Arrangement Reports

[QUOTE=EricLex;3876708]The girls on the site, not all, but most, are generally on the site out of curiosity. They def understand that most guys will want some action, but they definitely don't want to be labeled or feel like they are a p4 p gal. This can be a little frustrating when trying to negotiate rates to get your monies worth.

However, there is an upside to this: sometimes, you can get laid for free. These girls don't want to feel like a hooker but are definitely on the site for monetary gain. The way they get it has to be structured in such a way that they generally feel the money is for their amazing character, even if we don't give a damn about what comes out of their mouth only what they can do with it. This isn't always the case, as there are plenty of open-minded girls who definitely take the business approach to justify what they do behind closed doors for money.

All in all, we have to understand that women in general go by how they feel, not what makes logical sense. If you can make them feel like the interaction between the 2 of you is a little more personal than transactional, you'll have a better understanding of them mentally. Don't forget the hobby rules to prevent you from getting scammed and have fun. You might get lucky for absolutely free, just like I have and plenty other mongers on the site.[/QUOTE]My point is payment is payment, it is really make any different between paying daily, weekly or monthly, still payment to me. What she trying to tell me is if she take monthly payment then she is not a hooker, but if she take payment daily or per meet then she is a hooker, WTF it's same to me., it have nothing to do with curiosity or not

[QUOTE=RidingOneUp;3876613][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8d614cc7-be33-477b-b58a-ebfe77e6d384[/URL]

Looking for 1500/ min per month but will start out at 300 ppm for a couple months. Spent some time with her and it didn't click for me. Nice enough girl, attractive. Something just seemed off.[/QUOTE]I agree 300 is alot for her, beside she is too big and too old for me, likely be older and bigger in real person, but other guys like bigger and older women, so who knows, there are always a type of women for other guys out there.

[QUOTE=EricLex;3876708]The girls on the site, not all, but most, are generally on the site out of curiosity. They def understand that most guys will want some action, but they definitely don't want to be labeled or feel like they are a p4 p gal. This can be a little frustrating when trying to negotiate rates to get your monies worth.

However, there is an upside to this: sometimes, you can get laid for free. These girls don't want to feel like a hooker but are definitely on the site for monetary gain. The way they get it has to be structured in such a way that they generally feel the money is for their amazing character, even if we don't give a damn about what comes out of their mouth only what they can do with it. This isn't always the case, as there are plenty of open-minded girls who definitely take the business approach to justify what they do behind closed doors for money.

All in all, we have to understand that women in general go by how they feel, not what makes logical sense. If you can make them feel like the interaction between the 2 of you is a little more personal than transactional, you'll have a better understanding of them mentally. Don't forget the hobby rules to prevent you from getting scammed and have fun. You might get lucky for absolutely free, just like I have and plenty other mongers on the site.[/QUOTE]Not disagreeing with you, but note there are also a bunch of pros on SA posing as innocent sugar babies. This is really lame of them to do that and lie- they should just stick to other websites. The whole point of the sugar baby site- at least in my warped line of thinking, is to get the girl next door that isn't banging every guy in the county. If I wanted to see a pro I'd go see a pro.

[QUOTE=EricLex;3876708]The girls on the site, not all, but most, are generally on the site out of curiosity. They def understand that most guys will want some action, but they definitely don't want to be labeled or feel like they are a p4 p gal. This can be a little frustrating when trying to negotiate rates to get your monies worth.

However, there is an upside to this: sometimes, you can get laid for free. These girls don't want to feel like a hooker but are definitely on the site for monetary gain. The way they get it has to be structured in such a way that they generally feel the money is for their amazing character, even if we don't give a damn about what comes out of their mouth only what they can do with it. This isn't always the case, as there are plenty of open-minded girls who definitely take the business approach to justify what they do behind closed doors for money.

All in all, we have to understand that women in general go by how they feel, not what makes logical sense. If you can make them feel like the interaction between the 2 of you is a little more personal than transactional, you'll have a better understanding of them mentally. Don't forget the hobby rules to prevent you from getting scammed and have fun. You might get lucky for absolutely free, just like I have and plenty other mongers on the site.[/QUOTE]Idk, I guess anything is possible, maybe a 21 years old playboy model is curious about have sex with a 50 years old asian guy will go on SA and contact me and want to have sex with me for free, it possible but I think I have a better chance winning the Mega and Power balls lotto 10 times before that happen.

[QUOTE=Jaster191;3876711]Thanks for all the tips again guys.

One more question: when paying do you just pay with cash right when the date starts? Or after? This is for first time meeting I imagine after you could just do PayPal or something.

One girl wants $500 per meet. I asked her what would happen during a meet and this was her response:

Well in the past we do things like get drinks, dinner, and then whatever we wanted to do. If we had a connection we could go back to your place or a hotel and get to know each other more.

I was thinking about telling her that I didn't mind giving her $200 at the start then if I have a good time at the end of the night giving her another $200. What do you guys think? How would this work logistically?[/QUOTE]I have never had to pay a SB upfront. This is what a pro does. And if she insisted I would suggest to her that this makes you feel like she's a pro and that's not what you're looking for. You sure are planning this out to every last detail. Meet for coffee. Don't give money upfront. If she wants allowance then there has to be some consideration. It's a legal term.

[QUOTE=Jayp80;3876718]Cropped photos can be reversed image searched so everyone taking this approach should make sure you're not using that full picture elsewhere. Just making sure everyone is aware.[/QUOTE]I've covered this in an earlier post. My cropped photo is on a social media site where is is not cropped. Plausible deniability. Anyone can get my picture online. I don't have anything that I need to hide as I have no SO per se. I just like my privacy and there are some associates that might not understand.

[QUOTE=Pal5600;3876910]I agree 300 is alot for her, beside she is too big and too old for me, likely be older and bigger in real person, but other guys like bigger and older women, so who knows, there are always a type of women for other guys out there.[/QUOTE]She looks huge to me. Evert full length she is hiding her belly. And yes, probably a lot bigger in person.

[QUOTE=Chicago41;3876672]I'm starting to figure out a lot of the people on SA are just plain old time wasters. I've had three good meetups, but at least 3/4 of the girls I contact either ignore me or respond with like a 5-word sentence. Most that respond just end up ghosting. Like someone said below, plenty of antisocial creeps making fake profiles, plenty of girls on there just messing around too. And a lot of GPS. I probably won't renew. I specifically joined this to meet 18-19 year olds and they're all flaky as hell on that site. I don't know how you guys have the patience for it. The ones I've met have been 30's and up and great. I'd rather bone a hot 30-year-old who knows what she's doing than waste time trying to hook up with these young flakes.[/QUOTE]I get where you would think there are a bunch of time wasters. I think the 18-19 demographic in general are flighty. SA is just a microcosm of real life. How many girls would you date before you found a keeper? The other thing is like us they might have 5-10 or more conversations going at one time. She finds what she wants and ghosts. That just means she was looking for something long term and she got a better offer. I get it totally. I've met with girls and done all but fuck in the car and the next day they ghost. Who knows what happened. I just move on. You cann't dwell on the lost ones when there's so many more to chose from. And as far as age preference that's totally subjective. I'm 60 and I can still pull 30 year olds in the real world. What I can't pull is a 18-19 year old. It would be very unlikely that there would be a place where we could meet and I could start putting on the moves. A 30 year oldis a different story. I personally prefer the innocence of the 18-19 year olds. Again. I like to train them. Very subjective.

Did anyone meet up these? I am in conversations with each one but no light at the other end of the pipe.

She does respond but did not commit to meetup or anything yet. Still going on.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1d37c42a-e088-4eac-841b-dc2a963d0c20[/URL]

Some messages exchanged and looking more chatty. Anyone tried her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c841d571-b1b7-41de-8aa1-98ce9afb342b[/URL]

Only messages exchanged so far. LOL. Anyone tried her and any reason to be chatting more?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a7484986-000d-4360-80b4-2ae12663981b[/URL]

Ready to meet but she dropped two times for some reason. Ready for the third attempt. Anyone met her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3ce3af28-0424-4c16-8c66-42fdb8259aaf[/URL]

Messages exchanged and planned to meet for coffee. But she dropped. Trying 2nd time.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8e1a09f0-1c17-4456-8bab-d24c027686d4[/URL]

I am ont sure if I am spending too much time on each one but that's just me as I feel these are real profiles. Trying not to rush. I will share any success but let me know if I am off. Messages exchanged have been mostly about stuff happening in life but there were some topics about arrangement and why we are on SA. Etc.

I dropped below due to high allowance rates or suspicion. There were others like this but their profiles are off SA.

Quoted 400 for PPM.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/71a7d27a-818d-4232-a3c4-907b8cabdc15[/URL]

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3877089]I've covered this in an earlier post. My cropped photo is on a social media site where is is not cropped. Plausible deniability. Anyone can get my picture online. I don't have anything that I need to hide as I have no SO per se. I just like my privacy and there are some associates that might not understand.[/QUOTE]There are people on the board with varing levels of tech sophistication just wanted to prevent any possible issues for someone. Believe me there is at least one person on the board that was surprised by that fact. Was more of a blanket FYI.

[QUOTE=Jaster191;3876711]

I was thinking about telling her that I didn't mind giving her $200 at the start then if I have a good time at the end of the night giving her another $200. What do you guys think? How would this work logistically?[/QUOTE]That's a bad idea. You are paying her $200 to have drinks with you and she could theoretically just walk after drinks. Many girls will do this. They get cash in hand and don't have to sleep with you. You want to meet, feel each other out, if it's a go then you head off for private time, then you pay her. Cash is best for meetings early on, you can lay it out somewhere visible so she knows it's there. Once you develop trust you can do PayPal or Zelle transfers if you want. I just stick to cash all the time though so there's no paper trail.

Don't give into their tactics. They will have lunch, dinner or cocktails with you and get the famous phonecall that her friend is in the hospital. LOL! I have a few SA friends that get pulled in by these girls with that craziness. Always remember from a position of power. In essence, that's what they are really wanting. A SD that has the power to control everything. That also includes how, when and how much. Enjoy and be safe.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3877099]I get where you would think there are a bunch of time wasters. I think the 18-19 demographic in general are flighty. SA is just a microcosm of real life. How many girls would you date before you found a keeper? The other thing is like us they might have 5-10 or more conversations going at one time. She finds what she wants and ghosts. That just means she was looking for something long term and she got a better offer. I get it totally. I've met with girls and done all but fuck in the car and the next day they ghost. Who knows what happened. I just move on. You cann't dwell on the lost ones when there's so many more to chose from. And as far as age preference that's totally subjective. I'm 60 and I can still pull 30 year olds in the real world. What I can't pull is a 18-19 year old. It would be very unlikely that there would be a place where we could meet and I could start putting on the moves. A 30 year oldis a different story. I personally prefer the innocence of the 18-19 year olds. Again. I like to train them. Very subjective.[/QUOTE]FruitNinja, I like your posts. I feel we have the same taste. I don't play the arrangement game here in the states, but I do in Ukraine. Monthly wages in that country are less then 200 and normal girls are forced to seek out relationships, often times with multiple guys. I think most young girls here are either flakes or addicts and I don't like the risks. I just want to mention the power of father figures with some of the younger girls that often times come from some pretty fucked up families. It's true we can't pull college girls out of clubs, but we do have distinct advantages over useless young and pretty boys just looking for fun. Of Charlie recently posted something I feel was kind of inaccurate about the sixty year old guy and the 20 year old hottie. My tip to older guys is to embrace father figure. They won't ever love you, but they will need and respect you.

I could write a book on how to play papa figure, but it mostly comes down to respect and support. Be clean, stay in shape, and show yourself as a proper role model.

[QUOTE=Riina;3877825]FruitNinja, I like your posts. I feel we have the same taste. I don't play the arrangement game here in the states, but I do in Ukraine. Monthly wages in that country are less then 200 and normal girls are forced to seek out relationships, often times with multiple guys. I think most young girls here are either flakes or addicts and I don't like the risks. I just want to mention the power of father figures with some of the younger girls that often times come from some pretty fucked up families. It's true we can't pull college girls out of clubs, but we do have distinct advantages over useless young and pretty boys just looking for fun. Of Charlie recently posted something I feel was kind of inaccurate about the sixty year old guy and the 20 year old hottie. My tip to older guys is to embrace father figure. They won't ever love you, but they will need and respect you.

I could write a book on how to play papa figure, but it mostly comes down to respect and support. Be clean, stay in shape, and show yourself as a proper role model.[/QUOTE]I was trying to say it's hard to pull it off, not impossible but hard. You won't have a chance to put on your move if you can't even get the girl to message you back in the first place. Just like I have age as one of my filters, some girls also have age filter.

Yes, I agree a lot of girls are looking for father figure, but given a choice between a 50 yr old guy and a 60 yr old guy, my bet is that girls will go for the 50 yr old guy over the 60 yr old guy all else being equal as far as looks, income, net worth. This is from speaking to a couple of 60+ yr old guys.

Look below the link for my comments.

[QUOTE=ArielDude28;3877160]Did anyone meet up these? I am in conversations with each one but no light at the other end of the pipe.

She does respond but did not commit to meetup or anything yet. Still going on.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1d37c42a-e088-4eac-841b-dc2a963d0c20[/URL]

After a certain time you need to cut and run. Looks kinda big to me. Not at all what I'm into.

Some messages exchanged and looking more chatty. Anyone tried her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c841d571-b1b7-41de-8aa1-98ce9afb342b[/URL]

" I'd love to talk and get to know each other for a while before meeting. Looking forward to speaking!" This is a long term with no possibility it will pay off. It's your time.

Only messages exchanged so far. LOL. Anyone tried her and any reason to be chatting more?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a7484986-000d-4360-80b4-2ae12663981b[/URL]

This one lists Platonic. Why would you try for this?

Ready to meet but she dropped two times for some reason. Ready for the third attempt. Anyone met her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3ce3af28-0424-4c16-8c66-42fdb8259aaf[/URL]

Looks chunky to me.

Messages exchanged and planned to meet for coffee. But she dropped. Trying 2nd time.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8e1a09f0-1c17-4456-8bab-d24c027686d4[/URL]

"I'm open to new things and I'm always available to have a conversation about anything" and "Everything depends" would lead me to stay away.

I am ont sure if I am spending too much time on each one but that's just me as I feel these are real profiles. Trying not to rush. I will share any success but let me know if I am off. Messages exchanged have been mostly about stuff happening in life but there were some topics about arrangement and why we are on SA. Etc.

I dropped below due to high allowance rates or suspicion. There were others like this but their profiles are off SA.

Quoted 400 for PPM.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/71a7d27a-818d-4232-a3c4-907b8cabdc15[/URL][/QUOTE]"I am splitting time between working on my startup, school, and a job!" Good luck getting her to make time for you.

I will say it again. You need to look for clues in the profile. Read between the lines. If they are looking for "Platonic" what makes you think you can change that? Why waste your time on trying to change her while there are 100's of girls that are looking for what you're looking for. If they complain how busy they are, why bother. She's not going to make time for you and if she does it will be a lot of work and money to get to that place.

JMHO.