photos: Lady is extremely attractive (I. E. Higher quality than us usually seen in local providers). The photos appear to be staged (not selfies in a hotel room).
Race / Regionality: Doesn't match the pics. All options are listed.
Hair color: Doesn't match the pics.
Accepted payment methods: Includes payment methods other than cash (I. E. Visa / MC, Amex, PayPal).
Location: General (not Knoxville), like USA, TN, downtown, your place.
Weight: In kgs versus lbs. Scammers have caught onto this and can use lbs, but forget to convert the number (so it looks like 58 lbs). Doesn't match pics.
Bust / waist / hips: Doesn't match pics or numbers make no sense (33/11/12 in).
Breasts: Don't match pics.
Piercing: Doesn't match pics.
Tattoos: Doesn't match pics.
Ad text: Asks you to text them and provides an e-mail versus a phone number. The font is formatted like its a cut and paste (versus typed in).
Activities this service provider might enjoy: All options appear, including those that you usually never see (I. E. Anal, water sports). The list is inconsistent with what appears in the ad text (I. E. BBBJ in ad text, but not in list of activities).
Contact methods: Phone number from another area. Only e-mail provided.
Also, if you hit the "report ad" button, often you will see the ad originated in a city other than Knoxville (Aberdeen, SD or Johnson City, TN) indicating its likely a scammer posting in many markets.
Remember, an add with one of these flags does not guarantee it is a scam. However, as the number of flags increases, so does the probability that it's a scam. You choose whether you want to contact them.
Hope this posting has been informative and will help you avoid wasting your time.
TrippinTB
