Streetwalker Reports

[QUOTE=Spoonful;2694912]Below is an interesting article that talks about the business in Birmingham in the 70's and 80's and LEs attempts to shut down the SWs and massage parlors. This apparently was when the northern part of downtown had quite a bit of SW activity.

[URL]http://www.birminghamraw.com/?p=2130[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, when I started mongering, downtown was THE place to go to find girls. In my time it was around the post office area by the Granada Motel and Grammas' Bar where the mini park is now. There also was a lot of activity around the Tourway Inn & the Town Motel. Nowadays you can ride down 4th & 5th Avenue's North and by the Tourway for hours and not see a single girl. It's bittersweet for me how times have changed. I have no interest in answering CL or BP ads. I prefer window shopping, as to answering an ad for a model and getting Mama June, or pork and donut city.

[QUOTE=ClarkKent;2694937]Yes, when I started mongering, downtown was THE place to go to find girls. In my time it was around the post office area by the Granada Motel and Grammas' Bar where the mini park is now. There also was a lot of activity around the Tourway Inn & the Town Motel. Nowadays you can ride down 4th & 5th Avenue's North and by the Tourway for hours and not see a single girl. It's bittersweet for me how times have changed. I have no interest in answering CL or BP ads. I prefer window shopping, as to answering an ad for a model and getting Mama June, or pork and donut city.[/QUOTE]I know you started back in the very early 90's, which is before 99 percent of people had access to the internet and all the information that it has. How did you know where to look back then?

I know it wasn't exactly the stone ages but it had to be tougher to get information back then about where to go. I imagine TV reports and the newspapers helped identify some streets and areas but they don't tell nearly everything. Did you just have to ride around the city to discover all of the possible hotspots?

I can imagine if I went back in time 25 or 30 years when I didn't have the internet, it would have taken me a long time and a whole lot of time spent riding around all over the city to find the right spots on my own.

"How did you know where to look back then?

I went to the poorer districts, bars, poolhalls, etc. If I wanted an upgrade I'd smooze with the Convenience store clerks, some of which needed more money for the rent.

In any case I'd give most anything a chance or two, even the fats / uglys. As they were a good source of friendly girls also looking for supplemental income.

Although $10 - $20 would get what I needed there were those who'd accept $5.
I carried blankets and bug spray for car dates.
It was actually much easier then.

It wasn't as hard as it might seem. Nowadays, the internet has gotten people comfortable in finding everything with just a few key taps, and that's all well and good. But before the internet, there was mainly word of mouth. In the case of mongering, and the local SW scene, I grew up hearing jokes in grammar school about how you could go down to 4th Avenue and find prostitutes. Everybody knew 4th & 5th Avenues downtown were where hookers hung out. So when I got of age and got curious, that's where I went. Back then, you could go to 4th & 5th Avenues and find no less than 3 to 5 girls walking at all times, all hours of the night. The place to go was the block around where the Granada Hotel and Grammas' Bar were. This was the square block around 4th & 5th Avenues North between 24th & 23rd Streets. The Granada Hotel is now where the First Light is, and that's where lots of the SW stayed and hung out at the door. Grammas' Bar was where the mini park across from the post office is now. Imagine the Tide & Tiger bar being pulled up and sat on that corner. That's what Grammas' looked like. Girls also hung out around Grammas and could run inside if it got 'hot' outside. There was also a three story low class run down motel on the corner of 5th Avenue & 23rd Street, that's now a parking lot where the drive thru bank thing is. You also had the projects, I think they were called Metropolitan Gardens back then, which were around where old Phillips High and the baseball field is. There was also a little store on the corner of 6th & 23rd Street where girls hung out. The building is still there, but I think the store's long been closed. You could also find girls sitting out on the front steps of this brown church across from the YMCA, as back then they used to have a shelter in their basement. Grammas' Bar burned in 92 or 93 or so, and the Granada followed soon after that. So that did away with a lot of the dives the girls could go into if it got hot. But with the projects still there, the girls could still be found. About 10-15 years ago, they tore down the projects and replaced them with some higher class condominiums, which made most of the riff raff move away, and since then the 4th & 5th Avenue area has been almost completely dead. Now if you find any girls out there, it's girls that's staying at the First Light or Jessie's Place sitting in the mini park, and even then you're not guaranteed they're working.

Once I made myself familiar with that area, I learned of other areas nearby. The areas back then which were hot were the Tourway Inn down by 65, which is still there, and the Town Motel over on 3rd Avenue West, which is also still there. You used to be able to ride through both of those, as they once had entrances and exits which allowed cars to circle through. You still can the Tourway to an extent, and the Town with a degree of difficulty. But back then the Town had both sides open, and the Tourway had the far side open so you didn't have to ride by the office twice. You also were guaranteed to see girls pop out the door as you passed. They've since closed off those easy access and get out points, and made it so I don't go inside ones like that anymore. Plus back then the cops didn't seem to notice or care when people rode through the motels like they do nowadays. The Tourway has been dead for years, as I haven't seen a girl hang out there in probably 15 or more years. The Town is basically the same. So anyway, finding all that out that ventured me out toward the west side, and got me accustomed to where the girl were out in those areas. Then one day just out of the blue I noticed riding there were girls over in the Woodlawn area, basically the same area where all the motels are. The difference back then were, the girls were more out and open, and not holed up in the motels. To find dates, they HAD to get out, and get out they did. You could find them everywhere, down side roads and anywhere you tried looking. I always had lots of luck down Georgia Road, but it's been dead for years as most girls, if they're out, have moved to the main 1st Avenue route. But back then, I found out just by knowing where to go, and once there, I found out other areas by dating the girls and hearing from them where they hang out.

I started mongering I guess in the late 80's. On a summer Friday night you could ride through there and it was than anyone can imagine. I have had 10 girls dash to my car at once begging to be the choice. I have seen as many as 20-25 girls working in that 2-3 block area. This is the thing also. Topnotch choices available. Young beautiful not drugged out put up wet hoes like most of this stuff today if you happen to luck upon one walking. Everyone has that one sexual memory that they think back on that was their best ever. Mine was there. A liteskin probably 19 year old goddess. There has never been a cowgirl in any rodeo that could ride like that. All I remember is that face and those features--halle berry would have been envious. Don't remember name but she said she was from out of town just there visiting and needed some help. 25 years later I still ride through there and think of her.

Anything around? Working in the area this week, nada seen on cruising.

This is my comment about Bessemer in the 'Where to Find SW' thread.

The Budget Motel on the west side of Bessemer heading toward Birmingham is quite active there as well as the lots around the BP and Shell on 28th Street up the road. Also, side roads in Bessemer are always areas to look. If you're familiar with Bessemer, the areas around Snitz Snider Stadium at 4th Avenue and 9th Street, all the way back to Eastern Valley Road and all the areas in between are all places to look. Also look around Dartmouth Avenue on the eastern side of 150- there's some projects up the road that shows promise. You might want to watch out for Bessemer police, though, as they were out in force early morning the last time I passed through there. Heading back toward Birmingham on Bessemer Super Highway, there's two motels called the Hiway Host and the Ace Motel around the Lipscomb and Brighton areas to keep an eye on. Those two motels have been fairly active of late, though I'd watch the area as cops tend to hide where you can't see them until you're right upon them.

These are just overall places to look, and places where SW have been in the past. Problem is, Bessemer has been dead for a while. The only places I'd really recommend to look are the areas around Snitz Snider Stadium in old Bessemer, and the Ace Motel down in Brighton. But you can look any of the places I've mentioned, as since girls used to frequent those areas, you never know when one might pop up.

I have lived in or near Bessemer for over 45 yrs. I have picked them up everywhere you mention with the exception of the Budget Motel. I have pulled in numerous times and have never seen a single SW.

They do walk the gas stations and side streets that you mention but must be ghosts at that motel. It 100% looks the part but never had any luck there.

The Ace and around Snitz Stadium are the best bets.

The motel6, Knights inn and Quality across from Crackerbarrel are the newest hot spots. Security will try and hassel you at the Quality but no worries.

I have had luck down 4th ave, Bessemer Super Hwy and Hall Ave around the tracks.

Happy hunting.

RobAnders, for a while, I was having a lot of luck in the neighborhoods around 28th Street where the BP & Shell are, on both sides of the Super Highway. But in the last year or so, I've not seen anything at all when I ride through there. And over by Snitz Snider, it used to be that you'd see girls in all directions over there, but lately there's just one girl that I always see, and she's been out there forever. She stays on the street by the now closed pharmacy over the tracks.

I think the motels you mentioned are down around where Walmart is. I seldom venture down that far when mongering. I might have to look. Whenever I mention girls around motels, I'm never speaking of actually riding through them, just seeing them outside. If I don't see activity outside, I ride on. A lot of the motels around Birmingham have made it so you have to take the same route in and out, and cops are known to watch the entrances and if you go in and out too quick, they tend to stop those that do. It's not worth it to me to ride through them to take that chance. Many years ago, I was waiting on a SW friend I knew while she carried on her business at a motel in Bessemer, and I'd been waiting quite a while so I left to use the phone to see what was taking her. As I left where I had been waiting, a couple of Bessemer's unfinest followed me and harassed me when I got out to use the phone. They basically told me to head back to the interstate, get on it, and don't come back, and followed me until I did so. I had done nothing except wait for someone, of which they knew nothing of why. So because of that, I've always tried to keep away from going in motels and so forth unless I'm actually going in a room for a decent amount of time, no matter what area of town I'm in.

Where is Hall Avenue?

I rode around 1st Avenue yesterday morning for around an hour and saw a couple of SW, one white and one black, within a couple of blocks of the Bama Motel. The black one disappeared after about 15 minutes, but the white girl was walking up and down the block for a good hour. Didn't see anything else around the Woodlawn/East Lake area, and didn't venture anywhere else around town.

I honestly wish when people would talk about money in forums on here, such as when they mean fifty dollars, they'd post it as '$50'. Why post it as 0.50.$0 or whatever? One hundred dollars is '$100', it's not $.$.1.0. Someone recently posted they saw a girl somewhere and she was great and only cost $4, so to me that's four dollars. Damn that is a good deal. That even beat my all-time best of $5, LOL. Regardless, whatever the codes are supposed to be, not everyone knows that they mean, and those that want to try to fit in post money amounts the way they think it means, and end up being more confusing. I don't understand or see the need for all the monetary code. It's not like the cops can't figure out what everything means in the first place.

[QUOTE=ClarkKent;2717815]I rode around 1st Avenue yesterday morning for around an hour and saw a couple of SW, one white and one black, within a couple of blocks of the Bama Motel. The black one disappeared after about 15 minutes, but the white girl was walking up and down the block for a good hour. Didn't see anything else around the Woodlawn/East Lake area, and didn't venture anywhere else around town.

I honestly wish when people would talk about money in forums on here, such as when they mean fifty dollars, they'd post it as '$50'. Why post it as 0.50.$0 or whatever? One hundred dollars is '$100', it's not $.$.1.0. Someone recently posted they saw a girl somewhere and she was great and only cost $4, so to me that's four dollars. Damn that is a good deal. That even beat my all-time best of $5, LOL. Regardless, whatever the codes are supposed to be, not everyone knows that they mean, and those that want to try to fit in post money amounts the way they think it means, and end up being more confusing. I don't understand or see the need for all the monetary code. It's not like the cops can't figure out what everything means in the first place.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. Telling the correct amount of money you paid isn't going to get you arrested. Its just unnecessarily confusing. Makes me as mad when people do this and post asking / reviewing a girl but don't post a number or permanent link. BP links expire.

[QUOTE=ImaDoIt;2717895]I agree 100%. Telling the correct amount of money you paid isn't going to get you arrested. Its just unnecessarily confusing. Makes me as mad when people do this and post asking / reviewing a girl but don't post a number or permanent link. BP links expire.[/QUOTE]I believe some people don't post links to reviews because they think that they're keeping the girl to themselves. They think posting a review will get them forum cred even if it does or says nothing to help anybody if others can't research who they're speaking of. Same as when someone describes SW they see and don't say where or when they saw them, yet ask if others know who they are based on a hair color or race.

Another thing that has always irritated me on here, is the people that want to say they dreamed this or that. Like saying you did the things discussed on here is going to make you at risk of being arrested. Even if they could prove who someone is on here, what you type out on here is no more admissible in court than a person's random opinion. It's hearsay. Even if I said yes, I have picked up many girls in my time, and have engaged in paying for prostitution. For most minor crimes, cops have to be witnesses to it for it to be something you could be charged with. Even if they caught you with a known prostitute in your car, unless you're both engaging in the act, they can't do anything about it because there's nothing illegal in having another person in the car with you. There's even some in other cities that are so scared of picking girls up, they claim they'll ask a girl for her ID to make sure she's of legal age. If they're so scared of being stopped in the first place, then mongering for SW isn't what they should be doing. Anything I ever describe on here, you can guarantee it 100% happened to me and it was me it happened to. And I was wide awake when it did. Arresting someone for prostitution is one of the most ridiculous crimes anyone could ever be charged with. It's basically giving a woman straight cash for sex, instead of taking them out to dinner, a movie, or whatever and then later having sex. All that taking place would be fine and legal, which is also hypocritical in itself. What's also funny is it's ok to answer online dating ads and meet up and have sex for free, yet if money is exchanged then that makes it a crime. It's just asinine. Anyway, for those that want to dream, dream the date, fuck them wide awake, LOL.

[QUOTE=ClarkKent;2718097]I believe some people don't post links to reviews because they think that they're keeping the girl to themselves. They think posting a review will get them forum cred even if it does or says nothing to help anybody if others can't research who they're speaking of. Same as when someone describes SW they see and don't say where or when they saw them, yet ask if others know who they are based on a hair color or race.

Another thing that has always irritated me on here, is the people that want to say they dreamed this or that. Like saying you did the things discussed on here is going to make you at risk of being arrested. Even if they could prove who someone is on here, what you type out on here is no more admissible in court than a person's random opinion. It's hearsay. Even if I said yes, I have picked up many girls in my time, and have engaged in paying for prostitution. For most minor crimes, cops have to be witnesses to it for it to be something you could be charged with. Even if they caught you with a known prostitute in your car, unless you're both engaging in the act, they can't do anything about it because there's nothing illegal in having another person in the car with you. There's even some in other cities that are so scared of picking girls up, they claim they'll ask a girl for her ID to make sure she's of legal age. If they're so scared of being stopped in the first place, then mongering for SW isn't what they should be doing. Anything I ever described e on here, you can guarantee it 100% happened to me and it was me it happened to. And I was wide awake when it did. Arresting someone for prostitution is one of the most ridiculous crimes anyone could ever be charged with. It's basically giving a woman straight cash for sex, instead of taking them out to dinner, a movie, or whatever and then later having sex. All that taking place would be fine and legal, which is also hypocritical in itself. What's also funny is it's ok to answer online dating ads and meet up and have sex for free, yet if money is exchanged then that makes it a crime. It's just asinine. Anyway, for those that want to dream, dream the date, fuck them wide awake, LOL.[/QUOTE]Very good report.

Here's an article about somebody getting abducted in Avondale. Surprise, surprise. It's like putting a park in the middle of an alligator swamp and telling everyone it's safe, and the mindless ones who drink the Kool-Aid believing it. It's crazy how free the people walk around over there, like they have no idea a block down there's drugs and whatever else hell has been there. I passed through there the other day and saw they'd put one of those Zyp bike stations out in front of the Chevron there. I have no idea how those work, but it wouldn't surprise me for them to come by there one day to service them and find them all gone, and they'll look clueless like how could that happen. Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't change the fact that it's still a pig.

[URL]http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/12/woman_abducted_in_avondale_pol.html[/URL]

Exactly. I was reading all the comments related to that article, and no one says that type of truth, or if they did it would be deleted because we can't say those type things. One person said they go to Avondale and eat and so forth and have no fear because they expect the police presence to protect them. Since when does the 'police presence' stop crime from happening? Another said they've lived in the area for years and haven't had or seen anything bad happen. I was thinking well then you're just not looking hard enough, or haven't been outside at night. I've rode Avondale for years as well, and can name a violent crime or murder that has happened on every block surrounding those new shops. I also know for a fact that there's drug areas not even a block away, not to mention a huge housing project not a half mile away. Putting all those targets out there is only asking to be robbed, or for the clientele to be attacked, and it's only a matter of time that it's going to happen. Someone also said in comments that you can't live your life running from things that might happen. No, but you can sure prevent an accident by not stopping in the middle of oncoming traffic. It's like the younger generation chooses to be blind to what is, and thinks that if they display this kumbaya attitude that nothing will happen to them. Like I said before, over in Woodlawn, they plopped these garden homes down on the direct block behind where all the motels are. And you just know there's going to be some mid twenties clueless white couple come moving in there and think it's all safe or think cause they emit flowers and rainbows when they sweat that it'll be ok, and they'll decide to walk their dog in the middle of the night, and end up the next Carol Robinson story on [URL]al.com[/URL].