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Here's an example of the kind of unsolicited offer you get from outside your geographic area on an sb website. These girls say they are in Russia and have PHDs or some shit like that and are also models. They want to come to the USA and be a threesome with their sd. I've attached one photo. I think this is a scam, but if you want to pursue, the girls' email is supposedly [email]nvictoriakh@gmail.com[/email] And their skype name is victorialovemila. Just don't tell them I sent you, please.
[QUOTE=Varoom; 1189146]Wow Mad. You are very patient. Over a year to close the deal.[/QUOTE]It's like farming multiple fields. I wouldn't take the time to prep one fields if I wasn't harvesting something from another. A man's got to eat.
Not that I haven't closed the deal on the first meeting a couple of times, but those girls were usually escorts on the side and it was much more of a business transaction. I like the idea of finding girls that are hot and not as easy to close the deal. If you work on it over time and develop some chemistry it can be a lot of fun. I do have to set boundries and let them know I'm married and not looking to change that.
I post about my dancer experiences here because it is much more like the SB relationship.
[QUOTE=Literal2;1189281]Vroom, do you ask multiple girls if they will do private parties on one visit to a club? Does management ever warn you off when you do this? When the girls say no, are they offended?[/QUOTE]Lit:
Out of all the girls in a typical place there could none or one that I might consider popping a relavent question on. This seems to occur after some mutual stimulating discussion and interest. I let them know that I am not a regular attendee of these type of places and won't be around much so if we are going to become "friends" then now is the time. Never had any issue from mgmt; not once.
Lets face it, all these girls need some help, in usually more than one area. The ones that need major help aren't a candidate for my program, I am primarily looking for someone that you could sit and have a half decent conversation with for more than a few minutes. Also never had a girl be offended at the question. I'm sure this comes up often for them and my guess is most guys are just too darned crass about it to get anywhere. I have observed many other guys in these places and just forming that opinion from afar.
I have had some success at offering business advice to one who was intent on opening her own business. So we make a trade; legal and biz advice for the use of some of her assets. She has gotten lots of info from me and it is the best option she has come across in a while since she has been able to implement the advice and get her biz going part time. It can be so much more than the Ben Franklins in your pocket, although that remains a big part of the program too, because w / o those the attempts would be moot. Just another angle. Varoom
I tend to think in terms of a scale. It's linear, so it really doesn't allow for nuances which we all know exist. On one end you have 'regular' girls and on the other end escorts. Perhaps something like this:
Regular-------Easy----Sl*t-----Gold Digger-------Sugar Baby-----Stripper-----Escort
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Some girls might be combinations of these, but it's a starting point.
Lit my view has always been that, where men and women come together and sex is involved, it's all prostitution. The woman is bartering sex for something she wants, whether it be cash up front, an allowance,"commitment", a roof over her head and meals on the table, whatever. The only difference is what the woman convinces herself is "OK" or "moral" or within the boundaries of her self-respect.
Many years ago I read one of those "How to pick up girls" books. Most of the book was bullshit, but one part of it has always stuck with me, and it kind of correlates to Spitfire's "scale line". The book documented that sexually there are 4 types of women: the Honest Digger - the woman who just loves sex for sex's sake, without any need to assign emotional baggage to the act; the Sexual Barterer - the woman who primarily sees sex as something to trade to get her physical, emotional and / or financial needs met; the Hung Up About It - the woman who has significant moral, emotional or psychological issues associated with sex, to the point that it significantly inhibits or prevents her from enjoying or even having it or it affects those other emotional / psych issues; and the Physically Incapable - the women with injury, deformity or condition that makes sex physically impossible or too painful to perform. There is some overlap in groups - a Barterer may have specific hang-ups against specific sex acts or styles, etc. - but in general the Barterers make up the largest group, followed by the Hung-Ups in a disturbingly large second place, third are the Incapables, and by far the smallest group is the Diggers. The book was written in the 80's, but I see no reason to think that classification system or the percentages have changed materially in the 30 years since.
Long long ago in a galaxy far far away, I was young, single, decent looking, and worked steadily as a performing musician in a fairly large metro area for a few years; it was a time when I never went home alone if I didn't want to. Out of the hundreds of women I've bedded in my life, I can say that I've known exactly 2 that were true Diggers. The rest were Barterers and/or Hung-Ups. It's an iron-clad fact that any woman you meet where sex is the primary determinate from the start will be a Barterer, but it's important to remember that she probably has Hang-Ups too. The trick is to determine as early as possible what her needs and hang-ups are, so you can cater to the former and avoid the latter.
I've known women who learned young that being a SB can be a career, and who had the looks and talent to pull it off (at least until the looks go, as they always do.) I've known women that really had been slammed with financial issues beyond their ability to cope, and this was their only way out without turning full pro. But most of the women I've known doing this are doing it because they have a Hang-Up: they simply can't handle money. They make enough to live on at their regular job, but can't make a budget and stay within it. The excuses range all over, but the bottom line is they have champagne tastes on a beer budget and spend beyond their means. When a girl is always pushing for more money or contacts you between regular installments because something in her life has blown up and she needs extra, chances are she's one of this type. This type is usually more trouble than they're worth.
Lit, I get those contacts a lot too, although none so far have been for a doubles tag-team. :) The ones I get tend to say they're from some city in the US but their written english has that stilted and sometimes tense-confused pattern common to eastern-European natives.
And absolutely, they're scams; the girls are probably interested in a situation where some filthy-rich SD will support them in the lifestyle to which they'd like to become accustomed, but you can bet that their primary goal is to get that US visa to get them out of the poverty they almost certainly face in Russia.
A few years ago,"60 Minutes" did one of their long-form expose's about the Russian Bride web-sites industry that was pretty illuminating. While some of these girls are honestly looking just for an American husband who will treat them well, many have ulterior motives. They showed the story of one girl who married an American, then convinced her new husband to pay for bringing her brother over and getting him a permanent visa. At which point she packed up and left the husband because the "brother" was actually her Russian lover.
She turns out to be a very small breasted girl which she talks about all the time as it embarrasses her.
I don't care all that much, variety is the spice of life.
She showed up on time at the hotel bar. After 10 minutes I said time was short and gave her the room number and I left the bar. She came up in about 15 minutes by which time she was totally bombed. What? How'd she do that?
One shot of tequila she said. More like a bunch of shots is my guess. Anyway, nice slim 27-year old hardbody. BUT. She doesn't like her nipples touched, doesn't like oral, doesn't kiss much. She talked a streak about how she didn't want it to be just one time with us and she's not a working girl. I just listened and said we'd both have to see how we felt afterwards.
She said ok and took her panties off."What I like is penetration," she said. I obliged. After a few minutes mish, she said she wanted it from behind. I flipped her over and continued thrusting. While I'm doing this she keeps talking between her gasps. At first I ignore her as I'm getting into it, but then I thought I heard her say "Will you fuck me and my friend together?" I said what? She repeated it. So, still thrusting away, I quizzed her about the friend who she says is blonde and beautiful.
I say how about next week? She says whenever you want. I popped and flopped over on my back. She kept talking about doing it with her friend."I'll call her right now," she said. No, call her later, if it works that's fine but I won't count on it, I said. She explained she's not a lesbian this is just a really good friend from her childhood and they do it from time to time. I said ok, sounds great. I looked at my watch. She said, did you buy this room (it was a nice hotel). Yes. She said,"Can I have the room for the rest of the night?" I said no, I don't know you well enough, you might have a party with 100 people and break everything. I'm going to have to throw you out now.
Her mood changed 180 degrees."Why are you so mean?" she asked."Where's my money?" Up to this point there had been no mention of money at any time. I gave her some sugar. She counted it twice. Then she left with pissed off look, staggering down the hall from the alcohol.
So I don't know what to make of this. Her hardbody is a good fuck but there's no foreplay or any of the things I love to do. She said she came, and she was squirming around and moaning a lot so maybe she did. But this business with her friend? I have no idea if she is serious or just talking out her ass drunk. Very weird. Good fuck though.
[QUOTE=Varoom; 1189363]Lit:
Out of all the girls in a typical place there could none or one that I might consider popping a relavent question on. This seems to occur after some mutual stimulating discussion and interest. I let them know that I am not a regular attendee of these type of places and won't be around much so if we are going to become "friends" then now is the time. Never had any issue from mgmt; not once.
Lets face it, all these girls need some help, in usually more than one area. The ones that need major help aren't a candidate for my program, I am primarily looking for someone that you could sit and have a half decent conversation with for more than a few minutes. Also never had a girl be offended at the question. I'm sure this comes up often for them and my guess is most guys are just too darned crass about it to get anywhere. I have observed many other guys in these places and just forming that opinion from afar.
I have had some success at offering business advice to one who was intent on opening her own business. So we make a trade; legal and biz advice for the use of some of her assets. She has gotten lots of info from me and it is the best option she has come across in a while since she has been able to implement the advice and get her biz going part time. It can be so much more than the Ben Franklins in your pocket, although that remains a big part of the program too, because w / o those the attempts would be moot. Just another angle. Varoom[/QUOTE]This sounds like a precise approach Vroom. Very selective too. Just a few girls to ask in each city where there are strip clubs. It's great you find girls you like to hang with this way. You must have good conversational skills and you're nice to give them useful advice.
As for me, I just like to fuck pretty girls who aren't worn out from fucking other guys. I like to chase them around a little bit, but I prefer not to have long conversations with them and I don't want them turning to me for advice.
[QUOTE=Spitfire; 1189404]I tend to think in terms of a scale. It's linear, so it really doesn't allow for nuances which we all know exist. On one end you have 'regular' girls and on the other end escorts. Perhaps something like this:
Regular-Easy-Sl*t-Gold Digger-Sugar Baby-Stripper-Escort.
-|-|-|-|-|-|-|
Some girls might be combinations of these, but it's a starting point. [/QUOTE]We could combine this with CWL's four types and do some in depth research with as many attractive females as we can find.
[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin;1189407]Lit my view has always been that, where men and women come together and sex is involved, it's all prostitution. The woman is bartering sex for something she wants, whether it be cash up front, an allowance,"commitment", a roof over her head and meals on the table, whatever. The only difference is what the woman convinces herself is "OK" or "moral" or within the boundaries of her self-respect.[/QUOTE]I think this is true in many cases but sometimes you run into a girl, like my truck driver sb14 last week, who has been a long time without sex and just wants a man to caress and penetrate her and make her cum.
[QUOTE]Many years ago I read one of those "How to pick up girls" books. Most of the book was bullshit, but one part of it has always stuck with me, and it kind of correlates to Spitfire's "scale line". The book documented that sexually there are 4 types of women: the Honest Digger - the woman who just loves sex for sex's sake, without any need to assign emotional baggage to the act; the Sexual Barterer - the woman who primarily sees sex as something to trade to get her physical, emotional and / or financial needs met; the Hung Up About It - the woman who has significant moral, emotional or psychological issues associated with sex, to the point that it significantly inhibits or prevents her from enjoying or even having it or it affects those other emotional / psych issues; and the Physically Incapable - the women with injury, deformity or condition that makes sex physically impossible or too painful to perform. There is some overlap in groups - a Barterer may have specific hang-ups against specific sex acts or styles, etc. - but in general the Barterers make up the largest group, followed by the Hung-Ups in a disturbingly large second place, third are the Incapables, and by far the smallest group is the Diggers. The book was written in the 80's, but I see no reason to think that classification system or the percentages have changed materially in the 30 years since.[/QUOTE]Interesting stuff. I never heard this before.
[QUOTE]Long long ago in a galaxy far far away, I was young, single, decent looking, and worked steadily as a performing musician in a fairly large metro area for a few years; it was a time when I never went home alone if I didn't want to. Out of the hundreds of women I've bedded in my life, I can say that I've known exactly 2 that were true Diggers. The rest were Barterers and/or Hung-Ups. It's an iron-clad fact that any woman you meet where sex is the primary determinate from the start will be a Barterer, but it's important to remember that she probably has Hang-Ups too. The trick is to determine as early as possible what her needs and hang-ups are, so you can cater to the former and avoid the latter.[/QUOTE]Damn. I should have been a musician. Hundreds of women. Very impressive.
[QUOTE]I've known women who learned young that being a SB can be a career, and who had the looks and talent to pull it off (at least until the looks go, as they always do.) I've known women that really had been slammed with financial issues beyond their ability to cope, and this was their only way out without turning full pro. But most of the women I've known doing this are doing it because they have a Hang-Up: they simply can't handle money. They make enough to live on at their regular job, but can't make a budget and stay within it. The excuses range all over, but the bottom line is they have champagne tastes on a beer budget and spend beyond their means. When a girl is always pushing for more money or contacts you between regular installments because something in her life has blown up and she needs extra, chances are she's one of this type. This type is usually more trouble than they're worth.[/QUOTE]Yeah I think this is about right. Thanks.
I think the less said to the girl about this aspect the better. I don't usually talk amounts to sbs in advance. When I give her something, I want it to be enough so she feels good about it and will want to see me again but not so much as to look like I have money to throw around or encourage her to think I'm going to support her. It depends on the girl, but when deciding how much I think in terms of giving her more than she would get if she became a SW or low-end escort.
Last week I needed fresh pussy. I contacted eight new sbs, fucking two by the end of the week. I declined to fuck one who was willing but unattractive. This week I've contacted five new sbs. So far only two have responded and nothing much seems to be happening. I think I'm homing in on sb3's vagina though, which I've wanted to open up for my pleasure since she sent me a photo of it last year. Now she says she'll meet me at a hotel in a few days. We'll see. Damn. This girl is a cock tease.
[QUOTE=Literal2;1190995]Last week I needed fresh pussy. I contacted eight new sbs, fucking two by the end of the week. I declined to fuck one who was willing but unattractive. This week I've contacted five new sbs. So far only two have responded and nothing much seems to be happening. I think I'm homing in on sb3's vagina though, which I've wanted to open up for my pleasure since she sent me a photo of it last year. Now she says she'll meet me at a hotel in a few days. We'll see. Damn. This girl is a cock tease.[/QUOTE]Sounds like SB3 needed a little time to settle in and get used to the idea. We can't push on a string.
One of this week's five newly contacted sbs (sb17) has agreed to meet at a hotel. She's a 30+ divorcee and her pic shows a killer body. We shall see. Maybe she'll disappear.
Meantime, sb11 has resurfaced. She has been fucking somebody else I think. She's a 23-year old college student, she says. She claims she now wants to meet. I said I'm too busy this week, how about next week? She's been back and forth with me for weeks.
As reported, sb3 is on deck.
I know a lot of you guys have your own successful systems and you are getting laid all you want. I post all this stuff for the other guys, the ones who have a hard time finding a non-pro to fuck. I used to be that way. I've posted how I do things and if any of you have tried what I suggested, or have developed a similar system on your own, I'd appreciate it if you let us all know if the system works for you too. This is a sex guide, after all. Thank you Jackson.
She says she wants to meet again. So I asked was she serious about bringing along her blond girlfriend. We'll see.
[QUOTE=Literal2;1191765]She says she wants to meet again. So I asked was she serious about bringing along her blond girlfriend. We'll see.[/QUOTE]SB16 may have just needed the liquid courage for round 1. Hopefully this isn't a pattern for her.
I'd say her contacting you seems quite encouraging that she is serious about bringing along her blonde friend.
You lucky devil. Bang them hard and often, Lit. Will be awaiting the tantalizing report.
Cheers,
Varoom
[QUOTE=Literal2; 1188718]Go through the set and find the girls you like best and contact them by email. Try to figure out what will appeal to them. It's ok to use a generic email but its best to add some words that show you have actually read the girl's profile. Send out a bunch of them at the same time so you don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Don't be afraid to follow up if you get no response at first.
Where your profile or "ad" comes in is that when the girls get your email they will look at it. It has to make them at least willing to communicate with you and not turn them off. How you do that is up to you but I've found shorter is better. Girls don't usually like direct talk about sex, body parts, etc. Inmo, at least not at first.
Most girls will ask for a photo in their first response if they have any interest after looking at your profile. I tried to avoid this but I eventually uploaded a couple of pix that I altered to make unrecognizable but which clearly show my age and general body type. The pix are in a private gallery that can only be accessed with a password.
When I give the girl a password I usually ask her a question that challenges her determination to enter into an sb / sd relationship. I find this makes her more likely to respond after looking at the photos. [/QUOTE]I changed my initial email that I sent to each candidate based on your tips. I soften it to make it less direct and added a portion that used words directly from her profile. I also starting sending follow up emails even if I did not get a initial response. I can report that I have increased my response rate and seems to be getting a better quality of response. Also some SB's that did not answer my initial email have answered my follow-up. Still can't say if it will help me close the deal but it has increased the pool of candidates which I'm hoping leads to more pussy.
[QUOTE=Coolhand2;1192615]I changed my initial email that I sent to each candidate based on your tips. I soften it to make it less direct and added a portion that used words directly from her profile. I also starting sending follow up emails even if I did not get a initial response. I can report that I have increased my response rate and seems to be getting a better quality of response. Also some SB's that did not answer my initial email have answered my follow-up. Still can't say if it will help me close the deal but it has increased the pool of candidates which I'm hoping leads to more pussy.[/QUOTE]There you go. I'm glad to hear this.
Mr Johnson is so close to fucking sb3 at last he is getting hard to control in public. Full penetration of this sexy little in heat female will finally take place within the next few days.
SB16 won't say anything about her friend coming along but confirms she wants to get fucked again next weekend.
SB17 wants lunch. I'll do it, but she needs a sd badly and I want to fuck the girl quickly so lunch will come with just a little sugar, enough I hope to get her to open her pussy before Tuesday.
SB18 confirms she will see me at my hotel this weekend. I have my doubts. Too young. Too easy. But she is a hottie.
SB11 has disappeared again. She may be a fake.
Thank you to the mongers who have offered to assist me find utrs in exchange for some referrals to my sbs. At the moment I don't need assistance. But I appreciate the offer.
Anybody try BeNaughty?
I made an embarrassing mistake, but since we're on this forum to help each other out I will share. I had been emailing with a potential SB and we agreed to meet at the bar of a hotel. I got a room at the hotel, met her at the bar, had a couple of drinks and chatted more about what we were both seeking. Everything seemed great. We went to the room and began kissing and chatting some more. She asked about the sugar which I gave her. She got up to use the restroom and bolted. Rookie mistake that I should have known better.
[QUOTE=Spitfire;1192879]I made an embarrassing mistake, but since we're on this forum to help each other out I will share. I had been emailing with a potential SB and we agreed to meet at the bar of a hotel. I got a room at the hotel, met her at the bar, had a couple of drinks and chatted more about what we were both seeking. Everything seemed great. We went to the room and began kissing and chatting some more. She asked about the sugar which I gave her. She got up to use the restroom and bolted. Rookie mistake that I should have known better.[/QUOTE]Care to Out her so us fellow SD's don't make the same mistake with her. Or at least say what site you contacted her from and what city. We can probably figure it out from there.
Thanks for reminding us of this scam Spit. Condolences. Better luck next time.
It's more a "classic" situation than a "rookie" one I think. I try to take only what I need into the fucking chamber itself and keep it in my pocket until Mr Johnson releases in the woman.
I did give one sb full sugar in advance and she denied FS. I walked out. She pleaded for me to return (I think this was sb5) and I did. I gave her sugar again but only after I fucked her pretty well. She was young cute and slim but dirty, drunk and smoked. She had a baby though and was broke broke broke. So I guess I helped her out some.
The girls have tales of guys who cheat them too. It's rough out there.
It is so much better to be a male than a female though inmo.
Interesting weekend coming up with three previously unfucked sbs, including two from the five I contacted early in the week. Chances of my fucking all three are maybe 20 percent. Two. 50 percent. At least one. 90 percent.
[QUOTE=Zman429;1192855]Anybody try BeNaughty?[/QUOTE]I haven't tried this, Zman.
It's a UK website, right?
I don't usually register for a site unless I know more. Are hot utr females from the US available on this site?
After many months waiting, today Mr Johnson finally had his way with sb3. She's put on weight since the pix, but she is another squirter. Satisfying but too demanding sexually.
SB17 and I had lunch, she's older than her pix. Nice woman and now she is clearly ready to be fucked. Unfortunately for her, I'm no longer interested. She should have agreed to meeting at the hotel where she could have appealed directly to Mr Johnson.
SB18 confirmed by cell today she will come to my hotel in short pump tomorrow. Can she really be so easy with her gorgeous 23 year old body and cute face. She says she is a college student. We will see. I still don't believe it. It would be great if she does though.
SMs pm me for contact info of Va Beach sbs I'm thru with.
CSB6, is a 5'7, 23 year old Hispanic SB that I had been communicating with a few months back. She had emailed me some pics and was very nice to look at. We were on the verge of meeting and sealing the deal when she got a job and kicked me to the curb. I noticed last week she was back on the site so I messaged her. She responded how glad she was to hear from me. To make a long story short she had lost her job and was on the verge of losing her car and would do anything I wanted if I would help her out. The amount she needed was less than a $ and after more back and forth I felt she was sincere. It so happened that I was going to be in her area today but no time for an extended visit. The old Coolhand would not have considered such a thing. (No pussy, no sugar) The new kindlier gentler Coolhand figured that a small amount of sugar might reap future benefits. But remember I had never actually seen her. I told her I would give her what she needed and we agreed to meet this afternoon.
She should destroy what ever camera took the pictures she sent because to say she looked better than the pictures is the understatement of the year. She was stunning. Tall, built like the proverbial brick house, with long black curly hair that went down her back. I gave her the sugar and said I might be able to get back for a few hours on Thursday. She told me that she would like that very much and no additional sugar would be necessary. When I got home there was a message that said that she now knew she could trust me and she wanted to make me happy. She said that if I come Thursday to just get a room because she was going to make sure that I would "fall head over heels." The thing is I had already lined up two SBs for Thursday that I was going to have to decide between. A 22 and a 34 year old who are basically 5'3/5'4 carbon copies of each other. The 22 year old just sent me a message about how much fun we're going to have. To top that off, I got a message yesterday from a 28 year old that now wants to meet.
The moral of this story is that there maybe something to this kindlier, gentler shit.
[QUOTE=Coolhand2; 1195234]CSB6, is a 5'7, 23 year old Hispanic SB that I had been communicating with a few months back. She had emailed me some pics and was very nice to look at. We were on the verge of meeting and sealing the deal when she got a job and kicked me to the curb. I noticed last week she was back on the site so I messaged her. She responded how glad she was to hear from me. To make a long story short she had lost her job and was on the verge of losing her car and would do anything I wanted if I would help her out. The amount she needed was less than a $ and after more back and forth I felt she was sincere. It so happened that I was going to be in her area today but no time for an extended visit. The old Coolhand would not have considered such a thing. (No pussy, no sugar) The new kindlier gentler Coolhand figured that a small amount of sugar might reap future benefits. But remember I had never actually seen her. I told her I would give her what she needed and we agreed to meet this afternoon.
She should destroy what ever camera took the pictures she sent because to say she looked better than the pictures is the understatement of the year. She was stunning. Tall, built like the proverbial brick house, with long black curly hair that went down her back. I gave her the sugar and said I might be able to get back for a few hours on Thursday. She told me that she would like that very much and no additional sugar would be necessary. When I got home there was a message that said that she now knew she could trust me and she wanted to make me happy. She said that if I come Thursday to just get a room because she was going to make sure that I would "fall head over heels." The thing is I had already lined up two SBs for Thursday that I was going to have to decide between. A 22 and a 34 year old who are basically 5'3/5'4 carbon copies of each other. The 22 year old just sent me a message about how much fun we're going to have. To top that off, I got a message yesterday from a 28 year old that now wants to meet.
The moral of this story is that there maybe something to this kindlier, gentler shit. [/QUOTE]Ha ha.
Let us know how you sort this out. It's a nice problem to have if you like pussy.
[QUOTE=Coolhand2; 1195234]The old Coolhand would not have considered such a thing. (No pussy, no sugar) The new kindlier gentler Coolhand figured that a small amount of sugar might reap future benefits. But remember I had never actually seen her. I told her I would give her what she needed and we agreed to meet this afternoon.
When I got home there was a message that said that she now knew she could trust me and she wanted to make me happy. She said that if I come Thursday to just get a room because she was going to make sure that I would "fall head over heels.
The moral of this story is that there maybe something to this kindlier, gentler shit.
(edit delete)[/QUOTE]Wow CH2, you must have mellowed in your SD old age; fronting gals sugar with no guarantee of penetration. This doesn't usually work but maybe you have found the one in 10, 000 that will actually deliver. I for one have had NO luck with advancing sugar even with gals that there has been a long standing track record of seeing them. Once they seem to be ahead of the game on you there is rarely ever a catch up provision issued. Hoping your situation with this SB is different. I guess a little bit of sugar isn't going to break you if it doesn't pan out. Good luck on it.
[QUOTE=Literal2;1194994]SMs pm me for contact info of Va Beach sbs I'm thru with.[/QUOTE]I've given contact info for one sb to an active contributor to this forum. I'll give out another in a few days.
I couldn't believe the sb who showed up at my door: just like her photos, a real college student, slim, fresh, smart. The firmest little body. The pinkest little giner. She did everything I wanted. She's way up there on my list of atfs. I had no idea I could fuck such quality pussy at this stage of my life. I'm going to savor this one for a while. Damn.
[QUOTE=Literal2; 1195292]Let us know how you sort this out. It's a nice problem to have if you like pussy. [/QUOTE]I think I'm going to go with CSB6. I talked to her today and she still seems full of gratitude. She said that now that she knows she can trust me she can let down her guard and just enjoy our time together. I'm just afraid that time will allow that feeling to dissipate. If I don't see her Thursday (two days from now) my next opportunity is at least a week away. Besides, I can't get the vision of that body out of my mind. I'm hoping I can get at least one of the two that I had scheduled for Thursday to hang in there til next week. I had put in a lot of time and effort (gentler effort) getting them to the point of meeting with an expectation of giving up the pussy. I sure would hate to see that effort go to waste. I just don't have the freedom of movement (or skill) that Lit seems to have to line SB's up for a landing (pounding) like an air traffic controller at Dulles.
[QUOTE=Varoom;1195413]Wow CH2, you must have mellowed in your SD old age; fronting gals sugar with no guarantee of penetration. This doesn't usually work but maybe you have found the one in 10, 000 that will actually deliver. I for one have had NO luck with advancing sugar even with gals that there has been a long standing track record of seeing them. Once they seem to be ahead of the game on you there is rarely ever a catch up provision issued. Hoping your situation with this SB is different. I guess a little bit of sugar isn't going to break you if it doesn't pan out. Good luck on it.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that as a matter of principal, it's a bad idea. It was the amount that was key. The old Coolhand would have stood on principal regardless of the amount. The new mellowed Coolhand decided that I would have spent more on a hotel room so take a chance. I can't declare victory yet because my johnson is still dry, but the indicators point to a dive into the deep end of the pool. I'll know in a few days.
[QUOTE=Coolhand2;1195600]I think I'm going to go with CSB6. I talked to her today and she still seems full of gratitude. She said that now that she knows she can trust me she can let down her guard and just enjoy our time together. I'm just afraid that time will allow that feeling to dissipate. If I don't see her Thursday (two days from now) my next opportunity is at least a week away. Besides, I can't get the vision of that body out of my mind. I'm hoping I can get at least one of the two that I had scheduled for Thursday to hang in there til next week. I had put in a lot of time and effort (gentler effort) getting them to the point of meeting with an expectation of giving up the pussy. I sure would hate to see that effort go to waste. I just don't have the freedom of movement (or skill) that Lit seems to have to line SB's up for a landing (pounding) like an air traffic controller at Dulles.[/QUOTE]Good luck Cool. Something that's changed for me in my approach and works for me is to focus on getting the girl alone, rather than all the other details. I didn't say anything about sugar at all to sb18. It was all implied. I just focused on getting her into the fucking chamber alone. With the "cool" style, you have to be laid back about it and willing to walk away. It helps having a few babes lined up as alternatives as you seem to be doing. Thanks for your reports, which I enjoy because I usually learn something.
[QUOTE=Coolhand2;1195600]I think I'm going to go with CSB6. I talked to her today and she still seems full of gratitude. She said that now that she knows she can trust me she can let down her guard and just enjoy our time together. [/QUOTE]Good luck with her! Any chance you could stay another day or two to pick up the others as well?
[QUOTE=Literal2;1195594]I couldn't believe the sb who showed up at my door: just like her photos, a real college student, slim, fresh, smart. The firmest little body. The pinkest little giner. She did everything I wanted. She's way up there on my list of atfs. I had no idea I could fuck such quality pussy at this stage of my life. I'm going to savor this one for a while. Damn.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you found a winner! Careful or you'll end up like me. Only wanting 1 good one.
[QUOTE=Literal2;1195624]Thanks for your reports, which I enjoy because I usually learn something.[/QUOTE]Au contraire, it is I who has learned from the Master.
[QUOTE=Spitfire;1195627]Good luck with her! Any chance you could stay another day or two to pick up the others as well?[/QUOTE]I wish. The Warden does not issue overnight passes. I only get 2-4 day-trips a month, with a 2-3 hour window to get into mischief. It adds a degree of difficulty when dealing with SB's.
Gentlemen,
What a great thread. I have gone back and read almost all the posts, and it has certainly been fun to read. I myself have dabbled in the SB world, but mostly without success. A few years ago I nailed a few girls based on ads placed on CL. In fact. I was 3 for three in nailing women I actually met. Two were one offs (although I would have seen one of the two again. She opted out) , and the third was an absolutely gorgeous girl who I thought was actually developing into a real relationship, but in the end boiled down to the cash (duh) not being enough, despite specific amounts never having been discussed. But she was smoking hot, and oh so worth it. It was a number of years ago, but I think she did three overnights, including one spectacular morning fuck that still lives in my memory because we woke up spooning, I penetrated her from behind after getting her wet, and slow fucked for about a half hour until I could not take it anymore, rolled on top and pounded into her until I popped. Just amazing. Found a picture of us the other day and it made me smile. Sadly, CL users tend to flag SD posts, even in casual encounters. Just a bunch of haters on there now.
More recently, I have been using an internet site, but with little to no success. I do not have a picture up, and invariably the first thing they do is ask for a picture. The communication then ceases, or they say "you're cute but not my type". And I am writing to almost every woman in my area, although admittedly the particular site on which I am active does seem to be very limited in terms of the number of women near me who fit my preferences. I have expanded my search to within a 5 hour drive, but the results have been about the same. A couple have emailed back and forth repeatedly, but after a while it became clear they were never going to meet me. Also, it appears that girls in DC which is nearby seem to think their cootch is worth more than ordinary women.
I have looked at SeekingA and SD4Me which seem to have more prospects, but I am concerned about the same kind of non-responses I am currently getting, and to be blunt, throwing good money after bad. I am not outrageously ugly, in fact one fairly hot SB from a free SB site is relentlessly pursuing me for a real relationship, but her baggage is to much for me to accept. And the local girls seem to be looking for young guys (which I find odd). Many post "no one over 40" etc. How many under 40's guys are looking for, or can afford a SB? I think a lot of these girls are dreamers.
I did wind up nailing one very hot chick from the site I am active on, but that did not work out well, and although she was hot, she was a smoker, and always had bad breath, plus again tons of issues (which seems to be a recurring theme with these ladies). But like I said, most of the others I met have been duds, and even getting a response after sending a pic is challenging.
Would it be fair to say SA and SD4Me have more, shall we say,"motivated" ladies? Any suggestions as to a good site would be appreciated.
As a side note, I noticed a lady on SA who is actually a FB friend of mine! I don't know her in person, but we have many mutual friends. I am sure she want way more than I am willing to part with, since she is a part time "model". I also had extended contact with a SB from a different site who it turns out is a porn star. She never told me, but some detective work revealed who she was. Sadly, she was in the "you're cute but not my type category".
Lastly, while on the subject of Facebook, has anyone else noticed the complete and utter lack of identity security that most of these ladies seem to have? Many use their regular email accounts with their names attached. And others use accounts linked to their Facebook pages. If you do not have a FB account, you are usually prohibited from seeing profiles, but if you make one, even if in visible, you can plug in e-mail addresses and find the person's profile, which usually has a full name and sometimes photos. And sometimes it can reveal if the lady in question is in a relationship, etc. Of course it is also how I discovered that a girl I was dating was cheating on me. So it's very useful. Even a first name and a city can work to find these girls. Many use their profile photos from FB on their SD pages.
Dr. Monger.
P. S. Has anyone here paid by money order, etc. To avoid a credit card charge? Also, SD4Me claims a 3 day free trial, but you need to give a credit card. It that legit?