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Not sure this is the right sub-forum for this, but here goes:

What is the price of sex? If you were to pay for a sexual experience or service of some kind--hypothetically, of course, as it's illegal--what factors would contribute to your spending? Hotness of the girl (s)? Nature of the act? Do you have any preconceived price points build into your mental calculus, or do you just sorta wing it? What are the major sectors of the sex economy (SW, strip clubs, BP, CL, etc. , etc.), and what are the tiers? Trying to start an open-ended convo, and I hope someone will chime in with something, or at least tell me why it's a stupid question.

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[QUOTE=LecherousMonk;3383771]Not sure this is the right sub-forum for this, but here goes:

What is the price of sex? If you were to pay for a sexual experience or service of some kind--hypothetically, of course, as it's illegal--what factors would contribute to your spending? Hotness of the girl (s)? Nature of the act? Do you have any preconceived price points build into your mental calculus, or do you just sorta wing it? What are the major sectors of the sex economy (SW, strip clubs, BP, CL, etc. , etc.), and what are the tiers? Trying to start an open-ended convo, and I hope someone will chime in with something, or at least tell me why it's a stupid question.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LecherousMonk;3383771]Not sure this is the right sub-forum for this, but here goes:

What is the price of sex? If you were to pay for a sexual experience or service of some kind--hypothetically, of course, as it's illegal--what factors would contribute to your spending? Hotness of the girl (s)? Nature of the act? Do you have any preconceived price points build into your mental calculus, or do you just sorta wing it? What are the major sectors of the sex economy (SW, strip clubs, BP, CL, etc. , etc.), and what are the tiers? Trying to start an open-ended convo, and I hope someone will chime in with something, or at least tell me why it's a stupid question.[/QUOTE]Hotness and the experience. If I can say to myself - "I can't believe I am fucking this babe" - I feel like it has been money well spent. Not sure if I answered the question you are asking, but I try to use this as a guiding principle. Of course sometimes a "babe" is not available, and so I settle. In those situations I find I often am driving home asking myself why the fuck did I do that? Am I the only one who has experienced buyers remorse?

[QUOTE=Cherny;3385066]Hotness and the experience. If I can say to myself - "I can't believe I am fucking this babe" - I feel like it has been money well spent. Not sure if I answered the question you are asking, but I try to use this as a guiding principle. Of course sometimes a "babe" is not available, and so I settle. In those situations I find I often am driving home asking myself why the fuck did I do that? Am I the only one who has experienced buyers remorse?[/QUOTE]Sadly you are not.

[QUOTE=LittleToNoThin;3385369]Sadly you are not.[/QUOTE]Happens to me as well, generally the more rushed or businesslike it is the less likely I am to return. I've also been with someone super hot who manages to kill things with poor attitude.

[QUOTE=LecherousMonk;3383771]Not sure this is the right sub-forum for this, but here goes:

What is the price of sex? If you were to pay for a sexual experience or service of some kind--hypothetically, of course, as it's illegal--what factors would contribute to your spending? Hotness of the girl (s)? Nature of the act? Do you have any preconceived price points build into your mental calculus, or do you just sorta wing it? What are the major sectors of the sex economy (SW, strip clubs, BP, CL, etc. , etc.), and what are the tiers? Trying to start an open-ended convo, and I hope someone will chime in with something, or at least tell me why it's a stupid question.[/QUOTE]Starting with a basic assumption that she is at least decent looking with a decent bod, what I value is a level of connection, after all, you are being intimate. I'm not saying it needs to be GFE because you will certainly pay up for that. However nice conversation, eye contact, and some sense that she is happy you are there, are strong factors for me. And I also value knowing what I'm getting for the stated contribution. I can't stand unexpected upselling and significantly shorting me on time. I like repeating with providers and if the session goes as I just described, I will likely repeat.

I need some help guys. I haven't seen my all time fav UTR in a while. As I try to schedule an incall with her, she says she moved and doesn't work out of her new place. I haven't done outcall for fear of being robbed. Part of me feel that she may be starting to slip a little and are setting people up. What do you think?

[QUOTE=Midgetbowler;3406415]I need some help guys. I haven't seen my all time fav UTR in a while. As I try to schedule an incall with her, she says she moved and doesn't work out of her new place. I haven't done outcall for fear of being robbed. Part of me feel that she may be starting to slip a little and are setting people up. What do you think?[/QUOTE]Slipping or not, I have always played on the safer side by renting a cheap motel. The extra $50. For the room is cheap insurance on your belongings and the unexpected visit to your home at 3 am by her pimp or her baby daddy lookin to gets him some. Too risky for me.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Midgetbowler;3406415]I need some help guys. I haven't seen my all time fav UTR in a while. As I try to schedule an incall with her, she says she moved and doesn't work out of her new place. I haven't done outcall for fear of being robbed. Part of me feel that she may be starting to slip a little and are setting people up. What do you think?[/QUOTE]I have been doing outcall with girls for 4 years and I have only had one or two issues and that was me being new to the game or stupid. It isn't for everyone, but I have a nice security system that is very noticeable. One keypad is in my master bedroom so every girl that comes over can see it and many get to watch me set it before we get down to business. The same rules apply, have the exact amount on you, make sure nothing of value is around, especially in the bathroom, never pay any amount upfront, if she insists, set the money out in plain site but insist it stays there. The main thing is that this is your home and if things go south, the cops have to come to your house, so just remember that and the money is a small price to pay for keeping things quiet.

[QUOTE=LecherousMonk;3383771]Not sure this is the right sub-forum for this, but here goes:

What is the price of sex? If you were to pay for a sexual experience or service of some kind--hypothetically, of course, as it's illegal--what factors would contribute to your spending? Hotness of the girl (s)? Nature of the act? Do you have any preconceived price points build into your mental calculus, or do you just sorta wing it? What are the major sectors of the sex economy (SW, strip clubs, BP, CL, etc. , etc.), and what are the tiers? Trying to start an open-ended convo, and I hope someone will chime in with something, or at least tell me why it's a stupid question.[/QUOTE]That's a good question, and one I've been considering a lot lately. I've mostly done my hobbying outside of this country, I'm single and run my own business, but I still fear the potential legal repercussions of partaking in the hobby in this country so I tend to be a little cautious. I'm originally from the east coast, and while there I'd occasionally hit the AMPs or BP girls. But outside of this country, my experience is more frequent and varied. I've paid nearly a grand for a supermodel-quality Russian escort in London, and I've paid $12 for a girl in a sleazy local brothel in Peru. I'm a big fan of the German FKK clubs, until recently they were my favorite venue for the hobby. In those venues, for me it's mostly about appearance and how good I think she'll perform in the sack.

When I moved here, I was disappointed by the quality on BP. So many of the girls are drugged-up zombies and while some of them are somewhat attractive, the overall quality of the experience is lacking for me. I discovered SA almost a year ago, and it's become my favorite venue by far.

Looks definitely matter to me, and I'm very picky. I like tall, thin girls. I haven't seen a BP girl I'd sleep with even for free in quite a while. On SA, there are usually only a handful of active girls I'm interested in at any given time. Most of them I wouldn't consider seeing. But intelligence and the girl's situation matters too. I prefer girls who aren't desperate and who don't NEED to be SBs. I like the ones who are just looking for some extra cash to spoil themselves or give themselves a leg up in life. I've broken this rule a few times, but my general rule is that I only see legitimate college students. Most of the girls I've seen are intelligent, funny, drug-free and fun to hang out with, even aside from the physical part of the arrangement. They've all been 18-24.

I've hooked up with around 20 girls from SA so far. Some were one-time meets and some were ongoing for various amounts of time. Most of the girls I've met on SA got 200 per meet. I've never paid more than 300 and two of the best girls I've met didn't request any allowance, although I'd sometimes take them out to nice dinners, etc. Most of them have been truly GFE, we usually go on a date then have a few hours of fun. I've hooked up with a lot of them on the first date, but I almost prefer not to. I love doing a free meet and greet, then going on second date which leads back to my place for a few hours. The anticipation makes it even more fun.

I just had to cut a girl loose who I really liked. She's pretty, has an amazing body that is nearly perfect for my tastes and we connected very well in the bedroom, she was a true GFE. But her life was a mess and the drama was interfering with our arrangement.

I just met another girl who is a real pleasure. She's a responsible college student who just wants some extra cash. Her expectations were very low, I probably could have paid less but I give her 200/ meet. She always texts me back immediately, she has her life together and she's intelligent, creative and fun. And in the bedroom it feels very natural, not at all like a financial arrangement. Honestly to me she's worth a lot more, but she was very happy with the arrangement, so I'm hoping it lasts.

So to get to the question, how much I'll pay depends on a variety of factors. Appearance matters, obviously. But so does intelligence, personality and the general connection I have with a girl. I almost always do a meet and greet first, so we go out to dinner just like a normal date. Obviously, how we connect in the bedroom is important too, but I don't usually find that out until after we negotiate a price. But by getting to know them, I certainly get a feeling of how they'll be in the bedroom. And most of the girls I've met on SA have been very eager to please. I know they're in it for the money, but at the same time when you get to know them a bit before hooking up, it feels very much like a civilian hookup. There are some pros and semi-pros on SA, but many of the students haven't done this before. They are sometimes apprehensive at first, but they also really get into the sex in ways you can't fake.

Age matters too, there's something great about a fresh, 18-24 year old college student.

The specific acts involved don't play a huge factor when it comes to SA. Sometimes if a girl seems particularly kinky I'd factor that into the equation. But in general, the SA girls I've met are usually up for pretty much anything.

I don't have a checklist or anything, it's the combination of the above factors that determines how much I'll pay. It's mostly instinct at this point.

The Germans have it down to a science though. In the FKK clubs, sex is 50 euros per half hour which includes sex, dfk and BBBJ. CIM is 50 extra, anal is 100 extra. And it's all legal. Some of the girls are really beautiful, and they all walk around naked. It's something to experience. But lately I've wondered if it's all a bit too efficient. There's something to be said for the real personal connections you can find on SA. That's worth a bit more in my opinion.

If you asked me to recall my favorite experiences in the hobby outside of SA, the best would probably be the most expensive, that Russian escort in London was really special. Other than that, I guess I'd say a threesome in the German FKK club with two 20-year-old Romanian girls with thin, model-type bodies and beautiful faces. That one set me back around $250. A threesome in a Sao Paulo club was a lot of fun and cost around $300, and then there was the girl I met in a Manila nightclub who was free other than the cost of some drinks.

But SA has become my favorite venue, and spending more doesn't necessarily mean you'll get a better girl or a better experience. If anything my experience has been the reverse. I guess the ones who don't ask for as much either like you more or they're less focused on the money in general, so that leads to a better time.

[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;3406556]That's a good question, and one I've been considering a lot lately. I've mostly done my hobbying outside of this country, I'm single and run my own business, but I still fear the potential legal repercussions of partaking in the hobby in this country so I tend to be a little cautious. I'm originally from the east coast, and while there I'd occasionally hit the AMPs or BP girls. But outside of this country, my experience is more frequent and varied. I've paid nearly a grand for a supermodel-quality Russian escort in London, and I've paid $12 for a girl in a sleazy local brothel in Peru. I'm a big fan of the German FKK clubs, until recently they were my favorite venue for the hobby. In those venues, for me it's mostly about appearance and how good I think she'll perform in the sack.

When I moved here, I was disappointed by the quality on BP. So many of the girls are drugged-up zombies and while some of them are somewhat attractive, the overall quality of the experience is lacking for me. I discovered SA almost a year ago, and it's become my favorite venue by far.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for this post, LikeMFlat. Your sentiments echo almost exactly my own situation and feelings, except I haven't traveled much yet outside the country. I've been very curious about the FKK clubs and thought of doing that myself. My high end experiences have mostly definitely been worth it (with just a couple exceptions). I look at BP every day and try to give it the benefit of the doubt, but it just scares me anymore. I have tried SA twice but with no success. I want to ask you for your handbook on that place. I just could not sort out the wheat from the chaff there and couldn't find a single one I was attracted to that I didn't think was a BP-like girl or a scammer. If you feel like handing out some tips, my PM box is open and appreciative.

[QUOTE=ArtWater;3406706]Thank you so much for this post, LikeMFlat. Your sentiments echo almost exactly my own situation and feelings, except I haven't traveled much yet outside the country. I've been very curious about the FKK clubs and thought of doing that myself. My high end experiences have mostly definitely been worth it (with just a couple exceptions). I look at BP every day and try to give it the benefit of the doubt, but it just scares me anymore. I have tried SA twice but with no success. I want to ask you for your handbook on that place. I just could not sort out the wheat from the chaff there and couldn't find a single one I was attracted to that I didn't think was a BP-like girl or a scammer. If you feel like handing out some tips, my PM box is open and appreciative.[/QUOTE]Not sure how long you have been mongering but you should be able to tell a working girl from a civy girl. If you can't then there seems to be a malfunction somewhere. If mongering is all you have ever done then your going to have problems connecting with a regular girl. One of the biggest complaints of a regular girl on sa is guys don't know how to talk to them, treating them like a hooker. So opening lines like "How much" or yummy doesn't get you far with a regular girl. As far as advice go to the richmond sb thread and read. You will find various methods that seem to work for different people looking for different types of girls. With all the tutoring in the world if you don't have a good personality, game, gift of gab then all you will ever connect with is p4 p girls. Good luck with your research bu7 t remember all the tutoring in the world sooner or later your going to be one on one with the girl and its on you to complete the mission.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3406724]Not sure how long you have been mongering but you should be able to tell a working girl from a civy girl. If you can't then there seems to be a malfunction somewhere. If mongering is all you have ever done then your going to have problems connecting with a regular girl. One of the biggest complaints of a regular girl on sa is guys don't know how to talk to them, treating them like a hooker. So opening lines like "How much" or yummy doesn't get you far with a regular girl. As far as advice go to the richmond sb thread and read. You will find various methods that seem to work for different people looking for different types of girls. With all the tutoring in the world if you don't have a good personality, game, gift of gab then all you will ever connect with is p4 p girls. Good luck with your research bu7 t remember all the tutoring in the world sooner or later your going to be one on one with the girl and its on you to complete the mission.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback, but no, talking to them is not the problem. The problem is finding the GP without GPS, ha ha. Is anyone on SA truly a civy? It's not so black and white to me, but you made your point -- there are ones who prefer to be treated like a true civy. I think my problem is probably the same one I have in civy dating, I'm too picky. The straightforwardness is a plus for me, but not why I'm doing it -- I'm looking for exceptional, unique experiences that I wouldn't otherwise have.

I will be in Cbus next month on business and wondering if I might be able to get some suggestions. I will have a hotel room so outcall is fine, but also able to do incall. Looking for a sp that can give a great slow, teasing BBBJ. No bbw's but doesn't have to be a spinner. Age is not a factor but not looking for any butterfaces.

Any help is appreciated. You can reply here or send me a pm.

I know this is a touchy subject. I'm actually considering getting out of the hobby again; because, I'm watching my 4th semi regular to regular go down into the rabbit hole, probably never to return in 2 years.

I know most, as in the VAST majority have serious RX, mental and emotional issues, but it's really hard to watch a girl become a complete slave to her monkey and know there is nothing I can do to help. I know I really should avoid any kind of emotional attachment, but when we actually get along and even start to hang out before and or after sessions, when they aren't in the grip of needing to get well or so well they nod off. It's just tough to watch.

I think it's def time for me to take a break.

How do you guys handle it?