Rants, Raves, and Stupid Tinfoil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Bullshit

[QUOTE=ADreamer;3163030]What are the typical methods providers screen?

Is google voice number good enough. Or do providers like bobby etc screen that?[/QUOTE]Do not ever use your primary number. Go to Wal Mart and get a 'burner' phone. You have to activate this phone via another phone. Simply tell the salesperson you lost your phone and you need help activating the service. They'll do it from the sales desk so there is NO connection to you. Wear a fedora to conceal your face from the cameras. LOL.

[QUOTE=ADreamer;3163030]What are the typical methods providers screen?

Is google voice number good enough. Or do providers like bobby etc screen that

[/QUOTE]I meant to note that screening can vary greatly based on the provider. Some SPs will just want voice verification, while others will want provider references. Some go as far as asking for full name, work phone number, etc. In my opinion, there is no pussy worth giving up that information; it is foolish and dangerous. But, opinions vary. Personally, I'll Polish the knob rather than risk that bullshit.

[QUOTE=InaraIncognito;3163399]Not unless you have review history, references or a handle on a verification site. Otherwise you will end up being denied or have to see someone who doesn't screen which is always risky.

Seeing a provider who screens is pretty important. Those who don't are more likely to be LE, get caught by LE, do drugs or just be irresponsible in general. And as Amateur 12 mentioned it's always possible a provider who is caught could work with the police for a lesser charge. So it's in everyone's best interest to be smart and cautious.[/QUOTE]You may want to slink away before you further embarrass yourself.

[QUOTE=Amateur11;3163498]Any provider who asks me for a fucking reference or to prove I'm not LE with some kind of personally identifying can get lost. Are you a provider? In a decade of hobbying, I've never once been asked for a reference, and I've met plenty of girls, most at least acceptable, many decent, and quite a few gems. If it feels too "set up" and professional, it is an immediate boner killer for me. And the thought of calling an agency? Please. Not for me at all. Yeah, I want to call some madam or male attendant and give out some info like I'm calling to sign up for cable. If it doesn't feel like I'm picking up a girl who I haven't seen post before, is independent, lighthearted, horny and fun, and posts NORMAL pics that represent her true self (not glittery glam airbrushed pics), hasn't been reviewed (banged) by 500 guys, then I'm not interested. I can at least live in a fantasyworld of porn of a girl like that, rather than be expected to spend $200 to be questioned and treated with skepticism or like I want every fucking girl I've been with in the hobby to be talking with others and thus have a MAJOR impediment to anonymity.

I'm sure there are a lot of old, sad guys with more money than sense who haven't gotten laid 10 times in the last decade who are more than willing to call up an agency, give them their name and credit card, and beg to pay $400 to be "screened" or to give a "reference" just to fuck a girl who thinks she knows something and has a pussy, but I can (and have, several DOZEN times) found plenty of attractive, non-addicted, non-pro pussy over the years for $80 or less and most importantly, NO BULLSHIT![/QUOTE]Good advice from Amature11 & Buki1 to you newbies to the game. I never understood the whole reference thing, just got the feeling if they are that parinoid why are they meeting strange men anyway? Asking for full names, I'd's, what is your occupation WTF? If a cop wants to bust her he can give her all kind of legit sounding shit with picture I'd's. If an asshole wants to show up and assault and rob her I'm sure his reference info is a little bit of a lie too. The blueprint for the game is this. You have a pussy I have a dick, you need cash I have cash, neither of us are cops. Let's do some touching and licking to prove we are not cops, let's not EXCHANGE or DISCUSS any cash before we fuck or at least until we have touched and licked each other LOL. OK we now know this is a supply and demand situation lets FUCK. Of course these girls have to be careful and have some sort of a security plan such as a friend close by or telling a friend I have an appointment at such time etc. But those certain girls that require a full resume ain't helping their business. When we TOFTT its to determine if she's worth it or a ripoff bait and switch etc. On the flip side when they TOFTT (first time customer) they don't know what kind of guy will show up. Well that just happens to be the nature of the game ladies. It's not like when a guy calls a provider he ask her what's your real name, where do you live, do you have a real job, where? I need 3 recent satisfied customers you have seen and their contact info and you know these customers will be happy knowing she's giving out their contact info to other swinging dicks. Of course I'm exaggerating this part but you see this reference thing is all smoke and mirrors or as one of the guys said Bull Shit, keep it to a minimum ladies just use your common sense and gut instincts and have a backup plan if there's a problem. If a guy wants to bull shit you, bust you or harm you he can show or tell you anything, best thing is to have some sort of plan on your end if things go wrong. The ones that blow my mind are some of these former porn girls or whoever the fuck they are that travel around and ask $400/$500 or more an hour and a full resume to see them. Ahhh I'm like, If I'm paying that kind of dough shouldn't I be getting your performance and personal info?

I can't disagree with Amateur11 or xHippie. I get where they're coming from. But as someone who has used agencies in Raleigh, DC ATL, all over really, and who is also a member at P411, I will say that I think the risks I took in being able to "get in" to those places was worth it. Now if it was a BP girl with average reviews and looks wanting certain info, no freaking way. But I think you have to do a lot of research and pick your poison if you want to be able to see the best looking girls. And for me that's important. Knowing what I'm going to get, that DFK, BBBJ, etc is available before I get there is extremely important to me. I don't partake in the hobby as often as I would like due to $$ and the fact that I generally have to travel at least an hour or more to see the providers I want to see, therefore I want to make sure I'm getting exactly what I want.

Now that it's done, and has been done for a number of years, I'm pretty much "in" anywhere thanks to the P411 membership. With that you can pretty much see anyone you want to see, all over the country, including those $1300 Porn Stars (for instance Ariana Marie was in Raleigh several weeks ago at that price). I don't make enough to afford that LOL, but once in a blue moon, sure I'd consider spending some time with one of my favorite porn stars.

I think it really comes down to comfort levels. If you're married with children, the President of a successful company, prone to being blackmailed, etc, you'd probably need to be much more careful. But I didn't mind taking a discreet phone call at my place of employment at the time, to get into P411. I didn't mind showing I'd to the girl the first time I used NCVIP. But I can understand why some would and some do. At the end of the day, I'm happy that I can read reviews, get exactly what I want, check out who's in a certain area, be damn near 100% confident that the girl isn't LE, and know that screening will be easy and painless. There was a little paranoia in the beginning, but now that it's all said and done, I'm glad I proceeded the way that I did in this hobby.

[QUOTE=Amateur11;3163498]Any provider who asks me for a fucking reference or to prove I'm not LE with some kind of personally identifying can get lost. Are you a provider? In a decade of hobbying, I've never once been asked for a reference, and I've met plenty of girls, most at least acceptable, many decent, and quite a few gems. If it feels too "set up" and professional, it is an immediate boner killer for me. And the thought of calling an agency? Please. Not for me at all. Yeah, I want to call some madam or male attendant and give out some info like I'm calling to sign up for cable. If it doesn't feel like I'm picking up a girl who I haven't seen post before, is independent, lighthearted, horny and fun, and posts NORMAL pics that represent her true self (not glittery glam airbrushed pics), hasn't been reviewed (banged) by 500 guys, then I'm not interested. I can at least live in a fantasyworld of porn of a girl like that, rather than be expected to spend $200 to be questioned and treated with skepticism or like I want every fucking girl I've been with in the hobby to be talking with others and thus have a MAJOR impediment to anonymity.

I'm sure there are a lot of old, sad guys with more money than sense who haven't gotten laid 10 times in the last decade who are more than willing to call up an agency, give them their name and credit card, and beg to pay $400 to be "screened" or to give a "reference" just to fuck a girl who thinks she knows something and has a pussy, but I can (and have, several DOZEN times) found plenty of attractive, non-addicted, non-pro pussy over the years for $80 or less and most importantly, NO BULLSHIT![/QUOTE]LOL as long as your happy with your $80 pussy that's all that matters. If you don't want to see someone that screens again your choice. The way of the world is someone always has more money than you and can pay for what they want and will. If they choose to see girls who screen that's their choice. That really doesn't make them SAD OLD MEN. It just makes them men with more money than you. One could make an argument that if your under 50 and havi g to pay for pussy that's pretty SAD also. Its everyone s choice so why get upset over girls who screen or guys who have more money than you? There is still plenty of that $80 pussy out there.

[QUOTE=XHippie;3163822] The blueprint for the game is this. You have a pussy I have a dick, you need cash I have cash, neither of us are cops. Let's do some touching and licking to prove we are not cops, let's not EXCHANGE or DISCUSS any cash before we fuck or at least until we have touched and licked each other LOL. OK we now know this is a supply and demand situation lets FUCK. Of course these girls have to be careful and have some sort of a security plan such as a friend close by or telling a friend I have an appointment at such time etc. The ones that blow my mind are some of these former porn girls or whoever the fuck they are that travel around and ask $400/$500 or more an hour and a full resume to see them. Ahhh I'm like, If I'm paying that kind of dough shouldn't I be getting your performance and personal info?[/QUOTE]I've quoted just the main points of your post above. Excellent simplification, takes out the BS, and THAT should be the blueprint that providers follow as well. A paranoid, overpriced, over-ego'd, shit-don't-stink provider is the equivalent of a hobbyist who who rams it in the girl's ass unexpectedly, which leaves her limping for a couple days, and leaves her short of cash and dashes out the door. Just because you have the pussy and THINK it's better than the other girls does not mean you are holding the upper hand; the only reason you are doing this is CASH, and so you do what is required to GET the cash. Pre-emptive strike here. That's not disrespected, that's the reality of the market, that there is GREAT pussy to be had in MUCH more casual situations for MUCH less money, it's all about how much effort we guys are looking to put into it.

The next important point of Hippie's is pimps and boyfriends (or "boyfriends" - yes, sometimes the guys really are their boyfriends). Question to the guys. Would you rather know she has a handler who is there 99% of the time for her safety, or pay top dollar to a girl who wants your personal info and references? For me, I could give a shit about a handler. He's there to make money, I'm a non-threatening client who always treats the girl well. Do you think he gives a shit about who I am? Why would he harass me? Exactly. And by the way, if you're at a motel, you're likely on camera anyway, so what's he going to do, be on camera throughout the entire motel stay walking in and out of the building, with him and his girl on camera, and then beat my ass and rob me? What's worse, assault, robbery, or visiting a BP girl in the room with no video evidence of ANY activity? Yes, these people are often not the brightest, but come on. And I will say that if you 1) avoid extremely shady places 2) especially after dark, you're likely going to be just fine regardless. For ANY visit. If it's Saturday night at 10 pm, you have a much better chance of becoming a bad "john statistic" either by means of LE, robbery, assault, on and on.

Last comment references some more of what Hippie said. I guess we are showing our age here? Whoever these "porn stars" etc think they are who are charging ridiculous rates, need to have their egos deflated fast. If you put some free videos on Xvids you are not a porn star. If you got paid to do porn on bigblackasses dot com you are not a porn star. If you beg for change on Chaturbate you are NOT a porn star (yes, this even applies to those girls who think they are "stars" because they have a lot of followers). If you post naked pics on Instagram, you are not a porn star. A porn star is Jenna goddamn Jameson. The rest of you can go back to calling yourselves what you are. Sluts with low self esteem who need validation by conjuring up some false sense of "internet fame" and then projecting onto other people like THEY are the lousy sluts and YOU are a "star. " (hint. That means you are worth $80 at MOST for a qv).

Hopefully this can be backed up but a few members, but either way, here's a piece of knowledge (opinion?) at least for the Triangle market, that I feel is very valid. A guy can get a very good dream with a decent girl at these rates, and I have many times.

QV: 40-80.

HH: 80-120.

FH: 120-150.

Anything under 40 - run. Crackheads, trannies (oops, didn't see a bulge in the ad), or other scams.

Anything over 150 - do you have FIRM PROOF from an online review / FB / etc that she is as hot as she says? You do? Ok, any reviews about her attitude? Do you have money to burn if there's any chance it's a setup or she might only be a 6 and not a 10 when you get there?

QV for 100 - you're not that good sweetie and I can negotiate you down to 60 (and contrary to what these girls want you to believe, smart men don't tip, they negotiate / we have the upper hand). If you're a sucker who gets pulled in by fake airbrushed pics and guilted into believing "real men tip and don't negotiate," then you deserve what you are getting upon arrival.

300,400 hour girls, over 1000 overnights. Seriously? Get off the drugs. Unless you have a star on the Hollywood walk of fame, no matter what you believe, you are NOT worth that.

Honestly, you should be able to spend 60 for a QV and have a great time all day long. Same goes for 100 for HH, and 120 for FH.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3163888]LOL as long as your happy with your $80 pussy that's all that matters. If you don't want to see someone that screens again your choice. The way of the world is someone always has more money than you and can pay for what they want and will. If they choose to see girls who screen that's their choice. That really doesn't make them SAD OLD MEN. It just makes them men with more money than you. One could make an argument that if your under 50 and havi g to pay for pussy that's pretty SAD also. Its everyone s choice so why get upset over girls who screen or guys who have more money than you? There is still plenty of that $80 pussy out there.[/QUOTE]I've had enough pussy that I realize pussy is pussy, and I like certain types of girls, so I don't need to pay more to find out otherwise. I used to have a buddy who preferred all his women over 6 feet tall, with long necks and adams apples. What he didn't understand what that he preferred Brazilian ladyboys and was just afraid to admit it to himself.

To each his own.

Why are we getting so upset about what guys are willing to pay and go through to spend time with their lady of choice. It's ALL an individual choice that comes down to what a man wants. I spend time with both types of ladies. Yesterday I spent time wth Scorpio for $. 4, next month I'm already set up to see a hot Russian chic coming through for $$ 5. I'm ok with both but I will tell you this, my time with the hot Russian chic will be WAY better than my time with Scorpio was and therefore worth it to me. In fact, I made a choice yesterday to try Scorpio (a 6 IMO) over seeing a girl with NCVIP (a 9 IMO). My time was ok, I saved $. 6, I didn't enjoy myself as much as I would have so I look at it as a loss and wish I would have spent the extra money. DFK, BBBJ and being treated like I'm the only guy in the world for an hour are important to me. And as far as screening goes, I have been screened once by an agency and once by P411, both a simple phone call to my work place asking to speak to me. The receptionist had no idea who was calling or why. It was just a person calling to talk to me. I'm sure we have all had a phone call or two at work. After that, NCVIP took my reference from the other agency and my P411 and every other girl / agency has used my P411 so I haven't had to screen since then. Have fun at whatever level and for whatever reason you are in this hobby but don't begrudge me my agency / high class providers.

Who else is already searching the names in the arrest article using FB to see if any are hot?

[QUOTE=Amateur11;3163498]Any provider who asks me for a fucking reference or to prove I'm not LE with some kind of personally identifying can get lost. Are you a provider? In a decade of hobbying, I've never once been asked for a reference, and I've met plenty of girls, most at least acceptable, many decent, and quite a few gems. If it feels too "set up" and professional, it is an immediate boner killer for me. And the thought of calling an agency? Please. Not for me at all. Yeah, I want to call some madam or male attendant and give out some info like I'm calling to sign up for cable. If it doesn't feel like I'm picking up a girl who I haven't seen post before, is independent, lighthearted, horny and fun, and posts NORMAL pics that represent her true self (not glittery glam airbrushed pics), hasn't been reviewed (banged) by 500 guys, then I'm not interested. I can at least live in a fantasyworld of porn of a girl like that, rather than be expected to spend $200 to be questioned and treated with skepticism or like I want every fucking girl I've been with in the hobby to be talking with others and thus have a MAJOR impediment to anonymity.

I'm sure there are a lot of old, sad guys with more money than sense who haven't gotten laid 10 times in the last decade who are more than willing to call up an agency, give them their name and credit card, and beg to pay $400 to be "screened" or to give a "reference" just to fuck a girl who thinks she knows something and has a pussy, but I can (and have, several DOZEN times) found plenty of attractive, non-addicted, non-pro pussy over the years for $80 or less and most importantly, NO BULLSHIT![/QUOTE]If that's your MO and it works than good for you. I find it to be a bit of a paradox that you aren't willing to see someone who has "500 reviews" yet pay such low rates that the women in question probably have no choice but to be high volume.

I try to work with clients who want to preserve their anonymity. If they have no references I ask if they have review history. If they have nothing to show me than I don't see them. Sorry but just because I'm in this business doesn't mean I shouldn't have any degree of safety. I still make good money using the system that I do and I haven't had any issues with being ripped off, getting hurt or being arrested. I will say that I've dodged many bullets; turning away prospective clients who I have later found out to be convicted sex offenders or individuals with a violent criminal history.

There is plenty of "pussy" but there is also plenty of clients to go around. Many of them aren't the "sad old men" you seem to think they are. This area has plenty of well to do residents and business travelers who are willing to pay more than $80 to have a good time and are willing to be screened.

It's pretty clear though that this group could care less. Considering someone's comment about them preferring a provider has a pimp than a screening process. It's also clear many don't understand how references work. They cannot be easily fabricated as some would claim. There is a news story about a woman in Long Island who was bludgeoned with a hammer and died after demanding payment from a client with a violent criminal history. The woman most likely didn't screen. If she did she would be living today.

[QUOTE=JRoy12;3164156]Why are we getting so upset about what guys are willing to pay and go through to spend time with their lady of choice. It's ALL an individual choice that comes down to what a man wants. I spend time with both types of ladies. Yesterday I spent time wth Scorpio for $. 4, next month I'm already set up to see a hot Russian chic coming through for $$ 5. I'm ok with both but I will tell you this, my time with the hot Russian chic will be WAY better than my time with Scorpio was and therefore worth it to me. In fact, I made a choice yesterday to try Scorpio (a 6 IMO) over seeing a girl with NCVIP (a 9 IMO). My time was ok, I saved $. 6, I didn't enjoy myself as much as I would have so I look at it as a loss and wish I would have spent the extra money. DFK, BBBJ and being treated like I'm the only guy in the world for an hour are important to me. And as far as screening goes, I have been screened once by an agency and once by P411, both a simple phone call to my work place asking to speak to me. The receptionist had no idea who was calling or why. It was just a person calling to talk to me. I'm sure we have all had a phone call or two at work. After that, NCVIP took my reference from the other agency and my P411 and every other girl / agency has used my P411 so I haven't had to screen since then. Have fun at whatever level and for whatever reason you are in this hobby but don't begrudge me my agency / high class providers.[/QUOTE]These are my feelings exactly. Just a few days ago I went to an AAMP, and I will be going back. But I could have spent and extra $ and seen Noa (if she was available on weekends) or one of the NCVIP ladies for $. 4 more. Would it have been worth it for the BBBJ, DFK, overall GFE experience, probably, but I wanted to try something new and I wanted a bit of a massage. So I went a different direction this time. It all comes down to what you want, and I really wish I could find beautiful girls for under $. 2 hh that I wanted to spend time with. The only one I found at that price was Sarah Leigh earlier this year. She made me wait forever, but she was cute and GFE during the session.

The screening for P411 is so easy. A simple phone call, and they'll even read a script if you have a receptionist that likes to ask questions. So you could tell the P411 screener to say they're calling from your local bank or Hospital about changing an appointment. Something like that. It's all really easy, and I was comfortable enough with it to do it. And glad that I did because it makes screening so easy and gives me a sense of security in the hobby.

[QUOTE=JRoy12;3164162]Who else is already searching the names in the arrest article using FB to see if any are hot?[/QUOTE]"hey, need any cash for your legal fees?" Hasn't worked yet, but I did get panhandled by a girl I messaged months before and ended up boning her in the woods by my house for 40!

As for angry, not angry, A2 could summarize it better, but to me, this board exists largely because there are a lot of scams and ripoffs out there, and while there are a lot of douchebags, I would be willing to bet there are a lot more girls we need to watch out for than guys the girls need to watch out for. Our whole tack here is to arm yourself with info and play defense at all times. Is that anger? I just think it's calling a spade a spade and pointing out what I know. Take it for what you will. And YMMV.

Each guy also has a different situation at home, and is looking for different things in a girl. My needs are met by the girl next door who just needs cash.

[QUOTE=JRoy12;3164156]Why are we getting so upset about what guys are willing to pay and go through to spend time with their lady of choice. It's ALL an individual choice that comes down to what a man wants. I spend time with both types of ladies. Yesterday I spent time wth Scorpio for $. 4, next month I'm already set up to see a hot Russian chic coming through for $$ 5. I'm ok with both but I will tell you this, my time with the hot Russian chic will be WAY better than my time with Scorpio was and therefore worth it to me. In fact, I made a choice yesterday to try Scorpio (a 6 IMO) over seeing a girl with NCVIP (a 9 IMO). My time was ok, I saved $. 6, I didn't enjoy myself as much as I would have so I look at it as a loss and wish I would have spent the extra money. DFK, BBBJ and being treated like I'm the only guy in the world for an hour are important to me. And as far as screening goes, I have been screened once by an agency and once by P411, both a simple phone call to my work place asking to speak to me. The receptionist had no idea who was calling or why. It was just a person calling to talk to me. I'm sure we have all had a phone call or two at work. After that, NCVIP took my reference from the other agency and my P411 and every other girl / agency has used my P411 so I haven't had to screen since then. Have fun at whatever level and for whatever reason you are in this hobby but don't begrudge me my agency / high class providers.[/QUOTE]Angry? Upset? Well it is the "rant and rave" thread! But seriously I don't think its anger it's really just a concern are you getting what you pay for. I can put some Korean tires on my car for $500 or I can put some Michelins on for $1100. I just don't want to pay $1100 for Korean tires. I agree if a guy has the disposable cash to pay for the premo escort girl God bless him. If a guy splurges a few times a year for his birthday or he got that bonus at work great! But my 2 cent comment was about the average girl out there either charging too much based on her services or her screening process is as if she is one of those elite ladies that I should be honored to give cash too. Oh I agree there is plenty of that poontang out there that definitly would and does fetch a nice fee per visit just not my cash. I'll leave that to the ones that can afford it. I'd rather bust a nut with 3 different ladies than save up for one. Nobody's right or wrong it's just a personal choice and whether the girl is worth it or not is also a personal choice. But back to the original point of when an average girl in a messy run down place starts asking for references and charges too much, that's enough to rant a little about. I've seen several post on the BP provider section that indicate guys see their regulars but are Leary of the new ones because of so many misleading ads and in general compared to the recent past the prices have been bumping up while the quality has been dropping. This kind of ties in with WTF is she asking me all the questions for. Again not angry, Hey lady I don't want to know you I just want some pussy and NO I'm not adding you to my payroll so let's not get personal. Oops I'm getting angry. LOL.

A lot of postings so I'll through my 45 cents in. Not long ago, before Backpage, there were single girls or single moms (scale of 4 - 6) who needed some infant formula money so on Friday and Saturday nights they would hang out in the dark near bars or strip clubs to earn some cash. Not long ago, before Craigslist, there were attractive (scale of 7 -8) college girls who worked the strip club scene and you could talk one of them into going home with you after she called it quits for the night. Not long ago, before the smartphone, you could look in the classifieds and find high class escort agencies with hot girls (scale of 9 - 10) who looked great regardless of their age.

A BJ on the street use to be $20 and some backseat action would just be $40. These girls just needed some cash to cover the electric bill in the middle of the month or some extra food for the kids. Escorts were always more and the more exclusive she was to clients, then the more her asking price was. It use to be when a girl was high volume then her rate was a lot lower, when compared to a girl who was low volume and catered to white collar businessmen. When the internet came along everybody thought they were a star since they could advertise for themselves online. The rates have doubled and tripled simply because the average streetwalker now has a motel room and books appointments like an escort girl use to do. In her mind she is now worth more simply because of how she now conducts her "work" and not based on her looks or the quality of her services. Privacy was lost with the internet and many girls who once operated in the shadow of their family's knowledge now decided to post fake pictures, but they use to be a fair representation. These days more and more girls post pictures that are not a fair representation of themselves. If the picture is real it was +20 pounds ago or before the drugs changed her look for the worse. Girls use to be a lot sweeter and a lot nicer in this line of work. The worst you would find was an occasionally 420 high or alcohol buzz. These days there are scams and attitudes with the sole purpose of just getting your money with no intent to provide a fair and equal service in return. These days with the drug epidemic of Heroin and Prescription meds have forced addicted girls to the streets. These drugs are not cheap and to support their highly addictive habit plus maintain some standard of living these types of girls have driven up the rates for everyone else because of their expensive self-destructing habit.

Times have changed; the quality is not what is use to be and the service you get in return is not what it use to be. These days girls live in denial and they all think they have a beautiful face, a hot body and their service is too die for. This is not the case and rates use to be scaled according to her looks, her body and her level of service, but not anymore since most of the girls think they are equal to the next girl. A streetwalker back in the day was an average girl who use to give good service with no attitude. She was very thankful that you gave her some business. Why can't we just have some average, nice girls who are not doing drugs and regardless of their look or body type just they provide a good service for the rate. The answer is "no" because these girls are greedy and live in a self-centered life where a honest service for a honest wage doesn't mean anything anymore. Girls with fake beauty (injected boobs, lips and ass with a chiseled nose and chin) is so not real either. A girl is a girl for her natural beauty, her smile, her carefree spirit, and her laughter. You just can't find many real girls these days who also want to show you a good time, for a fair rate, behind closed doors.

[QUOTE=InaraIncognito;3164232]If that's your MO and it works than good for you. I find it to be a bit of a paradox that you aren't willing to see someone who has "500 reviews" yet pay such low rates that the women in question probably have no choice but to be high volume.

I try to work with clients who want to preserve their anonymity. If they have no references I ask if they have review history. If they have nothing to show me than I don't see them. Sorry but just because I'm in this business doesn't mean I shouldn't have any degree of safety. I still make good money using the system that I do and I haven't had any issues with being ripped off, getting hurt or being arrested. I will say that I've dodged many bullets; turning away prospective clients who I have later found out to be convicted sex offenders or individuals with a violent criminal history.

There is plenty of "pussy" but there is also plenty of clients to go around. Many of them aren't the "sad old men" you seem to think they are. This area has plenty of well to do residents and business travelers who are willing to pay more than $80 to have a good time and are willing to be screened.

It's pretty clear though that this group could care less. Considering someone's comment about them preferring a provider has a pimp than a screening process. It's also clear many don't understand how references work. They cannot be easily fabricated as some would claim. There is a news story about a woman in Long Island who was bludgeoned with a hammer and died after demanding payment from a client with a violent criminal history. The woman most likely didn't screen. If she did she would be living today.[/QUOTE]"This group" cares about this group more than they care about you, and the drama you bring to this forum is unnecessary. Are you really suggesting that screening would have prevented the unfortunate incident you reference? That's just silly. Bottom line, and again IMO, screening is dangerous for the client if you have anything to lose.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3164869]A lot of postings so I'll through my 45 cents in. Not long ago, before Backpage, there were single girls or single moms (scale of 4 - 6) who needed some infant formula money so on Friday and Saturday nights they would hang out in the dark near bars or strip clubs to earn some cash. Not long ago, before Craigslist, there were attractive (scale of 7 -8) college girls who worked the strip club scene and you could talk one of them into going home with you after she called it quits for the night. Not long ago, before the smartphone, you could look in the classifieds and find high class escort agencies with hot girls (scale of 9 - 10) who looked great regardless of their age.

A BJ on the street use to be $20 and some backseat action would just be $40. These girls just needed some cash to cover the electric bill in the middle of the month or some extra food for the kids. Escorts were always more and the more exclusive she was to clients, then the more her asking price was. It use to be when a girl was high volume then her rate was a lot lower, when compared to a girl who was low volume and catered to white collar businessmen. When the internet came along everybody thought they were a star since they could advertise for themselves online. The rates have doubled and tripled simply because the average streetwalker now has a motel room and books appointments like an escort girl use to do. In her mind she is now worth more simply because of how she now conducts her "work" and not based on her looks or the quality of her services. Privacy was lost with the internet and many girls who once operated in the shadow of their family's knowledge now decided to post fake pictures, but they use to be a fair representation. These days more and more girls post pictures that are not a fair representation of themselves. If the picture is real it was +20 pounds ago or before the drugs changed her look for the worse. Girls use to be a lot sweeter and a lot nicer in this line of work. The worst you would find was an occasionally 420 high or alcohol buzz. These days there are scams and attitudes with the sole purpose of just getting your money with no intent to provide a fair and equal service in return. These days with the drug epidemic of Heroin and Prescription meds have forced addicted girls to the streets. These drugs are not cheap and to support their highly addictive habit plus maintain some standard of living these types of girls have driven up the rates for everyone else because of their expensive self-destructing habit.

Times have changed; the quality is not what is use to be and the service you get in return is not what it use to be. These days girls live in denial and they all think they have a beautiful face, a hot body and their service is too die for. This is not the case and rates use to be scaled according to her looks, her body and her level of service, but not anymore since most of the girls think they are equal to the next girl. A streetwalker back in the day was an average girl who use to give good service with no attitude. She was very thankful that you gave her some business. Why can't we just have some average, nice girls who are not doing drugs and regardless of their look or body type just they provide a good service for the rate. The answer is "no" because these girls are greedy and live in a self-centered life where a honest service for a honest wage doesn't mean anything anymore. Girls with fake beauty (injected boobs, lips and ass with a chiseled nose and chin) is so not real either. A girl is a girl for her natural beauty, her smile, her carefree spirit, and her laughter. You just can't find many real girls these days who also want to show you a good time, for a fair rate, behind closed doors.[/QUOTE]Nothing greedy about charging more than a woman who abuses drugs and provides shit service. That's just good business sense. If you start charging the same as one of these girls and offer crap like QVs your business plummets and you end up seeing bad clients for less money (yes there is a correlation between rates and quality of client). Though I think your nostalgia for the olden days is a bit misguided (keep in mind inflation and the rising cost of living in the RDU area) there is no doubt this work is being looked at as a quick fix for anything with the ease of posting an ad and pictures behind closed doors. There are many who should not be involved in this business at all. Reviews pressure women to get plastic surgery in order to be able to charge more so there's that. It's not as if what we do is some kind of hobby for most of us. Like anyone else we want to raise our income potential as well.

[QUOTE=InaraIncognito;3164943]Nothing greedy about charging more than a woman who abuses drugs and provides shit service. That's just good business sense. If you start charging the same as one of these girls and offer crap like QVs your business plummets and you end up seeing bad clients for less money (yes there is a correlation between rates and quality of client). Though I think your nostalgia for the olden days is a bit misguided (keep in mind inflation and the rising cost of living in the RDU area) there is no doubt this work is being looked at as a quick fix for anything with the ease of posting an ad and pictures behind closed doors. There are many who should not be involved in this business at all. Reviews pressure women to get plastic surgery in order to be able to charge more so there's that. It's not as if what we do is some kind of hobby for most of us. Like anyone else we want to raise our income potential as well.[/QUOTE]If the girl who is abusing drugs is over charging and you know raise your rate than you are overcharging too. I understand good business and it makes since for you to separate yourself if your services are better, but from the customer standpoint he is getting screwed on both levels. Bad clients can come from all economic walks of life, but I agree that the odds are less likely if the rate reaches a certain amount. A QV doesn't lower your standard it just limits the available options while still scratching the clients itch and wetting his appetite for a longer future visit with more options. A QV is a stick and go or a blow and go and at 60 - 100 for 10 -15 minutes is not a bad option for any girl, especially if its an established client. True there are many who shouldn't be in the business, but there are clients who don't have much pocket change so girls who are not ideal still fill a role for those clients. Reviews might put some pressure on a few girls who are vain but the majority reviews talk about service and attitude. Looking like a real life Barbie Doll does appeal to some guys, but most guys just want the "girl next door" feel because that's reality for most people. If a girl would lose some weight, bath, smell fresh, have a good attitude and improve her skills then most clients would be satisfied. For those clients who only want a model type girl well the rate does go up, but how often do these type girls offer excellent service? Not many, because they solely rely on their looks and that only goes but so far. As for girls relying on this lifestyle to sustain their livelihood for the long term well with time things only get worse. Girls age faster in this line of work. The likelihood of a STD is just a matter of time. Meeting that bad client who will rob or rape you is also just a matter a time. Jealousy among other girls in the same line of work is just a matter of time. Having an end game plan is often not formulated because living right now is more important than; saving to pay a full college tuition, saving to pay a town-home or condo and investing in a 401 K to transfer from this downward spiral lifestyle to a more healthier and stable career after a college degree.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3166121]If the girl who is abusing drugs is over charging and you know raise your rate than you are overcharging too. I understand good business and it makes since for you to separate yourself if your services are better, but from the customer standpoint he is getting screwed on both levels. Bad clients can come from all economic walks of life, but I agree that the odds are less likely if the rate reaches a certain amount. A QV doesn't lower your standard it just limits the available options while still scratching the clients itch and wetting his appetite for a longer future visit with more options. A QV is a stick and go or a blow and go and at 60 - 100 for 10 -15 minutes is not a bad option for any girl, especially if its an established client. True there are many who shouldn't be in the business, but there are clients who don't have much pocket change so girls who are not ideal still fill a role for those clients. Reviews might put some pressure on a few girls who are vain but the majority reviews talk about service and attitude. Looking like a real life Barbie Doll does appeal to some guys, but most guys just want the "girl next door" feel because that's reality for most people. If a girl would lose some weight, bath, smell fresh, have a good attitude and improve her skills then most clients would be satisfied. For those clients who only want a model type girl well the rate does go up, but how often do these type girls offer excellent service? Not many, because they solely rely on their looks and that only goes but so far. As for girls relying on this lifestyle to sustain their livelihood for the long term well with time things only get worse. Girls age faster in this line of work. The likelihood of a STD is just a matter of time. Meeting that bad client who will rob or rape you is also just a matter a time. Jealousy among other girls in the same line of work is just a matter of time. Having an end game plan is often not formulated because living right now is more important than; saving to pay a full college tuition, saving to pay a town-home or condo and investing in a 401 K to transfer from this downward spiral lifestyle to a more healthier and stable career after a college degree.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry you view it as "overcharging" but offering lower rates and QVs will inevitably make you higher volume. Burnout is real in this profession which is why I think as you said many age quicker and go on to lead unhealthy lifestyles. Also the more clients you see the more likely you are to have something bad happen to you like being robbed or beaten or catching an STD. I like sticking to mostly regulars and add in a few new clients every month and it works pretty well for me.

I agree it's important to have a plan afterwards. Luckily I have a free ride to college whenever I choose to go. We all have a shelf life and this profession has many of us leading double lives which can be stressful and exhausting. I think women who get plastic surgery see it as an investment because they can charge higher rates and work less. Thus reducing the stress. I'm not saying I agree with it but my friends who charge over $500 an hour have gotten some kind of work done.

I don't have friends in this profession which are in the area. They also charge a lot more than me so it's not like we are competing for the same clients either way. Jealousy among providers is stupid considering we all have something different to offer.

[QUOTE=Wusher25;3168064]I got screened with Dawn and scheduled an appointment for yesterday morning. I woke up with some sniffles and thought I might be getting a cold or a sinus infection so I texted Dawn to let her know I might need to cancel. This was an hour and a half before our appointment time so she'd have time to reschedule.

After taking a shower and a Zyrtec I came to think it was just seasonal allergies so I texted her back to see if I could still see her.

Silence.

I texted her again saying I'd really like to see her if possible but got no response.

I texted again saying I sincerely hoped I hadn't alienated her already and still got no response.

Last night I sent her a text asking if we could try again this morning but she never responded.

It seems as if she's written me off as a potential client.

I guess that's what I get for being conscientious.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MedJohnson;3168742]Can't blame her for cutting you loose, you're the one who changed plans at the last minute. And seriously over texted as well. Very suspicious and I wouldn't have replied either. Should have just cancelled and rescheduled.[/QUOTE]Not suspicious. The dude seemed like he was trying to be thoughtful. He texted her an hour and half before the appointment. The title of your post pissed me off as well as you calling dude suspicious. No where close to being helpful. If you don't have a review or a helpful comment and just want to criticize you can do one of two things: 1) post in this thread or 2) shut up.

[QUOTE=GetControl;3169204]Not suspicious. The dude seemed like he was trying to be thoughtful. He texted her an hour and half before the appointment. The title of your post pissed me off as well as you calling dude suspicious. No where close to being helpful. If you don't have a review or a helpful comment and just want to criticize you can do one of two things: 1) post in this thread or 2) shut up.[/QUOTE]Every post on this board indicTes you are a moron. Not just any moron, but king of the morons.

[QUOTE=Tabor;3169853]Every post on this board indicTes you are a moron. Not just any moron, but king of the morons.[/QUOTE]This is the right thread for your opinion.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the hobby.

[QUOTE=JoeySambora;3171239]I wonder if this has anything to do with the hobby.[/QUOTE]Wow last week one on 55 in duram at crosslands. This hobby is getting more and more dangerous. Never did get ant more details on that last one.

[QUOTE=RaleighConnect;3171641]Wow last week one on 55 in duram at crosslands. This hobby is getting more and more dangerous. Never did get ant more details on that last one.[/QUOTE]Why do you think this is hobby related? My knee jerk reaction would be it has nothing to do with hobby.

Anyways I am very cautious and will continue to be that way.

[QUOTE=RaleighConnect;3171641]Wow last week one on 55 in duram at crosslands. This hobby is getting more and more dangerous. Never did get ant more details on that last one.[/QUOTE]One I've the victims was Muneka. Very very sad to hear. Such a sweetheart.

[QUOTE=RaleighConnect;3171641]Wow last week one on 55 in duram at crosslands. This hobby is getting more and more dangerous. Never did get ant more details on that last one.[/QUOTE]




R. I. P. Muneka 22 yrs old.

Far to young.

[QUOTE=Sgiii;3171832]R. I. P. Muneka 22 yrs old.

Far to young.[/QUOTE]Just heard the name on the TV from the other room, immediately knew the real name as Muneka. A girl I never saw, and for 2-3 years kept saying "Why have I not gone to see her yet?" How terrible. I believe she has kids, too. Jesus christ.

[QUOTE=Sgiii;3171832]R. I. P. Muneka 22 yrs old.

Far to young.[/QUOTE]That girl is dead? That's terrible. Are you sure?

[QUOTE=Sgiii;3171832]R. I. P. Muneka 22 yrs old.

Far to young.[/QUOTE]Wow, that's messed up. So young.

[QUOTE=RaleighConnect;3171641]Wow last week one on 55 in duram at crosslands. This hobby is getting more and more dangerous. Never did get ant more details on that last one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sgiii;3171832]R. I. P. Muneka 22 yrs old.

Far to young.[/QUOTE]Total B. S. !

Hopefully her phone and the hotel security cameras will give Uncle some clues. She had a male friend when she stayed at the Red Roof on S. Saunders. I usually keep my protection in the car but it's time to keep it on me. A CC class is not very expensive and I suggest you invest in some protection if you're visiting unknown or shady places.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3171906]Total B. S. !

Hopefully her phone and the hotel security cameras will give Uncle some clues. She had a male friend when she stayed at the Red Roof on S. Saunders. I usually keep my protection in the car but it's time to keep it on me. A CC class is not very expensive and I suggest you invest in some protection if you're visiting unknown or shady places.[/QUOTE]For the most part you're going to be OK. However with more and more events occurring like this, it makes you wonder. I seem to believe that 99% of the time drug addiction and a bad one (not that a little is good) is the main reason. Violence seems to occur for whatever reason shortly after.

[QUOTE=Buki1;3164960]I have an attorney on retainer. When I've been pulled over in sketchy situations, I love the look on the cops face when I present license, registration, insurance and my attorney's business card. I have nothing to say except "I'm happy to discuss your concerns with my attorney present. " "Thank you Mr. * and have a good day" has always been the response. Access to finincial resources is good for more than just pussy. Always have a plan.[/QUOTE]But Buki just taught me one there. I would imagine presenting a card from an attorney, especially any prominent local defense attorneys would suffice as a bluff-calling exercise in these situations as well. Maybe? Hmm. Nice one, Buki.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3171906]Total B. S. !

Hopefully her phone and the hotel security cameras will give Uncle some clues. She had a male friend when she stayed at the Red Roof on S. Saunders. I usually keep my protection in the car but it's time to keep it on me. A CC class is not very expensive and I suggest you invest in some protection if you're visiting unknown or shady places.[/QUOTE]I have a CC permit. And, if you took the class and paid attention, carrying a weopon when engaging in any illegal activity is a serious offense. If you are in the company of an escort (the illegal activity), and end up using your gun you will likely end up in prison yourself and lose your CC privaledges permanenetly. You may want to think seriously about the advice you are giving.

The whole thing is spot-on, but I'll save page space and quote only the most-major point.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3164869]When the internet came along everybody thought they were a star since they could advertise for themselves online.[/QUOTE]'nuff said. The internet brought us the ease of CL and BP, and has also begun to destroy society. Without even touching on the reality of our politics due to the internet, which is a monumental disaster (yes, a yuuge one), there is the degradation of reality, interpersonal skills, and anything of value. Everything on the internet has been made cheap and easy, with no commitment, and all the while exposing society's basest and worst tendencies. No one gives a fuck about anyone but themselves, everything is disposable (including clients and people feelings and decency), it's all about pretending to be something you aren't and just feeding your momentary desire and getting by til the next day, with no regard for anything of true importance and certainly, no thoughtful consideration of it. Just worry about looking good on Instagram and that's all that fucking matters.

Adding to the fast rise of our very own Idiocracy, as if our politics and (at least) millennial-generation everything-is-temporary-and-disposable attitude aren't enough, you have a heroin epidemic that has ensnared some typically-thoughtful people into destructive zombies, and it's not going to get better anytime soon. And I am not trying to start a political discussion, thugs will always have guns, yes, but just like more rain increases the potential for floods, the more guns on the street, the more guns will fall into the wrong hands, and the more guns there are, the more shootings there are. This is just fact with anything that you introduce too much of. Cane toads in Australia, Kudzu. You bring too much in, it's going to get out of hand. It's just a function of saturation, and there's no getting around that no matter what your view. So you add guns to the mix of shitty attitudes, heroin addicts and selfishness, and you end up with a giant shitstorm of fuck, aka regular stories of shootings at North Raleigh (Glenwood, not even Capital) or RTP (yes, NC55 over there is pretty much RTP, it's not exactly downtown Durham), on and on.

As far as the single moms and broke students, I've asked the same myself as you may know. Truly though, the best broke student and single mom action I got was from 07-maybe 2011. These were bookends for times of high unemployment, and the unemployment rate just hit another low today, a 9 year low. There are usually a boatload of "Christmas help needed" ads on CL, and there are maybe 2 or 3 this season. The non-pro types who are desperate just aren't as desperate right now, either from being employed, or a sense that they will soon be employed, therefore aren't likely to entertain something such as "working. " Just what I posit right now.

I don't know what the answer is. I've found a couple of diamonds over the past year, but they are hard to find, you just have to keep looking and looking, and then once you find them, inevitably they will come and go, and you're liucky if you see them a few times over a couple months before their situation improves and they are gone again.

[QUOTE=Sgiii;3171832]R. I. P. Muneka 22 yrs old.

Far to young.[/QUOTE]So sad- had 3 kids, was a track star before injury, and just a nice person. She had a tough life. Too short. RIP.

Stay safe.

Med.

Crystal clear in color close up picture of the two suspects. They will be caught!

[QUOTE=Johnny6722;3172026]I have a CC permit. And, if you took the class and paid attention, carrying a weopon when engaging in any illegal activity is a serious offense. If you are in the company of an escort (the illegal activity), and end up using your gun you will likely end up in prison yourself and lose your CC privaledges permanenetly. You may want to think seriously about the advice you are giving.[/QUOTE]Yes it's better to be found dead in a hotel room. Besides, just because you are a CC "warrior" does not mean you have the situational awareness or the instinct to pull the trigger. Being smart is your best defense, not only for you but for the lady your with. Ok. First and last post. Back to lurking.

[QUOTE=Johnny6722;3172026]I have a CC permit. And, if you took the class and paid attention, carrying a weopon when engaging in any illegal activity is a serious offense. If you are in the company of an escort (the illegal activity), and end up using your gun you will likely end up in prison yourself and lose your CC privaledges permanenetly. You may want to think seriously about the advice you are giving.[/QUOTE]Two former NFL players have been shot and killed in New Orleans because of road rage incidents. People drive like lunatics here in the triangle so you don't have to be elsewhere to be caught up in a potentially bad situation anywhere.

1 - I'm not engaging in any illegal activity. It's not illegal to be with an escort. It's illegal to be caught exchanging money for sex and I don't do that and neither should you.

2 - I always have the right to self defense.

3 - It only takes a moment to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, so be prepared.

I know what your trying to say but I always put my donation down for her time. If a girl starts saying well (x) amount will get you (y) service well my donation stays in my pocket and it's time to say goodbye. Also, I check an area out before I make that last call for her room number. If I feel comfortable then I keep my protection in the car and I proceed. If I don't feel comfortable after checking an area out then I don't make that final call and I move on. The only problem is what happens if something goes wrong while you're spending time with a certain lady? It's too late then, because your protection is in the car. I'm just saying that the possibility is real, especially if you travel to certain places at night and secondly if the girl is involved in heavy drugs. Don't be a victim because you was not prepared!