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SF Trip Report Day 1......

Hey Guys,

I arrived in San Fran today with out fan fair and took a cab to my hotel. I'm staying at the Marriott on 4th between Market & Mission and from what I can tell from reading I'm in the ideal area for our hobby as far as AMP's are concerned.

I've been to San Fran in the past, but I've never had time to participate in our hobby. I was looking forward to this week long business trip for some time because I wanted to sample the west coast ladies being that I'm from New Jersey. By the same token I didn't want to wear myself out because I head to Rio this Saturady for a week of fun in and out of the sun. Can you say Termas?

Anyway with list in hand I head out to what I hear is the best AMP in SF, Golden Flower. It wasn't far from the hotel. It's on 2nd just above Howard St. and there's a parking lot next door. I was a little excited because I wanted to see what all the fuss and rave reviews were about.

Well my excitement was short lived! I get to the door and they wouldn't let me in. They said the club was for members only and that I had to come with a member on the first time. Well I was pissed. In all my years of hobbying all over the world I have never been turned down to a place. I wasn't some bum, I was dressed nice, and I'm sure not LE. So I said to myself that I hope this is not a trend for things to come.

So next I decide to go to Kings which is just about right across from my hotel. The street is called Jessie, and it looks like an alley off of 4th St between Market and Mission.

I get buzzed in go down stairs to a second opening and get greeted. I walk in and say to myself Jack Pot! To my left is the desk with the mammasan who takes my money, to my right on couches is about 10 fine ladies watching TV. 9 Asian and 1 American. And I must say the pickens were excellent, and I'm very picky as you will notice if you read my reviews on *** & TBD.

I couldn't make up my mind at first, but finally selected a fine Asian lady named Joann. (Yeah!) Anyway she leads me to my room, helps me to get undressed, then leads me across the hall to take a shower. I come back to room number 3, and she and I get acquainted. Her command of English limited, and she tells me she has only been there about 3-weeks. So needless to say to doesn't have the hard Pro facade going on.

She gives me this great massage, then tells me to turn over and she starts working on the front. I tell you the Asian ladies are very good at putting on the condom with just there mouths when they are given you the cbj. Well I start playing with her clit and she starts getting super wet and moaning load. She turns and try's to get me to go down on her, but I wasn't into that tonight so I flip her over and slowly went to town on her until we couldn't taken it any longer and I pounded it home. We kept touching and caressing each other and she wanted to continue, but I had another stop on my list so I took another shower and left. $40 for admission + $1/2 lady = $190 for a great time. I will be going back to sample the other items on the menu.

Next I head over to Golden Dragon on Mason St. just above Ellis St. It's not hard to find either. The Mammasan meets me at the door and asks if it's my first time. I say yes, and instead of leading me to the door on the left that says entrance, she opens the door (greeting area inside because I see couches), say a fews words, then opens a door on the left and leads me down the stairs. She tells me it's $50 cash, I pay her and she takes me to a nice room with a shower inside. (Note: I think this room is much better than Kings!) I ask her what's on the menu, and she asks me what do I like. I tell her and then ask, "don't I get to select?" She tells me they don't do it that way. Everyone was busy, but she has someone she knows I will like and that if I don't like her I'm free to leave. So I'm there and I say "what the heck."

Well I was not to be disappointed once again! In walks this petite
4'-10" woman named Tina. And she asks if I would like her to service me and of course I say yes! She leaves quickly while I take a shower and I think to myself that so far the ladies at the AMP's in San Fran are much better than New Jersey.

Well Tina is fine with this hard body that begs to be hammered. We talk a little and she tells me she's from Vietnam and has been in the US for 7-years. We do the chit-chat thing for a while to get comfortable she gives me an OK massage. And the session was OK also with a cbj, fs, and cg. It seemed mechanical, almost as if it's been a long day for her. I find out later that it had becuase she had been working for the past 12-hours, and she was very tired. She told me to come back again earlier in the day and she promised to make it up to me. She also told me that when I come back to tell who every answers the door that I know her and then I'll be able to select who I want the next since I passed the screening process. She told me that she thought I was very nice and that she would be sure to tell everyone about me.
Cost 1/2$ entry + $1/2 lady = $$ for a wonderful time.

Well that's all for tonight...The saga continues tomorrow. I was thinking about Lee's or Empire's but the reviews have not been good. Perhaps I'll do the Strip club thing and do a couple of theaters. I know everyone say's that Mitchell Brother's is high but I might still check it out or Market Street Theater.

Wednesday, I think I'll do some outcalls to the hotel. I've seen some nice blonde blue eyed ladies named Amanda & Sabrina, even if they are a little high at $$$ to $$$$ an hour.

Also I wondering how do I get into Golden Flower???


Trent

Last week I walked from my hotel off Market to the Golden Flower for a fantastic first time experience. Easy to find and walked up and got buzzed in that afternoon. At least a dozen ladies available.

Hand in hand and down the stairs we went. Every aspect of the visit was excellent.

Walked out with a smile on my face and two blocks later I walked into the MacWorld convention.

Life is good.

qxguy

Golden Flower Admission.....

Can anyone tell me how to get an admission into the Golden Flower? I went yesterday for the first time and they told me I had to come with a member on my first visit.

I'm staying at the Marriott on 4th & Mission until Firday. I would be willing to meet up with a member and pay for his admission. You can e-mail me through this site, ***, or TBD.

Thanks,

Trent

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trent2461
[i]SF Trip Report Day 1......
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Perhaps I'll do the Strip club thing and do a couple of theaters. I know everyone say's that Mitchell Brother's is high but I might still check it out or Market Street Theater.
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Trent,

It's been a while since I've been there, but Mitchell Brothers is definitely worth at least the cover charge. They've got a web site that posts the cover charges -- it's cheaper, and in my experience much better, if you go earlier in the day. The ratio is much higher.

SF Trip Day 2

The saga continues…

Tonight I decide to check out the strip clubs. First stop, the Market Street Cinema on Market at 7th street. I read mixed reviews which said the place was hit or miss, and I struck out! Paid the $20 admission to get in, and the first room was set up just like a theater with a stage with poles. Some guys were standing in the back and some were watching the weak baby fat Asian do the pole dance thing. So I decide to head to the back rooms. Paid another $10 to be assaulted by a horde of butt ugly women. There was this blonde porn star working the back rooms/cubby holes who was tall, thin, and had a great rack, but had a beat face for my taste. I seemed to have caught her cleaning up from her bbbjtc from the last client. Well this was enough for me so I’m out the door.

Next stop, the infamous Mitchell Brothers on O’Farrell. Paid the $40 cover at the door and was pleased with the talent just like everyone said I would be. The ladies were fine, and the sex show with the toys entertaining. It’s a juice bar and there is a guy with a flash light directing the guys to the next live sex show in the various rooms.

The ladies start approaching the minute I walk in the door, and I have to keep them at bay. There were a lot of guys, but like myself most were only watching, or getting plain lap dances. After viewing the show from the side lines and tipping now and then, I decide on my first lady of the night a beautiful Persian woman named Yasmin. She gives me a naked lap dance, tells me what’s on the menu in the private room for me with her, and also tells me that all the ladies have different rates. These ladies are sky high, and not for the faint of heart. She starts out at a Grand for F/S and I laugh. She tells me that I’m suppose to negotiate depending on the service, so I tell her $100. We go back and forth on the price and couldn’t come to an agreement so I pass.

Next I try this supper fine woman who looks part Asian named Donna. We go through same process as Yasmin and I, and I could get her any lower than $500 for F/S so I pass on this one also. Next I try this fine blonde named Sabrina with these beautiful big blue eyes. She’s approached me 2 times so far and I figure she likes so I go around with her. I get it down to $$$1/2 for F/S and we head of to the private room after I purchase 2, 15-minute tokens. She performed like a trooper, but it was way too short and it only left me wanting more.

There was another attractive woman named India who wanted me badly. She was trying so hard to get me into the back room that she quoted me $$$1/2 right off the back for F/S. Well I wanted a longer time for my money so I decided to exit at this point and find the closet AMP.

Since I was on O’Farrell I decided to try Empire Health Club which was right down the road so I decided to walk. I passed a lot of riff-raff on the way to Empire, but no one bothered me. I also passed to additional AMP’s. One named Sunflower on the corner of O’Farrell and Hayes. (Entrance on the Hayes side), and Spring Time which was just before I got to Empire, but on the opposite side of the street. There was a Brazilian flag in the window so I figured that’s who serviced the place. (Mental note to myself check out this place tomorrow.)

Anyway I go into Empire and the selection was alright, but not great. I selected someone named Mai who was thin, attractive, and had small breast. Probably “A” cup in size. Later she told me her real name was Topiko and that she was from Thailand and had been in the US for 5 years. Anyway I get lead to an OK room first, I’m told to get undressed and I’m lead out the room and around the corner to this two stall shower which sucked.

Well this pretty much set the tone for the session. After some chit-chat, Mai gives me this weak soft touch massage. I had laid down $ as a tip when she came into the rooms so that she would know I wanted F/S. Well I should have saved my money. Everything seemed too mechanical, and I can’t keep it up during the cbj and this never happens to me. So I tell her to lie down and she tells me it’s an additional $ for F/S and I laugh. So as not to argue because I’m new, I tell her $1/2 take it or leave it, and she agrees. Anyway, she seemed like she had to catch a train. Everything was rushed, and she had the loosest twat of any Asian I have been with. Guys, it was weak for her to be so small and thin. I thinking she must masturbate with a super big dildo. I rush to completion, take a shower and leave. I don’t think I’ll be back to this place.

Well I’m pissed! Three places during the night and I’m not a happy camper. Tomorrow I’ll have to do some incalls. I should have listened to the boards and went with the law of percentages. I’ll search for some high class escorts tomorrow.

Trent

Trent - Excellent report. Some get by the mamasan at Golden Flower, some do not. Who knows. I haven't been there for over two years. Sounds like your Kings\Goldfinga experience was good. I like Kings quite a bit.

You may not need Golden Flower. Try again today; maybe you will be rewarded for persistence.

The Market Street Cinema is a snake pit. You are lucky you got out for under a C note.

Interesting how quickly the gals at MBOT figured out you had $$ to spend. I have not been to the MBOT b/c I consider that scene way overpriced for the little hustle w/ the flashlights, bouncers, telephone booths - fuck all that!

Give me an AMP with soft lights, some Chinese music, and a cup of tea.

Trent- Your mistake at the "flower shop" was that it was your first time there. Always say you have been there with. Try again if you have the time and see. They are sometimes not very receptive to non-asians, depending on their mood.

jzjz,

where is the street action you mentioned? I haven't seen much sw in sf for the last 2 years. they were much more action 5 years ago. especially in the tenderloin.

Trent, I'm reading your reports with great interest. If you see this in time-stay away from Springtime. Its a Vietnamese joint and a tourist oriented rip off place. My personal suggestions for places you haven't been: Lee's on Mission, Rainbow near Chinatown gate, and Sun (not Sunflower) on Geary. I've always liked Golden Dragon but they jerked you around. You DEFINITELY get to view and select the merchandise, you are never taken downstairs the way you were. This is called "the white man hustle" in SF and its common if they feel you are a newbie to the game. This is hard to do sometimes but ask to see the selection and make a choice. If they give you any shit at all, smile and politely announce you are leaving. They'll probably "find" some girls that just became available. If not just leave. The Dragon was probably sending you a girl that had a slow night and wasn't making any money.

When you go to these places tell them you haven't been in a while but you have been there. Dee Dee from Thailand and Angel from Korea are good names to drop at Lee's. You can say "I've seen Dee Dee and I'd like her but I'd like to make another selection this time". Angel is fucking good looking. Joanne from Thailand (small size girl) is a good name drop at Rainbow.

Hi Guys,

I was able to finally get into Golden Flower by going in the afternoon. The mamasan told me that they turn new customers away when it's busy and that it's best to come between 6 and 10pm before it gets packed.

My full trip report will follow for days 3 & 4, but I just got home today and I fly out again tomorrow to Rio for some fun in and out of the sun. I'll bring my laptop so check out the Rio board starting Monday.

Trent

I hate aol. Just wrote a long report and the server died. here is an abbreviated version. Kings was great last monday night . I had BEBE . she smiled when I looked at her so I chose her. 50 to the house and 150.00 to Bebe. she got very wet and seemed to enjoy the session. Killer figure but i like the asian look. YMMV. Of course we all get the "you are so big" comment like they all do. these girls should offer a course to train our girlfriends and wives how to behave.. or how to not behave.

Before this I wwnt to Palm tress massage on valencia close to market. had Yoko about 3-4 times. same $ as above. She is good after she gets to know you and she seems to cum if you work it. Allow DATY as did Bebe above. If you like her outfit (black with red flowers ) I bought it for her because the clothrs she shosed up in for sex made her look like she was ready to clean your apartment. phone for palm is 415-626 5438. Kings is 979 0111.

In closing i rec tijuana for great value. ie weekend in san diego. $60.00 for 30 min with a pretty Latina. Attitudes vary as always

best of luck

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ozikboy
[i]I hate aol. Just wrote a long report and the server died. here is an abbreviated version. Kings was great last monday night . I had BEBE . she smiled when I looked at her so I chose her. 50 to the house and 150.00 to Bebe. she got very wet and seemed to enjoy the session. Killer figure but i like the asian look. YMMV. Of course we all get the "you are so big" comment like they all do. these girls should offer a course to train our girlfriends and wives how to behave.. or how to not behave.

Before this I wwnt to Palm tress massage on valencia close to market. had Yoko about 3-4 times. same $ as above. She is good after she gets to know you and she seems to cum if you work it. Allow DATY as did Bebe above. If you like her outfit (black with red flowers ) I bought it for her because the clothrs she shosed up in for sex made her look like she was ready to clean your apartment. phone for palm is 415-626 5438. Kings is 979 0111.

In closing i rec tijuana for great value. ie weekend in san diego. $60.00 for 30 min with a pretty Latina. Attitudes vary as always
best of luck [/i][/QUOTE]

Ozikboy,

Is that the going rate for kings? $200 all inclusive....seems as if the price is going up in the bay area, or are you just being generous. As stated before, my usual fee stays at $150-160 all inclusive...I can't afford the 200 a pop deal. Please keep the prices down.

Trent,

Hey good to hear that you're finally able to get into the Golden Flower. Hope it was everything that it's reputation lived up to man. We'll be waiting for that report.

amp_man

Dear amp_man
I agree that $200 is a lot. the $50 to the house seems non negotiable... ie for the "massage". I have been a total of 5- 6 times and have been quoted $150 1/2 1/2 every time. Once I tried to be tough and the gal at Empire did me for $140.00.
I am open to suggestions. Sorry if I have been causing inflation!! These gorgeous Asians are costing me $$$$. Went out for drinks and light snacks at nice bar with blind date last night . the tab was $90.00. (I could see the look in this girls eye re getting married and having babies) . Nice girl but for $110.00 more I could have been with someone 1/2 her age and drop dead gorgeous. Sorry for the philosophy.

I'll try to play hard ball next time on the "tip" but my strength wanes when these asians are naked.

Ozikboy

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ozikboy
[i]Dear amp_man
I agree that $200 is a lot. the $50 to the house seems non negotiable... ie for the "massage". I have been a total of 5- 6 times and have been quoted $150 1/2 1/2 every time. Once I tried to be tough and the gal at Empire did me for $140.00.
I am open to suggestions. Sorry if I have been causing inflation!! These gorgeous Asians are costing me $$$$. Went out for drinks and light snacks at nice bar with blind date last night . the tab was $90.00. (I could see the look in this girls eye re getting married and having babies) . Nice girl but for $110.00 more I could have been with someone 1/2 her age and drop dead gorgeous. Sorry for the philosophy.

I'll try to play hard ball next time on the "tip" but my strength wanes when these asians are naked.

Ozikboy [/i][/QUOTE]

Hi Ozikboy,

I know what you mean, I have a weakness for asian women as well...so I know exactly where you're coming from. They're not dumb, they usually do the price negotiation when we're erect, and our blood supply is diverted to support our wood.

amp_man

[QUOTE]Originally posted by riojim
[i]jzjz,

where is the street action you mentioned? I haven't seen much sw in sf for the last 2 years. they were much more action 5 years ago. especially in the tenderloin. [/i][/QUOTE]

Van Ness & Sutter, Polk Hyde, etc.

VERY hot in the 'loin these days. LE in the Bay Area is making it a point to bust as many johns as they can so their depts. can make revenue quotas and they can justify and keep their jobs.

Also, with all the sick, dirty junkies on the street, it may be a good idea to go another route.

This is my first post and I wanted to thank everyone and tell you that I found the info very helpful. I don't usualy go to these places but though I would give it a try while in SF. I went to King's Massage on Jessie St. WOW, what a great time I had. Got a lady named Sherry and she was really a GFE. Massage was good.
Mike

Reguarding the post about LE stings, I have been caught up in one of those so here are some things to look for. Fisrt, they well have some sort of truck very close by to process john's. Like a big white moving van or delivery truck. They park in parking lots with the back of the truck to a building wall to hid the activety inside. There will be men sitting in unmarked cars a block away waiting to chase you down. There will be allot of men on street corners just "hangin out", tucked in door ways and just side stores. The girls will NOT get in your car and will do everything to get you to tell them what you want and how much. DO NOT dicuss anything with the girls, just tell them to get in. If they don't just drive off. Some will actually try to keep you from going by not closing your car door. Just leave! Old saying goes like this "if it don't feel right then move on". With the budget crunch you can expect more stings and more agressive stings. Be careful. billy

Hey really nice guy
what was the tip to sherry for Kings. I just want to compare $
thanks
Ozikboy

Why I like AMPs:

1. Asian Massage Parlors (AMPs) have double-locked doors with cameras;

2. They don't allow drug-addicted workers;

3. The women are clean. I have had only one problem in 12 years (she had bad acne) and I sent her back and got another one;

4. Asian women are still oriented (no pun) in service and respect for the man;

5. No pimps;

6. No busts. The Viet places in town used to have gang shakedowns on rare occasion, but most of the good places in S.F. are Korean and no one is fucking with them to my knowledge.

That said, I still understand the allure of hunting and taking one off the street - not to mention the better price. But there is no question in my mind as to the prepondenrance of risk here. Happy hunting gentlemen.

Hi guys, i need info on massage parlors that have chinese, koreans, thai or filipino massuses that offers full service in san francisco area. thanks in advance

AMP's are defninitely the way to go, even given the price difference, for a lot of reasons. Its much easier to leave an AMP safely if you don't like the pickings than it is to try to kick a crack addict out of your car when she realizes she is not getting money for her next hit.

One more tip on LE stings, btw...If you're in a sw hood you can be cited for loitering with intent even if you don't proposition the girl. The point is, always look around you when you stop to 'chat' with a sw.

out

I hate to generalize but compared to the women in AMPs, the SWs in SF are a haggered lot at best. Doped out. Fucked out. Weathered. I feel for their plight but am not about to risk LE to be with street trash. On the other hand, I have not been to an AMP in SF that had less than presentable women. I may not want to fuck all of them but I didn't notice track marks, open sores or unmannerly behavior either.
BE SAFE!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ozikboy
[i]Hey really nice guy
what was the tip to sherry for Kings. I just want to compare $
thanks
Ozikboy [/i][/QUOTE]Hey there, I think that I said $100 and she said $150 so we split it and I gave her $125.
Mike

Hi guys, i can't seem to find info on AMP or any MP that offers FS in Sunset Area. I live and work in sunset so it''ll be easy for me. I read few articles on MPs out of apartments in sunset, can anybody give more info to me? if you can't post it here send it to my email at: loserdude889@yahoo.com. thanks in advance.

Loserdude has 2 handles:

"loserdude" and "loserdude889" ?

He only has two posts, why two handles already?

and he is asking for very specific information on illegal activities.

The Sunset is a residential area quite different than the Tenderloin. You are looking in the wrong place.

If anyone is interested read my post in the Reno section.

Gnome, thanks for the good info. I have to say though, that just reinforces my thanks for the set-up we have here in S.F.

Generally, white providers in the U.S. overprice and underperform.

Come on out to S.F. and get treated well for your $$!

MondaysChilde, I do get to SF once or twice a year but never been to an AMP there. I usually stay at the columbus motor inn. I've been to the msc did not stay long wasn't to clean in my eyes. Then went to MBOT could have most anthying i wanted but price was way up there. Guess i'm to use to nevada. also went to a place across from the msc don't remember the name of the place but this girl took me back in this booth where they fog up the windows, she couldn't sell me so we ended up in a video booth and offered a hj for 60. Again it just didn't seem worth it. She even got naked in there and i just couldn't go for it. She seem to get irritated with me so i left. Checked out the street action around gerry st i was on foot about 10pm some nice girls clean not bad looking in their 20's i'd say, but they had to keep ducking behind cars when LE drove by. I watched this for about 45 minutes, then LE sourrounded them so i left. I did reconize a couple of them in Reno about a mounth or so later. There was a mamassan smiling at me at one of the mp's but i don't remember which one. That's it for now.....

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MondaysChilde
[i]Loserdude has 2 handles:

"loserdude" and "loserdude889" ?

He only has two posts, why two handles already?

and he is asking for very specific information on illegal activities. [/i][/QUOTE]

MondaysChilde,

I agree with you, seems a little suspicious, especially with all the LE activities that have gone on in the SF area to crack down on prostitution and AMP stings. Any hobiest of this sport would know how to seek and find the information on AMP parlours in a new area without being as specific as he is. Or maybe, he already has the amps in mind and are seeking incriminating evidence for issue of warrants for amps in that area. I don't trust him.

amp_man

Went to downtown AMP last night and had a fantastic time with Korean girl. this is my 2nd time with her. She gets very wet and allows DATY and seems to "peak" although we never know Great cbj with fantastic attitude
$$ for 1 hour. I would love to share name and location but the last post concerns me regarding LE raids at SF AMPs. Is this really going on???

What is the etiquette regarding information that one posts?

would appreciate some feedback

Ozikboy

I live in boston, but im able to get to SF once in a while. the last time (november) i hit lee's 3 times based on recommendations in this group (god i love the internet).

Two things were striking. First: the girls were SO much hotter than the ones at new england AMPs. Am i mistaken or are the girls at lee's chinese rather than korean? these girls were smokin hot - bodies and face. However the second striking difference from new england is that there are no table showers. from what i can gather, there are no table showers at the other AMPs in SF. is this true? you guys have no idea what you are missing by not having table showers, it makes a world of difference.

I also went to MSC despite my better judgement and regretted every minute of it. there are definitely some good looking girls, but they make used car salesmen look timid and they cant stop themselves from trying to rip you off. are there any tricks to this place as far as finding a girl who will agree to an act and a price and not try renegotiating once u are both naked in the back room?

Finally, i briefly visited another club - im 99% sure it was crazy horse on market. i only went because kira kener was making an appearance. boy she has put on a few pounds. i got 3 lap dances from this smokin hot asian girl with nice fake tits. she offered a private room but i was becoming budget conscious at this point. how far do things go in those private areas at crazy horse? FS?

Ozikboy - Independent, apartment AMPs are busted all the time; mostly on neighbor's complaints since they tend to be located in residential areas.

I have not heard of any of the established "Oriental Massage" places getting busted recently - but who knows after the regime change in City Hall. The city's policy for years has been to leave them alone. They are, in addition, hard to bust because of the two-lock system etc.

Everyone keep in mind that the City, COunty and State have registered mind-boggling budget deficits, and LE is out in force to make busts and keep their jobs.

I agree with Monday. Keeping the pressure on state, local, city budgets (veto any inreases) will keep the pressure on LE resources - so they focus on real crime....and not this wimp LE stuff like hassling the harmless. We'll all be better off that way - mongers and non-mongers alike.

Luvdozer: Crazyhorse is pretty much a "no extras" club, unlike MSC where anything goes. MBOT is somewhere inbetwen the two but pricier. My advice, should you return, is to go to CH to WATCH, then to an AMP to DO.

PS I think New England is the worst part of the US for the hobby (with the Midwest, especially Chicagoland, a close second). Hearing it was "much better" than Boston I drove to Providence, RI to get a hj from an old hag. If Providence is "better", I'd hate to see what is on offer in beantown since the Combat Zone was closed down (and even it was supposedly mediocre). New England may be great for old buildings and fall foliage, but for pleasure it is the pits.

Surfer

You have to paint with a big brush to cast all of New England as the pits. you are certainly correct that it doesnt hold a candle to San Francisco, but few places do. I expect that, as a visitor, its hard to get a handle on southern New England but let me give you a rough sketch

When it comes to SW there are still plenty in Boston - in Chinatown, but there is significant law enforecement and quality is erratic. the most consistent SW scenes tend to be in smaller cities in MA such as Fitchburg, Worcester, Springfield, Lynn, New Bedford, and Lawrence. but it would be a struggle for an out of towner to hit them successfully in one or two nights. One nice thing about Chinatown is that you can do it on foot if u prefer that method. the zone is safe enough (as long as u exercise reasonable caution) and close enough to hotels and public transport that u arent required to use a car.

If you are looking for high mileage strip clubs, there are actually many good options. Mardi Gras in Springfield has hi friction dances from some of the hottest girls i have ever seen. I dont know for sure but i think very high mileage is available in the champagne room. there are many clubs in Providence RI that also push the limits and have hot girls. none of them are anything like MB or MSC, but they are more brothels than strip clubs.

If you enjoy AMPs, you MUST go to Connecticut. pretty much every major town on 84 has several, but Waterbury has some of the best in the state, you will see them discussed extensively on that board. Providence used to be the capital of AMPs but most have turned to hand release with 2 exceptions. on the level of AMPs, i would actually say that Connecticut (and Rhode Island) are among the best in the US. like I said in a previous post, the girls at Lees in SF are more attractive, but an AMP without a table shower is like a day without sunshine. AMP girls here are usually VERY enthusiastic.

Finally, as far as escorts are concerned there are plenty here as there are in every major city. i suspect that CA has some of the best in the nation, but there are plenty of hot escorts in Boston who wont cost an arm and a leg. furthermore, Boston does not have an unusually high amount of ripoff artists. Every town has some, but my sense is that Boston has fewer thanb average.

I agree completely that chicago is an awful place for us hobbyists. strip clubs provide NO mileage, street scene is scary and difficult for out of towners and the escorts are outrageously expensive with many ripoff artists. It makes me so sad because Chicago has some hot girls.

When you say that CH doesnt have very much mileage, do you mean none at all or just not sex?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Surfer
[i]PS I think New England is the worst part of the US for the hobby (with the Midwest, especially Chicagoland, a close second). [/i][/QUOTE]

Surfer,
I couldn't agree more! In the continental US, (IMHO), SF is second only to Tampa, where I was amazed by the quality of providers. Nashville was pretty good a few years ago as far as action goes, but the beauty scale was very low.

For the dedicated hobbiest, one has to leave the country...the farther, the better (ie Mexico City is much better than TJ, and of course the holy grail of fun: Thailand.

SF is FAR better than LA, and I don't get up there NEAR as much as I'd like.

dieter

Yes, there are some simply bad places for the hobbyist in the U.S.; Albuquerque, Oklahoma City, most of the Midwest...

Many say S.F. has the best scene in the country, certainly best for the asian persuasion. Dieter, TAMPA??! My parents retire there in the winter...may have to pay them a visit soon ;)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Surfer
PS I think New England is the worst part of the US for the hobby New England may be great for old buildings and fall foliage, but for pleasure it is the pits. [/i][/QUOTE]

Sorry if ya didn't git what you wuz lookin fur here Surfer.

If ya asked fur strip joints `n amps, Providence would be da place. What was da name of da amp da hag works?
But if ya was lookin fur elite talent, Boston is da spot. We got prime locals `n traveling ladies that will accomodate GENTLEMEN to great lengths. ;)

But fur street action, it slows down in da winter. Da spring `n summer is hot! If ya git this way again, post for advice.