Ripoff Reports

[QUOTE=RawlSocket;3922728]That is a good looking girl![/QUOTE]Yeah, until she rips you off. Put her out to the curb. We don't need this shit.

[QUOTE=TrippinTB;3922780]First, never part with your cash before playtime. If you do, assume it is a loss. If you actually get to enjoy playtime, consider that a bonus and expect it will never happen again. Use this approach even with ladies you have seen before. Conditions change and a good one can flip on you at any time. When she said she wanted to give it to someone for safe keeping, I would have told her that I'll keep it safe until we are done. If she balks at it, I tell her that she doesn't trust me, so now I don't trust her. I ask for my money back (saying I don't see ladies I don't trust) and tell her I'll leave. If she doesn't want to give it back, I tell her to give it back, NOW. Then, I leave with my money.

Second, always be prepared for things going wrong. Think through what you will do BEFORE you go in. Consider how you will handle potential cash & dash scenarios and what to do to block or counter-act them. What will you do if someone bursts in during session? What will you do if the provider does not want to fulfill parts of the agreement during the session? What about if she chooses to rush you? Everyone has their own approaches and tolerance levels for risk. When you read the forums (and I recommend doing so for cities other than your own) about fellow mongers' bad experiences, think about what you would do if it happened to you. It allows you to formulate a response plan that is consistent with your risk tolerance instead of reacting in the heat of the moment (and regretting it later).

Third, this lady stole your money and has not returned it or fulfilled her end of the agreement. Even after she refunds your money or provides service, you aren't "even". If you got that treatment from a hotel (refund your money later but can't stay here tonight OR keep your money and you can stay some other night), you would not be happy. So, additional reparations are needed to restore good faith in that hotel. This is no different. Deferred service or getting money back later still is poor customer service. Despite her "situation" or promises to make things "right", mongers are entitled (and I would encourage them) to steer clear until she demonstrates that she DESERVES to be trusted. I never advocate being cruel and hateful, but sob stories, promises, and tears are not "bankable".

Finally, here's how I would have handled the situation once she sent the text telling you she'd meet you in a nearby hotel. I'd immediately scour her room for any and everything of value that is portable. Then I would put it all in a bag (s) or pillow case (s). I'd walk out to my car and drive to a nearby parking lot. I'd then text her that it's no problem to meet at the hotel. I'd also add that I'll bring the things (list the stuff you have with you like clothes, jewelry, shoes, make-up, electronics, etc) that she asked me to bring before she left. Now, she has a choice to make. She can work it out where she trades the money for her belongings or ghosts you and has to buy new stuff. If she ghosts you, you can sell or donate the items to recoup some of your loss. One critical factor is the text to state she asked you to bring the stuff. If you have to deal with the police (highly unlikely), it's nice "evidence" in your favor to dispute theft. Also, if the room wasn't really hers (but someone she knows), you have "proof" she asked you to bring the things to her at the hotel. If her friend contacts you about her stuff, tell her friend she can have them back for your donation amount or to get the money from the cash & dash thief. Remember, stay calm and maintain the upper hand.

Hope some of you find this helpful.

TrippinTB.[/QUOTE]Fantastic advice but the last paragraph and what you would do just sucks you further into drama, involves what could be perceived as criminal acts, and places you at personal and legal risk. If I have to physically confront someone or if the police or lawyers have to get involved, I consider that a losing outcome. When things go that sour, escape and evade make more sense.

[QUOTE=BooRadley72;3923077]Fantastic advice but the last paragraph and what you would do just sucks you further into drama, involves what could be perceived as criminal acts, and places you at personal and legal risk. If I have to physically confront someone or if the police or lawyers have to get involved, I consider that a losing outcome. When things go that sour, escape and evade make more sense.[/QUOTE]Sometimes you are the windshield other times the bug. Just cut your loses and move on, don's look back. You win some, lose some.

Well, she says she's leaving town because she's been blacklisted and isn't getting any calls. Hotels are impossible this week.

I haven't got my money or been compensated alternatively!! So lose-lose!!

[QUOTE=TommyMke;3923717]Well, she says she's leaving town because she's been blacklisted and isn't getting any calls. Hotels are impossible this week.

I haven't got my money or been compensated alternatively!! So lose-lose!![/QUOTE]Once a scammer. Most of these girls are habitual liars, thieves, sociopaths. They know it, we know it.

[QUOTE=TommyMke;3923717]Well, she says she's leaving town because she's been blacklisted and isn't getting any calls. Hotels are impossible this week.

I haven't got my money or been compensated alternatively!! So lose-lose!![/QUOTE][URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/ready-to-have-a-good-time/315046222132[/URL]

[QUOTE=BooRadley72;3923077]Fantastic advice but the last paragraph and what you would do just sucks you further into drama, involves what could be perceived as criminal acts, and places you at personal and legal risk. If I have to physically confront someone or if the police or lawyers have to get involved, I consider that a losing outcome. When things go that sour, escape and evade make more sense.[/QUOTE]I agree. In the time I've been doing this, I've had three straight up ripoffs. And none of those amounted to anything other than the loss of the donation. (Which I routinely squander anyway.).

So, yeah, when I get ripped off my primary focus is on leaving safely without drawing attention.

[QUOTE=TommyMke;3923717]Well, she says she's leaving town because she's been blacklisted and isn't getting any calls. Hotels are impossible this week.

I haven't got my money or been compensated alternatively!! So lose-lose!![/QUOTE]Just goes to show the power usasexguide has to destroy the business of are. O. b. 's. Really sorry to hear you got nothing at all out of the deal after she promised to make it right. She really is a scammer. The least she could of done was a lousy car date for you. That would have been better than absolutely nothing. Probably could of been worse. You never know what you could be walking into.

[QUOTE=BooRadley72;3923077]Fantastic advice but the last paragraph and what you would do just sucks you further into drama, involves what could be perceived as criminal acts, and places you at personal and legal risk. If I have to physically confront someone or if the police or lawyers have to get involved, I consider that a losing outcome. When things go that sour, escape and evade make more sense.[/QUOTE]I understand your position and don't blame you for taking it. We all have different risk thresholds. Some seek to escape the situation as quietly as possible (minimize risk). There are times when I would chose this path. Other times, and ALWAYS based upon the evaluated risks, I choose to flip the script. This path is not for everyone. However, when ladies pull this kind of stuff and get away with it, they are rewarded. When they try it and it goes bad for them, they think twice before trying it with he next guy.

At the very least, escape quietly and report the rip off. This board can do wonders for educating the hobbyists and can create an informal boycott. When her business dries up, she has the choice to move out of the business or move out of the area.

Just like premature ejaculation is to be avoided, never go off half-cocked in your response to the situation. Be prepared and take action that you can live with.

Thanks for stating the risks in my approach, BooRadley. Open sharing of information and positions that differ allow us all to become more educated and successful in the hobby.

TrippinTB.

Dreamt about being in town for the weekend. Got in contact with a few, this one was getting back quick. Got the location, drove the block a couple times and parked. Waited, just curious as some of you scope it out first. Sure enough, I say "be there soon". Guy and boy walk out as she's talking to them, they go around the back of the house. Come back about 5 minutes later with a gardening / fencing stick. I got out of there but as I did, he looked and tapped the stick on the concrete as an intimidation move. The sad part is, the guy with stick was probably no older than 35 but the other one with him was a kid, couldn't have been older than 9. Stay safe 215.

https://liveescortreviews.com/large/madison/608-215-7584/1/149626?img=1

7584

[QUOTE=BigEmz00;3937529]Dreamt about being in town for the weekend. Got in contact with a few, this one was getting back quick. Got the location, drove the block a couple times and parked. Waited, just curious as some of you scope it out first. Sure enough, I say "be there soon". Guy and boy walk out as she's talking to them, they go around the back of the house. Come back about 5 minutes later with a gardening / fencing stick. I got out of there but as I did, he looked and tapped the stick on the concrete as an intimidation move. The sad part is, the guy with stick was probably no older than 35 but the other one with him was a kid, couldn't have been older than 9. Stay safe 215.

https://liveescortreviews.com/large/madison/608-215-7584/1/149626?img=1

7584[/QUOTE]Maybe the boyfriend just found out his chick is escorting. Had that happen once before, had seen a girl couple times and called to schedule a meeting. Guy answers the phone and went nuclear I mean completely nuts. Was going to call the cops and give them my number (burner phone). Tried to see her again but phone was toast. Guy with a stick might be looking to chase away and prevent anyone from seeing his girl. Could of been either one ripoff or jealous guy. And both could be a dangerous situation.

[QUOTE=BigEmz00;3937529]Dreamt about being in town for the weekend. Got in contact with a few, this one was getting back quick. Got the location, drove the block a couple times and parked. Waited, just curious as some of you scope it out first. Sure enough, I say "be there soon". Guy and boy walk out as she's talking to them, they go around the back of the house. Come back about 5 minutes later with a gardening / fencing stick. I got out of there but as I did, he looked and tapped the stick on the concrete as an intimidation move. The sad part is, the guy with stick was probably no older than 35 but the other one with him was a kid, couldn't have been older than 9. Stay safe 215.

https://liveescortreviews.com/large/madison/608-215-7584/1/149626?img=1

7584[/QUOTE]I talked to the girl in question 7584 and asked if she's ripping guys off etc. Asked about the guy and kid with sticks. She just broke up with this guy and he's kind of a psycho nut job I guess and his kid. Which kinda makes sense to me. Who robs people with sticks. From what she said she's pretty freaked out about the whole thing. No way would she rob someone for $ and risk getting arrested. She thought I was kidding her she thought it sounded like a cartoon story until she figured out it was the guy she just broke up with. Probably might be cautious if you saw her at night never know where the nut job could be hiding. If you call her ask for a description of him so if you see him you can bail. Hopefully he goes away I want to see her!

[QUOTE=HornyGuyLif;3937792]I talked to the girl in question 7584 and asked if she's ripping guys off etc. Asked about the guy and kid with sticks. She just broke up with this guy and he's kind of a psycho nut job I guess and his kid. Which kinda makes sense to me. Who robs people with sticks. From what she said she's pretty freaked out about the whole thing. No way would she rob someone for $ and risk getting arrested. She thought I was kidding her she thought it sounded like a cartoon story until she figured out it was the guy she just broke up with. Probably might be cautious if you saw her at night never know where the nut job could be hiding. If you call her ask for a description of him so if you see him you can bail. Hopefully he goes away I want to see her![/QUOTE]So she has talked to the ex-boyfriend he denies it was him. So she thinks is was her landlord because would have yard work tools. If she has traffic at her house he may think she's dealing or something and try scaring people off. Going to wait a little bit before seeing her. Hope she's cute as pics. Have no concern about it being a ripoff.

This is the same girl that wanted me to fuck her while her two kids were sleeping on the couch, and one of them woke up. She said she does it all the time and its not a big deal. Incall is a DIVE. Filthy old house that was carved up into multiple apartments. Was thinking of going back if the kids were not around, but sounds like its just too much trouble and find another girl.

[QUOTE=HornyGuyLif;3938647]So she has talked to the ex-boyfriend he denies it was him. So she thinks is was her landlord because would have yard work tools. If she has traffic at her house he may think she's dealing or something and try scaring people off. Going to wait a little bit before seeing her. Hope she's cute as pics. Have no concern about it being a ripoff.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tencan;3961033]This is the same girl that wanted me to fuck her while her two kids were sleeping on the couch, and one of them woke up.[/QUOTE]I haven't seen her. The way you describe it actually sounds kind of hot. I'd guess it's more like this: "She wants you to pay her regardless of the fucked up situation she brings you into. ".

I had a girl dash on me from her own apartment and left me in there. I dumped 2 laptops into a sink full of water after snapping the screens off them and trashed 2 TV's in the place. Ended up costing her a lot. More that she ripped me off.

[QUOTE=GMan25;3921275]OK, if I understand correctly, you gave her the donation (while at her apartment) and she leaves with your money, but you are now alone in her apartment? She then texts you and says meet me at this motel etc.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Tencan;3965969]I had a girl dash on me from her own apartment and left me in there. I dumped 2 laptops into a sink full of water after snapping the screens off them and trashed 2 TV's in the place. Ended up costing her a lot. More that she ripped me off.

.[/QUOTE]Wow that is intense LOL, but well deserved. Who was it?

I haven't actually seen her:

[URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/bombshell-partygirl-kat-avail/074036177695[/URL]

Thankfully she sent me a pic that showed some testicles near her bunghole. LOL.

Anyway, when you question her about it, she'll threaten to blackmail you unless you give her the donation. We all create our own reality, I guess.

[QUOTE=PopeyeMadison;3966196]I haven't actually seen her:

[URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/bombshell-partygirl-kat-avail/074036177695[/URL]

Thankfully she sent me a pic that showed some testicles near her bunghole. LOL.

Anyway, when you question her about it, she'll threaten to blackmail you unless you give her the donation. We all create our own reality, I guess.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised you didn't see that before. That ad / person has been discussed quite a bit with the "package" and then the scam, blackmail attempts.

[QUOTE=Tencan;3965969]I had a girl dash on me from her own apartment and left me in there. I dumped 2 laptops into a sink full of water after snapping the screens off them and trashed 2 TV's in the place. Ended up costing her a lot. More that she ripped me off.

.[/QUOTE]Finally a guy who got it right and actually punished a ripoff artist! You probably should of taken her computers and sold them to recoup the stolen money but I bet it sure felt good to get even with the scammer. Bet she thought twice before pulling that routine on the next guy.

[QUOTE=NobleRay;3970924]Finally a guy who got it right and actually punished a ripoff artist! You probably should of taken her computers and sold them to recoup the stolen money but I bet it sure felt good to get even with the scammer. Bet she thought twice before pulling that routine on the next guy.[/QUOTE]Unless it wasn't her place and she was staying at a friends or some guy she traded pussy for a place to crash.

[QUOTE=PopeyeMadison;3966196]I haven't actually seen her:

[URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/bombshell-partygirl-kat-avail/074036177695[/URL]

Thankfully she sent me a pic that showed some testicles near her bunghole. LOL.

Anyway, when you question her about it, she'll threaten to blackmail you unless you give her the donation. We all create our own reality, I guess.[/QUOTE]Umm, well if you look and read her STG ad you will know she is a TS.

[QUOTE=PopeyeMadison;3966196]I haven't actually seen her:

[URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/bombshell-partygirl-kat-avail/074036177695[/URL]

Thankfully she sent me a pic that showed some testicles near her bunghole. LOL.

Anyway, when you question her about it, she'll threaten to blackmail you unless you give her the donation. We all create our own reality, I guess.[/QUOTE]But some of them are what they call TRAPS. You have to take a second look to be sure they do not have pipes.

So I'm just wondering, does anyone know what sort of scam all the fake ads on StG are trying to run? I've noticed a lot of them recently and am curious what the point of it all is. Given how dead the Madison scene is it doesn't seem like it could possibly be worth anyone's time.

[QUOTE=AnonymousDude1;3976771]So I'm just wondering, does anyone know what sort of scam all the fake ads on StG are trying to run? I've noticed a lot of them recently and am curious what the point of it all is. Given how dead the Madison scene is it doesn't seem like it could possibly be worth anyone's time.[/QUOTE]They lure you into paying a deposit online to screw some hot chick. Some dudes fall for it. And never obtain what they seek. And are too embarrassed to fight the charge. Making the silly enterprise profitable, presumably.

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[QUOTE=PopeyeMadison;3921705]You can imagine a few things from the report: She either has roommates and their schedule was in flux. Or there's management involved. Or she owes someone money. Or she needed a fix. Or some combination of the above. This is the fray that we enter when we call a girl desperate enough for cash that she's willing to spread her legs to random strangers. Not judging. Just encouraging us all to take this ripoff report as a healthy reminder of what we're doing. I suspect we hear less than 10% of actual ripoffs. So it's probably more common that you think.[/QUOTE]She used to be Shelly, not sure what her name is this week. Don't waste your time or money.

Seantai, aka Barbie, cash and dash my 100 roses yesterday with her black dude bf in Rodeway Inn close to Denny's restaurant at Easttown mall.

We dated a few of times and was fine. However, she told that she going to get her gf to do 3 P with me and asked me to give her 100 roses upfront, because her gf could rob me. I trusted her, because we have met a few of times with good experience. Then, she did cash and dash to me disappeared. Today, she texted me again to ask help from me, such as buy milk for her son and both her dude and she are very starved etc. I said NO.

XX.

[QUOTE=XiaoXing;4020526]Seantai, aka Barbie, cash and dash my 100 roses yesterday with her black dude bf in Rodeway Inn close to Denny's restaurant at Easttown mall.

We dated a few of times and was fine. However, she told that she going to get her gf to do 3 P with me and asked me to give her 100 roses upfront, because her gf could rob me. I trusted her, because we have met a few of times with good experience. Then, she did cash and dash to me disappeared. Today, she texted me again to ask help from me, such as buy milk for her son and both her dude and she are very starved etc. I said NO.

XX.[/QUOTE]More like starving for heroin. Can you believe the nerve of this girl first she rips you off for a c-note then has the gall to call and ask for help! The hundred she stole from you would buy a lot of milk, what 1.85 a gallon. Guess never trust any of them at all with up front money no matter how many times you've visited them.

[QUOTE=HornyGuyLif;4020702]More like starving for heroin. Can you believe the nerve of this girl first she rips you off for a c-note then has the gall to call and ask for help! The hundred she stole from you would buy a lot of milk, what 1.85 a gallon. Guess never trust any of them at all with up front money no matter how many times you've visited them.[/QUOTE]Are you talking Barbie Kendell?

[QUOTE=XiaoXing;4020526]Seantai, aka Barbie, cash and dash my 100 roses yesterday with her black dude bf in Rodeway Inn close to Denny's restaurant at Easttown mall.

We dated a few of times and was fine. However, she told that she going to get her gf to do 3 P with me and asked me to give her 100 roses upfront, because her gf could rob me. I trusted her, because we have met a few of times with good experience. Then, she did cash and dash to me disappeared. Today, she texted me again to ask help from me, such as buy milk for her son and both her dude and she are very starved etc. I said NO.

XX.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report. Sorry to hear this happened to you.

Just for clarification, is this the one you are referring to? Short white woman? I've only seen this one once and she posts with different names / numbers / pictures that make it a bit confusing. Never saw / heard a "Seantai" reference though.

[URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/barbie-kendell-8h/434894245968[/URL]

[QUOTE=X8686;4020893]Thanks for your report. Sorry to hear this happened to you.

Just for clarification, is this the one you are referring to? Short white woman? I've only seen this one once and she posts with different names / numbers / pictures that make it a bit confusing. Never saw / heard a "Seantai" reference though.

[URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/barbie-kendell-8h/434894245968[/URL][/QUOTE]There is a big bootie Barbie white girl and a black Barbie to. Nothing about Seantai that I can find though.

[QUOTE=XiaoXing;4020526]Seantai, aka Barbie, cash and dash my 100 roses yesterday with her black dude bf in Rodeway Inn close to Denny's restaurant at Easttown mall.

We dated a few of times and was fine. However, she told that she going to get her gf to do 3 P with me and asked me to give her 100 roses upfront, because her gf could rob me. I trusted her, because we have met a few of times with good experience. Then, she did cash and dash to me disappeared. Today, she texted me again to ask help from me, such as buy milk for her son and both her dude and she are very starved etc. I said NO.

XX.[/QUOTE]Sorry this happened. I was trying to connect with Barbie Kendall last week and never received any response. I guess I should feel lucky, otherwise I could have been in the same situation as you experienced. Thanks for sharing.

D101.

[QUOTE=Develish101;4024123]Sorry this happened. I was trying to connect with Barbie Kendall last week and never received any response. I guess I should feel lucky, otherwise I could have been in the same situation as you experienced. Thanks for sharing.

D101.[/QUOTE]Tried to connect with her incall for a massage. Met her at the hotel. She lied and did not have incall. She wanted to get in my car to do car date or me get a room. I realized there were two cars of people watching us talk. I asked and she admitted they were with her despite telling me she was alone initially. I left and started walking to my car and a guy got out to talk to me. I told him he was making a mistake and thankfully he went back to his car. Too much potential drama and an entourage of people who likely live out if their cars including kids. Boo knows bad JuJu when he sees it. Be careful. Too bad. She was probably once a sweet girl.

[QUOTE=BooRadley72;4024654]Tried to connect with her incall for a massage. Met her at the hotel. She lied and did not have incall. She wanted to get in my car to do car date or me get a room. I realized there were two cars of people watching us talk. I asked and she admitted they were with her despite telling me she was alone initially. I left and started walking to my car and a guy got out to talk to me. I told him he was making a mistake and thankfully he went back to his car. Too much potential drama and an entourage of people who likely live out if their cars including kids. Boo knows bad JuJu when he sees it. Be careful. Too bad. She was probably once a sweet girl.[/QUOTE]Guessing things have slowed down considerably for Barbie / Kendall after the ripoff posting. When will these girls ever learn how fast can stop ringing when they pull that kinda shit. Looks like she did find out if she is living in a car now. Well she has no one to blame but herself and whoever encouraged her to do a ripoff. Hope that car head a good heater in it.

[QUOTE=HornyGuyLif;4025922]Guessing things have slowed down considerably for Barbie / Kendall after the ripoff posting. When will these girls ever learn how fast can stop ringing when they pull that kinda shit. Looks like she did find out if she is living in a car now. Well she has no one to blame but herself and whoever encouraged her to do a ripoff. Hope that car head a good heater in it.[/QUOTE]My meet up was 2-3 weeks ago, so pre-ripoff. In and of itself not noteworthy, but possibly so in light of rip off report. I have to think that she was setting ne up for something. To all mongers who meet in public. Show up 10 minutes early. Park away and do some surveillance. You can learn a lot. I knew she had one car of people. The second was a surprise.

[QUOTE=X8686;4020893]Thanks for your report. Sorry to hear this happened to you.

Just for clarification, is this the one you are referring to? Short white woman? I've only seen this one once and she posts with different names / numbers / pictures that make it a bit confusing. Never saw / heard a "Seantai" reference though.

[URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/barbie-kendell-8h/434894245968[/URL][/QUOTE]I saw her a few weeks ago and had a very pleasant time, price was a little higher than I like to pay but I did and I enjoyed it. But I'm disappointed to hear about her turn of events, won't repeat?

[QUOTE=Cheech69;4026778]I saw her a few weeks ago and had a very pleasant time, price was a little higher than I like to pay but I did and I enjoyed it. But I'm disappointed to hear about her turn of events, won't repeat?[/QUOTE]She starts high but if you don't bite she lowers price. A lot.

Looks like USA SG did it's job again by outing Kendall's ripoffs and put her out of business! She is now down in Rockford posting on stg. Looks like her phone quit ringing after the post about her doing ripoffs. Good ridence to scamming ripoff artists!

[QUOTE=HornyGuyLif;4030277]Looks like USA SG did it's job again by outing Kendall's ripoffs and put her out of business! She is now down in Rockford posting on stg. Looks like her phone quit ringing after the post about her doing ripoffs. Good ridence to scamming ripoff artists![/QUOTE]She usually had 3 or 4 ads with very different (and mostly fake) ads running. Yeah, she'd start out at $150 hh / $250 h and quickly get down to $100 hh no rules. I saw her once. She really got into it. But the hygiene was terrible and she just smelled high volume. I responded to an ad that I thought was someone else. When I showed up and it was her, I made some excuse and left. She didn't recognize me (confirming the high volume).