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[QUOTE=ViciousCycle;1196929]Someone posted a warning add saying that Faith was HIV positive and he was just diagnosed with the virus himself along with herpes after partaking of her services without precautions.[/QUOTE]Having sex with a provide without a raincoat? What the hell was this guy thinking? Maybe he was trying to give himself the virus or maybe he already had it and thats why he was not using protection. Just saying.
Some really have way too much free time. I faith, have all the proper paper work. I am clean dd free. That will never change. With all "pros" there are "cons". I cannot please everyone, but those I do meet are alway in for a safe and fun time. Good day!
[QUOTE=Brants730; 1196787]Anyone seen tanya? I've tried calling a few times after seeing her BP postings, but she's yet to pick up nor return my voicemail msg-es. I've left simple "call me back" msg-es so it's not like I've said anything inappropriate to her. If anyone has experience with her, I'd appreciate how I could get in touch with her. Thanks in advance.
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/tanya-amazing-is-hereso-lets-be-amazing-together-reviewed-22/1504000[/url]
[/QUOTE]Unless you have seen her before you probably don't have much of a chance. Her "scheduler" has a long list of "approved clients" and since she is not in town everyday, it doesn't take long to fill up her bed, I mean schedule! The B / P ads are basically to let her clients know she is available, but keep trying you never know-VS
[QUOTE=SunnyGlance86;1196952]Some really have way too much free time. I faith, have all the proper paper work. I am clean dd free. That will never change. With all "pros" there are "cons". I cannot please everyone, but those I do meet are alway in for a safe and fun time. Good day![/QUOTE]Faith, you will have to forgive us for being wary and wanting to be fully informed consumers. No slight or disrespect was intended. Unfortunately we are living in the post-Tinaa age, so due diligence and caution are in order.
Gents,
So, here is my story: I saw an ad, and did my research. The advertiser had some less than stellar reviews, and numerous questions about authentic pics. The kind we all avoid, right? But I thought, what the hell, I would give it a try anyway. Maybe my experience would be different.
When I called she said she had a friend over; lured by the potential friend, I went. 60 for one. 100 for two. No promise of anything else. Turns out the friend was a recently unemployed 22 year old total amateur! Doing this as a short term solution to make some cash.
We all look for the PERFECT one, and I swear to god, this was it! Complete amateur on her first day! Could it get any better? She gave a rub / massage with a mixture of shyness and curiosity that was absolutely amazing. Towards the end, she gave a mind blowing finish with a genuine enthusiasm that had me contemplating leaving my wife of 20 years! I found my dream girl! Forget the girl in the ad, her friend was IT!
Here is the moral of the story, don't always take someone else's bad review and assume one size fits all. Go check it out for yourself. You might be surprised. Or, you might find the diamond in the rough, a complete amateur; and find yourself having the experience of a lifetime!
PS. Don't bother sending me messages, I will not give you her name! Go find your own dream girl!
Have fun, and be safe out there.
Jay
[QUOTE=Jay7005; 1197065]PS. Don't bother sending me messages, I will not give you her name! Go find your own dream girl!
Jay[/QUOTE]See I shared my great find of a sweet tasting low milage dream girl with every one see the escort review section.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?6022-Escort-Classified-Ads-Member-Discussions[/url]
Big T
[QUOTE=VerySlowly;1196982]Unless you have seen her before you probably don't have much of a chance. Her "scheduler" has a long list of "approved clients" and since she is not in town everyday, it doesn't take long to fill up her bed, I mean schedule! The B / P ads are basically to let her clients know she is available, but keep trying you never know-VS[/QUOTE]Know what's funny / ironically, seriously within MINUTES after submitting my posting and before it was even approved to be posted, I get a return call from her and actually got in an appt with her earlier this afternoon. Appreciate and thanks for your reply posting though. It wasn't all that I had expected. She's definitely hot with a great bod, but I had expected more. You have any experience with her?
Thanks again.
Unfortunately, my first report to the group is not a good one. Saw her recently. Easy enough to setup. Nice location. Started well in my dream with kissing, a little foreplay, went to CBJ, and I went. I asked for seconds, and she said it was going to be $.50 after I already paid $1. 40 for 1/2 hour. Not talkative, just no chemistry at all. She's definitely not into it, could tell she was just faking the enjoyment.
Sorry fellas, will keep trying. I noticed someone else in the group tried to schedule and was stood up be happy you were, money saved. Did I say that she had two people in the living room when I arrived? All girls, so I just let it go but that's when I should have walked out.
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This is not the Gia that has been reported on by others; this is the other one.
BI
[QUOTE=Bringit; 1197232]Unfortunately, my first report to the group is not a good one. Saw her recently. Easy enough to setup. Nice location. Started well in my dream with kissing, a little foreplay, went to CBJ, and I went. I asked for seconds, and she said it was going to be $.50 after I already paid $1. 40 for 1/2 hour. Not talkative, just no chemistry at all. She's definitely not into it, could tell she was just faking the enjoyment.
Sorry fellas, will keep trying. I noticed someone else in the group tried to schedule and was stood up be happy you were, money saved. Did I say that she had two people in the living room when I arrived? All girls, so I just let it go but that's when I should have walked out.
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This is not the Gia that has been reported on by others; this is the other one.
BI[/QUOTE]Obviously you are NEW! ! Gia's rate is 150hh, when you short a provider, you should get thrown out the door. The provider who's place she was staying, happens to be BEYOND trusted on this forum. What you should have done was your research.
Hey gentlemen, my name is Kali and I have been posting on backpage for a little while now! But sadly I have had only one review. I'm trying to get some more reviews so I can start saying I am well reviewed! I'm posting the link to my current page and I hope you take a look and give me call!
Kali
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/just-the-way-you-want-it-21/4648510[/url]
Well its been a while since I have posted or even been very active. My experience at the Budget Inn set me back a few months. I have avoided the streets and been taking my time at some of the coastal strip clubs and a few backpage girls. I had a friend arrange a meeting with Tanya and boy was I glad he did.
I have to say I was taken back by her at first. WOW is all I can say. I have learned that when they ask for a certain dollar amount, giving her a bit more right up front can really go along way. This can often backfire, but not in this case.
Very long GFE with two pop's, a skilled speaker of French, Russian and good old US of A ranch style CG. Worth the visit, take your time and be clean and respectful on the phone and during the visit. Treat her as good as you want to be treated and it will make for a very nice session.
Tanya! AMAZING is Here, SO Let's BE Amazing Together. Reviewed..22
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/tanya-amazing-is-hereso-lets-be-amazing-together-reviewed-22/1504000[/url]
Be Safe,
SW Surfer
[QUOTE=ViciousCycle;1196929]Someone posted a warning add saying that Faith was HIV positive and he was just diagnosed with the virus himself along with herpes after partaking of her services without precautions.[/QUOTE]There is always drama when they part ways LOL.
I doubt it's true
[QUOTE=SW Surfer; 1197614]Well its been a while since I have posted or even been very active. My experience at the Budget Inn set me back a few months. I have avoided the streets and been taking my time at some of the coastal strip clubs and a few backpage girls. I had a friend arrange a meeting with Tanya and boy was I glad he did.
I have to say I was taken back by her at first. WOW is all I can say. I have learned that when they ask for a certain dollar amount, giving her a bit more right up front can really go along way. This can often backfire, but not in this case.
Very long GFE with two pop's, a skilled speaker of French, Russian and good old US of A ranch style CG. Worth the visit, take your time and be clean and respectful on the phone and during the visit. Treat her as good as you want to be treated and it will make for a very nice session.
Tanya! AMAZING is Here, SO Let's BE Amazing Together. Reviewed. 22.
[url][url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/tanya-amazing-is-hereso-lets-be-amazing-together-reviewed-22/1504000[/url] Safe,
SW Surfer[/QUOTE]Your a lucky man surfer, nice rack!
[QUOTE=SW Surfer;1197614]Well its been a while since I have posted or even been very active. My experience at the Budget Inn set me back a few months. [/QUOTE]Glad to see you are back in the saddle. A post from a very experienced hobbyist about a safety issue was frightening to many of us.
How lucky that your entry back into this world is going well.
[QUOTE=Bringit; 1197232]Unfortunately, my first report to the group is not a good one. Saw her recently. Easy enough to setup. Nice location. Started well in my dream with kissing, a little foreplay, went to CBJ, and I went. I asked for seconds, and she said it was going to be $.50 after I already paid $1. 40 for 1/2 hour. Not talkative, just no chemistry at all. She's definitely not into it, could tell she was just faking the enjoyment.
Sorry fellas, will keep trying. I noticed someone else in the group tried to schedule and was stood up be happy you were, money saved. Did I say that she had two people in the living room when I arrived? All girls, so I just let it go but that's when I should have walked out.
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This is not the Gia that has been reported on by others; this is the other one.
BI[/QUOTE]You posted an ad on BP saying Gia has a PIMP? I think we all know that she is 100% independent. You are willing to ruin your credibility with any provider on the board. Over a bad appointment? Ladies, take note, I have talked to Gia about this guy. He came short on the donation, then after being pissed over a CBJ, asked for seconds, which I don't believe are on Gia's HH menu. I know Gia well, and work with her from time to time. I am FLAWLESSLY reviewed. And will not tolerate anyone hosting at my place being rude. She is perfectly within her own right allowed to make her own rates whether she allows one cup or multi's. Had you asked her beforehand, you most likely would have left then, no hard feelings. I also am an independent provider, who happens to be the person who's home you visited. I was unaware that Gia had anything scheduled when I invited another provider over for a glass of wine.
So. Before you go jumping to conclusions, you may want to go back and apologize first and foremost, to Gia, for shorting her on the requested donation, and the rest of the board for being a PUTZ! I believe as an established provider here in Orlando, I have earned the respect or lack there of on your part. Gia is a friend of mine. No chemistry, possibly, but an upsell with a pimp? No pimps here hun. Maybe you should stick to being a lurker, or learn to ask a provider questions about her services in a way that doesn't imply illegal activity.
Fella's feel free to let Mr. BringIt know who Jenna Divyne is, and how outlandish his accusations look!
Saw gia this morning she was very sweet young girl I was happy with her service and will repeat.
M-45
I am a man who love some black women so I decided to give Diamond a try. To my surprise she was a girl who I had seen before about two or three years ago from craigs and does she look sexy as ever. Her hair has changed she has locks now but her services are still great. She loves taking trips to Greece and will definitely make sure your satisfied before you leave. She is very nice and she does answer the phone her new phone number does have one other person who has used it but she does know the person who was using it.
BBBJ
150 an hr or 200 for the greece was worth it and I went over by 15 min and she didn't mind pm me for more details.
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/7575-75-specials-specials-incall-and-outcall-specials-all-night-100-me-100-25/4649892[/url]
I'm just providing my experience. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Gia. She is a sweet young girl, but it just wasn't a good experience for me. Certainly could be for others. Wrong chemistry does happen sometimes. I didn't short her, I clearly placed my donation where requested and told her verbally what I had available and asked what I could get for that amount. She made the rules, not me.
This board is about providing both good and bad experiences. I'm just here to call it like I perceived it. I'm not trying to damage anyone's reputation, but I do feel I owe it to others to post my experiences- good or bad. I can assure you that as an extremely busy business man, I don't have time for posting crap on BP because I could give two sh! Ts.
While I'm knew to the site, I'm not new to the sport.
Case closed, let's all move on. BI
[QUOTE=Mafia45; 1198008]Saw gia this morning she was very sweet young girl I was happy with her service and will repeat.
M-45[/QUOTE]I've seen Gia too and completely agree.
[QUOTE=Bringit; 1198491]I'm just providing my experience. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Gia. She is a sweet young girl, but it just wasn't a good experience for me. Certainly could be for others. Wrong chemistry does happen sometimes. I didn't short her, I clearly placed my donation where requested and told her verbally what I had available and asked what I could get for that amount. She made the rules, not me.
This board is about providing both good and bad experiences. I'm just here to call it like I perceived it. I'm not trying to damage anyone's reputation, but I do feel I owe it to others to post my experiences- good or bad. I can assure you that as an extremely busy business man, I don't have time for posting crap on BP because I could give two sh! Ts.
While I'm knew to the site, I'm not new to the sport.
Case closed, let's all move on. BI[/QUOTE]Why make someone leave late night and make your place suspect over $10. Doesn't mean that multi's are on the menu of a half-hour appt. Infact, most of us girls who do allow muti's (like myself) offer them with an appointment of an hour or more. What's funny is someone took what was in your post and used it to create a post on BP. Down to the number of girls that were present. I have an awesome list of BP contacts, so it didn't stay long. I'm not THE ONE. You weren't in any danger, had you RTFF. You would have known she had been hosting at my place. I would NEVER knowingly endanger anyone and I'm sure there are more than a few here on the board who would vouch for the fact that my place is SAFE.
Most already know that Lauren and I have been friends for MANY years, and although at times we don't agree with everything that the other does, or what-not. From time to time, Lauren will visit and bring a friend with her. No, they are NOT GFE providers. They didn't claim to be. So since you're not new to this, you know how to ask? 's to avoid disappointment. Otherwise, find a provider who doesn't have so many rules. LOL
[QUOTE=Jenna Divyne;1198703]...I'm sure there are more than a few here on the board who would vouch for the fact that my place is SAFE.[/QUOTE]Jenna's place is one of the most comfortable, no safety concerns at all, places I've been too. As a first time visitor not aware of where I'm at I might be concerned about a crowd but in this circumstance I like the fact that there are friends hanging around there. Makes it seem less like its all business. A more relaxed atmosphere.
[QUOTE=Overboard;1198788]Jenna's place is one of the most comfortable, no safety concerns at all, places I've been too. As a first time visitor not aware of where I'm at I might be concerned about a crowd but in this circumstance I like the fact that there are friends hanging around there. Makes it seem less like its all business. A more relaxed atmosphere.[/QUOTE]Jenna is a smart lady and is concerned for everyone's saftey (her friends, clients and herself). I have seen Jenna at several different locations over the last few years and have never felt uncomfortable. If Bringit had a problem Gia, I suggest he see Jenna if he wants better service (if she will still see him) , because Jenna definately brings it.
[QUOTE=Overboard;1198788]Jenna's place is one of the most comfortable, no safety concerns at all, places I've been too. As a first time visitor not aware of where I'm at I might be concerned about a crowd but in this circumstance I like the fact that there are friends hanging around there. Makes it seem less like its all business. A more relaxed atmosphere.[/QUOTE]You're so right.
M-45
Based on the rave reviews I made a date with Hot little Holly. As has been reported her body in person in better than her pics and her personality is pleasant. She is accomodating and smiled throughout. Everything is covered. I required some patience and she was a good sport and did what was needed to make me happy. I will repeat.
Alexis visited Cocoa last week, now in Orlando.
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEs...ine-18/4635623[/url]
New and very shy. Not full GFE, but well worth the time and effort to break her in right and see those eyes roll back and hear the whimpers.
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For those of you that are familiar with the crew that was in Altamonte involving Asia, her black pimp, and the girls she runs with that were setting hobbyists up for robberies, they have now moved to the area of 17-92 and Fairbanks, currently the Best Western I believe is the hotel they are using. For those of you who do not know, there pimp brags that he has been ripping off hobbyists and customers at gun point, and brags that he even robbed a latin king gang member at gun point to prove how brave he is. This crew and girls are bad bad news and should be avoided. They all just changed there names because they became so notorious for the rip offs. They include:
Melissa 407-921-6975.
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/i-want-a-mouth-full-25/4658149[/url]
Monica 321-200-7596.
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/1000-real-andgtandgt-sexxy-andltandlt-independent-fun-24/4650045[/url]
Bree 413-717-7474.
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/alisa-summer-kelly-brandy-bree-all-a-bunch-of-rip-off-artists-beware-35/4645100[/url]
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/the-best-day-of-the-week-18/4641989[/url]
Jessie 3212003740.
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/a-little-spice-alot-of-nice-so-come-on-20/4524665[/url]
There are a couple of more girls in this crew, under the pimp or pimps they are involved with. They are hard core bad news and are into robbing mongers at gun point.
PLEASE AVOID THEM AND BE SAFE
I kee seeing her ad on BP and want to know if anyone has any feedback. She looks hot but I noticed that the background is defintely not Fl.
I see this hot blonde in a blue dress. Just wondering if she is real.
[QUOTE=Bringit; 1198491]I'm just providing my experience. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Gia. She is a sweet young girl, but it just wasn't a good experience for me. Certainly could be for others. Wrong chemistry does happen sometimes. I didn't short her, I clearly placed my donation where requested and told her verbally what I had available and asked what I could get for that amount. She made the rules, not me.
This board is about providing both good and bad experiences. I'm just here to call it like I perceived it. I'm not trying to damage anyone's reputation, but I do feel I owe it to others to post my experiences- good or bad. I can assure you that as an extremely busy business man, I don't have time for posting crap on BP because I could give two sh! Ts.
While I'm knew to the site, I'm not new to the sport.
Case closed, let's all move on. BI[/QUOTE]I agree this site should be all about bringing our experiences together to share for all of our happiness. The good, bad and ugly.
[QUOTE=SW Surfer; 1197614]Well its been a while since I have posted or even been very active. My experience at the Budget Inn set me back a few months. I have avoided the streets and been taking my time at some of the coastal strip clubs and a few backpage girls. I had a friend arrange a meeting with Tanya and boy was I glad he did.
I have to say I was taken back by her at first. WOW is all I can say. I have learned that when they ask for a certain dollar amount, giving her a bit more right up front can really go along way. This can often backfire, but not in this case.
Very long GFE with two pop's, a skilled speaker of French, Russian and good old US of A ranch style CG. Worth the visit, take your time and be clean and respectful on the phone and during the visit. Treat her as good as you want to be treated and it will make for a very nice session.
Tanya! AMAZING is Here, SO Let's BE Amazing Together. Reviewed. 22.
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/tanya-amazing-is-hereso-lets-be-amazing-together-reviewed-22/1504000[/url]
Be Safe,
SW Surfer[/QUOTE]Is she real?
[QUOTE=Carlosa;1199422]Is she real?[/QUOTE]Very real. Not GFE, but accomodating. I have always found a great time.
[QUOTE=TruthSeaker; 1199159]For those of you that are familiar with the crew that was in Altamonte involving Asia, her black pimp, and the girls she runs with that were setting hobbyists up for robberies, they have now moved to the area of 17-92 and Fairbanks, currently the Best Western I believe is the hotel they are using. For those of you who do not know, there pimp brags that he has been ripping off hobbyists and customers at gun point, and brags that he even robbed a latin king gang member at gun point to prove how brave he is. This crew and girls are bad bad news and should be avoided. They all just changed there names because they became so notorious for the rip offs. They include:
Melissa 407-921-6975.
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/i-want-a-mouth-full-25/4658149[/url]
Monica 321-200-7596.
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/1000-real-andgtandgt-sexxy-andltandlt-independent-fun-24/4650045[/url]
Bree 413-717-7474.
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/alisa-summer-kelly-brandy-bree-all-a-bunch-of-rip-off-artists-beware-35/4645100[/url]
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/the-best-day-of-the-week-18/4641989[/url]
Jessie 3212003740.
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/a-little-spice-alot-of-nice-so-come-on-20/4524665[/url]
There are a couple of more girls in this crew, under the pimp or pimps they are involved with. They are hard core bad news and are into robbing mongers at gun point.
PLEASE AVOID THEM AND BE SAFE[/QUOTE]How do you tell when they are dangerous? I am once in a blue moon dreamer and want to make sure I don't step down the wrong rabbit hole.
[QUOTE=Scott Lee; 1199002]Alexis visited Cocoa last week, now in Orlando.
[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEs...ine-18/4635623[/url]
New and very shy. Not full GFE, but well worth the time and effort to break her in right and see those eyes roll back and hear the whimpers.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]131616[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]Link not working.
Has anyone checked out the latest round of 415 asians?
[QUOTE=OtownRob;1199559]How do you tell when they are dangerous? I am once in a blue moon dreamer and want to make sure I don't step down the wrong rabbit hole.[/QUOTE]There are no sure things to assuring safety but paying attention is a huge step.
In this case these girls are known trouble.
I called one of them and in the background I could hear her manager telling her to say anything to me to get me to go to her hotel and meet her as he was just going "to take me off", as in rob me. I told her I was not interested in dealing with her or her manager and that I was not coming and hung up. Seconds later her manager called me and stated straight out that I was lucky I was not coming and that he was just going to rob me at gun point and he doesn't give a f*ck, he robs people all the time and he bragged how he just robbed a Latin King gang member.
So here you have this idiot telling a monger straight out that he and his girls are setting guys up for gun point robberies and rip offs.
Now if this post does not help you in some way in avoiding this dangerous crew then nothing will.
Also there are many posts on here giving both positive and negative reports on providers. Do some research on the posts here, its a huge help.
But there are no guarantees.
Be Safe
[QUOTE=Jonnyspec;1199605]Link not working.[/QUOTE][url]Http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/let-me-be-your-medicine-18/4635623[/url]
[QUOTE=Carlosa;1199422]Is she real?[/QUOTE]Just wasn't as a great time for me like bice posted. Honestly I've only seen her just once, but was told she can be inconsistent. Though she's definitely hot enough for me to consider another visit.
Jenna is wonderful and brings no worries when it comes to making sure you are safe.
[QUOTE=Otwist;1198809]Jenna is a smart lady and is concerned for everyone's saftey (her friends, clients and herself). I have seen Jenna at several different locations over the last few years and have never felt uncomfortable. If Bringit had a problem Gia, I suggest he see Jenna if he wants better service (if she will still see him) , because Jenna definately brings it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OtownRob;1199559]How do you tell when they are dangerous? I am once in a blue moon dreamer and want to make sure I don't step down the wrong rabbit hole.[/QUOTE]Do your homework.
I understand that you gents find an ad that piques your interest, and research your resources for reviews, checking phone numbers and names etc. And even after coming up empty you decide to TOFTT. IMO thats when you put yourselves in a position that may go south very quickly.
Everyone is new at some point whether its the provider or the hobbyist, if your research doesn't produce the results you need to ease your mind, and you decide to go forward, always listen to your gut. If you arrive and things just don't feel right, they probably aren't.
Try to visit with reputable, well reviewed providers, and you won't ever have to worry about nonsense, drama, or dangerous situations.
Stay safe and happy hobbying!
Xoxo
[QUOTE=LaurenOrlando; 1199819]Do your homework.
I understand that you gents find an ad that piques your interest, and research your resources for reviews, checking phone numbers and names etc. And even after coming up empty you decide to TOFTT. IMO thats when you put yourselves in a position that may go south very quickly.
Everyone is new at some point whether its the provider or the hobbyist, if your research doesn't produce the results you need to ease your mind, and you decide to go forward, always listen to your gut. If you arrive and things just don't feel right, they probably aren't.
Try to visit with reputable, well reviewed providers, and you won't ever have to worry about nonsense, drama, or dangerous situations.
Stay safe and happy hobbying!
Xoxo[/QUOTE]Probably the most important thing you can do is to never, ever dream of someone when you are drunk, buzzed, or stoned. That's a recipe for disaster. Even if things are cool, the girl you see certainly won't appreciate it if you show up in that condition.