Sugar Daddy Sites

[QUOTE=Christophe1;7414583]Wait a minute, didn't you used to work for some of these sugar daddy websites?

A comparable is how California built up decades of cannabis genetics. When money showed up they all sold-out and are broke. I personally feel that you lead the bandwagon to this hell you mastered while using deceptive techniques to create an abomination to which here you now complain.

My personal take.[/QUOTE]Christophe little bit harsh there man with the deceptive techniques you mention. HG, you, me and a couple others guys still kickin around this forum are the OGs of non-pros and sugaring. We've been around for a long ass time on this forum. Only difference is I had a different username back then.

Reading HGs posts over the years and how he negotiated with non-pros. I saw that it was a bit similar to my negotiation skills. Not exact but a bit more than a few similarities. And I would never call it deceptive. I'd say better a breakdown of money provided over time / meets versus only one large sum for one meet. Basics of quantity over quality kind of. That's just being smart and to me not deceptive. Deceptive would be something like the smash & dash. By either negotiating a monthly or weekly allowance to be paid at the end of the month / week. Fucking the girl all week or month and then not showing up to pay at the end of the month/week. Or the fake money in an envelope trick. That's deceptive, fucked up and being a straight thief.

And he's right the market is trash nowadays. For me a sugarbaby should always be 18 to 22, college age girls. They don't necessarily have to be in college but those ages. Maybe 25 to 28 max sometimes if they still have a great body and face. 30 somethings and above have no business being sugarbabies. It's a young honeys game. Non-pros on the other hand are a toss up. And you have to be open-minded on their ages. Because as Forrest said you never know what you're gonna get with non-pro ads. LOL.

So let's be cool with a fellow OG man. HGs been around since the beginning of our non-pro / sugaring shenanigans.

Seeking strictly prohibits any form of compensated companionship, including references to or arrangements involving companionship, dating, or intimacy in exchange for money, gifts, financial support, mentorship, or other valuable benefits. This includes, but is not limited to:

References to "sugar dating," including terms like "sugar daddies," "sugar mamas," or "sugar babies. ".

Mentions of "PPM," "allowance," or specific monetary amounts in relation to companionship or relationships.

Offers or requests for paid dates, financial arrangements, or transactional intimacy.

There is no distinction between this in a profile or this in a message.

I have a pretty 'clean' profile and attitude, but it is VERY easy to get caught up in this stuff, and then you could lose your profile, which is damn hard to resurrect.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7415782]which is damn hard to resurrect.[/QUOTE]Yep, always a good idea to have two accounts, so the standby (blank profile) can take over when the 1st gets blasted.

It's also helpful to help determine if profiles that disappeared blocked you or their account is actually gone.

If you know how to use VMWare or any other Virtual Machine software (it's not that hard), you can run a separate VM for each profile.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;7415239]She makes more chatting online (with her clothes on) than she ever did doing any of her other adult entertainment activities.[/QUOTE]This blows my mind. Who are these clowns paying to talk to some clothed female online?? I would really like a deeper dive into the demographics.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;7415461]Christophe little bit harsh there man with the deceptive techniques you mention. HG, you, me and a couple others guys still kickin around this forum are the OGs of non-pros and sugaring. We've been around for a long ass time on this forum. Only difference is I had a different username back then.

Reading HGs posts over the years and how he negotiated with non-pros. I saw that it was a bit similar to my negotiation skills. Not exact but a bit more than a few similarities. And I would never call it deceptive. I'd say better a breakdown of money provided over time / meets versus only one large sum for one meet. Basics of quantity over quality kind of. That's just being smart and to me not deceptive. Deceptive would be something like the smash & dash. By either negotiating a monthly or weekly allowance to be paid at the end of the month / week. Fucking the girl all week or month and then not showing up to pay at the end of the month/week. Or the fake money in an envelope trick. That's deceptive, fucked up and being a straight thief.

And he's right the market is trash nowadays. For me a sugarbaby should always be 18 to 22, college age girls. They don't necessarily have to be in college but those ages. Maybe 25 to 28 max sometimes if they still have a great body and face. 30 somethings and above have no business being sugarbabies. It's a young honeys game. Non-pros on the other hand are a toss up. And you have to be open-minded on their ages. Because as Forrest said you never know what you're gonna get with non-pro ads. LOL.

So let's be cool with a fellow OG man. HGs been around since the beginning of our non-pro / sugaring shenanigans.[/QUOTE]I am sure there are guys that have been in the game far longer than me. I just happened to be the one to start this thread. And I didn't even take whatever it was that was said any which way. At my age I am just grateful to have any game and the ability to back it up in the FC when I can afford it.

[QUOTE=Chupacabra;7415955]This blows my mind. Who are these clowns paying to talk to some clothed female online?? I would really like a deeper dive into the demographics.[/QUOTE]The ages go from college students to retirees. Today some guy paid $$ to get a video of my girl farting (with her clothes on). Usually (in her case) it is some form of them being degraded. With either a story, a conversation or maybe they buy one of her videos. She does a lot of JOI, SPH, chastity and mind games. Sells a lot of dirty panties (. 5 each) that she buys for 2 dollars at the discount store. Or sometimes its just normal conversation about books or music.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;7415956]I am sure there are guys that have been in the game far longer than me. I just happened to be the one to start this thread. And I didn't even take whatever it was that was said any which way. At my age I am just grateful to have any game and the ability to back it up in the FC when I can afford it.[/QUOTE]But you have to admit it was a wild ride back then with the non-pros and the super cheap pussy we used to get and the quantity of girls available. I mixed in some sugaring back then. But the non-pros were so bountiful it really wasn't necessary.

[QUOTE=Chupacabra;7415955]This blows my mind. Who are these clowns paying to talk to some clothed female online?? I would really like a deeper dive into the demographics.[/QUOTE]This is not new news. We've discussed it many times in this forum. Social media has created simps / suckers out of every age and race.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;7416016]This is not new news. We've discussed it many times in this forum. Social media has created simps / suckers out of every age and race.[/QUOTE]Just lie to me and tell me that it's millions of thirsty indians or something. LOL I need a more specific target for my hate.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;7416012]But you have to admit it was a wild ride back then with the non-pros and the super cheap pussy we used to get and the quantity of girls available. I mixed in some sugaring back then. But the non-pros were so bountiful it really wasn't necessary.[/QUOTE]I think I remember you had some kind of approach where you give girls your card for photography sessions, or maybe it's someone else I'm thinking of. If it's you, how is that approach working? I'm thinking of handing out cards too, haven't decided what to put on it yet. .

[QUOTE=Chupacabra;7416041]I think I remember you had some kind of approach where you give girls your card for photography sessions, or maybe it's someone else I'm thinking of. If it's you, how is that approach working? I'm thinking of handing out cards too, haven't decided what to put on it yet. .[/QUOTE]My photography business card works about 50% of the time. Some girls are open to mild sexy photos and others open to nude photos. From there sometimes I fuck for free and some I have to open up to sugar.

But that's not how I primarily found non-pros. I already advised how non-pros were found in the non-pro thread. That's where I got about 80 to 90 percent of my pussy in those glory days. There were so many girls lined up. That I literally did not have enough time to fuck them all. So I had to prioritize which ones were the hottest and open to the most freaky stuff in bed. And with non-pros, who are basically a paid GFE experience just like a sugarbaby. Most of them are hella freaky in bed and want to sexually please you. Just like a real girlfriend would. So sometimes it would be hard to pick which ones to put on the roster / rotation.

My business card is not always just to try and find paid pussy. I use it mostly to break the ice with a girl in public. Help my pickup game and to mostly try and civie date. Most girls love to be photographed especially the cute / hot ones and more especially the young ones. So I always try and use it to try and civie date first. Alot of mongers can get jaded by always paying for pussy. And not remember how to approach a woman just to try and civie date her. Have to balance your mindset and approach. It's not healthy always paying for pussy. Plus as I've always said. The best pussy is free pussy.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;7416080]Alot of mongers can get jaded by always paying for pussy. And not remember how to approach a woman just to try and civie date her. Have to balance your mindset and approach. It's not healthy always paying for pussy.[/QUOTE]Right on, good advice. I just find women so exhausting and irritating, with their constant games and shit tests and unrealistic standards and expectations. I had decent game but now I have no desire whatsoever to even try unless I've had a few drinks and she's right there. It sounds like you actually enjoy or at least tolerate the female personality, I envy you that.

[QUOTE=Lexx1;7416080]Plus as I've always said. The best pussy is free pussy.[/QUOTE]It's NEVER free my man, you're old enough to know that one. LOL Good luck out there, thanks for the tips.

[QUOTE=Chupacabra;7416572]Right on, good advice. I just find women so exhausting and irritating, with their constant games and shit tests and unrealistic standards and expectations. I had decent game but now I have no desire whatsoever to even try unless I've had a few drinks and she's right there. It sounds like you actually enjoy or at least tolerate the female personality, I envy you that.

It's NEVER free my man, you're old enough to know that one. LOL Good luck out there, thanks for the tips.[/QUOTE]I feel ya on women's attitudes nowadays. Especially quite a few of the young ones. The whole "Me Too" movement fucked it up for men to just be MEN.

Oh and I know that my man. I've said that too before. That as men we pay for the pussy one way or another. But to clarify maybe I should say get it as cheaply as possible. LOL Sometimes I've gotten pussy just for having a great conversation with a woman. Or for a couple of drinks, dinner, etc. So what I mean is you're not paying for it directly. With the regular civie dating way. I sometimes refer to it as paying for it indirectly.

Hey everyone, Dave here, new SLN chocolate girl in Washington DC, her name is Wynter and she is 21. She is looking for someone to help her get to Los Angeles in a couple of weeks. She describes herself as super submissive and loves having her ass f*ed especially while being choked and slapped. She likes giving head and claims to have no gag reflex but has never been face f*ed. Likes having her ass fingered and tits sucked on when she rides, but her favorite is doggy with a toy in her ass. Not into 3 sums MFF, but she likes girls and will do a MFF 3 sum. She said she wants her toes sucked on while getting f*ed and a girl rides her face. Ok with BBFS. No word on allowance.

[URL]https://sugarlifenow.com/profile/Wynnie/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lexx1;7416012]But you have to admit it was a wild ride back then with the non-pros and the super cheap pussy we used to get and the quantity of girls available. I mixed in some sugaring back then. But the non-pros were so bountiful it really wasn't necessary.[/QUOTE]I can only recall one girl that I saw about 10 times and never paid even though I met her on seeking. I had quite a few M&G's that went unpaid that turned into a hot date. But those were mostly one off's. If I actually got a real NP there was always some thrill in being the first guy to pay her for sex. And where many guys liked to play the experience off like it was some civi experience so as not to offend or make the girl feel like a pro, I used to do the opposite and make her realize that is exactly what she was doing. I don't even practice my civi game and haven't for quite a while. Maybe had one true civi experience in the last 10 years. A 3 week fling with a married college professor I was taking a class from.

I have barely been in the game for the last 2 years since one of my old GF's followed me to vegas. We live in the same apt complex, like neighbors, about a one minute walk away. She is the only reason I have been able to keep my sanity on this desert island. I have gotten very complacent in semi-retirement due to hoeflation and diminished funds. But I am grateful I got to experience quite a long ride in the so called good old days.