BBQ and fight thread

An alternate opinion.

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[QUOTE=GeoFisher;3158057]Hey mojo. I posted a reply to your question and a photo of LC's Lyric in the Penrose thread. Because I'm still a regular member I'm pretty sure admin had to preapprove my post which leads me to believe that I did not violate any forum rules with the post but for some reason Penrose deleted it. I don't know the guy but he must have had a personal reason for doing it. I'll restate my belief that the Lyric girl that Penrose is promoting is the same Lyric that LC promoted. As evidence of my belief I have reposted the photo that Penrose posted in his thread alongside the one I posted in Penrose thread. The one I posted was originally posted by LC himself in this forum.[/QUOTE]I know these post are kinda old but I would just like to clear a few things up. Both pictures are if me LYRIC. And like hc stated one of the pics were takin like a yr and a half ago. And it's a horrible pic. I'm honestly not even sure how lc got that pic to post. But anyways. It's most deffientaly not my mother! Kori prolly thought it was my mother because I just recently cut my hair short and my moms hair is short. Also before someone goes calling someone a heroin addict they should at least no who they are speaking about. I never lived in an apartment in Crestwood. You have me confused with Jamie. And yes I know kori but her and Jamie were besties. So all that info about me is 100% false. You have me and Jamie mixed up. Thanks! Xoxo.

[QUOTE=Goddesslyric;3256132]I know these post are kinda old but I would just like to clear a few things up. Both pictures are if me LYRIC. And like hc stated one of the pics were takin like a yr and a half ago. And it's a horrible pic. I'm honestly not even sure how lc got that pic to post. But anyways. It's most deffientaly not my mother! Kori prolly thought it was my mother because I just recently cut my hair short and my moms hair is short. Also before someone goes calling someone a heroin addict they should at least no who they are speaking about. I never lived in an apartment in Crestwood. You have me confused with Jamie. And yes I know kori but her and Jamie were besties. So all that info about me is 100% false. You have me and Jamie mixed up. Thanks! Xoxo.[/QUOTE]Since I'm the one that sent the pic to and spoke with Kori about you, are you sure your statement wasn't meant for me? If so I know Jamie very well, even been with her a time or two and I have also been to the apartment where Jamie lived at in Crestwood on more than one occasion and there's no case of mistaken identity so all that info is not 100% false. Don't doubt that I know more than what I'm writing in this post but I say live and let live. Do you agree??

I care not what you do in your life, but I do care about your sobriety. I may never like you or trust you but I will always hope that you stay sober because that achievement is paramount. So please don't continue to lie to this board about how you have truly "changed your ways". You, your sponsor, others on this board, others in your life and I know the truth because there is no humility in your post. Only the Star, the addict, hopefully a recovering addict not an active one, but one who still has very addictive behaviors. Make amends and then you will make believers of us all. Then I will move on.[/QUOTE]Stating a case then letting the crowds decide? You wrote your Homeric dialogue and stated your cases on her very succinctly. Let those who know her and read your posts on her decide. Otherwise you are beating a dead horse and that is NOT AT ALL LIKE YOU. Let her survive or go down the tubes on her own actitions and merits. JM 02 cents worth. Is she worth all this and if so for what purpose my friend? Not everyone can get the bigger picture.

[QUOTE=BigMack;3258476]I care not what you do in your life, but I do care about your sobriety. I may never like you or trust you but I will always hope that you stay sober because that achievement is paramount. So please don't continue to lie to this board about how you have truly "changed your ways". You, your sponsor, others on this board, others in your life and I know the truth because there is no humility in your post. Only the Star, the addict, hopefully a recovering addict not an active one, but one who still has very addictive behaviors. Make amends and then you will make believers of us all. Then I will move on. Stating a case then letting the crowds decide? You wrote your Homeric dialogue and stated your cases on her very succinctly. Let those who know her and read your posts on her decide. Otherwise you are beating a dead horse and that is NOT AT ALL LIKE YOU. Let her survive or go down the tubes on her own actitions and merits. JM 02 cents worth. Is she worth all this and if so for what purpose my friend? Not everyone can get the bigger picture.[/QUOTE]I would certainly hope that us mongers would know that you can't believe what most of these chicks write in this forum so don't you or FF allow yourselves to get upset over what she's saying because there's a good chance that her only interest is in protecting her income and nothing else. I've always believed that addictions is what sways most of these girls to start fucking for money to begin with and when one gets clean and is truly in recovery she will not want to be an escort anymore and will quit that too. As far as I'm concerned the fact that she is still an escort closes the case on NotKnown. To prove my point I know several girls that has quit drugs and everyone of them quit being an escort as well. Most of them has since relapsed and all of those that did relapse has started back fucking for money again. All the more reason why I believe escorts should not be allowed to post on here because we can't and should not believe anything they say.

[QUOTE=MojoGuy;3258558]I would certainly hope that us mongers would know that you can't believe what most of these chicks write in this forum so don't you or FF allow yourselves to get upset over what she's saying because there's a good chance that her only interest is in protecting her income and nothing else. I've always believed that addictions is what sways most of these girls to start fucking for money to begin with and when one gets clean and is truly in recovery she will not want to be an escort anymore and will quit that too. As far as I'm concerned the fact that she is still an escort closes the case on NotKnown. To prove my point I know several girls that has quit drugs and everyone of them quit being an escort as well. Most of them has since relapsed and all of those that did relapse has started back fucking for money again. All the more reason why I believe escorts should not be allowed to post on here because we can't and should not believe anything they say.[/QUOTE]Horndogs who are medically challenged / catheter in residence LOL strap ons have become the go to for us. We actually get bback with no STD issues and yes I take good care of my attachments so that doesn't happen LOL Mojo you are a straight up guy and that is the only way to be. For those of us not getting it at home we are thankful for most of the ladies who get down with us and give us what we need; preferably at a reasonable donation of course. I do agree that most, not all, ladies are hard to take at their word but then some of us have the same issue trying maintain anonymity. Have a good weekend MG and as always keep up the good info. Mack.

[QUOTE=BigMack;3258476]Stating a case then letting the crowds decide? You wrote your Homeric dialogue and stated your cases on her very succinctly. Let those who know her and read your posts on her decide. Otherwise you are beating a dead horse and that is NOT AT ALL LIKE YOU. Let her survive or go down the tubes on her own actitions and merits. JM 02 cents worth. Is she worth all this and if so for what purpose my friend? Not everyone can get the bigger picture.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoGuy;3258558]I would certainly hope that us mongers would know that you can't believe what most of these chicks write in this forum so don't you or FF allow yourselves to get upset over what she's saying because there's a good chance that her only interest is in protecting her income and nothing else. I've always believed that addictions is what sways most of these girls to start fucking for money to begin with and when one gets clean and is truly in recovery she will not want to be an escort anymore and will quit that too. As far as I'm concerned the fact that she is still an escort closes the case on NotKnown. To prove my point I know several girls that has quit drugs and everyone of them quit being an escort as well. Most of them has since relapsed and all of those that did relapse has started back fucking for money again. All the more reason why I believe escorts should not be allowed to post on here because we can't and should not believe anything they say.[/QUOTE]Some of you may think this is about the money, but the money is insignificant. This is NOW a matter of principle. Big Mac, I have no dead horse to beat, only the principles that I live by. Franklin Roosevelt once said "Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are". I continue on because of my principles and will continue until they are satisfied. My principles are simple "Bethani you can screw over all the others and get away with it, but for once I am the someone that will fight back!" So that's where I stand, it's really that simple. She has never repaid or made amends to anyone and it's time she has the pleasure of that experience.

MojoGuy, I agree with you almost completely. I know women in the hobby who are providers / escorts that are not on drugs. I can name at least 10 legitimate ones in Indy that are this way. Some of them do it as a true profession and some as a supplement to their main source of income. I even know a couple that do it because, like many hobbyists, they enjoy the sex and companionship without the complications of a relationship. So they are out there, but it is rare. By the way MG I'm not upset because I never believe anything she says.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3265618]Some of you may think this is about the money, but the money is insignificant. This is NOW a matter of principle. Big Mac, I have no dead horse to beat, only the principles that I live by. Franklin Roosevelt once said "Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are". I continue on because of my principles and will continue until they are satisfied. My principles are simple "Bethani you can screw over all the others and get away with it, but for once I am the someone that will fight back!" So that's where I stand, it's really that simple. She has never repaid or made amends to anyone and it's time she has the pleasure of that experience.

MojoGuy, I agree with you almost completely. I know women in the hobby who are providers / escorts that are not on drugs. I can name at least 10 legitimate ones in Indy that are this way. Some of them do it as a true profession and some as a supplement to their main source of income. I even know a couple that do it because, like many hobbyists, they enjoy the sex and companionship without the complications of a relationship. So they are out there, but it is rare. By the way MG I'm not upset because I never believe anything she says.[/QUOTE]Just seems that if a person wants to change and is ready to change she will In her case it doesn't appear she wants to from your post so why bother with her. People probably know her past from your posts and monger experiences. I applaud your attempts to get her to "change her ways" but that doesn't appear to be happening. Like you said it is the guys call as to whether they want to continue the pursuit. Have a good rest of the weekend. Mack.

[QUOTE=BigMack;3268178]Just seems that if a person wants to change and is ready to change she will In her case it doesn't appear she wants to from your post so why bother with her. People probably know her past from your posts and monger experiences. I applaud your attempts to get her to "change her ways" but that doesn't appear to be happening. Like you said it is the guys call as to whether they want to continue the pursuit. Have a good rest of the weekend. Mack.[/QUOTE]Helping doesn't include taking someone to their pharmaceutical supplier. Obsession comes more to my mind.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3268302]Helping doesn't include taking someone to their pharmaceutical supplier. Obsession comes more to my mind.[/QUOTE]You don't help anyone taking them to their "pharmacist" or local alcohol provider if they have those kind of issues also.

[QUOTE=BigMack;3268178]Just seems that if a person wants to change and is ready to change she will In her case it doesn't appear she wants to from your post so why bother with her. People probably know her past from your posts and monger experiences. I applaud your attempts to get her to "change her ways" but that doesn't appear to be happening. Like you said it is the guys call as to whether they want to continue the pursuit. Have a good rest of the weekend. Mack.[/QUOTE]Not everyone's memory is as unfaltering as yours. Many mongers memories are about as long as their dick and the lapse in memory is directly correlated with their next opportunity to use it. You are correct in the fact that I can't change her behavior, that is her choice. She's the one that says her behavior has changed by being involved with NA and having a sponsor, but her response shows a complete lack of humility and the desire to make amends, it was all about her. Thus her addict behavior is still very much present.

The reason I post is two fold. 1) I wanted to show the inconsistences with the post from Harley08 and her other supporters. I just wanted to make sure the truth was known. 2) My posts have influenced others on this board. I have received PM's from those that she has taken advantage of monetarily SINCE she quote "Changed my ways". I have received PM's thanking me for the reminder of her ability to manipulate clients.

Her pussy is good and there will always be those that will continue to pursue it, that is a mongers choice. If I save one brother monger from being cheated by her or another like her then my reminders are worth every character posted on this board.

[QUOTE=MojoGuy;3258228]Since I'm the one that sent the pic to and spoke with Kori about you, are you sure your statement wasn't meant for me? If so I know Jamie very well, even been with her a time or two and I have also been to the apartment where Jamie lived at in Crestwood on more than one occasion and there's no case of mistaken identity so all that info is not 100% false. Don't doubt that I know more than what I'm writing in this post but I say live and let live. Do you agree??[/QUOTE]Exactly Jamie's apartment in Crestwood not lyric. I never lived in Crestwood. And korie and I were never besties. We were cool but never as close as Jamie and korie were. I actually only hung out with korie a hand full of times. So yes maybe you should go back and read the post a few weeks back but it's clearly confusing I myself lyric with Jamie. I'm not understanding how all that was said isn't 100% false. I'm pretty sure I know we're I have lived in the past and you yourself just said you had been to Jamie's apartment In Crestwood when in the post a few weeks back it says I used to live in an apartment in Crestwood and like I said I never lived in Crestwood. And the pix were both me one was just old.

[QUOTE=Goddesslyric;3269704]Exactly Jamie's apartment in Crestwood not lyric. I never lived in Crestwood. And korie and I were never besties. We were cool but never as close as Jamie and korie were. I actually only hung out with korie a hand full of times. So yes maybe you should go back and read the post a few weeks back but it's clearly confusing I myself lyric with Jamie. I'm not understanding how all that was said isn't 100% false. I'm pretty sure I know we're I have lived in the past and you yourself just said you had been to Jamie's apartment In Crestwood when in the post a few weeks back it says I used to live in an apartment in Crestwood and like I said I never lived in Crestwood. And the pix were both me one was just old.[/QUOTE]I don't give a fuck where you have or have not lived and what I said is based on what another escort told me. As a monger I've learned to take everything escorts says with a grain of salt so as far as I'm concerned your word is no better than any other escorts. The original question was are you the same Lyric as the one that LC promoted and you have said you are. Case closed.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3269383]Not everyone's memory is as unfaltering as yours. Many mongers memories are about as long as their dick and the lapse in memory is directly correlated with their next opportunity to use it. You are correct in the fact that I can't change her behavior, that is her choice. She's the one that says her behavior has changed by being involved with NA and having a sponsor, but her response shows a complete lack of humility and the desire to make amends, it was all about her. Thus her addict behavior is still very much present.

The reason I post is two fold. 1) I wanted to show the inconsistences with the post from Harley08 and her other supporters. I just wanted to make sure the truth was known. 2) My posts have influenced others on this board. I have received PM's from those that she has taken advantage of monetarily SINCE she quote "Changed my ways". I have received PM's thanking me for the reminder of her ability to manipulate clients.

Her pussy is good and there will always be those that will continue to pursue it, that is a mongers choice. If I save one brother monger from being cheated by her or another like her then my reminders are worth every character posted on this board.[/QUOTE]You put out good intel and I know from past posts your heart is in the right place. No matter what the issue is of a self-depricating nature no one can be helped until they want to be. Behavior which is made with self-promotion ends only is not acceptable so keep on keeping on and have a good week / weekend.

[QUOTE=Goddesslyric;3269704]Exactly Jamie's apartment in Crestwood not lyric. I never lived in Crestwood. And korie and I were never besties. We were cool but never as close as Jamie and korie were. I actually only hung out with korie a hand full of times. So yes maybe you should go back and read the post a few weeks back but it's clearly confusing I myself lyric with Jamie. I'm not understanding how all that was said isn't 100% false. I'm pretty sure I know we're I have lived in the past and you yourself just said you had been to Jamie's apartment In Crestwood when in the post a few weeks back it says I used to live in an apartment in Crestwood and like I said I never lived in Crestwood. And the pix were both me one was just old.[/QUOTE]LOL, Hey babe. Good to see you on here. We never met last year when LC gave me your digits. Thought you might have retired after LC went dark on this board like Layla and Kortney and the other LC friends. Glad your on here. Seems like your memory is good when your not Deja club buzzed, LOL. Last year you told me you got fuzzy memories sometimes. Anywhoo, I love the new pics. Would love to take some of ya myself. <3 Please PM me sometime, and yes LC's pic wasn't the best, but I thought you were sizzlin!

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