[QUOTE=SCJohn;5955895]My guess is he's talking about The Palms Day Spa at 1132 E katella ave.
[URL]https://ocmassageandspa.com/the-palms-day-spa-for-men-by-beautiful-asians-black-latinas-white-in-los-orange-county/[/URL][/QUOTE]My guess is Coconut.
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[QUOTE=SCJohn;5955895]My guess is he's talking about The Palms Day Spa at 1132 E katella ave.
[URL]https://ocmassageandspa.com/the-palms-day-spa-for-men-by-beautiful-asians-black-latinas-white-in-los-orange-county/[/URL][/QUOTE]My guess is Coconut.
My ATF is at a completely different location that's barely comparable to Coconut. But this one has become my go-to during her vacation.
It amazes me how much direct info is posted about a place, how much info I available with minimal searching, and how many guys still can't figure things out. Like they want us to take their hand and walk them in.
[QUOTE=BenderOver;5956092]I think you were spot on about the potential of this place, but since you've just stated that your ATF is on vacation, then at least we know that any of the girls I saw there weren't the subject of your awesome experience. As always I toftt so that we can have a gauge on how the others perform. It's a decent find and I thought it sucked that nobody responded to your posts to either affirm or contradict your review. Thanks for contributing and I hope you keep it up. I for one look forward to reading your reviews..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FeMaiden;5956094]My guess is Coconut.[/QUOTE]Happy is also on Warner.
[QUOTE=FrankReynolds;5955809]Been checking Nuru Seventeen since it's small and lowkey and not reviewed on RM lately. Same owners as Newport Nuru. Please note I've been going to their spots (BCC in Santa Ana and the old nuru stars) for a while now but just checked this spot out last week. A lot bigger than Newport, nicer than lake forest, cleaner than both.
Chanel. Used to be at LF 109, she's here now. Super gorgeous and athletic white babe with perfect fakes, super sensual and talkative and def a little crazy.
Hazel. Small Latina, not petite but short and pretty fit. Super sensual, lots of eye contact, great nuru.
Kat. Nuru_kat on insta is here once a week now, saw her for the first time and had a great experience. Thick Latina that's in great shape, I think extras on repeats from what I've read here but not sure.
Sage. Black babe all natural, pretty solid. Worth seeing once to see how you dig her.
Pinky. Super petite southeast Asian babe, domme qualities if you're into that but good at nuru if you're not. I like her a lot, to the point she's now my domme..[/QUOTE]Nuru_Seventeen is on IG and it clearly said to FS.
[QUOTE=JetStream2;5955941]I have met one or two girls who lived on their own in San Gabriel and drove down but it seems that many of the OC shops either vanpool down or have local safe houses. Its convenient for the girl to have a home, food, transportation, and job. But it also makes it hard to change jobs or do any freelancing. It also means following the house rules and doing what the boss wants.
If they come on a tourist visa, they are wildly overstaying it. They would probably have a hard time opening a bank account. They probably pay cash for whatever medical or dental care they need. And once they go back, its a one way trip. I believe US government will ban someone from reentry for 10 years if they overstay a visa.
So these "girls" leave their families, friends, kids, and husbands for an extended period of years. They probably miss the food and festivals of their homeland too. But we are essentially providing their money to buy a home and retire.[/QUOTE]Ding ding ding ding winner winner chicken dinner!!
[QUOTE=Slammer6008;5955636]Most massage parlors to that. They take the girls there pick them up an don't want them to have any kind of social life. They charge 500 a month for rent!! They come in on a tourism visa!![/QUOTE]Pps opened a business and bought rentals close by to house employees. The girls can work anywhere and free to return to China if they wish, but as long as they live in mms rentals, they must work at their shop. Like you said, six days a week, no social life and some mms strongly discouraged school and education. Not a good thing, but still not trafficking, doesn't sound illegal.
Found this place. It's off of 17th and the 5 freeway in Santa Ana.
Good body rub by mid 30's Asian gal.
[URL]https://nightfunpages.com/grand-opening-good-body-rub-new-girls-daily-40-30-mins/[/URL]
Not bad $40 per 30 minutes and $50 for tips.
[QUOTE=SCJohn;5955895][URL]https://ocmassageandspa.com/the-palms-day-spa-for-men-by-beautiful-asians-black-latinas-white-in-los-orange-county/[/URL][/QUOTE]Looks like they were open.
[QUOTE=Alowicious;5956121]My ATF is at a completely different location that's barely comparable to Coconut. But this one has become my go-to during her vacation.
It amazes me how much direct info is posted about a place, how much info I available with minimal searching, and how many guys still can't figure things out. Like they want us to take their hand and walk them in.[/QUOTE]To be completely honest, I think you can provide a bit more info about which place you're talking about. Your reviews are not the easiest to decipher and kind of a hassle to figure out. I get it but at the same time, Lowkey frustrating.
I am not new to this so can only imagine how lost a newbie would be LOL.
Stopped by royalty spa in Santa Ana, sign says 45 but was told that men only pay 40 for 1 hr. 1 girl took the money and led me to the room and then another one came in after. Believe I got lily, couldn't really understand due to her accent. Looked to be in her 40's, face was ok, small Cs maybe big Bs hard to tell with her shirt on, small ass and had a bit of a belly. Massage was too hard and had to tell her to ease up a little. Wasn't really my type but decided to see what was on the menu. Told me HJ only and mamasan would fire her if she found out anything else was happening here. Told her massage only and got the full hr. On my way out the same girl who took my money asked if every was good and told me to come back. Not sure if she was the mamasan and I didn't get her name but might go back to see if she provides massages too.
[QUOTE=AmpLoverOC;5955645]Try Spirals. Or hookers by Occ.[/QUOTE]Tried looking for this spot and couldn't find it. Saw you mentioned it was by 4th street, can you provide any additional info? Drove by and saw a smoke shop on 4th but didn't see any massage or spa place.
[QUOTE=RBFSyndrome;5956594]To be completely honest, I think you can provide a bit more info about which place you're talking about. Your reviews are not the easiest to decipher and kind of a hassle to figure out. I get it but at the same time, Lowkey frustrating.
I am not new to this so can only imagine how lost a newbie would be LOL.[/QUOTE]My ATF works at a place we all know, but I'm not going to say, because I want to keep her to myself. She is currently on vacation, which is why I've been trying new places. Just that info alone probably clues some of you in about who my ATF is.
This review was my third for the same place. The first one I said the actual name of the place. I did the same with the second. This time I decided to add a slight amount of humor by providing the scientific name, assuming anyone interested in checking them out could use both the forum search function for my previous posts, and the Google for my scientific nomenclature (tip: Wikipedia).
Truly and honestly not trying to be a dick, but plenty of others have figured this one out. It's not some secret place like the ones our troll keeps posting, it's listed on RubMaps.
I will very rarely give 100% of the info one needs to find a place I like, because while I like sharing, I also like keeping things a little to myself. The more guys who refuse to use the tools available to them to find these places, the fewer guys I have to wait in line behind. It's not being an asshole, it's me putting up a very mild traffic filter that isn't hard to figure out. Filters are low-key frustrating by nature.
At least I'm not a troll who keeps going on about mythical experiences with stories that don't add up at places we know don't provide them by providers who don't exist.
[QUOTE=Dijaju;5956647]Tried looking for this spot and couldn't find it. Saw you mentioned it was by 4th street, can you provide any additional info? Drove by and saw a smoke shop on 4th but didn't see any massage or spa place.[/QUOTE]Watch out for that. He likes to send us out on wild goose chases after legendary services by providers who don't exist at places that don't provide what he claims. At least he's stopped claiming there's Latinas at BW.
[QUOTE=SpicyCurry;5956369]Pps opened a business and bought rentals close by to house employees. The girls can work anywhere and free to return to China if they wish, but as long as they live in mms rentals, they must work at their shop. Like you said, six days a week, no social life and some mms strongly discouraged school and education. Not a good thing, but still not trafficking, doesn't sound illegal.[/QUOTE]Six days? Try 7 days.
[QUOTE=Grimmy23;5955498]We do know for a fact that the girls live in a house with Mindy and ride into work with her every day. They will tell the regular customers that much once they get to know you and you can strike up a little conversation with them. They pay room and board. I have no idea how much. I'm about 99% certain they are not trafficked. There are a lot of places around where the girls are trafficked, but there are no signs of that going on at Bamboo.[/QUOTE]I took a BW girl a few times out before the pandemic. She lived walking distance from BW because she could not drive. We did not see each other during the pandemic and then one day out of the blue she texts me that she managed to find a husband and was moving out of state. I actually felt good for her.
I think some of the girls live with or in Mindy's designated place and pay her rent, but all of them do not.
[QUOTE=SeekingSex;5957007]I think some of the girls live with or in Mindy's designated place and pay her rent, but all of them do not.[/QUOTE]Not sure about the 100% live with her, but I can say all of the MTs in BWood that I've been with (and that's most of them) say that Mindy is a really good person and a pleasure to work for. The towels are clean, the prices are very reasonable and the girls are happy. That usually predicts a good time for us. Treat the ladies well. Standard tip for 60 minutes and signature service is 40. If signature + maybe 50.
[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;5957054]Not sure about the 100% live with her, but I can say all of the MTs in BWood that I've been with (and that's most of them) say that Mindy is a really good person and a pleasure to work for. The towels are clean, the prices are very reasonable and the girls are happy. That usually predicts a good time for us. Treat the ladies well. Standard tip for 60 minutes and signature service is 40. If signature + maybe 50.[/QUOTE]A lot of places the girls stay for 30 days and bounce to another city or state. It's about supply and demand. Mongers like fresh meat, AMPs cater to that.
Looking for Legit Massage Only for 25 - 40 an hour. I don't want HJ, BJ, FS, etc.?
Where is a good spot for a legit massage?
[QUOTE=SeekingSex;5957007]I took a BW girl a few times out before the pandemic. She lived walking distance from BW because she could not drive. We did not see each other during the pandemic and then one day out of the blue she texts me that she managed to find a husband and was moving out of state. I actually felt good for her.
I think some of the girls live with or in Mindy's designated place and pay her rent, but all of them do not.[/QUOTE]You dated a crazy Asian girl. Must of been hell, I was married to one, not AMP worker LOL. Anyways. You guys got it all wrong, the girl pays $20 to $40 a day to work at these places. Ask them. So just pay better and don't expect too much imo. Seriously tho ya some are on work visas some aren't. Speaking of that Mindy's doesn't have the house.
[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;5957054]Not sure about the 100% live with her, but I can say all of the MTs in BWood that I've been with (and that's most of them) say that Mindy is a really good person and a pleasure to work for. The towels are clean, the prices are very reasonable and the girls are happy. That usually predicts a good time for us. Treat the ladies well. Standard tip for 60 minutes and signature service is 40. If signature + maybe 50.[/QUOTE]My brother, NG99, I've visited BW six times over the last 2 months, with a different provider each time. They are ALL now expecting, if not demanding, at least 60 for their standard script. I'll still stop at 40 there but only if I'm shorted time or just a bad experience. And to be honest, over the past several years of visiting BW, there's only been two times when I was truly dissatisfied. I really do want your numbers to be the customary remuneration but not any more. You guys who are more 'frequent flyers' than me? Maybe.
[QUOTE=MrPlumber;5957117]My brother, NG99, I've visited BW six times over the last 2 months, with a different provider each time. They are ALL now expecting, if not demanding, at least 60 for their standard script. I'll still stop at 40 there but only if I'm shorted time or just a bad experience. And to be honest, over the past several years of visiting BW, there's only been two times when I was truly dissatisfied. I really do want your numbers to be the customary remuneration but not any more. You guys who are more 'frequent flyers' than me? Maybe.[/QUOTE]Can confirm they are all demanding 60 tip. I go weekly and the last month it's changed they are bold and ask for it on the flip. I see Andy weekly. In the end it's a good deal but it's frustrating.
[QUOTE=Alowicious;5956948]Watch out for that. He likes to send us out on wild goose chases after legendary services by providers who don't exist at places that don't provide what he claims. At least he's stopped claiming there's Latinas at BW.[/QUOTE]Thanks, figured it might be after seeing some of his other posts. Should've check his previous post but I just happened to be in the area he mentioned so I did a quick pass. Saw nothing and left.
[QUOTE=BenderOver;5954758].Went there today and it was BUSY. I mean I must have casually nodded my head to no less than 3 other mongers at this joint in the lobby. Had to wait for a gal to finish and be available, and even then they weren't taking 60 minute sessions. Only 30 minutes. I didn't see anyone that the boards have mentioned, such as Jennifer, Lulu, Anne, Amy, etc. As a matter of fact, the girls available didn't even know those names, but that's no big surprise because it's happened at other service joints before. So today, there was only Tiffany and Emily. There was probably another girl available, but I didn't see her. A lot of mandarin being spoken in the hallway like they're calling audibles on who to see, but it was busy as fuck there. I ended up getting Emily and was pretty happy with her because she was slightly prettier and skinnier than Tiffany. But both, to Alow's credit, were pretty enough to rate as 7. 0 if not 7. 5.[/QUOTE]I was at Coconut on Monday, too. BTW, I'm not vague about it, because for me it's a back-up spa rather than a first-choice. I have an ATF who sometimes isn't working, and that's when I hit up other places. Previously, Lulu told me she works everyday (although that didn't sound credible), so I called for her, and the girl who answered said Lulu was off and I should go with Emily. Got there shortly after 1 pm and had a similar experience. When I walked in, I was met by an attractive girl who was unfamiliar to me, so I thought she was Emily. She took me to a room, gave me a quick smooch and I said, "So you're Emily. " She replied, "You called for Emily? And I confirmed. She smiled and left.
Bender, your description of her is spot-on, and I had a similar experience. And confirming for those who prefer a lush Bush, her jungle is thick enough to almost look like a wig. Not my thing, but no biggie. I also confirm about lots of loud talking by the girls in the hallway as well as the place not smelling a clean as it could. But maybe because it was close to lunch hour, they had been cooking?
After the deed, while still starkers, the other girl walks in the room, smiles and grabs my unit and says, "next time see me?" Emily smiled, too, and didn't seem to mind the intrusion, and maybe the other girl was suggesting a duo. Not sure, because neither of them have much of a command of the English language. Thought she said her name was Tina, but maybe it was Tiffany.
I took a quick peek inside her halter-top dress, and witness a nice boobie, so maybe next time I'm having a plan B day at Coconut, I'll try her out. That said, I think Lulu likely has them both beat in terms of looks and service.
Few new babes this week.
Hazel at nuru seventeen. Super sensual, lots of eye contact, fit but not petite Latina.
Kat at nuru seventeen. Nuru_Kat is here now. Had an incredible experience, she's bomb and sensual and worth it.
Sugar at Newport nuru. Gorgeous athletic Asian babe, all natural B's with a nice round butt. Not too much nuru or any extras. Great personality / experience but may not be everyone's cup of tea.
Sammi at LF 112 - Super thick fake Latina babe, short and a freak.
Loran at LF106 - Older European babe but a body to die for and really cares about your sesh.
[QUOTE=Slammer6008;5956973]Six days? Try 7 days.[/QUOTE]Most girls work six days. A few work 7 days but it's by choice. Mms even encourage them to take a day off for house cleaning, shopping, errands, relaxing and mental health. Make the 6 days of work more productive.
[QUOTE=MrPlumber;5957117]My brother, NG99, I've visited BW six times over the last 2 months, with a different provider each time. They are ALL now expecting, if not demanding, at least 60 for their standard script. I'll still stop at 40 there but only if I'm shorted time or just a bad experience. And to be honest, over the past several years of visiting BW, there's only been two times when I was truly dissatisfied. I really do want your numbers to be the customary remuneration but not any more. You guys who are more 'frequent flyers' than me? Maybe.[/QUOTE]Why worry about tipping 40 or 60 at Bamboo, when you tipped $60 to a girl at Palm Tree in an open foot massage room, and suggesting you would tip even more.
[QUOTE=Amilici69;5957260]Can confirm they are all demanding 60 tip. I go weekly and the last month it's changed they are bold and ask for it on the flip. I see Andy weekly. In the end it's a good deal but it's frustrating.[/QUOTE]I was with Anna and tipped her the usual $40. She held it in her hand and stared at it, silent, like she was about to say something. Then Mindy walked up to say something to me and Anna puts the money in the pocket and walked away. Her behavior was kind of odd. Now I know.
All due respect, they can't just demand a larger tip. I mean they can but we can also refuse.
[QUOTE=Slammer6008;5956973]Six days? Try 7 days.[/QUOTE]A setup like that with girls living in an apartment (or God forbid sleeping in the shop) vice and human trafficking unit will charge multiple felonies adding up to decades in prison. Compared to some ghetto rat who does a home invasion, who will get 9 months for using a gun and pistol whipping the dad, and shoving the up a teenagers ****. (Real case from California courts).
[QUOTE=Kevin80;5957636]I was with Anna and tipped her the usual $40. She held it in her hand and stared at it, silent, like she was about to say something. Then Mindy walked up to say something to me and Anna puts the money in the pocket and walked away. Her behavior was kind of odd. Now I know.
All due respect, they can't just demand a larger tip. I mean they can but we can also refuse.[/QUOTE]They're thinking covid shutdown in China and inflation, so demanding larger tip is justified. Well fuck, we ain't responsible for the China shutdown and inflation hurt us all. All the essential needs are up 25% to 200% , so I'm cutting back on my driving, dining out, type of groceries I buy and everything else including massage. If they demand larger tips for the same service, I'll just go elsewhere, like downstairs. They're not the only game in town.
Don't know why but LE was at Mindy's pad other day. Spotted on the corner of my eye. 2 unmarked cop cars were near by. I am Mindy's Mork. I told her to keep it low profile. This is about Bw / coconuts and Sh. Got back in my car and took off.
Sunny health looks bad now, went it got another Anna, gross and has some moles on her back. Wanted to give me a BBBJ I refused and got the other girl Grace. Nipple eraser titties gave ok HJ. Told me she's leaving due to the monkey pox scare. Mindy bamboo continues to have dirty towels and expects higher tips with shitty service. Too many dirty mongers give them less now thus the cutback on cleaning I guess. Went to check out the Chili spa everyone keeps raving about. It's located down the street from the Viet shops and c places. Not bad. Better than coconut in my opinion. Had this slender skinny Korean or Asian girl their accent is pretty the much the same and same questions after telling you to flip over with a rock hard cock. I told her to take off her clothes first then she agreed. She then rubs my ass and starts cleaning my balls in her mouth and slippery but wet tongue. She asked if I wanted my salad tossed. Of course I did! About 10 minutes of pleasure my cock was going to explode. I immediately bent her over and shoved my cock deep in her glistening and wet pussy. She was tighter than the 18 year old cheerleader at Ospas I met recently in Lake Forest off of The el pollo loco shopping center. Cum dripping and she still wanted more when I left. Gave her $160 plus the $40 house fee.
Looking for more la type body scrub places that suck cock in general.
Lots of them in la. Need to find one near OC. Thanks.
[QUOTE=AmpLoverOC;5957061]A lot of places the girls stay for 30 days and bounce to another city or state. It's about supply and demand. Mongers like fresh meat, AMPs cater to that.[/QUOTE]Mongers do like fresh meat, that's why the girls at Bamboo are starting to smell like rotten eggs, because they've been around too long. What are we talking about between Bamboo and SH, Anna Andie, Linda, Grace, Yoyo, Rose all in their forties and fifties, been around forever. Now demanding more tips. Yeah right.
[QUOTE=SpicyCurry;5957775]They're thinking covid shutdown in China and inflation, so demanding larger tip is justified. Well fuck, we ain't responsible for the China shutdown and inflation hurt us all. All the essential needs are up 25% to 200% , so I'm cutting back on my driving, dining out, type of groceries I buy and everything else including massage. If they demand larger tips for the same service, I'll just go elsewhere, like downstairs. They're not the only game in town.[/QUOTE]Agreed! Asking for a bigger tip because inflation is a joke. I understand gas stations, grocery stores and restaurants raising their prices. Their operating expenses from cost of materials are more so their prices are higher. That justifies an increase. Are we paying more in tips because their massage oil or wet wipes so much more that we need to give an additional 20 buck tip. It would be really nice if we could do t similar by going to our employers and asking for a higher wage or salary because of inflation causing our living expenses to go up. There is no justification for tip increases except greed. The attitudes these providers are showing demand letting them sit on their asses all day checking their phones or iPad because customers refuse to see them!
[QUOTE=TopGunToday;5957821]Don't know why but LE was at Mindy's pad other day. Spotted on the corner of my eye. 2 unmarked cop cars were near by. I am Mindy's Mork. I told her to keep it low profile. This is about Bw / coconuts and Sh. Got back in my car and took off.
Sunny health looks bad now, went it got another Anna, gross and has some moles on her back. Wanted to give me a BBBJ I refused and got the other girl Grace. Nipple eraser titties gave ok HJ. Told me she's leaving due to the monkey pox scare. Mindy bamboo continues to have dirty towels and expects higher tips with shitty service. Too many dirty mongers give them less now thus the cutback on cleaning I guess. Went to check out the Chili spa everyone keeps raving about. It's located down the street from the Viet shops and c places. Not bad. Better than coconut in my opinion. Had this slender skinny Korean or Asian girl their accent is pretty the much the same and same questions after telling you to flip over with a rock hard cock. I told her to take off her clothes first then she agreed. She then rubs my ass and starts cleaning my balls in her mouth and slippery but wet tongue. She asked if I wanted my salad tossed. Of course I did! About 10 minutes of pleasure my cock was going to explode. I immediately bent her over and shoved my cock deep in her glistening and wet pussy. She was tighter than the 18 year old cheerleader at Ospas I met recently in Lake Forest off of The el pollo loco shopping center. Cum dripping and she still wanted more when I left. Gave her $160 plus the $40 house fee.[/QUOTE]Big problem here is that O Spa is not in Lake Forest. This reads like fiction.
[QUOTE=TopGunToday;5957821]Don't know why but LE was at Mindy's pad other day. Spotted on the corner of my eye. 2 unmarked cop cars were near by. I am Mindy's Mork. I told her to keep it low profile. This is about Bw / coconuts and Sh. Got back in my car and took off.
Sunny health looks bad now, went it got another Anna, gross and has some moles on her back. Wanted to give me a BBBJ I refused and got the other girl Grace. Nipple eraser titties gave ok HJ. Told me she's leaving due to the monkey pox scare. Mindy bamboo continues to have dirty towels and expects higher tips with shitty service. Too many dirty mongers give them less now thus the cutback on cleaning I guess. Went to check out the Chili spa everyone keeps raving about. It's located down the street from the Viet shops and c places. Not bad. Better than coconut in my opinion. Had this slender skinny Korean or Asian girl their accent is pretty the much the same and same questions after telling you to flip over with a rock hard cock. I told her to take off her clothes first then she agreed. She then rubs my ass and starts cleaning my balls in her mouth and slippery but wet tongue. She asked if I wanted my salad tossed. Of course I did! About 10 minutes of pleasure my cock was going to explode. I immediately bent her over and shoved my cock deep in her glistening and wet pussy. She was tighter than the 18 year old cheerleader at Ospas I met recently in Lake Forest off of The el pollo loco shopping center. Cum dripping and she still wanted more when I left. Gave her $160 plus the $40 house fee.[/QUOTE]I am still looking for a body scrub with a good cock cleaning. I want to correct myself and the weirdo that follows me like the Old geezer they are these days. I did mean OSPA in Laguna Hills, lake forest has another hairy bushy old lady like Mary or Vicky, well Mary's been shaved lately so be it. I'm glad I got her workers new number.
[QUOTE=FrankReynolds;5957530]Few new babes this week.
Hazel at nuru seventeen. Super sensual, lots of eye contact, fit but not petite Latina.
Kat at nuru seventeen. Nuru_Kat is here now. Had an incredible experience, she's bomb and sensual and worth it.
Sugar at Newport nuru. Gorgeous athletic Asian babe, all natural B's with a nice round butt. Not too much nuru or any extras. Great personality / experience but may not be everyone's cup of tea.
Sammi at LF 112 - Super thick fake Latina babe, short and a freak.
Loran at LF106 - Older European babe but a body to die for and really cares about your sesh.[/QUOTE]LF 106 the one on El Toro and Muirlands in the medical building I assume.
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Man o man Chili's top queen has a nice rack today. I'm so glad I can cum here twice a week. No more Lucy types. Just young fresh ones here. And yes people AMPs can send you and angel once in while. Super busy shopping center, next to the OC Lau seafood shopping places. Walk of shame as you leave their place. But just put a mask on and they don't know who you are these days. LOL.
Met with Hailey at LF Nuru 109. She's an HYA, but not very service oriented, and not many extras. HE only. Damage. 6 to the house, $. 6 to her.
Would not repeat, would not recommend.
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