The Rat Trap

It's already a proven fact that giving higher rates does not guarantee you a better experience. So why pay it? Why be the sucker?

I asked you to define "top shelf" and you give me examples, poor examples at that. Your examples don't mean anything to me. Truth is, there is no such thing as "top shelf. " That's an illusion, a false truth, you put in your head.

You both give up all your power to the pussy! You're exactly the type of guys they prey on. They know the pussy is your weakness so they exploit you and play you, like they have always done for years! The reason the rates are climbing is because you all entertain it, plain and simple.

Are you afraid that if you say no you won't get laid? If you're suggesting that "consumers alone doesn't set the price," then who does?

Answer this: Who works for who? Do you work for them or do they work for you?

Who has the money?

One last thing, "DRock" you should call yourself DPebble, you're way too soft for that name.

[QUOTE=DRock15;4682642]Fully agree with your statement. We are part of the equation. I also think part of the issue with the Orlando market is that we are relatively close to Miami. My opinion is that top shelf talent down there generally gets more money per hour and / or more clients per hour. I sometimes find it hard to get an appointment with some of my favorites down there at 200/ hr because they are so busy. If I were a top shelf provider, I probably would not frequent Orlando over Miami on a regular basis with all other things considered equal.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JayJayTwo;4682545]There's at least two problems with that school of thought. First, those on this board are not the only consumers out there. While it's hugely a guess, I suspect less than half of those that regularly engage in this hobby are members of this forum. If so, then more than half of the mongers aren't even involved in this conversation. Second, the consumer alone doesn't set the price. Much like we can (attempt) to band together, so too can the ladies. Hypothetically, if we tried to set the hhr rate at 100, they could refuse to see clients and say the hhr rate is 150. Then it becomes a game of chicken to see who blinks first. Sure, we can absolutely have an EFFECT on the price, but there are way too many factors involved for us to think we could actually SET the price.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DRock15;4682470]I would consider Valentina and her friends top shelf. Kylie also. Been a while since they've been to Orlando.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DRock15;4682642]Fully agree with your statement. We are part of the equation. I also think part of the issue with the Orlando market is that we are relatively close to Miami. My opinion is that top shelf talent down there generally gets more money per hour and / or more clients per hour. I sometimes find it hard to get an appointment with some of my favorites down there at 200/ hr because they are so busy. If I were a top shelf provider, I probably would not frequent Orlando over Miami on a regular basis with all other things considered equal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JayJayTwo;4682545]There's at least two problems with that school of thought. First, those on this board are not the only consumers out there. While it's hugely a guess, I suspect less than half of those that regularly engage in this hobby are members of this forum. If so, then more than half of the mongers aren't even involved in this conversation. Second, the consumer alone doesn't set the price. Much like we can (attempt) to band together, so too can the ladies. Hypothetically, if we tried to set the hhr rate at 100, they could refuse to see clients and say the hhr rate is 150. Then it becomes a game of chicken to see who blinks first. Sure, we can absolutely have an EFFECT on the price, but there are way too many factors involved for us to think we could actually SET the price.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DRock15;4682470]I would consider Valentina and her friends top shelf. Kylie also. Been a while since they've been to Orlando.[/QUOTE]We control the rates! There's is no mistaking it. They don't just go up for no reason. Whether it's guys tipping more and saying things like "you deserve it," or "you should/could charge more," or just plain saying yes to the highest offer, it all adds up! You two aren't the only ones doing it.

I would guess that the members in this forum probably provide the majority of business to these hoes in Orlando. If a third of us just stopped hobbying in Orlando, the girls would feel it and either drop rate quick, or leave town...either way we win! 😂

As for the "top shelf" girls...c'mon now. Those are poor examples. Go to South America and you will see real "top shelf" women! LOL Is "top shelf" even real? ROFL!! 🤣 🤣

I have spoken! Stay FRESH!! 💪

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4682807]I would argue that the members on this board are probably closer to the majority of business in this town. That's not counting the lurkers that aren't members yet. And as for your comment on price setting, you must've just started this hobby because it wasn't more than 2-3 yrs ago that hh rates were between 80-100, qv was 40-60, hr was 140-200 consistently!

But based on your logic, you're saying that if a good majority of us declines their ridiculous offers, that they will not budge? Doesn't make sense, but I'll go with it. So what would happen if we do nothing?[/QUOTE]I've no way to know about the percentage of mongers in Central Florida that are members of this site, though neither do you. As I stated in the earlier post, my GUESS of less than 50% was just that, a guess. Again, no way to prove it, but I doubt very seriously that "the majority" of mongers are on this site. You are incorrect on your guess as to me having "just started this hobby", I've been in the hobby for about a decade. The numbers I used in the first post were merely meant to be used as an example, they weren't meant to be hard and fast numbers, not for either side of the equation. Using your logic, I suppose the consumer would set the price on everything, so long as all consumers stuck together. Can we completely dictate the price of a doctor's visit? If we all band together, can we drop the price of a Tesla Model S to $40,000? Of course not, way too many factors involved. Which, of course, was the point of the initial post. Can we EFFECT prices? Absolutely. Can we DICTATE prices? Absolutely not.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4683418]It's already a proven fact that giving higher rates does not guarantee you a better experience. So why pay it? Why be the sucker?

I asked you to define "top shelf" and you give me examples, poor examples at that. Your examples don't mean anything to me. Truth is, there is no such thing as "top shelf. " That's an illusion, a false truth, you put in your head.

You both give up all your power to the pussy! You're exactly the type of guys they prey on. They know the pussy is your weakness so they exploit you and play you, like they have always done for years! The reason the rates are climbing is because you all entertain it, plain and simple.

Are you afraid that if you say no you won't get laid? If you're suggesting that "consumers alone doesn't set the price," then who does?

Answer this: Who works for who? Do you work for them or do they work for you?

Who has the money?

One last thing, "DRock" you should call yourself DPebble, you're way too soft for that name.[/QUOTE]I'm not entirely sure why you added me to this post, it seems like most of your rant is about DRock. As to that, I'm sure he can speak for himself on the topic. As to me, nowhere did I say that the providers dictate the price, I didn't say that because I don't believe that. Just like I don't believe that we dictate the price. Just like with any service, the provider of that service effects the ultimate price and so too does the receiver of that service. Collectively, BOTH sides set the price.

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Is it possible that since mongers are not freely sharing contact info of good providers with fellow mongers, supply is being limited, which in turn is helping drive prices up?

50% of the population controls 100% of the pussy.

Did you sleep through Econ 101?

You are kidding yourself if you think we have any say so in price that extends past the law of supply and demand. She controls the supply. We control the demand. And there is way more demand than supply.

Just sayin'.

C3.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;4683418]It's already a proven fact that giving higher rates does not guarantee you a better experience. So why pay it? Why be the sucker?

I asked you to define "top shelf" and you give me examples, poor examples at that. Your examples don't mean anything to me. Truth is, there is no such thing as "top shelf. " That's an illusion, a false truth, you put in your head.

You both give up all your power to the pussy! You're exactly the type of guys they prey on. They know the pussy is your weakness so they exploit you and play you, like they have always done for years! The reason the rates are climbing is because you all entertain it, plain and simple.

Are you afraid that if you say no you won't get laid? If you're suggesting that "consumers alone doesn't set the price," then who does?

Answer this: Who works for who? Do you work for them or do they work for you?

Who has the money?

One last thing, "DRock" you should call yourself DPebble, you're way too soft for that name.[/QUOTE]

I am always mystified how anyone gets their hand slapped on a fight thread.

C3.

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[QUOTE=Camera3;4685371]50% of the population controls 100% of the pussy.


You are kidding yourself if you think we have any say so in price that extends past the law of supply and demand. She controls the supply. We control the demand. And there is way more demand than supply.


C3.[/QUOTE]This.

For the guys who have spent time with a quality provider while she's off the clock can attest to how many calls / text she gets in a day and the sheer number of those inquiries she turns down. If you think that by not donating her rates will make her "starve" you are sadly mistaken and delusional. For everyone of the "make her starve" guys she has 10 or more who will gladly take your spot, pay her rates and have a fun time with her.

[QUOTE=JayJayTwo;4684602]I've no way to know about the percentage of mongers in Central Florida that are members of this site, though neither do you. As I stated in the earlier post, my GUESS of less than 50% was just that, a guess. Again, no way to prove it, but I doubt very seriously that "the majority" of mongers are on this site. You are incorrect on your guess as to me having "just started this hobby", I've been in the hobby for about a decade. The numbers I used in the first post were merely meant to be used as an example, they weren't meant to be hard and fast numbers, not for either side of the equation. Using your logic, I suppose the consumer would set the price on everything, so long as all consumers stuck together. Can we completely dictate the price of a doctor's visit? If we all band together, can we drop the price of a Tesla Model S to $40,000? Of course not, way too many factors involved. Which, of course, was the point of the initial post. Can we EFFECT prices? Absolutely. Can we DICTATE prices? Absolutely not.[/QUOTE]A decade? Wow! And you haven't learned anything? Either you refuse to agree or you just want to continue beating a dead horse. This will be my last response to this.

You compare a legal business to an "underground" business? You're comparing a legal profession (doctor) to an underground profession (escort). Let's go ahead and use your examples. If people aren't happy with a doctor's service or Tesla's cars, all they have to do is stop buying it, Right? And if enough people do that, what do you think will happen?

I'm sure you've heard of the term "shopping"? If you shop around for whatever product or service you want, you're going to shop for the "best bang for the buck" RIGHT? I know I do. Everyone "SHOPS" for the best deal. Do you think this can be applied to this hobby?

In this profession, these girls don't offer anything that you can't get for FREE. They offer pussy! That's it, just pussy! It's just pussy buddy. You're telling me that pussy is worth 100 qv? Or 250 hh? Is that what you're telling me? Tax free dollars I should add! Are you telling me you can't get pussy for free? Let me guess, you're going to come back with how hot a girl is and all that nonsense. If you're thinking this way, you're a loss cause, you cannot be helped.

A lot of these girls are making more than doctors and lawyers on an hourly basis (tax free)! I've never made $100 for 15-20 min of my time, let alone $80 hh. Have you? And in most cases when you arrive at their location, they're staying at some run down dump or cheap hotel and don't offer anything more when you get there! A lot of the times the service sucks! Seriously, do we need to continue this conversation?

The BIG problem is, you and all the others that want to pay ridiculous prices, put the pussy on a pedestal. You surrendered your manhood to the pussy and the girls that work in this business know it, so they WILL exploit you and all the others. Look at all the cash app scams and the guys that fall for it smh! Pussy IS NOT that important! Get that thru your (big) heads fellas. Some of you are acting like crackheads when it comes to pussy.

BTW, you shot your self in the foot with this comment, "Can we EFFECT prices? Absolutely. Can we DICTATE prices? Absolutely not. " You're making this too easy for me. LOL I'll let you chew on that for awhile.

SIN.

[QUOTE=Camera3;4685371]50% of the population controls 100% of the pussy.

Did you sleep through Econ 101?

You are kidding yourself if you think we have any say so in price that extends past the law of supply and demand. She controls the supply. We control the demand. And there is way more demand than supply.

Just sayin'.

C3.[/QUOTE]Absolutely correct, supply AND demand dictate the price. And, as suggested by C3, if the supply is low and the demand is high, the price goes up. Simple equation from good ol' Econ 101!

[QUOTE=JayJayTwo;4684602]I've no way to know about the percentage of mongers in Central Florida that are members of this site, though neither do you. As I stated in the earlier post, my GUESS of less than 50% was just that, a guess. Again, no way to prove it, but I doubt very seriously that "the majority" of mongers are on this site. You are incorrect on your guess as to me having "just started this hobby", I've been in the hobby for about a decade. The numbers I used in the first post were merely meant to be used as an example, they weren't meant to be hard and fast numbers, not for either side of the equation. Using your logic, I suppose the consumer would set the price on everything, so long as all consumers stuck together. Can we completely dictate the price of a doctor's visit? If we all band together, can we drop the price of a Tesla Model S to $40,000? Of course not, way too many factors involved. Which, of course, was the point of the initial post. Can we EFFECT prices? Absolutely. Can we DICTATE prices? Absolutely not.[/QUOTE]

How can you compare a doctor to a hoe? LOL Doctors spend years of education to learn a very technical field. Hoes lay on their backs and most of them have little to no education! So to answer your question....YES! We can dictate/effect the rates! Because we hold the money!

It's just pussy bro! It's something that can be had for nothing. Can't you get pussy without paying for it?

If anything, we would be helping these hoes out if we say no to their GPS! It would force them to go out and learn a skill to get a normal job and/or prevent them from relying on this line of work for their candy habit. It would also prevent pimps from having to live off these girls!

At the end of the day, when it's all said and done, it's just pussy! You bust your nut and leave! Why is it so hard for some of you to understand?

As Sin asked: "Who works for who? Do you work for them or do they work for you? Who has the money?

There's an old proverb that says: "He who holds the gold makes the rules. " A more modern version of that is: "He who holds the money makes the rules. ".

Here's a very good article that you all (that think we can't control rates) should read.

[URL]https://www.confirmit.com/Resources/Voice-of-the-Customer/The-Golden-Rule-He-Who-Holds-the-Gold-Makes-the-R/[/URL]

"This is definitely changing and we're seeing a new trend in the marketplace: the shift from B2B to B2B2C. Why? Because of one simple rule: the Golden Rule. No, not that Golden Rule. The other one. The one that reads: He who holds the gold makes the rules. Whoever has the money, has the power; in this case, it's your customers. Customers have the power. They talk to each other. They share experiences. They are much more informed than they've ever been, and they have higher expectations. ".

I hope this settles is "debate" because there is really nothing to debate.

Stay FRESH! 💪

I think you guys are arguing over the price of apples versus the price of oranges, and both sides are correct.

As someone mentioned earlier, you are not going to influence the prices for top-tier providers (the [I]apples[/I. Girls like Dahlia, Farrah and Avalon have turned down dates all the time, and do not negotiate on price because either they also have a civilian day job, or they just are not in dire need of money. They are the ones that those of us who can afford them don't mind paying their prices because there are few out there that compare to the experience they provide you. Of all the girls that are available to play, these are more rare, and so they can set their own prices.

On the other hand, you can definitely influence the prices of lower-tier providers (the oranges. These girls will never turn down a date, and will often negotiate price. This is either because they don't get that many calls, and / or this is their only source on income. Your experience with them on any given day may be hit or miss you get what you pay for. They are the ones who those of us who can't afford to spend a lot of money on the hobby flock to, and so they must often fight for your business by negotiating prices and / or services.

Just my 2 cents, for what that's worth.

[QUOTE=JJFresh;4687224]How can you compare a doctor to a hoe? LOL Doctors spend years of education to learn a very technical field. Hoes lay on their backs and most of them have little to no education! So to answer your question....YES! We can dictate/effect the rates! Because we hold the money!

It's just pussy bro! It's something that can be had for nothing. Can't you get pussy without paying for it?

If anything, we would be helping these hoes out if we say no to their GPS! It would force them to go out and learn a skill to get a normal job and/or prevent them from relying on this line of work for their candy habit. It would also prevent pimps from having to live off these girls!

At the end of the day, when it's all said and done, it's just pussy! You bust your nut and leave! Why is it so hard for some of you to understand?

As Sin asked: "Who works for who? Do you work for them or do they work for you? Who has the money?

There's an old proverb that says: "He who holds the gold makes the rules. " A more modern version of that is: "He who holds the money makes the rules. ".

Here's a very good article that you all (that think we can't control rates) should read.

[URL]https://www.confirmit.com/Resources/Voice-of-the-Customer/The-Golden-Rule-He-Who-Holds-the-Gold-Makes-the-R/[/URL]

"This is definitely changing and we're seeing a new trend in the marketplace: the shift from B2B to B2B2C. Why? Because of one simple rule: the Golden Rule. No, not that Golden Rule. The other one. The one that reads: He who holds the gold makes the rules. Whoever has the money, has the power; in this case, it's your customers. Customers have the power. They talk to each other. They share experiences. They are much more informed than they've ever been, and they have higher expectations. ".

I hope this settles is "debate" because there is really nothing to debate.

Stay FRESH! 💪[/QUOTE]Your belief that we, and we alone, set the price is incorrect. If that were true, why not set it at $10? Or maybe even $5? After all, if WE set the prices, then let's set it as low as we want, then cost would never prohibit us from indulging in the hobby. If you're correct, WE could do that. But let's be honest, you know that will never happen. Why? Because, as I've been saying all along, WE are only part of the equation, the providers are part of the equation too. Quoting from the article you cited, "Of course, customers are only half of the equation. Companies are the other half. " So thank you for that, your own article confirms exactly what I've been saying all along, BOTH sides of the equation factor into the ultimate decision on price.

Oh, and what's the point of the comment on "Can't you get pussy without paying for it?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why YOU'RE on this site? Because you (at least sometimes) pay for it?

I do agree with your last point though, there really should be nothing to debate on this simple issue of economics.

[QUOTE=JayJayTwo;4688634]Your belief that we, and we alone, set the price is incorrect. If that were true, why not set it at $10? Or maybe even $5? After all, if WE set the prices, then let's set it as low as we want, then cost would never prohibit us from indulging in the hobby. If you're correct, WE could do that. But let's be honest, you know that will never happen. Why? Because, as I've been saying all along, WE are only part of the equation, the providers are part of the equation too. Quoting from the article you cited, "Of course, customers are only half of the equation. Companies are the other half. " So thank you for that, your own article confirms exactly what I've been saying all along, BOTH sides of the equation factor into the ultimate decision on price.

Oh, and what's the point of the comment on "Can't you get pussy without paying for it?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why YOU'RE on this site? Because you (at least sometimes) pay for it?

I do agree with your last point though, there really should be nothing to debate on this simple issue of economics.[/QUOTE]Interesting that in that entire article, which clearly points out the power of the customer vs the business, you only acknowledge that one piece of sentence, but refuse to acknowledge the message. LOL And you have a way with twisting my words into things that I never said, like "we should set the price at $10"....?? I never said that. You're trying to battle with wits, and you're not very good at it. You have a very liberal nature about you. LOL.

As I have been saying for a long time, as well as others have said, IF WE ALL SAID NO THE RIDICULOUS RATES, IT WILL GO DOWN! That is all I have been saying. I challenge everyone to say NO to the GPS hoes for 30 days and see what happens!

And yes I pay for pussy sometimes. Duh! I don't deny that, BUT I don't put pussy on a pedestal and I don't always pay for it, but when I do, I don't give my business to the GPS hoes! And yes, I can get it for free!

Once last point, as pointed out in the article: "The bottom line is this: You can have all the OEMs and partners you want. You can satisfy their needs all you want. But if the product you manufacture doesn't add value, doesn't sell, or isn't something the end customer cares about, both you and your partners are going to go out of business. " "ECON 101" Smh

WHO WORKS FOR WHO? You still have not answered that question!

Stay FRESH 💪