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I use one of the paid sites for getting personal info on sugarbabies based on a phone number. Peoplefinders. Lately, when I have put in numbers, I am often getting a page that says the number has been opted out.
I am wondering if anyone else has seen similar. Is it just that people are getting more cautious? Or is this just something dumb the site does instead of saying it can't find anything?
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7634010]I use one of the paid sites for getting personal info on sugarbabies based on a phone number. Peoplefinders. Lately, when I have put in numbers, I am often getting a page that says the number has been opted out.
I am wondering if anyone else has seen similar. Is it just that people are getting more cautious? Or is this just something dumb the site does instead of saying it can't find anything?[/QUOTE]I've mentioned this in the past about checking your own phone numbers and contacting the site to have your information removed if found. You have the right to have your info removed. Especially us folks living in CA that have more protections than other states. I use [URL]beenverified.com[/URL] mainly to check phone numbers to see if they're real first and vet a girl. I contacted as many reverse phone search sites as possible to have my numbers removed.
[QUOTE=Lexx1;7634471]I've mentioned this in the past about checking your own phone numbers and contacting the site to have your information removed if found. You have the right to have your info removed. Especially us folks living in CA that have more protections than other states. I use [URL]beenverified.com[/URL] mainly to check phone numbers to see if they're real first and vet a girl. I contacted as many reverse phone search sites as possible to have my numbers removed.[/QUOTE]Yeah, sure, for phone numbers that link to me personally.
But for contacting SBs, I use a burner number, and a Google Voice number for precisely this reason. I don't have to worry about it being used to out me. Now, as you use a burner number over time, it gets associated with your monger life, and that could be to your disadvantage sometime. I did a search on the number long ago, and came up w / some site that gave a username associated with the number as "sugardaaaddy". Not my preferred way to present myself, should a POT elect to search me that way. IDK what other info is associated with that number. I read that there are sites girls use to vet guys, but I've never been able to find / access them. Mr. Number?
I am reluctant to bag my number, because you never know when someone you were in contact from the site earlier decides they would like to explore things w / you again. This literally happened just yesterday. No contact for 18 months, and then I get a text - " do you want to meet? " basically a sugar booty call.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7634669]Yeah, sure, for phone numbers that link to me personally.
But for contacting SBs, I use a burner number, and a Google Voice number for precisely this reason. I don't have to worry about it being used to out me. Now, as you use a burner number over time, it gets associated with your monger life, and that could be to your disadvantage sometime. I did a search on the number long ago, and came up w / some site that gave a username associated with the number as "sugardaaaddy". Not my preferred way to present myself, should a POT elect to search me that way. IDK what other info is associated with that number. I read that there are sites girls use to vet guys, but I've never been able to find / access them. Mr. Number?
I am reluctant to bag my number, because you never know when someone you were in contact from the site earlier decides they would like to explore things w / you again. This literally happened just yesterday. No contact for 18 months, and then I get a text - " do you want to meet? " basically a sugar booty call.[/QUOTE]My "burner" is also a number I use for business. Then I have my personal number. I've had both for a very long time. Both I request to be removed from sites. Once requested they should never appear again on that site. It may be on another site still. So I periodically Google my numbers and search for any different reverse phone sites I may have missed to check on them.
I've heard of Mr number but can't confirm that's the exact site. A member on this site I believe mentioned a escort that showed him the site on her phone. Think it was one of the pro threads, Figueroa or Western. I contacted Mr Number when I heard about it. And just in case asked to have my numbers removed.
I like to keep the same burner number because sometimes I've had sugarbabies/nonpros from years ago hit me up again. One of my off/on sugarbabies I've known for 8 years. Started with her when she was 22 and now 30. Still looks hot and a freak in bed. So if I was constantly changing my burner. I may lose out on a returning sugarbaby/nonpro.
[QUOTE=Lexx1;7634471]I've mentioned this in the past about checking your own phone numbers and contacting the site to have your information removed if found. You have the right to have your info removed. Especially us folks living in CA that have more protections than other states. I use [URL]beenverified.com[/URL] mainly to check phone numbers to see if they're real first and vet a girl. I contacted as many reverse phone search sites as possible to have my numbers removed.[/QUOTE]What do you usually say in your email to them? I'm curious if the numbers show up only if someone first search for them first.
[QUOTE=FabricBuster;7634805]What do you usually say in your email to them? I'm curious if the numbers show up only if someone first search for them first.[/QUOTE]Each site is different in what they may ask to verify its your number and their process. But it's usually pretty simple with a verification code sent to your phone to confirm you're the owner. And no it doesn't show up just because someone searches for it. The information is already there just not easily viewable right away. Our phone numbers, emails, etc. Can be floating around on lists on the web. Sometimes it's from data breaches or from information publicly available (public records) such as government sites, home owner sites, etc. The only thing with reverse phone sites nowadays you pay for them to scour the web for the phone number, associated info and to be able to access it. So the information isn't easily accessible and free like it used to be back in the day.
And it kind of sucks.
All of the girls seem to want $800 or more and to add insult to injury, none of them are willing to get creampied. What is this madness?
I'm still freshly back at it so maybe my sample size isn't that large yet but I feel like the glory days of seeking are definitely behind it.
[QUOTE=SBlover;7635353]And it kind of sucks.
All of the girls seem to want $800 or more and to add insult to injury, none of them are willing to get creampied. What is this madness?
I'm still freshly back at it so maybe my sample size isn't that large yet but I feel like the glory days of seeking are definitely behind it.[/QUOTE]What have I been saying? You SA guys sure are gluttons for punishment for staying and returning to that site. Good luck with the larger sample size. You may want to look into Sugarbook as an alternative. It functions pretty close to what Seeking was when it was still Seeking Arrangement. It has the PPM, Allowances, Friends with benefits, etc bubbles on profiles and some I don't think I remember on SA like DTF. Monthly sub is close to SAs old price under a 100. Works better under desktop view than mobile view so better on a laptop than phone. Only thing that sucks is the site is slooooow and no real downloadble app.
After reading the last 18 months of posts here, I still have a few "rookie" questions before I dive into this.
Assuming I'm trying to find a reasonably priced non-pro, pay per meetup.
- If they don't ask for a M&G, do you all prefer doing M&G or a video call? If a M&G, I assume just drink or coffee, not a meal, right? (I read some girls just want a free meal).
- When is the best time to bring up the "payment", do you always wait for them to bring it up? How does one negotiate a lower rate, just ask them what they want and counter?
- how & when do you bring up when they will do in bed? (BB, CIM, BBBJ).
Thanks so much in advance!
Don't forget this exists.
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]
[QUOTE=Midlifecrisis9;7636393]After reading the last 18 months of posts here, I still have a few "rookie" questions before I dive into this.
Assuming I'm trying to find a reasonably priced non-pro, pay per meetup.
- If they don't ask for a M&G, do you all prefer doing M&G or a video call? If a M&G, I assume just drink or coffee, not a meal, right? (I read some girls just want a free meal).
- When is the best time to bring up the "payment", do you always wait for them to bring it up? How does one negotiate a lower rate, just ask them what they want and counter?
- how & when do you bring up when they will do in bed? (BB, CIM, BBBJ).
Thanks so much in advance![/QUOTE]If the SB doesn't require a M&G, I do always offer a video call, or at the very least, a phone call, so we can each verify the other. Most SB's have been fine with a video call and it's during that call when we usually chat about the items. A recent SB that I've now met with in person preferred a phone call over Facetime, but it was still a good conversation and we made plans to meet up the next day, she came over to my place.
[QUOTE=Midlifecrisis9;7636393]After reading the last 18 months of posts here, I still have a few "rookie" questions before I dive into this.
Assuming I'm trying to find a reasonably priced non-pro, pay per meetup.
- If they don't ask for a M&G, do you all prefer doing M&G or a video call? If a M&G, I assume just drink or coffee, not a meal, right? (I read some girls just want a free meal).
- When is the best time to bring up the "payment", do you always wait for them to bring it up? How does one negotiate a lower rate, just ask them what they want and counter?
- how & when do you bring up when they will do in bed? (BB, CIM, BBBJ).
Thanks so much in advance![/QUOTE]First you brought up the term non-pro which I preferred for many years instead of a full blown sugarbaby. I still do. And to clarify simply what a non-pro is. A starter casual sugarbaby. You made an arrangement with a non-pro just like a sugarbaby. But non-pros usually aren't found directly on sugar sites. Once they join a sugar site they are now sugarbabies. Non-pros were mainly found through the personals section through Craigslist. But the personals section doesn't exist anymore since 2018. Shutdown because of the FOSTA-SESTA bill. Now having cleared that up. Let's proceed.
As Grail mentioned if they don't press for a M&G. Then a video call is ok. I've rarely done M&G. If it's a simple M&G then ok. But some girls are looking for free dinners. I usually like to negotiate everything before actually meeting up. And the meet up is either getting straight to bed fun or sometimes car fun.
Payment is dynamic between you and her. And it ties to your third question. You need to clarify what you're looking for sexually. So there's no surprises when you get to bed. And you can make your offer based on what she's open to and her looks. Some girls may throw a number at you right away and it's usually high. Sometimes without even knowing what you want. That's not how it works. For me when they throw a number right away. It usually means they're experienced or taught by experienced sugarbabies and I usually try and stay away from those. I prefer fresh sugarbabies. It's up to you if you want to continue with that experienced baby and negotiate.
Back to your initial offer. She may accept or not. If there's certain things she won't do. It's up to you if you want to compromise. Or maybe offer a little more to see if she will. Some girls will keep saying no. No matter how much you offer. Then you can try lowering your offer if she's not open to certain things. But be careful here because you may lose her. One thing I can compromise on is CIP. It's not a deal breaker for me. But it does have to be bare, no rubbers. Same for head, bare. All bare. CIP is probably the touchiest request. But you can't force or expect every girl to do it. If you're a hard ass on that request. Then you can just pass. That's why I like a girl to be able to do CIM at the very least. If I can't CIP then I can CIM. And alot of girls offer that and some swallow. Not all on the CIM but alot as an alternate choice. And then there are girls that are open to anal and some that love it. Then you have another alternate for CIP, CIA which most girls will do if open to anal. Because it won't get them pregnant. The point for me being if I'm paying for it. I want to be able to cum inside you somewhere. If I wasn't directly paying for it. Like with a civie girl then you don't know what's going to happen in bed. She may or may not be open to certain things you like. And vice versa. You compromise more there or you get lucky and she's a freak in bed. So negotiations are a shifting dynamic.
Thanks alot, I actually went through that in detail after making my post. Wow so much to read! But I learned a lot.
Here's my summary of the "answers" to my questions, based on all that reading, and the other comments Lexx and Grail left. (thank you very much both of you).
Meet and Greet. Either video call or quick in person meeting (coffee / drink) is ok. Worse case, phone call. Preferably no meals.
Agreeing on payment. Some people like to figure it out ahead of time, some people delay discussion as long as possible; it's also best to know their limits sexually.
When to find out what they will do sexually. At the same time payment amount is agreed upon (if that discussion happens at all).
All right. It's probably time to dive into this soon, as you can only learn so much from forums. Now the question remains, SDM or Seeking. Hmmm I'll check them both out.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7636586]Don't forget this exists.
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lexx1;7635370]What have I been saying? You SA guys sure are gluttons for punishment for staying and returning to that site. Good luck with the larger sample size. You may want to look into Sugarbook as an alternative. It functions pretty close to what Seeking was when it was still Seeking Arrangement. It has the PPM, Allowances, Friends with benefits, etc bubbles on profiles and some I don't think I remember on SA like DTF. Monthly sub is close to SAs old price under a 100. Works better under desktop view than mobile view so better on a laptop than phone. Only thing that sucks is the site is slooooow and no real downloadble app.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, I'm intrigued to explore Sugarbook, although SDM is still a mostly winning site for me. Thanks for the heads up!
[QUOTE=Grail47;7637317]Hmmm, I'm intrigued to explore Sugarbook, although SDM is still a mostly winning site for me. Thanks for the heads up![/QUOTE]SDM for me too man. I gave Sugarbook a try. Got a couple girls but took time. They have a weekly sub available but monthly is a better value. Site was just to slow for me at the end so I didn't re-sub. But worth a quick look.