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[QUOTE=Head Lock;1302524]I don't recall seeing any coconut trees. I think those are all royal palms or similar so you don't have to worry about your nuts.[/QUOTE]Yeah they are palm trees I drive past them working everyday almost, these tree have no nut, but what I trip out on is the amount we're spending to beautify this highway so the foriegners can look at palm trees on their way to and from the airport. If it wasn't a big enough reason to make the place look nice before for all to enjoy the the hell now? It's not like these foreigners are going to say "OMG, Nimitz looks terrible, let's have our meeting on Guam"!

[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1302611]Yeah they are palm trees I drive past them working everyday almost, these tree have no nut, but what I trip out on is the amount we're spending to beautify this highway so the foriegners can look at palm trees on their way to and from the airport. If it wasn't a big enough reason to make the place look nice before for all to enjoy the the hell now? It's not like these foreigners are going to say "OMG, Nimitz looks terrible, let's have our meeting on Guam"![/QUOTE]There are various types of palm trees in the planting, and there are definitely some coconut trees in the mix, so you guys are wrong on that. I agree with you on everything else. Why spend all this money now to beautify a stretch of Highway so some foreign clowns think it is pretty on their drive from the airport to Waikiki. Like you said, what are they going to do? Leave because a stretch of highway median didn't have plants? The only good thing out of this, is that some local landscapers and tree nurseries are making some money right now in this bad econmoy, when things are really slow for them.

I think Hawaii should host APEC every month but in a different location: Waipahu in December, Nanakuli in January, Waianae in February, etc. That way the city and State will come and beautify those areas, repave the roads and clear out the homeless from each place! Oh wait a minute, nevermind. It's only temprary because as soon as the delegates leave, the projects will be forgotten. What was I thinking?

[QUOTE=Spyda;1301991]Somewhere areound 20, 000 attendees.[/QUOTE]Okay do the math, each person takes a dump once or twice a day and pees at least 6 times or more. So for each person that means flushing the toilet at least 4 times, more so for females since they can't pee standing up in a urinal.

Each flush amounts to around 2. 5 gallons of water, so 20, 000 people will create at least 200, 000 additional gallons of sewage to feed the fishes off the coast of Oahu.

How much "semanship" fluid being emptied from the sacks to fill the AMP places is another interesting calculation?

[QUOTE=Little Dickie;1302643]There are various types of palm trees in the planting, and there are definitely some coconut trees in the mix, so you guys are wrong on that. I agree with you on everything else. Why spend all this money now to beautify a stretch of Highway so some foreign clowns think it is pretty on their drive from the airport to Waikiki. Like you said, what are they going to do? Leave because a stretch of highway median didn't have plants? The only good thing out of this, is that some local landscapers and tree nurseries are making some money right now in this bad econmoy, when things are really slow for them.[/QUOTE]Not saying it is cheap, but consider Singapore spent 79mil and Japan plans to spend 200 mil, Hawaii's 28mil (which they hope to make 50mil from APEC) is a bargain in their eyes. Still, I agree with you guys. Beautification is great but the maintenance and upkeep is where the real money is spent. And Hawaii doesn't have it.

V Rider

[QUOTE=Johnny14; 1303103]Okay do the math, each person takes a dump once or twice a day and pees at least 6 times or more. So for each person that means flushing the toilet at least 4 times, more so for females since they can't pee standing up in a urinal.

Each flush amounts to around 2. 5 gallons of water, so 20, 000 people will create at least 200, 000 additional gallons of sewage to feed the fishes off the coast of Oahu.

How much "semanship" fluid being emptied from the sacks to fill the AMP places is another interesting calculation?[/QUOTE]Read this on the internet jellyfish eat bacteria in the water, hence we always have a Box Jellyfish influx from 7-10 days after a full moon and most of it is on the South side (town) of the island, add 20, 000 more people flushing the toilets and the next two vmonths of influx should be enormous. And BTW I take a good three craps in the first two and a half hours upon awakening, like clocwork andvone somewhere near lunch, and pee about three time during my sleep which pisses me off. Had a prostate exam by my pcp who happens to be a good 6'2".280#

[QUOTE=Lowlys One; 1303174. And pee about three time during my sleep which pisses me off. Had a prostate exam by my pcp who happens to be a good 6'2".280#[/QUOTE]

Couple years ago my pcp actually scheduled surgery to remove my enlarged prostate. For 6 weeks before the surgery I took zinc at the rate of 10 mg per kilo gram body weight with lots of water to flush it out. Was peeing every 30 minutes and was taking about 400-500 mg per day.

Came back for pre-surgery screening by pcp and he couldn't believe that the prostate had shrunk back to normal size! Canceled the surgery and I've been good to this day, but on a reduced zinc rate about 200-300 mg / day (sometimes only 150-200 mg) but spread out through 3 meals. Better to spread out the doses throughout each meal, beginning, middle and end otherwise you'll get upset stomach.

It works, is natural and allot cheaper than the prescribed medications you purchase. However sometimes it makes me fart more often than not, maybe should switch brand? Scared the heck out of one AMP provider went she walked on my back and the fog horn blew its top! ha ha

I need some senior advice. With APEC coming soon and HPD increasing their work hours knowing girls are coming here to service the APEC guys / girls; do you think it would be wise to lay low until APEC is over? I don't want to get swept up in the craziness. Thanks.

OC

[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1303174]Read this on the internet jellyfish eat bacteria in the water, hence we always have a Box Jellyfish influx from 7-10 days after a full moon and most of it is on the South side (town) of the island, add 20, 000 more people flushing the toilets and the next two vmonths of influx should be enormous. And BTW I take a good three craps in the first two and a half hours upon awakening, like clocwork andvone somewhere near lunch, and pee about three time during my sleep which pisses me off. Had a prostate exam by my pcp who happens to be a good 6'2".280#[/QUOTE]The bacteria that the jellyfish are going after are not from sewage or waste water discharges from the sewage treatment plants. The treatment plant water is discharged about five miles offshore in over 500 feet depth. I think this allows that discharge to be carried out to the deep sea currents between the islands and heads down to the equator.

If your premises is that the jellyfish are feeding on bacteria, then the fact that the most active use of the ocean is on the south shore centering on Waikiki, Ala Moana Beach and Hanauma Bay. The bacteria would be from the humans entering the water and creating the environment for the bacteria to grow.

The human body sweats to get rid of waste we all generate, that is why body odor stinks. Also, the body's biggest organ is our skin, which replaces cells constantly throwing off dead cells. The ocean does a great job of removing sweat and skin cells, thus creating a great soup for bacteria to grow. Throw in the occassional pee and doo doo from kids and tourists, the ocean waters surrounding Waikiki, Hanauma Bay and Ala Moana are a vertiable petri dish for bacteria to grow on.

The jellyfish invasion is just nature's way of cleaning up our environmental messes. Remember these jellyfish invasions started to get noticable when the yearly tourist counts went over four million each year.

[QUOTE=OralConniseur; 1303252]I need some senior advice. With APEC coming soon and HPD increasing their work hours knowing girls are coming here to service the APEC guys / girls; do you think it would be wise to lay low until APEC is over? I don't want to get swept up in the craziness. Thanks.

OC[/QUOTE]My employment gives me a birds-eye view of Waikiki during the high-light of the monger hours. I would like to say that I am fairly conscious of my surroundings. However, recently I witnessed a near bust where I saw a street walker attempting a trick then a plain clothes officer appeared out of thin air. Maybe I was too focused on the hot looking hooker but it sure made me think that I will stick to AMP's for now.

The Biggest Joke is this so-called Security Fence that lines Nimitz from the Dal-tile building to Aloha Towers.WTF is this fence for, it is Not even continuous! Anyone can go beyond this Million Dollar SEcurity Fence.

[QUOTE=Kennie1933;1302693]I think Hawaii should host APEC every month but in a different location: Waipahu in December, Nanakuli in January, Waianae in February, etc. That way the city and State will come and beautify those areas, repave the roads and clear out the homeless from each place! Oh wait a minute, nevermind. It's only temprary because as soon as the delegates leave, the projects will be forgotten. What was I thinking?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OralConniseur; 1303252]I need some senior advice. With APEC coming soon and HPD increasing their work hours knowing girls are coming here to service the APEC guys / girls; do you think it would be wise to lay low until APEC is over? I don't want to get swept up in the craziness. Thanks.

OC[/QUOTE]Only see regulars. Not a good time to TOFFT

[QUOTE=Johnny14; 1303223]Couple years ago my pcp actually scheduled surgery to remove my enlarged prostate. For 6 weeks before the surgery I took zinc at the rate of 10 mg per kilo gram body weight with lots of water to flush it out. Was peeing every 30 minutes and was taking about 400-500 mg per day.

Came back for pre-surgery screening by pcp and he couldn't believe that the prostate had shrunk back to normal size! Canceled the surgery and I've been good to this day, but on a reduced zinc rate about 200-300 mg / day (sometimes only 150-200 mg) but spread out through 3 meals. Better to spread out the doses throughout each meal, beginning, middle and end otherwise you'll get upset stomach.

It works, is natural and allot cheaper than the prescribed medications you purchase. However sometimes it makes me fart more often than not, maybe should switch brand? Scared the heck out of one AMP provider went she walked on my back and the fog horn blew its top! Ha ha[/QUOTE]Its funny that you mentioned this cause my pcp always pushes the natural way of doing things and he was trying to sell me a bottle that he has in his office for 20 bucks and I thought he was just trying to swindle me for more cash as he likes us to copay at the time of our visit, so I told him that I would get them at a later date. Never bought them but I was thinking vif I was going to get them I'd be cheaper if I went to a supplement store a bought them myself. And to think, I had second thoughts about my pcp and his motives, now that you mentioned this I. Can feel a whole lot more tustworthy aout him!

[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1303174]Read this on the internet jellyfish eat bacteria in the water, hence we always have a Box Jellyfish influx from 7-10 days after a full moon and most of it is on the South side (town) of the island, add 20, 000 more people flushing the toilets and the next two vmonths of influx should be enormous. And BTW I take a good three craps in the first two and a half hours upon awakening, like clocwork andvone somewhere near lunch, and pee about three time during my sleep which pisses me off. Had a prostate exam by my pcp who happens to be a good 6'2".280#[/QUOTE]Thought I'd chip in here, since it's something that I know a bit about. The Box Jellyfish (Chironex fleckeri) do not live on bacteria. Rather, they consume mostly small fish and other small swimming creatures who come into contact with the deadly stingers on their tentacles. Upon contact, the stingers immediately inject a powerful nerve toxin which paralyzes the victim, allowing the jellyfish to draw the prey up into its body with its tentacles, where it is digested.

And deadly is the correct word, as the Box Jellyfish is considered to be one of, if not the most, deadly invertebrate in the ocean. Contact by humans has resulted in death in less than one minute. It is not surprising that this information is not better disseminated by the health authorities to the public, given the clear negative impact it would have to the local tourist industry.

The Box Jellyfish has surprisingly good optical sensory organs, six of them actually. They're not eyes in the true sense, but they are very sensitive to light. This explains, at least partially, why their movement is consistently synchronized with the maximum intensity of the full moon and why they come close to those shores which have the most night-time light, like the Waikiki area.

When I was a kid in the 60's collecting sea animals for my aquarium, I knew of the Box Jellyfish, but at that time it was known to live only in the South Pacific, around Australia. In the 40+ intervening years since then, it has somehow managed to travel an awful long distance and has now taken up permanent residence in Hawaii.

Be safe surfing the waves and the AMP's.

[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1303725]Its funny that you mentioned this cause my pcp always pushes the natural way of doing things and he was trying to sell me a bottle that he has in his office for 20 bucks and I thought he was just trying to swindle me for more cash as he likes us to copay at the time of our visit, so I told him that I would get them at a later date. Never bought them but I was thinking vif I was going to get them I'd be cheaper if I went to a supplement store a bought them myself. And to think, I had second thoughts about my pcp and his motives, now that you mentioned this I. Can feel a whole lot more tustworthy aout him![/QUOTE]I buy it at the commissary for about $2. 69 a bottle of 100 tablets. 50 mg each of Nature's Blend. $20 bucks is still expensive, must be something else?

I actually got this and other information from a book published by "University Medical Research Publishers" called "Amazing Medicines The Drug Companies Don't Want You to Discover" 1993

[QUOTE=Captain Nemo; 1303738]Thought I'd chip in here, since it's something that I know a bit about. The Box Jellyfish (Chironex fleckeri) do not live on bacteria. Rather, they consume mostly small fish and other small swimming creatures who come into contact with the deadly stingers on their tentacles. Upon contact, the stingers immediately inject a powerful nerve toxin which paralyzes the victim, allowing the jellyfish to draw the prey up into its body with its tentacles, where it is digested.

And deadly is the correct word, as the Box Jellyfish is considered to be one of, if not the most, deadly invertebrate in the ocean. Contact by humans has resulted in death in less than one minute. It is not surprising that this information is not better disseminated by the health authorities to the public, given the clear negative impact it would have to the local tourist industry.

The Box Jellyfish has surprisingly good optical sensory organs, six of them actually. They're not eyes in the true sense, but they are very sensitive to light. This explains, at least partially, why their movement is consistently synchronized with the maximum intensity of the full moon and why they come close to those shores which have the most night-time light, like the Waikiki area.

When I was a kid in the 60's collecting sea animals for my aquarium, I knew of the Box Jellyfish, but at that time it was known to live only in the South Pacific, around Australia. In the 40+ intervening years since then, it has somehow managed to travel an awful long distance and has now taken up permanent residence in Hawaii.

Be safe surfing the waves and the AMP's.[/QUOTE]You know what else I notice about them, is that after about 9-10 am, on a sunny day they seem to go away, so on the heavy influx days I never surf dawn patrol, and alway surf after 9-10am, so far so good! One time I got stung three time in one surf session early in the morning, got needles from head to toes, could hardly breath, started sweating profusely, my body was going into shock and of course the pain, did the vinegar thing, wasn't working so I decided to head to the hospital but I didn't want to put my clothes on with all that vinegar on me so I jumped in the shower to wash off and as soon as the hotvwater hit me I felt instant relief, I mean instant at that point I knew I didn't need to go to the hospital. So the moral bof this story is if you happened to get stung by these box jellyfish, jump. In the shower and use. Hot water, bi don't kjow if bit was the combination bof vinegar and hot water or just hot water, so try the hot water first and if that don't take the bpain away then try vinegar and then hot water!

Like was said about box jellyfish, they have 'eyes', and are drawn to areas with certain types / colors of light. That's why there are more on the town / waikiki side than other areas. UH has studied them, and that's what they have come to learn, is that box jellies will swim towards light. The lights of ala moana and waikiki draw them to those areas.

[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1303976]One time I got stung three time in one surf session early in the morning, got needles from head to toes, could hardly breath, started sweating profusely, my body was going into shock and of course the pain, did the vinegar thing, wasn't working so I decided to head to the hospital but I didn't want to put my clothes on with all that vinegar on me so I jumped in the shower to wash off and as soon as the hotvwater hit me I felt instant relief, I mean instant at that point I knew I didn't need to go to the hospital. So the moral bof this story is if you happened to get stung by these box jellyfish, jump. In the shower and use. Hot water, bi don't kjow if bit was the combination bof vinegar and hot water or just hot water, so try the hot water first and if that don't take the bpain away then try vinegar and then hot water![/QUOTE]Sounds like you had a serious reaction, glad you made it out alright. I didn't do a whole lot of research, and there seems to be some disagreement amongst some sources, but one important criteria is whether it is in fact a box jellyfish and not a portuguese man-of-war, with respect to the effectiveness of certain treatments.

Vinegar is a weak acid and can help neutralize the venom but as you found it may not work. Fresh water can cause more venom to be released, unless it is at least 122 degrees Fahrenheit; research has shown this to be the critical temperature. Since there may not be a thermometer handy, the advice is to make the water as hot as one can take it without getting scalded.

So you were able to drive home while this was happening to you?

[QUOTE=H Mobius; 1304028]Sounds like you had a serious reaction, glad you made it out alright. I didn't do a whole lot of research, and there seems to be some disagreement amongst some sources, but one important criteria is whether it is in fact a box jellyfish and not a portuguese man-of-war, with respect to the effectiveness of certain treatments.

Vinegar is a weak acid and can help neutralize the venom but as you found it may not work. Fresh water can cause more venom to be released, unless it is at least 122 degrees Fahrenheit; research has shown this to be the critical temperature. Since there may not be a thermometer handy, the advice is to make the water as hot as one can take it without getting scalded.

So you were able to drive home while.

[QUOTE=H Mobius; 1304028]Sounds like you had a serious reaction, glad you made it out alright. I didn't do a whole lot of research, and there seems to be some disagreement amongst some sources, but one important criteria is whether it is in fact a box jellyfish and not a portuguese man-of-war, with respect to the effectiveness of certain treatments.

Vinegar is a weak acid and can help neutralize the venom but as you found it may not work. Fresh water can cause more venom to be released, unless it is at least 122 degrees Fahrenheit; research has shown this to be the critical temperature. Since there may not be a thermometer handy, the advice is to make the water as hot as one can take it without getting scalded.

So you were able to drive home while this was happening to you?[/QUOTE]Yes I was able to drive home in a great deal of pain and sweat, and mind you I had just gotten out of the water in the morning, yet I was sweating profusely, I wasn't hot but it was just a reaction to the venom. But about an hour after arriving home the stings got worse and worse not better, this is where the needles from head to toe and the difficulty breathing occured and the decision made. Definitly box Jellyfish sting as the shoreline was just littered with them but I was set on surfing. I tell you what the box jellyfish sting is way more sore than the portugese man of war sting but the one thing that makes the P. Man o war sting bad as well is the lenght of their tenticles, two feet long can be the normand when they get wrapped around a leg or arm, the lenght of exposure can five seconds long, whereas the box jellyfish has only about 6-8. Inches tenticles in my estimation so getting a tenticle wrapped around a leg is unlikely, even an arm, but getting them trapped between my torso and my board is a problem, which happened twice that day, and once it brushed my leg. Getting the jellyfish trapped between my board and me is unlikely but I was just so unlucky that day and also there was so much in the water that day but nomally you'd just brush up on one but that's all you need to hurt! And you're right the hotter the water the better it felt!

Have any of you guys tried the HMMC? Just curious because I called and talked to some guy who explained to me that the cost of the visit is $190 and implied that the results are guaranteed based on an exam by a physician. The also run some blood tests to determine the dosage of the meds. The results would be an erection within the hour. They would be assigning a prescription for you to take which is good for a year. Not sure if the prescription is a added cost. The package sounds good. He emphasized that it is nothing similar to Viagra or Cialis, etc. They would need info on what medical conditions you have and the meds you are presently taking. Sure curious if anyone has anything to add. The promotional ad is in the daily newspaper. I also checked the website and it indicates that they are a national clinic system. Check the newspaper if you are interested. PM if you have anything to add. Mahalo.

[QUOTE=Lowlys One; 1304618][QUOTE=H Mobius; 1304028]Sounds like you had a serious reaction, glad you made it out alright. I didn't do a whole lot of research, and there seems to be some disagreement amongst some sources, but one important criteria is whether it is in fact a box jellyfish and not a portuguese man-of-war, with respect to the effectiveness of certain treatments.

Vinegar is a weak acid and can help neutralize the venom but as you found it may not work. Fresh water can cause more venom to be released, unless it is at least 122 degrees Fahrenheit; research has shown this to be the critical temperature. Since there may not be a thermometer handy, the advice is to make the water as hot as one can take it without getting scalded.

So you were able to drive home while.

Yes I was able to drive home in a great deal of pain and sweat, and mind you I had just gotten out of the water in the morning, yet I was sweating profusely, I wasn't hot but it was just a reaction to the venom. But about an hour after arriving home the stings got worse and worse not better, this is where the needles from head to toe and the difficulty breathing occured and the decision made. Definitly box Jellyfish sting as the shoreline was just littered with them but I was set on surfing. I tell you what the box jellyfish sting is way more sore than the portugese man of war sting but the one thing that makes the P. Man o war sting bad as well is the lenght of their tenticles, two feet long can be the normand when they get wrapped around a leg or arm, the lenght of exposure can five seconds long, whereas the box jellyfish has only about 6-8. Inches tenticles in my estimation so getting a tenticle wrapped around a leg is unlikely, even an arm, but getting them trapped between my torso and my board is a problem, which happened twice that day, and once it brushed my leg. Getting the jellyfish trapped between my board and me is unlikely but I was just so unlucky that day and also there was so much in the water that day but nomally you'd just brush up on one but that's all you need to hurt! And you're right the hotter the water the better it felt![/QUOTE]One good reason I SUP on those days!

Keep the critters at the bottom of your feet.

Stay Safe! E

All halloween weekend was fun. Aloha tower Thursday night college girls all dressed up and flirty, And thats with out alcohol there. Saturday night Hallaballoo at China town. Shit the asses that were hanging out of those costumes and there was alcohol there.

Being that in the last year, I have left my old job and rekindled my media roots once again, my line of works puts me in the midst of all these beautiful wahine athletes from all these different colleges. It's truly is painful to watch all these statuesque, spandex hunneys jump around the court (in that blue balled sort of way). It makes me wish I has post fuck access to their locker room, bangin' even the ugliest, most gorilla-faced looking one. I'd have Brittany on my mind.

Can you imagine bangin' a girl that hot and that tall from behind? That long, long body of hers moving up and down your shaft, stinky pinky smells and post-court sweat reaming your nose. And those eyes of hers, dang! So wicked and sultry. Know what, I think I'd be happy just licking her dookie hole. What ever color it may be, I'm game.

The land of potatoes sure knows how to manufacture their women.

[QUOTE=StripedFashion; 1312696]Being that in the last year, I have left my old job and rekindled my media roots once again, my line of works puts me in the midst of all these beautiful wahine athletes from all these different colleges. It's truly is painful to watch all these statuesque, spandex hunneys jump around the court (in that blue balled sort of way). It makes me wish I has post fuck access to their locker room, bangin' even the ugliest, most gorilla-faced looking one. I'd have Brittany on my mind.

Can you imagine bangin' a girl that hot and that tall from behind? That long, long body of hers moving up and down your shaft, stinky pinky smells and post-court sweat reaming your nose. And those eyes of hers, dang! So wicked and sultry. Know what, I think I'd be happy just licking her dookie hole. What ever color it may be, I'm game.

The land of potatoes sure knows how to manufacture their women.[/QUOTE]I often find a lot of high school volley ball girls walking around Manoa Marketplace in their little black v-ball spandex shorts with THIGHS TO DIE FOR!

They are jailbait though. Honestly, if I had a daughter with an ass and legs like those girls, I'd have a standing mandate that she not walk around in public in those shorts. They are blueball makers!

[QUOTE=Hypo Luxa; 1312810]I often find a lot of high school volley ball girls walking around Manoa Marketplace in their little black v-ball spandex shorts with THIGHS TO DIE FOR!

They are jailbait though. Honestly, if I had a daughter with an ass and legs like those girls, I'd have a standing mandate that she not walk around in public in those shorts. They are blueball makers![/QUOTE]I went to workout at the downtown 24 for the first time a few weeks back, and the HPU volleyball team was there. Well, honestly they weren't that hot. But you're right. Those shorts+thighs are YUMS. I mean, if U-turn them around LOL

[QUOTE=Pok Gai;1312989]I went to workout at the downtown 24 for the first time a few weeks back, and the HPU volleyball team was there. Well, honestly they weren't that hot. But you're right. Those shorts+thighs are YUMS. I mean, if U-turn them around LOL[/QUOTE]Have to agree with you guys here in So Calif- SO and I went for ice cream, and 15 year old came in with her dad- ass cheeks tight, legs and puY outlined, so tight you could count hairs- had to be careful so I DIDN'T GET CAUGHT LOOKING- Why her dad let her out is unreal- why they even have that for a uniform is crazy, but I love it.

You guys seem to have the most fun of any area on the board, with the KGB's etc- Give a cute one a mouthful for me!

[QUOTE=StripedFashion; 1312696]Being that in the last year, I have left my old job and rekindled my media roots once again, my line of works puts me in the midst of all these beautiful wahine athletes from all these different colleges. It's truly is painful to watch all these statuesque, spandex hunneys jump around the court (in that blue balled sort of way). It makes me wish I has post fuck access to their locker room, bangin' even the ugliest, most gorilla-faced looking one. I'd have Brittany on my mind.

Can you imagine bangin' a girl that hot and that tall from behind? That long, long body of hers moving up and down your shaft, stinky pinky smells and post-court sweat reaming your nose. And those eyes of hers, dang! So wicked and sultry. Know what, I think I'd be happy just licking her dookie hole. What ever color it may be, I'm game.

The land of potatoes sure knows how to manufacture their women.[/QUOTE]+1. Dude, I ache with you on this one.

Was just watching the news and it is projecting apec will inject 120 million. Into the states economy, it a huge headache but I guess. There a good pay. Off!

Hmm. Just watching the news and the leadership arriving also the topics being discussed and basically just the overall daily operations of this conference, this is some really big matters with big titles being held around town. And here I am in my own little world getting all frustrated over not being able to surf my regular break and do the normal routine that I usually do, sometimes I can be so petty and short sighted,"it's all about me" mentality, so much so I at times couldn't think myself out of a box. It takes situation and events like these to snap me out of myself. Thank god for apec! BTW I'm very impressed with the whole production, convention center looks great on the tele!

[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1316179]Hmm. Just watching the news and the leadership arriving also the topics being discussed and basically just the overall daily operations of this conference, this is some really big matters with big titles being held around town. And here I am in my own little world getting all frustrated over not being able to surf my regular break and do the normal routine that I usually do, sometimes I can be so petty and short sighted,"it's all about me" mentality, so much so I at times couldn't think myself out of a box. It takes situation and events like these to snap me out of myself. Thank god for apec! BTW I'm very impressed with the whole production, convention center looks great on the tele![/QUOTE]Just imagine 20, 30 or 40 years ago the concept of the US President and Russian Leader (then USSR) being together at a conference? That would be a monumental event. Now it's a secondary headline. My how times change! Now the big deal is the China President being here and talking him out of what they're doing with their currency so as not to bankrupt the world.

Agreed. This APEC is an important deal if only for that!

Just the fact we have 20 or more of the worlds leaders on our little island is amazing. Now I would like to know where exactly that 120, 000 is goung to?

Godd job people of Hawaii! Be proud. Our state is number one!

[QUOTE=Hypo Luxa; 1316202]Just imagine 20, 30 or 40 years ago the concept of the US President and Russian Leader (then USSR) being together at a conference? That would be a monumental event. Now it's a secondary headline. My how times change! Now the big deal is the China President being here and talking him out of what they're doing with their currency so as not to bankrupt the world.

Agreed. This APEC is an important deal if only for that![/QUOTE]Which reminds me of my greatest hero, Mikhail Gorbachev: The leader of the then Soviet Union and the Eastern bloc of nation (the communists) , this dude not only has the humility but the foresight to relinquish his vast power (the most powerful man in the world) , for the good of not only his people but the people of the world, he basically said this way of life "sucks", thus setting a domino effect for most if not all dictatorship to fall in Europe setting the world on a path to peace which could not have been imagined much less seen as little as two years prior. Course now we have a new set of enemies, but still this dude is so underated, but he fricken rocks, all hail Gorby, my hero!

[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1316179]Hmm. Just watching the news and the leadership arriving also the topics being discussed and basically just the overall daily operations of this conference, this is some really big matters with big titles being held around town. And here I am in my own little world getting all frustrated over not being able to surf my regular break and do the normal routine that I usually do, sometimes I can be so petty and short sighted,"it's all about me" mentality, so much so I at times couldn't think myself out of a box. It takes situation and events like these to snap me out of myself. Thank god for apec! BTW I'm very impressed with the whole production, convention center looks great on the tele![/QUOTE]Yeah, I sit in Sec. Clinton's, Pres. Of Philippine's, Pres. Of Russia (among others) and Obama's room (tomorrow) during their presentations. And I'll work with Mrs. O on Monday. I have SS clearance. No, I'm not press or security or a volunteer. And I still get bashed for giving info on the SS shooting incident. Yeah, you know who you are. But I digress. . . .

To my select brothers, heavy shit going down in the next few years. All I can say is "batten down the hatches" because next year is going to be a tough one economically. We ain't seen nuthin' yet.

V Rider

[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1313152]Was just watching the news and it is projecting apec will inject 120 million. Into the states economy, it a huge headache but I guess. There a good pay. Off![/QUOTE]The added security alone for this dog and pony show in one day will cost more than 120 million. As long as this HELPS local Business, (With the added horrific traffic, maybe not) I'd be happy, but I really doubt it. All those nice new Palm trees they added to Ala Moana Road? The nice new stone sidewalks in Waikiki? Like Painting lines and rocks in the Army when a General is going to stop by to not even notice. Who paid for that? Lots O fluff and show, for 120 million? Ya, hope it's bettah than that folks.

[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1316223]Which reminds me of my greatest hero, Mikhail Gorbachev: The leader of the then Soviet Union and the Eastern bloc of nation (the communists) , this dude not only has the humility but the foresight to relinquish his vast power (the most powerful man in the world) , for the good of not only his people but the people of the world, he basically said this way of life "sucks", thus setting a domino effect for most if not all dictatorship to fall in Europe setting the world on a path to peace which could not have been imagined much less seen as little as two years prior. Course now we have a new set of enemies, but still this dude is so underated, but he fricken rocks, all hail Gorby, my hero![/QUOTE]Nice pick Lowlys.

[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1313152]Was just watching the news and it is projecting apec will inject 120 million. Into the states economy, it a huge headache but I guess. There a good pay. Off![/QUOTE]Yeah, this APEC is just another dog and pony show, just like Rail. State "invests" $120 million, while APEC wants to make the entire Pacific basin a "free trade" zone. More USA jobs being outsourced overseas. Veterans parade has been canceled in Wahiawa, lost of business revenue because HPD too busy in Waikiki to control traffic. Schofield army police could fill in, but no HPD cops need to get their overtime, hell with the residents and business in Wahiawa.

Just like Rail, city of Honolulu "invests" $5 billion on boondoggle where over 80 percent of Oahu taxpayers will not even ride that obsolete technology that will never eleviate traffic jams and actually cause more disruptions during its projected 10 year building phase. All your taxpayer's money going to into the wrong pockets, the corrupt politicians and their cronies.

[QUOTE=Johnny14; 1316590]Yeah, this APEC is just another dog and pony show, just like Rail. State "invests" $120 million, while APEC wants to make the entire Pacific basin a "free trade" zone. More USA jobs being outsourced overseas. Veterans parade has been canceled in Wahiawa, lost of business revenue because HPD too busy in Waikiki to control traffic. Schofield army police could fill in, but no HPD cops need to get their overtime, hell with the residents and business in Wahiawa.

Just like Rail, city of Honolulu "invests" $5 billion on boondoggle where over 80 percent of Oahu taxpayers will not even ride that obsolete technology that will never eleviate traffic jams and actually cause more disruptions during its projected 10 year building phase. All your taxpayer's money going to into the wrong pockets, the corrupt politicians and their cronies.[/QUOTE]I don't confess to know everything but this is what I see, apec comes to town along with their cash (120 million, projected) , now most of it may go to tourism (hotels, tour companies, visitor attractions, audio & video, stage and lighting, ect.) , security and whobever else is involved with setting up the state to handle the influx. These people will score directly from the added work that it takes to put on this event, but a month from now these families going renovate that bathroom they always wanted to but didn't quite have enough to do, now the construction worker going have a little extra side work and because of that he going buy that new board he always wanted for the upcoming winter but was just making ends meet but with that one side job, the surfboard shaper get one more extra board on the slate and because of that extra board he made he going take the family out for dinner, and on and on, you get the idea, this is won't be immediately apparent, like we all want our stuff and we want it now but look long term and there really is a payoff for all!

[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1316605]I don't confess to know everything but this is what I see, apec comes to town along with their cash (120 million, projected)[/QUOTE]Consider this:

APEC spending ________________________________________________$120, 000, 000.

Less: What displaced regular tourists would have spent anyway _________. $80, 000, 000.

Less: Police OT and National Guard ________________________________-$20, 000, 000.

Less: Irritation to regular tourists.

Kapiolani Park, Iolani Palace, Diamond head closed.

Visitors walk out from hotels to get taxis.

18 hour traffic jams. Dissatisfaction is hard to measure but has real.

Economic consequences ________________________________________-$2, 000, 000.

Less: Irritation to locals (reduced local spending in Waikiki) _______________$500, 000.

Feeling that government does not care is a further intangible loss.

Net gain (maybe if we are really lucky) ______________________________$17, 500, 000.

[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1316605]on and on, you get the idea[/QUOTE]It may be positive but not as much as officials want you to believe.

Yeah, lots of commotion, traffic congestion, our convenience of having our beautiful parks available to us taken away, etc. All logical complaints.

Why do they even need to have it here, right? We don't need these hassles, right?

One reason I saw to put up with these "hassles" is we belong to the Pacific RIM and therefore must do our part, like it or not. We do benefit from belonging to the Pacific RIM. We have benefited for a long time with the visitors from Asia and Southeast Asia. It costs Hawaii 27 million, but how much have we gained from these countries sending us their visitors? And for how long have they been doing this? Days? Weeks? More like decades. Do we want it to continue? Sure we do. Tiny example: Look at Pink and all the great girls now. Would we get these girls with such regularity if we were not part of this consortium? Hard to say definitively, but I would hazard a guess most likely not.

Hawaii is a cheap stated, considering California has a 60Billion rail project proposed. Hawaii is spending 27million on APEC, Singapore 2 years ago spent 70million. Japan, if they join, will spend 200million. Leaders of 21 Pacific RIM countries have experienced Hawaii first hand.

We live in Hawaii. Where's the Aloha? Give back more than what you get. Or have we forgotten that?

For one week of hassles, we have gotten years of patronage. Small price to pay, IMHO.

Not trying to argue, just one person's opinion.

In any case, IT'S DONE! Release the hounds! LOL.

V Rider

[QUOTE=V Rider; 1316852]Yeah, lots of commotion, traffic congestion, our convenience of having our beautiful parks available to us taken away, etc. All logical complaints.

Why do they even need to have it here, right? We don't need these hassles, right?

One reason I saw to put up with these "hassles" is we belong to the Pacific RIM and therefore must do our part, like it or not. We do benefit from belonging to the Pacific RIM. We have benefited for a long time with the visitors from Asia and Southeast Asia. It costs Hawaii 27 million, but how much have we gained from these countries sending us their visitors? And for how long have they been doing this? Days? Weeks? More like decades. Do we want it to continue? Sure we do. Tiny example: Look at Pink and all the great girls now. Would we get these girls with such regularity if we were not part of this consortium? Hard to say definitively, but I would hazard a guess most likely not.

Hawaii is a cheap stated, considering California has a 60Billion rail project proposed. Hawaii is spending 27million on APEC, Singapore 2 years ago spent 70million. Japan, if they join, will spend 200million. Leaders of 21 Pacific RIM countries have experienced Hawaii first hand.

We live in Hawaii. Where's the Aloha? Give back more than what you get. Or have we forgotten that?

For one week of hassles, we have gotten years of patronage. Small price to pay, IMHO.

Not trying to argue, just one person's opinion.

In any case, IT'S DONE! Release the hounds! LOL.

V Rider[/QUOTE]You forgot to mention the 90+ major companies in town for the conference that brought their CEO's and other delicates that paid full rate to stay in our Waikiki. Hopefully some of these companies will come back to hold their own conventions in Hawaii. That means more work.

The last APEC CEO Conference was last held on US soil in the 1990's. It was perfectly fitting that the 10th Annual conference was held in the middle of what it was all about.

Plus Chile, China, Korea, Thailand, Hong Kong, Singapore, Russia oh and France among other countries brought over some real hot babes. The hottest babe was from Indonisia.