Rants, Raves, and Stupid Tinfoil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Bullshit

[QUOTE=Hanger42;3502899]More focus by the news. GeeZ did you know that some of the massage folks couldn't speak English. The Massage Board is behind some of this based upon past posts. The system is rigged against those that are trying. I am sure there is some truth to human trafficking. But I haven't seen it in my limited visits and interaction with providers.

Get really tired of making trump fake news.

[URL]http://www.wral.com/police-regulators-try-to-keep-up-with-illicit-massage-parlors/16868809/[/URL][/QUOTE]The system might be biased but it isn't rigged. The police, the massage board and the politicians are are lined up against the unlicensed AMPs owners and unlicensed massage workers. Human trafficking is real but its also a convenient label to paint a horrific mental image to the public and jurors for guilty verdicts and its simply not true in most AMP situations. The massage board is heavily scrutinizing licenses from NYC and they should if there is evidence of test compromise or if people are paying for a fake certificate without any real training. The same scrutiny is done for any other career field requiring a certified license for employment. Requiring a liscence is basically another form of taxation and control by the government for revenue and public safety. I wish there was a distinction between a medical massage therapy license and a relaxing massage certification which would help the AMPs.

[QUOTE=Hanger42;3502899]More focus by the news. GeeZ did you know that some of the massage folks couldn't speak English. The Massage Board is behind some of this based upon past posts. The system is rigged against those that are trying. I am sure there is some truth to human trafficking. But I haven't seen it in my limited visits and interaction with providers.

Get really tired of making trump fake news.

[URL]http://www.wral.com/police-regulators-try-to-keep-up-with-illicit-massage-parlors/16868809/[/URL][/QUOTE]Whenever I go to the McDonald's drive thru I can't understand anything they say because their English is terrible but God forbid someone giving me a massage has trouble with English and I am sure that double Quarter pounder is going to kill me long before getting a HE.

[QUOTE=Tee98;3503123]Whenever I go to the McDonald's drive thru I can't understand anything they say because their English is terrible but God forbid someone giving me a massage has trouble with English and I am sure that double Quarter pounder is going to kill me long before getting a HE.[/QUOTE]T98 & P45 both raise valid points, how much training / license do you really need to give a half ass or even a good masssge (HE is desert) And to P45's point there are some with license that my Pit Bull Sadie could speak better English, how did they get that license? LOL. Now the lady bribing LE just stupid, cut your loses and leave lady! The human trafficking thing is bullshit. I agree there are some owners shaking down some girls but they are free to leave. The point mentioned about is this a HEALTH or PAMPER service. Are beautician's and Barbers Vetted like these Asian ladies? A lot of Vietnamese manicurist out there. Hell I've been nicked more times gettin a hair cut than I've been hurt in a Parlor. The vetting process mentioned in this news article is 2 things that I've mentioned in previous post (that I personally have experience with when my girl friend went through the process) 1. The Interview, very intimidating for the girl, I've had easier interviews in my corporate career. 2. TOEFL Test, google it! The massage board will require the girl to take this test with a required passing score, and the required score is higher than some universities require unbelievable. This is not an easy test for you or I to take so yes this is extreme vetting. I understand the human trafficking concern and the concern to protect the public health. But the real problem is the Board, the Governor and Public Opinion is lumping girls that want to earn a living and prostitution all into one group. Why? Because if she's Asian and does Massage she's definitely touching dicks. And anyone that knows the "blue ball feeling" know what I mean and they all are not touching dicks. Just look at the headline on the news story it says a lot. It's already set the tone. So the girls that actually go through the massage boards process of going to school etc. The odds are already stacked against them because of the automatic vetting process to follow BECAUSE they are Asian and this my fellow friends IS DESCRIMINATION but nobody in Raleigh gives a shit about that little fact. So now the Raleigh Suits help create an underground system. License from another source, AAMP's and the girls that were planning to go through the formal system just say fuck it we will play by the rules that makes the cash. The Governor The Massage Board and The Monkey Lawyer are all within arms reach in Raleigh and instead of having understanding and helping people that were not born here they back hand b*tch slap them. Mayberry indeed.

Ok I'm sorry but the system is rigged how is it that a landscaper who owns a business can take the pesticide course and take the test so he has the license and all his illegal immigrants who can't speak a bit of English can now work under his umbrella of a license. How can a electrician or plumber have a license and all their apprenticeship workers can work under his umbrella of a license. My neighbor's who owns multiple nail salons and lives in a half million dollar home never have any trouble even though they don't speak a lick of English. I watched my SO work her ass off studying and going to a massage school in N.Y. then take and pass that 2000 plus question test only to get turned down by the NC massage board because they claimed her English wasn't good enough. Her English is ok she can carry on a conversation. I would like someone to tell me who is being human trafficked if they had someone they would be parading them out there in front of the camera's. The 2 girls from Touch of Asia after the bust stayed in my house and believe me they were not being trafficked. What is their problem with cars that have N.Y. . Plates all the girls that I know who have their own cars tell me they register them at the DMV in Flushing because the DMV workers speak Chinese and it's makes the process easier well that makes sense to me. This is just a dog and pony show because there is a lot of federal money out there to be had if you just say the magic words human trafficking. This is just a money game with everyone jumping on board from the NC massage schools who want $14,000 for their classes compared to $4,000 in N.Y. to the massage board who are made up of people who own chain massage stores who paid big bucks for their franchise's and can't compete with the little old Asian massage places. It also amazes me that there were 5 arrested in the Touch of Asia bust 2 men and 3 women now we all know of the 2 girls working there and they always list on the news the 2 men but it's very interesting that the other women arrested she is the owner but they never mentioned her most likely because it doesn't fit the talking points that a woman is trafficking other women. This women is one of the nicest people you will ever meet and really takes care of her employees. She doesn't deserve what they are doing to her.

[QUOTE=Tee98;3503289]Ok I'm sorry but the system is rigged how is it that a landscaper who owns a business can take the pesticide course and take the test so he has the license and all his illegal immigrants who can't speak a bit of English can now work under his umbrella of a license. How can a electrician or plumber have a license and all their apprenticeship workers can work under his umbrella of a license. My neighbor's who owns multiple nail salons and lives in a half million dollar home never have any trouble even though they don't speak a lick of English. I watched my SO work her ass off studying and going to a massage school in N.Y. then take and pass that 2000 plus question test only to get turned down by the NC massage board because they claimed her English wasn't good enough. Her English is ok she can carry on a conversation. I would like someone to tell me who is being human trafficked if they had someone they would be parading them out there in front of the camera's. The 2 girls from Touch of Asia after the bust stayed in my house and believe me they were not being trafficked. What is their problem with cars that have N.Y. . Plates all the girls that I know who have their own cars tell me they register them at the DMV in Flushing because the DMV workers speak Chinese and it's makes the process easier well that makes sense to me. This is just a dog and pony show because there is a lot of federal money out there to be had if you just say the magic words human trafficking. This is just a money game with everyone jumping on board from the NC massage schools who want $14,000 for their classes compared to $4,000 in N.Y. to the massage board who are made up of people who own chain massage stores who paid big bucks for their franchise's and can't compete with the little old Asian massage places. It also amazes me that there were 5 arrested in the Touch of Asia bust 2 men and 3 women now we all know of the 2 girls working there and they always list on the news the 2 men but it's very interesting that the other women arrested she is the owner but they never mentioned her most likely because it doesn't fit the talking points that a woman is trafficking other women. This women is one of the nicest people you will ever meet and really takes care of her employees. She doesn't deserve what they are doing to her.[/QUOTE]Hell, I'm a electrical contractor and there are just as many unlicensed contractors in every trade in NC as there are "AMPs". Trucks all day long on the road saying "Handy Man" we do pressure washing, build decks, electrical, plumbing, HVAC, One call does it all" Go to any new construction sight and ask who can speak English? Must be human trafficking also right? So these people can build our houses, apartments or high rise buildings without licensing but can't give a good massage? The reason we have licensing in NC for trades is to protect the public's health, comfort, and welfare. What's the reason for the message board for, so that I can understand in English I came in to get a massage and if it's to hard I can say stop or ease up a bit? I call BULLSHIT!

[QUOTE=Tee98;3503289]Ok I'm sorry but the system is rigged how is it that a landscaper who owns a business can take the pesticide course and take the test so he has the license and all his illegal immigrants who can't speak a bit of English can now work under his umbrella of a license. How can a electrician or plumber have a license and all their apprenticeship workers can work under his umbrella of a license. My neighbor's who owns multiple nail salons and lives in a half million dollar home never have any trouble even though they don't speak a lick of English. I watched my SO work her ass off studying and going to a massage school in N.Y. then take and pass that 2000 plus question test only to get turned down by the NC massage board because they claimed her English wasn't good enough. Her English is ok she can carry on a conversation. I would like someone to tell me who is being human trafficked if they had someone they would be parading them out there in front of the camera's. The 2 girls from Touch of Asia after the bust stayed in my house and believe me they were not being trafficked. What is their problem with cars that have N.Y. . Plates all the girls that I know who have their own cars tell me they register them at the DMV in Flushing because the DMV workers speak Chinese and it's makes the process easier well that makes sense to me. This is just a dog and pony show because there is a lot of federal money out there to be had if you just say the magic words human trafficking. This is just a money game with everyone jumping on board from the NC massage schools who want $14,000 for their classes compared to $4,000 in N.Y. to the massage board who are made up of people who own chain massage stores who paid big bucks for their franchise's and can't compete with the little old Asian massage places. It also amazes me that there were 5 arrested in the Touch of Asia bust 2 men and 3 women now we all know of the 2 girls working there and they always list on the news the 2 men but it's very interesting that the other women arrested she is the owner but they never mentioned her most likely because it doesn't fit the talking points that a woman is trafficking other women. This women is one of the nicest people you will ever meet and really takes care of her employees. She doesn't deserve what they are doing to her.[/QUOTE]Pretty much what my last few post were preaching, It's about who's running the cities, how conservative or liberal the business laws are. These liberal laws or lack of is why I made the Raleigh / Miami / Charlotte comparison. A city can have streamed lined laws or they can cherry pick who they allow or not allow to operate, is that free enterprise? This is America right not fucking Russia? This whole thing is supposedly about controlling prostitution, human trafficking and operating without a massage license. The Massage Board may be out of their jurisdiction on the first two. So is NC the only state that cares about these issues? Why are other states so easy to get a massage license don't they care about their citizens? What's wrong with their Governor and law makers? Why do they care so much for their local economy are they crazy? Raleigh and Miami have the same population but obviously they are worlds apart on many fronts but the main difference is the laws that allow business's to operate that was my main point earlier and is relevant to what the Massage Board is doing. They are micro managing and targeting Asian businesses. Hey if they shut down all the Asian parlors in this area I'm fine I'm covered with plenty of Asian free pussy (maybe a dinner and using my shampoo) Pssst backpage / AAMP. But what the board is doing is discriminatory and bad for business. The land lords loose money which they throw back into the economy where you and I shop and work. The Asians loose money that they spend at CVS, Walmart, Apple, Grocery Stores, the Mall, electric companies, phone service, water service, plumbing service the list goes on and on and on. And the folks that work at these companies are American too that have kids to feed and bills to pay that throw money back into the economy. Who knows some Massage Board members probably own CVS, Walmart, Starbucks or Apple stock (ALL American Business's) See how we are all connected you fools at The Board. They are not sending all their cash back to China they have to eat in a room with lights and wear clothes too. Nothing worse than having an idiot in charge convinced they are right.

[QUOTE=Binkster;3499539]I am a bit confused by this. They eat (groceries, restaurants) They drive cars (gas / maintenance). I have seen one of my favorites at a local mall (She was alone and we laughed and talked for a bit). The women don't go into stasis pods until needed, so I am a bit confused by the whole local economy thing. Sure they save up and go to "New York" from time to time. I just want to get a good back rub from someone I know with great endings.[/QUOTE]It's tough to know how much anyone in a cash based job spends in their local economy. Anecdotally many immigrants don't really put a lot back into the local economy. They tend to be heavy savers and when they shop they tend to buy from people like them. I've met many foreigners working here who won't buy a car, go to a restaurant owned by. Anyone not like them.

The above said, many do eventually put a good chunk of money back by making big purchases such as homes. However, even that can have a chilling effect on the local economy because they are often willing to overpay or at least have more in cash to put down. Take a look at some areas that are heavily populated with Indian who work in IT. Many live in very nice homes and they often put down 20+% because they save like crazy. Odd thing is when you look at stores and shops near there home it's rarely as booming as areas where the majority of residents are white, black and so forth.

[QUOTE=FordDiesel250;3503534]Hell, I'm a electrical contractor and there are just as many unlicensed contractors in every trade in NC as there are "AMPs". Trucks all day long on the road saying "Handy Man" we do pressure washing, build decks, electrical, plumbing, HVAC, One call does it all" Go to any new construction sight and ask who can speak English? Must be human trafficking also right? So these people can build our houses, apartments or high rise buildings without licensing but can't give a good massage? The reason we have licensing in NC for trades is to protect the public's health, comfort, and welfare. What's the reason for the message board for, so that I can understand in English I came in to get a massage and if it's to hard I can say stop or ease up a bit? I call BULLSHIT![/QUOTE]I call bullshit too. I think one of the differences is that with construction no matter how many people are on the site it's usually a white guy at the top doing well for himself. Given how bureaucratic the permitting process can be that guy over a career has probably made some connections in a way the average massage owner has not. I bet my bottom dollar that if chiropractors started hiring non-English speaking Asian women to give massages we wouldn't hear a word about human trafficking or how bad it was to give a massage without a license.

There's a really good book called I think race and economics that talks about how licenses are often just a way to exclude people from the workforce. My guess is that massage envy and similar places don't like the asian places.

[QUOTE=MistressZodiac;3458838]To me clients are cherished. I treat y'all with respect when it is given. If I have a smart mouth it is because I'm not a dumb ass. It is better be considered something rather then nothing. I had no intentions of joining this hobby to have more problems and drama in my life. I joined because I wanted to have fun and make bank doing it.

For those of you, the small few, that don't like my weight gain, I don't like urs either. But then again in not paying you for your looks am I? I understand your concerns but over the past two years some of you have done nothing but tear down women daily. I am a provider out of choice not habits or demons. Tense the weight gain. Why'all say I'm too skinny, have eyes of a dopehead, am a danger to society, and am a delequent. Here are the facts, NONE of you have ever seen me inebriated beyond recognition, NONE of you have seen me at my lowest or at my apex. NONE of you have ever been in harms way while in my company. NONE of you have ever been robbed or marked up by me or my smart mouth.

Now for those of you saying I'm over worked. Here is a news flash, we are not guaranteed tomorrow so I make the most of every day my feet hit the floor. I AM INDEPENDENT therefore do not compare me to females that are not cut from the same cloth..[/QUOTE]This is why we love you Scorpio, you are honest and real and cool as hell! I love your taste in music and everything about you. Come on back to Raleigh soon! Big Love, Stephen Simpson, your pal on Twitter.

But I think part of the point was.

Think how DANGEROUS it is to have an improperly trained Electrician doing electrical work on a home.

Vastly more dangerous than your unlicensed GF givng you a back massage.

If this was really about concern for the public. They would be after the folks making the Fire Fighters do overtime not the ladies working out a few muscles.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3505022]I call bullshit too. I think one of the differences is that with construction no matter how many people are on the site it's usually a white guy at the top doing well for himself. Given how bureaucratic the permitting process can be that guy over a career has probably made some connections in a way the average massage owner has not. I bet my bottom dollar that if chiropractors started hiring non-English speaking Asian women to give massages we wouldn't hear a word about human trafficking or how bad it was to give a massage without a license.

There's a really good book called I think race and economics that talks about how licenses are often just a way to exclude people from the workforce. My guess is that massage envy and similar places don't like the asian places.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=livinitinva;3505204]But I think part of the point was.

Think how DANGEROUS it is to have an improperly trained Electrician doing electrical work on a home.

Vastly more dangerous than your unlicensed GF givng you a back massage.

If this was really about concern for the public. They would be after the folks making the Fire Fighters do overtime not the ladies working out a few muscles.[/QUOTE]There is list of professions you obviously want someone with the proper training, certification, licensed etc. Such as your Dentist, Doctor, Surgeon your plumber, electrician. Anyone that involves your health or flooding or burning down your house you want them to be properly trained. A question! Who could cause more harm a 100 pound Chinese girl giving a massage or the guy at Firestone tightening those lugs on that wheel? Does he have a License? Did he smoke a joint at lunch? Does he really give a shit? I have neeeever heard of one single person at Any Chinese store complain about being there against there will, or EVER heard anything in the news about anyone being harmed health wise at any store WHICH ARE the 2 main points that the Massage Board and News are highlighting. Public safety & human trafficking! OMG she has no license she could KILL someone shut them down quick! Whew that was a close one, ok kids your father spending your college fund is safe. So the Massage Board is setting all these regulations bla bla bla to "prevent / solve something that is not happening". Which really describes who They Are. They are a department of our local government that appears to be protecting the public's health but from what? Know body's being hurt!. Now for them to exist and continue to be on the payroll at the tax payers expense they create smoke and mirrors and a dog and pony show so they can keep their jobs. You got to create shit to keep them tax dollars coming this is an old old problem we have in our State and Federal government. Remember the $500 toilet seat or whatever fuck the number was. Yes everyone knows there's hanky panky going on but that involves LE not the Massage Board. Yes I know Massage Board it's in your regulations I've read them, shut the fuck up you are stepping outside of your boundaries trying to enforce the law. Leave that to the law enforcers. Remember their shear existence is to PROTECT the public and issue massage license. But the reality is they aren't protecting anyone's health or solving any human trafficking violations. They are simply squashing the Asians out of business because of the sex reputation. And the heat and complaints that they get at those board meetings every month from the Aunt Bee's working at Massage Envy and the cat ladies working out of their lonely houses only fuel their stupidity and convinces them to march forward. Oh they aren't going away because they are on the tax payers payroll there is an endless supply of cash for them and their families ( our tax dollars). They have no concept of one word that this country was built on many many decades ago before the 24/7 reality that we live in now. And that word is MERCY. We truly live in a dog eat dog society. Ever watch CNN and Fox go at it. I watch both I love a good dog fight comedy.. Psst you guys at the meeting look around the room and see if you can guess who I am. And yes I go to your web site and check the minutes of the meeting for accuracy. Damn it where's my blood pressure pill

[QUOTE=XHippie;3506376]There is list of professions you obviously want someone with the proper training, certification, licensed etc. Such as your Dentist, Doctor, Surgeon your plumber, electrician. Anyone that involves your health or flooding or burning down your house you want them to be properly trained. A question! Who could cause more harm a 100 pound Chinese girl giving a massage or the guy at Firestone tightening those lugs on that wheel? Does he have a License? Did he smoke a joint at lunch? Does he really give a shit? I have neeeever heard of one single person at Any Chinese store complain about being there against there will, or EVER heard anything in the news about anyone being harmed health wise at any store WHICH ARE the 2 main points that the Massage Board and News are highlighting. Public safety & human trafficking! OMG she has no license she could KILL someone shut them down quick! Whew that was a close one, ok kids your father spending your college fund is safe. So the Massage Board is setting all these regulations bla bla bla to "prevent / solve something that is not happening". Which really describes who They Are. They are a department of our local government that appears to be protecting the public's health but from what? Know body's being hurt!. Now for them to exist and continue to be on the payroll at the tax payers expense they create smoke and mirrors and a dog and pony show so they can keep their jobs. You got to create shit to keep them tax dollars coming this is an old old problem we have in our State and Federal government. Remember the $500 toilet seat or whatever fuck the number was. Yes everyone knows there's hanky panky going on but that involves LE not the Massage Board. Yes I know Massage Board it's in your regulations I've read them, shut the fuck up you are stepping outside of your boundaries trying to enforce the law. Leave that to the law enforcers. Remember their shear existence is to PROTECT the public and issue massage license. But the reality is they aren't protecting anyone's health or solving any human trafficking violations. They are simply squashing the Asians out of business because of the sex reputation. And the heat and complaints that they get at those board meetings every month from the Aunt Bee's working at Massage Envy and the cat ladies working out of their lonely houses only fuel their stupidity and convinces them to march forward. Oh they aren't going away because they are on the tax payers payroll there is an endless supply of cash for them and their families ( our tax dollars). They have no concept of one word that this country was built on many many decades ago before the 24/7 reality that we live in now. And that word is MERCY. We truly live in a dog eat dog society. Ever watch CNN and Fox go at it. I watch both I love a good dog fight comedy.. Psst you guys at the meeting look around the room and see if you can guess who I am. And yes I go to your web site and check the minutes of the meeting for accuracy. Damn it where's my blood pressure pill[/QUOTE]It all comes down to the politicians and who they can appease the most. They love to pick the low hanging fruit and ignore the problems that require real work.

[QUOTE=Tee98;3503289]Ok I'm sorry but the system is rigged how is it that a landscaper who owns a business can take the pesticide course and take the test so he has the license and all his illegal immigrants who can't speak a bit of English can now work under his umbrella of a license. How can a electrician or plumber have a license and all their apprenticeship workers can work under his umbrella of a license. My neighbor's who owns multiple nail salons and lives in a half million dollar home never have any trouble even though they don't speak a lick of English. I watched my SO work her ass off studying and going to a massage school in N.Y. then take and pass that 2000 plus question test only to get turned down by the NC massage board because they claimed her English wasn't good enough. Her English is ok she can carry on a conversation. I would like someone to tell me who is being human trafficked if they had someone they would be parading them out there in front of the camera's. The 2 girls from Touch of Asia after the bust stayed in my house and believe me they were not being trafficked. What is their problem with cars that have N.Y. . Plates all the girls that I know who have their own cars tell me they register them at the DMV in Flushing because the DMV workers speak Chinese and it's makes the process easier well that makes sense to me. This is just a dog and pony show because there is a lot of federal money out there to be had if you just say the magic words human trafficking..[/QUOTE]The reason nail salons and legitimate massage therapist never get complained on is they don't offer HE or sexual services. A legitimate MT goes to school for months then must pass the schools final testing. Then they have to pass a state test in order to get state certification to perform their craft. Each state has different qualifications and what's good in wv might be more or less than required in NC. Fif less they would need to take additional classes and pass the nc 6 state test. If its more they just take a test. To be legal they need that state certification where they are working. The first offender is the state for not following the law then the second is the business owner for hiring anyone who doesn't have that e state license. Now that's how a legitimate MT works We all know that AMPs is about the sexual service and the half ass massage is secondary. An outstanding legitimate massage runs 50 dollars and up an hour in wv. What I find entertaining is the number of guys who pay good money at these joints and complain about the half assed massage.

Guess my point is I see professionals for my needs. If I want a great massage I see a certified MT. If I want sex I find that elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Pubb69;3506710]It all comes down to the politicians and who they can appease the most. They love to pick the low hanging fruit and ignore the problems that require real work.[/QUOTE]
Yep low hanging fruit indeed! If all the tax dollars they give the Massage Board employees and their legal team and we know what lawyers charge were to go to the proper folks that need it I wouldn't be so pissed off. I mean we aren't talking about life and death issuing massage license to someone that can't speak perfect English. Yes I agree if the person can't speak English definitely ask them to return when they are ready. A very small staff could handle this IF they didn't create such a mess issuing license. Many states handle ALL this online. But they got to have that choke hold on these Asians. Add up all the salaries, benefits package for each employee, legal counsel fee not cheap, real expensive office space in Raleigh, long term pensions for each employee.. this is a chunk of tax payer revenue. This wasted tax money needs to be going to our Police Officers paying for their protective vest or body cams (some police gear they use comes from their own pocket) pay for some of our firemen's equipment. And how about helping these teachers that are buying school supplies from their pay check. How about hiring another person or two at the VA hospitals check in lobby to get these vets out of the lobby waiting for hours these VETS deserve the same priority that they gave us for their service. The budget being wasted at the Massage Board is a shame on our end and a shame the way the Asians are being treated and other AMERICAN's are missing out on a piece of the tax pie. As you can tell I'm not pro Massage Board LOL. But I always believed if tax dollars go in the "right place" many problems have a way of correcting themselves. But having the right minds making those decisions is the dilemma isn't it? Everyone has the thought process "if everyone would just agree with me they would all be right".

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3506795]The reason nail salons and legitimate massage therapist never get complained on is they don't offer HE or sexual services. A legitimate MT goes to school for months then must pass the schools final testing. Then they have to pass a state test in order to get state certification to perform their craft. Each state has different qualifications and what's good in wv might be more or less than required in NC. Fif less they would need to take additional classes and pass the nc 6 state test. If its more they just take a test. To be legal they need that state certification where they are working. The first offender is the state for not following the law then the second is the business owner for hiring anyone who doesn't have that e state license. Now that's how a legitimate MT works We all know that AMPs is about the sexual service and the half ass massage is secondary. An outstanding legitimate massage runs 50 dollars and up an hour in wv. What I find entertaining is the number of guys who pay good money at these joints and complain about the half assed massage.

Guess my point is I see professionals for my needs. If I want a great massage I see a certified MT. If I want sex I find that elsewhere.[/QUOTE]The majority of so called legitimate therapists I have seen are mostly fluff and bluff artists. So many schools that should not even be teaching it are turning out students that simply have no idea how to give a good massage. My go to massage place will always be Asian, their work effort is far beyond what an American women is willing to do.