Thunderdome

[QUOTE=Gansett;1959771]Muff,

Like you I only come here now for shits and giggles to read the latest rants and raves of the noobs about us Srs.

Dummies don't realize the knowledge we've gained, along with names and numbers of good providers. Fuck'them.

I really don't know why we needed this so-called thunderdome? Jackson moderated this forum for years and only when moderation was needed. Rarely did he intervene.

I guess being a mod makes admin2's weiner plump up, like a Fenway Frank. KWIM?[/QUOTE]Your knowledge of mongering is pretty impressive I can only one day hope. Nah fuck you dick bag.

[QUOTE=Gansett;1959771]I really don't know why we needed this so-called thunderdome? Jackson moderated this forum for years and only when moderation was needed. Rarely did he intervene. I guess being a mod makes admin2's weiner plump up, like a Fenway Frank. KWIM?[/QUOTE][BLUE]I started the Thunderdome for stupid shit like this to keep it off of the review threads.

This past Sunday while we were watching the Packers get killed by the Cowboys at the AP House I talked to Jax about you Gansett, he said, and this is a direct quote, "Fuck that asshole, ban him." When I explained about what was going on here in Providence and asked him what he thought I should do, he went on to say, and this is also a quote "I don't know why you put up with that shit, ban everyone of those fuckers." Unless you just want to shut the city down for six months?"

I was going to ask him to take a look and maybe post something to shut you up but I figured I'd let you keep going a little while longer. This forum will survive the loss of you. It will even survive the loss of Providence, it's one town in a really big country, a nice town I admit, I've been there, but still only one.

I'm at the end of my patience with you assholes that want to keep bitching like little girls because you think you own this forum, the guy that actually does is very happy with my work. Gansett you specifically are a cancer to this forum, and I've given you all the space in the world to do nothing else besides stop being an asshole but you couldn't because being an asshole isn't something you do, it's something you are. That's why I just put you back on moderation. That's why you can't play here anymore, you're restricted to posting [b]only[/b] your experiences with chicks, nothing else. If that means you post nothing I'll be grateful for the fucking peace and quiet. Violating this restriction isn't an argumentative infraction, it's Violating Admin Restrictions, two of those and you're gone.

In the interest of fairness that goes for MuffyTheDiver, Srtmdc, and that asshole Hia8591 as well. All of you guys are restricted to posting nothing more than your direct experiences with providers, no quoting, no commenting, just "I fucked her, she was whatever." Burn up the PM's, tell all your buddies what a douche I am, I could give a fuck less, I'm sick of this shit. Every one of you that don't like the way I do the job are invited to get the fuck out of here. And yes, that also comes directly from Jackson, remember, unlike you, I actually know him. So go ahead, write him, I can tell you in advance what he will do. Two minutes after he reads the email will be the last moment you can log into the forum under this name. So please, pretty, pretty, pretty fucking please, write him and complain.

I should have done this an age ago,

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Please bear with me, This is NOT a complaint and I can see BOTH sides of the current issue.

From what I've both seen and personally experienced all the issues trace back to moderated members "attacking" more established members and they in return firing back. As far as I know NONE of this was senior versus senior and IN THEORY if the post that "attacked" never made it up there then it would all be a much happier place.

From the person's being attacked perspective, the post was approved / moderated already. That being said, Admin has a TON of work to do here guys. There are a shit load of threads that all have to be maintained and as Admin2 explained to me he will "approve" posts that he doesn't know is an attack as he doesn't see the whole context of the thread he only see's the individual post which if taken by itself may seem OK. So unless the "attacker" either quotes someone else or makes it painfully obvious he won't know.

The procedure after this happens is to REPORT the post and have it get rectified but tempers can flare and then the shitstorm takes off.

My suggestion or question is: can we somehow get an experienced local volunteer assistant moderator to help make sure that what gets posted is legit? I have seen other threads that are moderated by members and even some have their own threads.

If we can work together to stop the senseless attacks from making it to the boards in the first place we can all get back to the EXCHANGE of information and let us all get as much pussy as you can handle.

Last question and I don't even know if it is possible but maybe it would help if the "post count" only goes up if you CONTRIBUTE some info. A comment on someone else's post or a question would be posted but you don't receive "credit" for it? Something like a +1 when you add to the site?

Finally, if an unmoderated "senior" breaks the rules he can very easily be sanctioned as we all know. Remember the axiom, it only takes one awe shit to ruin 10 attaboys.

[QUOTE=HornyAsHell;1960387]Please bear with me, This is NOT a complaint and I can see BOTH sides of the current issue.

From what I've both seen and personally experienced all the issues trace back to moderated members "attacking" more established members and they in return firing back. As far as I know NONE of this was senior versus senior and IN THEORY if the post that "attacked" never made it up there then it would all be a much happier place.

From the person's being attacked perspective, the post was approved / moderated already. That being said, Admin has a TON of work to do here guys. There are a shit load of threads that all have to be maintained and as Admin2 explained to me he will "approve" posts that he doesn't know is an attack as he doesn't see the whole context of the thread he only see's the individual post which if taken by itself may seem OK. So unless the "attacker" either quotes someone else or makes it painfully obvious he won't know.

The procedure after this happens is to REPORT the post and have it get rectified but tempers can flare and then the shitstorm takes off.

My suggestion or question is: can we somehow get an experienced local volunteer assistant moderator to help make sure that what gets posted is legit? I have seen other threads that are moderated by members and even some have their own threads.

If we can work together to stop the senseless attacks from making it to the boards in the first place we can all get back to the EXCHANGE of information and let us all get as much pussy as you can handle.

Last question and I don't even know if it is possible but maybe it would help if the "post count" only goes up if you CONTRIBUTE some info. A comment on someone else's post or a question would be posted but you don't receive "credit" for it? Something like a +1 when you add to the site?

Finally, if an unmoderated "senior" breaks the rules he can very easily be sanctioned as we all know. Remember the axiom, it only takes one awe shit to ruin 10 attaboys.[/QUOTE]I was thinking the same thing but something occurred to me. The reason this forum exists is because the servers, Jackson, and A2 are outside the US therefore the laws don't affect them. It's different for us. Could we implicate ourselves taking part in such a way?

...what can happen. But I would guess the cops need a witness to a crime, so they need to find you, then go find the woman you supposedly engaged in a criminal act with, then get everyone to agree they engaged in a crime, then get a the to prosecute it. Sure, they could do it. But its a massive undertaking with unknown results. Probably get better results with a crackdown on SCs, MPs and SWers.

For all anybody knows, the most prolific posters could just be some guys reading these boards and making up stories for some sort of P.S.ychological reason.

[QUOTE=NYMonger;1960608]...what can happen. But I would guess the cops need a witness to a crime, so they need to find you, then go find the woman you supposedly engaged in a criminal act with, then get everyone to agree they engaged in a crime, then get a the to prosecute it. Sure, they could do it. But its a massive undertaking with unknown results. Probably get better results with a crackdown on SCs, MPs and SWers.

For all anybody knows, the most prolific posters could just be some guys reading these boards and making up stories for some sort of P.S.ychological reason.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure how they would even find a user in the first place. Unless they can get your IP address (and since this site is clearly hosted in a geographical location that the Providence police would have no jurisdiction, it seems unlikely that they'd be able to get a list of user IPs), they wouldn't even have any way of identifying you.

[QUOTE=Tp1701;1960534]I was thinking the same thing but something occurred to me. The reason this forum exists is because the servers, Jackson, and A2 are outside the US therefore the laws don't affect them. It's different for us. Could we implicate ourselves taking part in such a way?[/QUOTE][BLUE]IP address; first they have to serve us and compel us to give it up, difficult as everything is happening in several jurisdictions. They find a way to serve us where the servers are now, we move them somewhere else, and again, and again... you get the picture. Eventually they get our list of IP addresses, but you used a VPN that's outside of the US (if you're not, start doing so). So after they go through getting to your IP they have another server in Liberia, or Myanmar, or Nigeria that your IP was bouncing off.

Our records; unless you're dumb enough to use your Comcast email addy, they go through the legal maze to get all our info and the end up with the email you have on record for us which should be something like iluvpussy@gmail.com they subpoena me and buy me a ticket to the US and I say, "fuck I don't know, his email is iluvpussy@gmail.com, I can tell you he's an asshole, but that's about it."

Jax is pretty smart, he set it up like this for a reason.

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I was driving up Atwells and on my way to see a friend in Johnston, as I passed Academy A PVD cruiser pulled off Academy and in behind me. The blue lights came on and I pulled over. The cop came to my window and asked 1) where I was going. 2) where I was coming from? (the usual questions). I explained truthfully that I was on my way to Johnston. He called be a liar and that he had citizen complaints that I was cruising up and down Atwells. BAHAHAHA... Like the citizens in that neighborhood are friendly with POPO. Well the stop ensued with him asking for my papers, I complied. Two more PVD cruisers showed up, another officer asked me my intentions. And that officer asked me why my seat belt was off. I explained I took it off to retrieve my wallet after the first officer stopped me. I was then removed from my vehicle, hands against the hood and patted down. The officer then proceeded to search my car, without probable cause, or a warrant. That officer proceeded to explain the reason I was stopped was because of my out of state plate, and that the only reason I was there was for drugs or prostitutes. They stuck me back in my car, the first officer returned with a ticket for texting while driving (* WTF) and for a seat belt violation. Told me to turn around and go home. My wallet was on my seaehing. Criminal Cops... I HATE THEM..Just do your job, if you CATCH me actually doing something, then I will not complain. I got treated better when I was actually caught, and then let go... Any similar experiences?

[QUOTE=Bostonsailor;1983862]I was driving up Atwells and on my way to see a friend in Johnston, as I passed Academy A PVD cruiser pulled off Academy and in behind me. The blue lights came on and I pulled over. The cop came to my window and asked 1) where I was going. 2) where I was coming from? (the usual questions). I explained truthfully that I was on my way to Johnston. He called be a liar and that he had citizen complaints that I was cruising up and down Atwells. BAHAHAHA... Like the citizens in that neighborhood are friendly with POPO. Well the stop ensued with him asking for my papers, I complied. Two more PVD cruisers showed up, another officer asked me my intentions. And that officer asked me why my seat belt was off. I explained I took it off to retrieve my wallet after the first officer stopped me. I was then removed from my vehicle, hands against the hood and patted down. The officer then proceeded to search my car, without probable cause, or a warrant. That officer proceeded to explain the reason I was stopped was because of my out of state plate, and that the only reason I was there was for drugs or prostitutes. They stuck me back in my car, the first officer returned with a ticket for texting while driving (* WTF) and for a seat belt violation. Told me to turn around and go home. My wallet was on my seaehing. Criminal Cops... I HATE THEM..Just do your job, if you CATCH me actually doing something, then I will not complain. I got treated better when I was actually caught, and then let go... Any similar experiences?[/QUOTE]What time was this at?

I've been pulled over in that area twice, and once elsewhere...for zero reason other than me driving around. I am assuming it was late night...so you get the privilege of all the newby pigs trying to make a name for themselves as well as them rubbing one out with their new power. The one time I was pulled (PC area) near me claimed he had pulled me over twice before, despite that being total BS...I remember all cops faces. Another time I was on Bowdoin off Atwells and pulled over for no reason...pig-o claimed no blinker used at a stop sign. Asked where I was going and what not and was let go. The other time I was pulled over on Manton by a Providence cop...the reason was that I had passed a State trooper that had another victim pulled over, and that I passed too closely, total BS.

Meanwhile the murders, rapes, assaults, robberies, vandalization goes on and on in Providence.

It happen to me in the Manton area but pm me so I can tell you my story and how you will never have to deal with this again.

[QUOTE=Bostonsailor;1983862]I was driving up Atwells and on my way to see a friend in Johnston, as I passed Academy A PVD cruiser pulled off Academy and in behind me. The blue lights came on and I pulled over. The cop came to my window and asked 1) where I was going. 2) where I was coming from? (the usual questions). I explained truthfully that I was on my way to Johnston. He called be a liar and that he had citizen complaints that I was cruising up and down Atwells. BAHAHAHA... Like the citizens in that neighborhood are friendly with POPO. Well the stop ensued with him asking for my papers, I complied. Two more PVD cruisers showed up, another officer asked me my intentions. And that officer asked me why my seat belt was off. I explained I took it off to retrieve my wallet after the first officer stopped me. I was then removed from my vehicle, hands against the hood and patted down. The officer then proceeded to search my car, without probable cause, or a warrant. That officer proceeded to explain the reason I was stopped was because of my out of state plate, and that the only reason I was there was for drugs or prostitutes. They stuck me back in my car, the first officer returned with a ticket for texting while driving (* WTF) and for a seat belt violation. Told me to turn around and go home. My wallet was on my seaehing. Criminal Cops... I HATE THEM..Just do your job, if you CATCH me actually doing something, then I will not complain. I got treated better when I was actually caught, and then let go... Any similar experiences?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bostonsailor;1983862]I was driving up Atwells and on my way to see a friend in Johnston, as I passed Academy A PVD cruiser pulled off Academy and in behind me. The blue lights came on and I pulled over. The cop came to my window and asked 1) where I was going. 2) where I was coming from? (the usual questions). I explained truthfully that I was on my way to Johnston. He called be a liar and that he had citizen complaints that I was cruising up and down Atwells. BAHAHAHA... Like the citizens in that neighborhood are friendly with POPO. Well the stop ensued with him asking for my papers, I complied. Two more PVD cruisers showed up, another officer asked me my intentions. And that officer asked me why my seat belt was off. I explained I took it off to retrieve my wallet after the first officer stopped me. I was then removed from my vehicle, hands against the hood and patted down. The officer then proceeded to search my car, without probable cause, or a warrant. That officer proceeded to explain the reason I was stopped was because of my out of state plate, and that the only reason I was there was for drugs or prostitutes. They stuck me back in my car, the first officer returned with a ticket for texting while driving (* WTF) and for a seat belt violation. Told me to turn around and go home. My wallet was on my seaehing. Criminal Cops... I HATE THEM..Just do your job, if you CATCH me actually doing something, then I will not complain. I got treated better when I was actually caught, and then let go... Any similar experiences?[/QUOTE]There are some cases where merely having a condom has been used to say someone intends to pay for sex or take $ for sex.

If police want to search, you should politely tell them you do not consent to any searches without a warrant. Silence or not saying "no" can be interpreted as giving consent in some cases.

[QUOTE=Jack0505;1983935]There are some cases where merely having a condom has been used to say someone intends to pay for sex or take $ for sex.

If police want to search, you should politely tell them you do not consent to any searches without a warrant. Silence or not saying "no" can be interpreted as giving consent in some cases.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter what you say to them, especially RI LE, even though they need probable cause. If you are pulled over for any reason at all such as texting or a burnt out tail light bulb and they really want to bust your balls they just come up with an excuse to search your vehicle such as I believe I smell pot and please step out of the car. Also, nobody can drive absolutely perfectly in the lines as straight as an arrow flys so if they are gunning for you and want your ass they will pull you over for weaving. You are weaving sir, have you been drinking. Yes this can happen to people who don't drink and drive. If you think it doesn't happen just because it hasn't happened to you think again. No matter how straight you are the law is on their side and you most definitely will not win right or wrong. A lot of skeptics will say if you aren't doing anything wrong then you won't get in trouble. However that is not always the case. We are slowly turning into a communistic country where the govt. Continues to take away more of out constitutional rights and it is not for the better.

[QUOTE=Bostonsailor;1983862]I was driving up Atwells and on my way to see a friend in Johnston, as I passed Academy A PVD cruiser pulled off Academy and in behind me. The blue lights came on and I pulled over. The cop came to my window and asked 1) where I was going. 2) where I was coming from? (the usual questions). I explained truthfully that I was on my way to Johnston. He called be a liar and that he had citizen complaints that I was cruising up and down Atwells. BAHAHAHA... Like the citizens in that neighborhood are friendly with POPO. Well the stop ensued with him asking for my papers, I complied. Two more PVD cruisers showed up, another officer asked me my intentions. And that officer asked me why my seat belt was off. I explained I took it off to retrieve my wallet after the first officer stopped me. I was then removed from my vehicle, hands against the hood and patted down. The officer then proceeded to search my car, without probable cause, or a warrant. That officer proceeded to explain the reason I was stopped was because of my out of state plate, and that the only reason I was there was for drugs or prostitutes. They stuck me back in my car, the first officer returned with a ticket for texting while driving (* WTF) and for a seat belt violation. Told me to turn around and go home. My wallet was on my seaehing. Criminal Cops... I HATE THEM..Just do your job, if you CATCH me actually doing something, then I will not complain. I got treated better when I was actually caught, and then let go... Any similar experiences?[/QUOTE]I've been stopped at least at least 4 times that I can remember, for no good reason. One time I was with my ATF fortunately we discussed this situation and where on the same page. Bottom line you have to have your story straight before you head out.

Not trying to stir the pot but you guys do realize that what we are doing is breaking the law, right? We drive up and down these roads several times a night possibly several tomes a week. The cops and the girls talk regularly. The cops give them a break if they point out one of our cars or describe one of our cars. If we are seen with a known SW in our car we are added to the list of cars. It is not a matter of what we think is right or wrong it is the law and getting pulled over for being a known monger is just a risk we take. To think that the cops don't know who we are is rather foolish. The risk of doing something illegal and picking up a SW is what makes this exciting. I don't think I would enjoy it as much if that risk were not there.

There are different cops that go after the murderers, drug dealers... And ones that have the job of going after us.

[QUOTE=Fishes;1984398]I've been stopped at least at least 4 times that I can remember, for no good reason. One time I was with my ATF fortunately we discussed this situation and where on the same page. Bottom line you have to have your story straight before you head out.[/QUOTE]

Know your rights! Know the law! First off, stop mongering at 3 am, who the F at #$ is out at 3 am driving up and down, up and down? Mongers / junkies that's who! If the KC knows this, don't you think LEO knows this!? OMG! As I've said in a previous post, go out during the day, blend right in with the 'fabric' of the streets. Also, the KC laughs at these 'mongers' who pay HUGE $ to go to these spas, absolutely hilarious! (for a fifth of what you spend I grab little Courtney / shorty / Britney and have a blast!

Now to the educational aspect:

1. If a SW gets in your car she is NOT LEO! Period, end of story.

2. Simply having a condom on your person is NOT a crime.

3. If you're pulled over for no reason, immediately BUT politely ask "why am I being pulled over officer, I don't believe I am doing anything wrong, I know I wasn't speeding" this will make you more assertive to LEO and 'set the tone' that you are not a patsy, they will try to get away with as much as possible...if you let them. WHY WHY WHY! Why am I being asked to leave my vehicle? Why am I being treated like a criminal? The more you are assertive, well-spoken, polite and intelligent the more the cop will back off.

4. It is not against the law to 'drive around', tell them that if they get cocky, tell them: "I'm bored so I went for a ride to relax".

5. It's not against the law to pick up a KNOWN SW! That's right, THEY NEED TO CATCH YOU IN THE ACT! That's right, simply picking up a person (even a known SW) is NOT a crime! I tend to take my 'friends' to a secure location that is impregnable to LEO (off the streets) so they can't do shit to me. Lets assume a cop sees you picking up a kmown SW. How can they PROVE that you KNEW she was?! Ignorance is a GREAT alibi! You say: "I saw this cute chick so I figured I'd ask her if needed a lift" - NOT AGAINST THE LAW TO ASK SOMEONE IF THEY NEED A RIDE!

6. The take away from this is that you need to be a real idiot to be pinched on the streets, if you act guilty for no reason and are weak / passive they will bust your balls; if you act indignant, politely taken aback on why you're being pulled over and assert your rights they will back off. They're 'fishing' and often you give yourself away by being passive, they prey on weakness.

7. Be proud, not ashamed. Two consenting adults should be able to enter into any mutually agreeable contract that they choose, stick your chin up and don't be bullied by LEO.

8. If you insist on cruising at 2 am, then as soon as you see LEO you need to leave the area and hit another area, during the afternoon you can go up and down to infinity and never be bothered, also, you will scoop a much better quality of SW than the disparate hag out at 3 am.

9. Worst case scenario, you get pinched picking up a known SW and she rats you out, STILL NOT PROOF!

10. The prodigious KC is here for you! I enjoy the company of women half my age on the regular while my married friends are miserable with their fat, nagging wives! LOL I've been at this hobby (women, what better hobby could there be? For 20 years, never pinched, only pulled over 3 x (all when I was young and dumb!

KC.

I'm not trying to start any kind of war here at all BUT so much of what the "prodigious newbie" rant was just flat out WRONG that I'd feel bad if others took what was stated as being gospel when it's NOT.

First of all, out on the streets your "rights" mean jackshit and the officer can be 100% in the wrong and you can be 100% correct BUT he can still stop you at any time he wants to, he can search you and your vehicle, he can detain you and yes you may be able to get all the charges dropped later on BUT this will not only take time but it will cost money (bail, lawyer, missed work etc) AND since the charges are public record they will NOT go away and if they choose to do so they can even embarrass you by putting you on the news or in the paper as well. Not to mention that LEO can detain you for 24 hrs for no reason at all and it's completely LEGAL.

Secondly, an undercover LEO will not get in your car at all EVER but they have been known to have OTHER UNDERCOVERS pick up and drop off etc to make her look legit and then you fall for the legit looking bait. They can also "roll over" a known SW by having her being a cooperating CI etc and she can get in your car, go thru with the act AND THEN testify against you as well.

As for your assertion that it's NOT illegal to drive around? All they have to say is that they saw you loitering in a known area for drugs / SW's etc and it's LEGAL to pop you.

You claim that you have to be an idiot to get pinched?? BULLSHIT, I never have (knock on wood) but I also know numerous guys who have been and THEY'RE not idiots at all.

You claim you can hit the stroll all day long with impugnity? More utter BS and you also claim it's better looking SW's during the day? Well it CAN be but for the most part not that's not ironclad either. Some of my hottest scoops ever were in that 2 or 3 am PRIMETIME (especially after the hotties leave the club at closing time).

Lastly, some friendly advice, don't come in here and talk down to any other monger just because they don't monger the way that YOU think they should. Guys do what they want to and are comfortable with. Spend your time and money the way you want and keep the snide comments / bad advice to yourself. And yes, I have decades and THOUSANDS of scoops under my ass and at all times of day / night and all across the country too.

[QUOTE=KittenCharmer;1984953]Know your rights! Know the law! First off, stop mongering at 3 am, who the F at #$ is out at 3 am driving up and down, up and down? Mongers / junkies that's who! If the KC knows this, don't you think LEO knows this!? OMG! As I've said in a previous post, go out during the day, blend right in with the 'fabric' of the streets. Also, the KC laughs at these 'mongers' who pay HUGE $ to go to these spas, absolutely hilarious! (for a fifth of what you spend I grab little Courtney / shorty / Britney and have a blast!

Now to the educational aspect:

1. If a SW gets in your car she is NOT LEO! Period, end of story.

4. It is not against the law to 'drive around', tell them that if they get cocky, tell them: "I'm bored so I went for a ride to relax".

6. The take away from this is that you need to be a real idiot to be pinched on the streets,

8. If you insist on cruising at 2 am, then as soon as you see LEO you need to leave the area and hit another area, during the afternoon you can go up and down to infinity and never be bothered, also, you will scoop a much better quality of SW than the disparate hag out at 3 am.

10. The prodigious KC is here for you! I enjoy the company of women half my age on the regular while my married friends are miserable with their fat, nagging wives! LOL I've been at this hobby (women, what better hobby could there be? For 20 years, never pinched, only pulled over 3 x (all when I was young and dumb!

KC.[/QUOTE]

To illustrate my point that only idiots get pinched. Next time you read the police log and see the prostitution stings, what do all the mongers who get busted have in common? They ALL propositioned an undercover decoy. If she doesn't get in right away she could be nervous very likely she is a decoy. I had this happen to me over the summer, this cute Hispanic chick around late 20's comes to my passenger door and instead of getting in she tells me to roll the window down, I do, she's like "What's up, what you looking for"? Without flinching I say "sorry, you look like a friend of mine" and drive off.

As soon as she gets in, proposition away! This is why I find the streets the SAFEST place to monger! I know, it sounds crazy but hear me out: You're in your vehicle and you control where you go, where you stop etc. Plus the HUGE advantage of knowing that once she gets in you are NOT dealing with LEO. As opposed to answering a BP ad, good luck with that! Ever hear of Russian Roulette? LEO is constantly trolling, placing fake ads etc., when you arrive at the outcall location as soon as $ comes out the door breaks in and you're on your belly. CL? Too much work and spam to fish through for my tastes and you have the same issue with not being on your own turf.

In summation, if you understand how LEO operates to pinch mongers then you are already one step ahead, never proposition through the window, and if you have a secure location then the streets are the safest and most economical place to monger, I also relish the 'hunt' and those UTR / civi gems!

KC.

[BLUE]I didn't move these posts because anybody was fighting, its probably a good conversation to have but it's not about pussy so please have it here.

Besides, if somebody says something stupid you can call them an asswipe on this thread.

Thanks,

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[QUOTE=KittenCharmer;1985888]To illustrate my point that only idiots get pinched. Next time you read the police log and see the prostitution stings, what do all the mongers who get busted have in common? They ALL propositioned an undercover decoy. If she doesn't get in right away she could be nervous very likely she is a decoy. I had this happen to me over the summer, this cute Hispanic chick around late 20's comes to my passenger door and instead of getting in she tells me to roll the window down, I do, she's like "What's up, what you looking for"? Without flinching I say "sorry, you look like a friend of mine" and drive off.

As soon as she gets in, proposition away! This is why I find the streets the SAFEST place to monger! I know, it sounds crazy but hear me out: You're in your vehicle and you control where you go, where you stop etc. Plus the HUGE advantage of knowing that once she gets in you are NOT dealing with LEO. As opposed to answering a BP ad, good luck with that! Ever hear of Russian Roulette? LEO is constantly trolling, placing fake ads etc., when you arrive at the outcall location as soon as $ comes out the door breaks in and you're on your belly. CL? Too much work and spam to fish through for my tastes and you have the same issue with not being on your own turf.

In summation, if you understand how LEO operates to pinch mongers then you are already one step ahead, never proposition through the window, and if you have a secure location then the streets are the safest and most economical place to monger, I also relish the 'hunt' and those UTR / civi gems!

KC.[/QUOTE]BP is only Russian roulette if you don't do diligence. Googling numbers, looking for reviews on trusted sites, etc. The same goes for the streets but with BP you have a better chance about finding out about the lady.

[QUOTE=KittenCharmer;1985888]To illustrate my point that only idiots get pinched. Next time you read the police log and see the prostitution stings, what do all the mongers who get busted have in common? They ALL propositioned an undercover decoy. If she doesn't get in right away she could be nervous very likely she is a decoy. I had this happen to me over the summer, this cute Hispanic chick around late 20's comes to my passenger door and instead of getting in she tells me to roll the window down, I do, she's like "What's up, what you looking for"? Without flinching I say "sorry, you look like a friend of mine" and drive off.

As soon as she gets in, proposition away! This is why I find the streets the SAFEST place to monger! I know, it sounds crazy but hear me out: You're in your vehicle and you control where you go, where you stop etc. Plus the HUGE advantage of knowing that once she gets in you are NOT dealing with LEO. As opposed to answering a BP ad, good luck with that! Ever hear of Russian Roulette? LEO is constantly trolling, placing fake ads etc., when you arrive at the outcall location as soon as $ comes out the door breaks in and you're on your belly. CL? Too much work and spam to fish through for my tastes and you have the same issue with not being on your own turf.

In summation, if you understand how LEO operates to pinch mongers then you are already one step ahead, never proposition through the window, and if you have a secure location then the streets are the safest and most economical place to monger, I also relish the 'hunt' and those UTR / civi gems!

KC.[/QUOTE]I'll add my two cents since it just happened the other day. I was scooping and the SW opened my door and asked if I wanted a date. She could have just closed the door without getting in, and she was clear about it being a date, not a ride or some other excuse. Because of that I said an overt "No." and left. There was some sort of undercover operation going on that day and I was blantently cruising after the operation had ended seeing who was out for talent. I'm sure I was being obvious, and with all those factors didn't want to take the chance.

Unreal, a lot of BAD advice and incorrect assumptions here.

I'm not trying to start any kind of war here at all BUT so much of what the "prodigious newbie" rant was just flat out WRONG that I'd feel bad if others took what was stated as being gospel when it's NOT.

First of all, out on the streets your "rights" mean jackshit and the officer can be 100% in the wrong and you can be 100% correct BUT he can still stop you at any time he wants to, he can search you and your vehicle, he can detain you and yes you may be able to get all the charges dropped later on BUT this will not only take time but it will cost money (bail, lawyer, missed work etc) AND since the charges are public record they will NOT go away and if they choose to do so they can even embarrass you by putting you on the news or in the paper as well. Not to mention that LEO can detain you for 24 hrs for no reason at all and it's completely LEGAL.

Secondly, an undercover LEO will not get in your car at all EVER but they have been known to have OTHER UNDERCOVERS pick up and drop off etc to make her look legit and then you fall for the legit looking bait. They can also "roll over" a known SW by having her being a cooperating CI etc and she can get in your car, go thru with the act AND THEN testify against you as well.

As for your assertion that it's NOT illegal to drive around? All they have to say is that they saw you loitering in a known area for drugs / SW's etc and it's LEGAL to pop you.

You claim that you have to be an idiot to get pinched?? BULLSHIT, I never have (knock on wood) but I also know numerous guys who have been and THEY'RE not idiots at all.

You claim you can hit the stroll all day long with impugnity? More utter BS and you also claim it's better looking SW's during the day? Well it CAN be but for the most part not that's not ironclad either. Some of my hottest scoops ever were in that 2 or 3 am PRIMETIME (especially after the hotties leave the club at closing time).

Lastly, some friendly advice, don't come in here and talk down to any other monger just because they don't monger the way that YOU think they should. Guys do what they want to and are comfortable with. Spend your time and money the way you want and keep the snide comments / bad advice to yourself. And yes, I have decades and THOUSANDS of scoops under my ass and at all times of day / night and all across the country too.

I can't seem to 'respond with quote' so I just cut and pasted and will now eviscerate this post, point by point.

1. "prodigious newbie"...

Now WHO is assuming? Because the KC doesn't have as many 'posts' I'm a newbie? LOL Silly. Simple false 'pride' by HaH; why? More 'posts'!

2. "he can detain you"...

NO WAY! Unless you are an IDIOT and do something illegal.

3. "you may be able to get all the charges dropped later on BUT this will not only take time but it will cost money (bail, lawyer, missed work etc) AND since the charges are public record they will NOT go away and if they choose to do so they can even embarrass you by putting you on the news or in the paper as well. Not to mention that LEO can detain you for 24 hrs for no reason at all and it's completely LEGAL."...

This is so wrong I don't know where to begin! Charges? What are they going to charge you with? Driving around? Ignorance? Bail? For what charge? Asking someone if they need a ride? LOL Public record? Sure if you're convicted or plead out (maybe you're dumb enough to be pinched but not the KC!) They can detain me for 24 hrs? LOLOLOLOL OMG! This is not Gauntanamo! They need a reason to hold you, they need a reason! Maybe YOU can't afford a lawyer? But the KC has never needed one, maybe you have? But, if I was HYPOTHETICALLY held for "24 hrs for no reason", I'd simply ask what am I being charged with? He actually said "held FOR NO REASON!" LOL.

4. "Secondly, an undercover LEO will not get in your car at all EVER but they have been known to have OTHER UNDERCOVERS pick up and drop off etc to make her look legit and then you fall for the legit looking bait. They can also "roll over" a known SW by having her being a cooperating CI etc and she can get in your car, go thru with the act AND THEN testify against you as well."...

This is unintelligently written and I can't be sure what is being said, if you read my post I state NEVER prop through the window. That should cover you. Yea right, mongers are such high-value targets that the cops employ secondary 'undercovers' and can turn a SW and convince her to testify against you!? LOL I guess in theory they could, but cmon how credible is a SW? And how much do they really care about busting a run-o-the-mill monger? Sure, they will waste $ the state doesn't have to prosecute the HUMBLE KC for a MISDEMEANOR! LOL OMG!

5. "As for your assertion that it's NOT illegal to drive around? All they have to say is that they saw you loitering in a known area for drugs / SW's etc and it's LEGAL to pop you."...

LOLOLO yea right, good luck with that! As I said don't drive around at 3 am so you stick out like a soar thumb, sure they may 'bust your balls' but they know they have nothing and are just 'fishing' like I said, soooo what is the charge when they 'arrest' me? Driving around? Loitering? Show me a statute that states I can't drive my car on any road at any time I want!? The the will be 'thrilled' with that arrest! If I was ever arrested for that (NEVER HAPPEN) I'd simply LAUGH in the cops face! AND my name would NOT be in the paper! INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IDIOT! The mongers / prostitutes names who appear in the paper either are convicted or plead out!

6. "Lastly, some friendly advice, don't come in here and talk down to any other monger just because they don't monger the way that YOU think they should. Guys do what they want to and are comfortable with. Spend your time and money the way you want and keep the snide comments / bad advice to yourself. And yes, I have decades and THOUSANDS of scoops under my ass and at all times of day / night and all across the country too."...

LOL 'Friendly' LOL I was giving advice, if you don't like the advice you could have ignored it! But you feel the NEED to be the ALPHA MONGER! This 'guy' calling me out for "snide" comments!? LOL You come across as someone who's ENTIRE life is mongering (fine with me, to each their own) but you are the MOST arrogant, belligerent, POS monger that wants others to genuflect before you. I don't need your 'great' reviews or recommendations at all! And if you ever saw me in person you'd shit you're pants and BEG me to stop whooping your ass. In my 20 years I've helped girls get away from abusive pimps, beaten pimps to a pulp, taken girls in and given then an option to get off the streets. I've been burned, but very rarely.

I peg you at 65, unable to score a chick at a bar, probably grossly overweight, probably on some sort of disability and an overall angry, degenerate loser.

Your dear friend.

THE KC.

[QUOTE=LivnLifeVIP;1986140]I'll add my two cents since it just happened the other day. I was scooping and the SW opened my door and asked if I wanted a date. She could have just closed the door without getting in, and she was clear about it being a date, not a ride or some other excuse. Because of that I said an overt "No." and left. There was some sort of undercover operation going on that day and I was blantently cruising after the operation had ended seeing who was out for talent. I'm sure I was being obvious, and with all those factors didn't want to take the chance.[/QUOTE]VIP...nice play. They either get in without hesitation or I say " sorry, thought you were someone else".

[QUOTE=Tp1701;1986127]BP is only Russian roulette if you don't do diligence. Googling numbers, looking for reviews on trusted sites, etc. The same goes for the streets but with BP you have a better chance about finding out about the lady.[/QUOTE]TP,

I agree, I've had BP girls but only the ones vetted here, or ones that are willing to meet at a neutral location (most not willing and the $ is way higher than my regs) I was talking about the numerous posts that are random and new on a daily / weekly basis. You show up to a random location as opposed to seeing a SW, swooping by a couple times, making sure LEO is not around, I feel you have more control, you can abort at any time if it feels wrong. Showing up at a hotel with a BP 'pix' that may or may not be the real target? Risky. AGAIN. Not talking about the true pros like Amber, Mariya, Angel, Jackie, (KINKY KAYLA! Not around any more? Or is she? The KC knows!) etc. But they have sooo many regs that they barely post anymore. Sure, I know them but someone new to the hobby could just as well fall for a fake and be in a lot of trouble (law, pimps, scams etc).

Yet another completely fucking stupid dickwad going on IGNORE. Anyone that knows anything knows that here in RI the police can detain you at ANYTIME with or without reason for up to 24 hrs. Look it up dumbass. Not going to waste any more of my time trying to straighten out the douchebag's INCORRECT info. I wasn't the one posting wrong info OR talking down to guys that thinks pays too much for action. FUCK YOU, sianora.

BTW, YES you're a newbie. Figure it out, we know nothing about you at all (besides you're a dumbass talking shit with no credibility behind you).

[QUOTE=KittenCharmer;1986632]1. "prodigious newbie"...

Now WHO is assuming? Because the KC doesn't have as many 'posts' I'm a newbie? LOL Silly. Simple false 'pride' by HaH; why? More 'posts'!

NO WAY! Unless you are an IDIOT and do something illegal.

This is so wrong I don't know where to begin! Charges? What are they going to charge you with? Driving around? Ignorance? Bail? For what charge? Asking someone if they need a ride? LOL Public record? Sure if you're convicted or plead out (maybe you're dumb enough to be pinched but not the KC!) They can detain me for 24 hrs? LOLOLOLOL OMG! This is not Gauntanamo! They need a reason to hold you, they need a reason! Maybe YOU can't afford a lawyer? But the KC has never needed one, maybe you have? But, if I was HYPOTHETICALLY held for "24 hrs for no reason", I'd simply ask what am I being charged with? He actually said "held FOR NO REASON!" LOL.

This is unintelligently written and I can't be sure what is being said, if you read my post I state NEVER prop through the window. That should cover you. Yea right, mongers are such high-value targets that the cops employ secondary 'undercovers' and can turn a SW and convince her to testify against you!? LOL I guess in theory they could, but cmon how credible is a SW? And how much do they really care about busting a run-o-the-mill monger? Sure, they will waste $ the state doesn't have to prosecute the HUMBLE KC for a MISDEMEANOR! LOL OMG!

LOLOLO yea right, good luck with that! As I said don't drive around at 3 am so you stick out like a soar thumb, sure they may 'bust your balls' but they know they have nothing and are just 'fishing' like I said, soooo what is the charge when they 'arrest' me? Driving around? Loitering? Show me a statute that states I can't drive my car on any road at any time I want!? The the will be 'thrilled' with that arrest! If I was ever arrested for that (NEVER HAPPEN) I'd simply LAUGH in the cops face! AND my name would NOT be in the paper! INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IDIOT! The mongers / prostitutes names who appear in the paper either are convicted or plead out!

LOL 'Friendly' LOL I was giving advice, if you don't like the advice you could have ignored it! But you feel the NEED to be the ALPHA MONGER! This 'guy' calling me out for "snide" comments!? LOL You come across as someone who's ENTIRE life is mongering (fine with me, to each their own) but you are the MOST arrogant, belligerent, POS monger that wants others to genuflect before you. I don't need your 'great' reviews or recommendations at all! And if you ever saw me in person you'd shit you're pants and BEG me to stop whooping your ass. In my 20 years I've helped girls get away from abusive pimps, beaten pimps to a pulp, taken girls in and given then an option to get off the streets. I've been burned, but very rarely.

I peg you at 65, unable to score a chick at a bar, probably grossly overweight, probably on some sort of disability and an overall angry, degenerate loser.

Your dear friend.

THE KC.[/QUOTE]

Here are the rules. [URL]http://www.riaclu.org/know-your-rights/pamphlets/your-rights-and-the-police[/URL] Of course in real life the rules could get you a vicious hospital beating by cops who are above the law. But these are the facts and if you are polite but firm you will probably drive away with just a good amount of general harassment and one or two hundred in trumped up traffic fines. Of course beating the fines in traffic court would cost several thousand in legal fees so like everybody you are going to do one of two things.

1. Just pay the fines.

2. Go to court plead your case and then pay the fines plus court costs.

Of course you could appeal to district court but parting with the hundred or two hundred bucks is so much easier.

[QUOTE=HornyAsHell;1987047]Yet another completely fucking stupid dickwad going on IGNORE. Anyone that knows anything knows that here in RI the police can detain you at ANYTIME with or without reason for up to 24 hrs. Look it up dumbass. Not going to waste any more of my time trying to straighten out the douchebag's INCORRECT info. I wasn't the one posting wrong info OR talking down to guys that thinks pays too much for action. FUCK YOU, sianora.

BTW, YES you're a newbie. Figure it out, we know nothing about you at all (besides you're a dumbass talking shit with no credibility behind you).[/QUOTE]

I get it. I was speaking pragmatically, the cops have done what my adversaries have stated; it doesn't make it legal. In fact it's very rare, just read the police logs, every person pinched for pandering / mongering / propping-a-ho etc. Was pinched by a decoy. My advice was valuable, but hah needed to be Alpha Monger, the thread was in the SW section. Until you flapped your dentures. That post was more valuable in that section, hah, I've read your posts, I don't dispute your mongering, but you tend to underestimate new members of this board, which is a huge character flaw. The KC tends to overestimate, therefore is always several steps ahead.

[QUOTE=HornyAsHell;1987047]Yet another completely fucking stupid dickwad going on IGNORE. Anyone that knows anything knows that here in RI the police can detain you at ANYTIME with or without reason for up to 24 hrs. Look it up dumbass. Not going to waste any more of my time trying to straighten out the douchebag's INCORRECT info. I wasn't the one posting wrong info OR talking down to guys that thinks pays too much for action. FUCK YOU, sianora.

BTW, YES you're a newbie. Figure it out, we know nothing about you at all (besides you're a dumbass talking shit with no credibility behind you).[/QUOTE]Let's do a quick breakdown here Little Supermonger (that's you Horny As Hell just so your sure). There was some good back and forth exchange of facts and opinions about getting pulled over while playing with SW's and the exchange was all pretty civil. Not everyone agreed BUT they all disagreed in a fairly civil manner. That was until LITTLE SUPERMONGER, DICKWAD, DUMBASS, DOUCHEBAG, DUMBASS, chimed in. Now I'm not saying you, LITTLE SUPERMONGER, DICKWAD, DUMBASS, DOUCHEBAG, DUMBASS didn't or shouldn't have an opinion on the subject, you do, you should, and your prowess as "streetwalker supermonger" is well documented, by well, none other than you!

The pictures have been posted by you to prove your prowess as "streetwalker supermonger". So please understand HAH it's not opinion on the subject that's in the spotlight here but rather the way you deliver the message. I'll suggest a good book you may want to read, it will help you with self development. I can't remember the author but the name of the book is " It's not what you say but how you say it". One more thing I need to check in with you about. How do you know this guy has no credibility? For all you know he could have a law degree, he could be an attorney shit he could be a judge but I'm fairly sure he isn't a " DICKWAD, DUMBASS, DOUCHEBAG, DUMBASS" . Just because he doesn't have the "senior" next to his name and isn't a supermonger such as yourself dosen't mean he has no credibility!

Keep in mind that an arrest is like being indicted, everybody knows about it and nobody cares of the outcome, so, even if you get it dismissed, "they" always know what you got busted for. So all this "I know my rights " stuff may be real and true, but the stigma of being busted is very real. Plus if you have a job that requires bonding or a security clearance, you could lose it and then your job.

I don't want to add to the fire here, but often guys forget this stuff is illegal because so many guys swap stories and adventures that it all SEEMS so easy, available and fun. You need to consider the risk (s) and how it can affect your real life.

Peace.

Follow the Rules of Mongering, use your street smarts, don't be too obvious and act like you belong in the area where you a cruising.

Dick.

[QUOTE=DickPischardo;1987775]Follow the Rules of Mongering, use your street smarts, don't be too obvious and act like you belong in the area where you a cruising.[/QUOTE]And if, after following all the rules, LEO does stop and hassle you remember to dig out your cell phone and get the whole thing on video. A federal court in Boston a few years back ruled the police can't stop you videoing them for your own protection and it may well prove to be the best protection against police misconduct you have.

[QUOTE=NYMonger;1987761]Keep in mind that an arrest is like being indicted, everybody knows about it and nobody cares of the outcome, so, even if you get it dismissed, "they" always know what you got busted for. So all this "I know my rights " stuff may be real and true, but the stigma of being busted is very real. Plus if you have a job that requires bonding or a security clearance, you could lose it and then your job.

I don't want to add to the fire here, but often guys forget this stuff is illegal because so many guys swap stories and adventures that it all SEEMS so easy, available and fun. You need to consider the risk (s) and how it can affect your real life.

Peace.[/QUOTE]I understand this, but again practicality: they aren't going to charge you (I understand they do this as an intimidation tactic to deter mongering / street-walking) unless they will also be able to land the conviction I.e. You have to proposition a police decoy (which is always a female officer), they will under no circumstance enter your car, this was my big point. I then went on to explain how you should act if LEO in fact does overstep their bounds of legality and was accosted by Mr. Hornmaster. Mr. Hornblower can not tolerate the fact that just maybe there are others that can monger just as well as Mr. Hornsucker, the thought that someone could monger as well as Mr. Hornlicker if they do not have the required number of posts on this forum? As if mongering was invented the day Mr. Hornfucked posted for the first time to self-document his legendary mongering conquests!

I don't know whether or not either of you realize that HAH has put you both on IGNORE, but he said he did, so when you address him he doesn't see what you have to say. Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying all this banter (maybe that's too light of a word) but you get the idea.

[QUOTE=SmokeScreen;1988065]I don't know whether or not either of you realize that HAH has put you both on IGNORE, but he said he did, so when you address him he doesn't see what you have to say. Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying all this banter (maybe that's too light of a word) but you get the idea.[/QUOTE]However, I believe if someone replies and quotes a previous quote it will still be visible to all regardless of whether they are on an ignore list.

[QUOTE=Yardape08;1988157]However, I believe if someone replies and quotes a previous quote it will still be visible to all regardless of whether they are on an ignore list.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's true. I have one ass hole on my list and every once in a while I see when he gets quoted.

I would really not advise anyone to "ASSUME" that you necessarily know who she is, dude! There are at least 10 girls I know in southern New England who were out for 1 or 2 years, white spinners, and now currently back on back page! And when I meant "on this board", I was referring to USASG in general--but not necessarily the Providence forums! But this one is now indeed posting recently on Providence back page.

But this is EXACTLY one of the main reasons I will not post names of BBFS girls. Except for some very rare exceptions, where their services are already very well known and are girls that have previously indicated that they WANTED the info out there!

The only other exceptions to that are girls like Jocelyn / Jesse / Johanna who I've outed because of their CRIMINAL, activities--that is to say, the ones who are outright thieves and have hooked up with some very dangerous male "managers". Like Johanna!

[QUOTE=Dupplehouse;1987108]There's really only one lady this could be which is a bit of a disappointment because though a little tough to get a hold of she had been on my TDL. Now she's not. On the bright side, heading up to Toronto in a couple weeks. I'll be like a kid in a candy store.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DoctorLove;1988974]I would really not advise anyone to "ASSUME" that you necessarily know who she is, dude! There are at least 10 girls I know in southern New England who were out for 1 or 2 years, white spinners, and now currently back on back page! And when I meant "on this board", I was referring to USASG in general--but not necessarily the Providence forums! But this one is now indeed posting recently on Providence back page.

But this is EXACTLY one of the main reasons I will not post names of BBFS girls. Except for some very rare exceptions, where their services are already very well known and are girls that have previously indicated that they WANTED the info out there!

The only other exceptions to that are girls like Jocelyn / Jesse / Johanna who I've outed because of their CRIMINAL, activities--that is to say, the ones who are outright thieves and have hooked up with some very dangerous male "managers". Like Johanna![/QUOTE]Not posting names, but rather posting what seems to be easily identifiable details sure seems like it's done so that you can pique curiosity, draw attention and possibly get new information for yourself. Apologies, I had no idea that it was instead for something much more noble.

On the other hand, EXACTLY the reason I didn't post any name was to not contribute anymore to the speculation, but merely to point out that given the voluminous amount of details you provided in this instance (height, body type, numeric ratings from another board, time out of service, etc) it didn't seem like much of a mystery to me. And with that I will not be contacting the particular provider that I believe it to be because I am not interested in that type of service.

To each their own.

Have a nice day.

[QUOTE=Dupplehouse;1990506]Not posting names, but rather posting what seems to be easily identifiable details sure seems like it's done so that you can pique curiosity, draw attention and possibly get new information for yourself. Apologies, I had no idea that it was instead for something much more noble.

On the other hand, EXACTLY the reason I didn't post any name was to not contribute anymore to the speculation, but merely to point out that given the voluminous amount of details you provided in this instance (height, body type, numeric ratings from another board, time out of service, etc) it didn't seem like much of a mystery to me. And with that I will not be contacting the particular provider that I believe it to be because I am not interested in that type of service.

To each their own.

Have a nice day.[/QUOTE]All I can say is that if you think that any BP you have been with is not doing BBFS, you are delusional. In my estimation, at least 50% of BP will readily do it, and at least 90% of SW's. And BBBJ is every bit as risky, so it is hypocritical to be getting BBBJ and thinking you are safer than BBFS, and that you are OK bashing others getting it.

If you are truly this worried, then you have to make the assumption that every girl out there does BBFS, because under the right circumstance, they all do, no matter what they are telling you. And do what you think is best for yourself under that circumstance.

Shanell does indeed offer BBFS, texted her seeing if she still offers that big Ass at cost, on a whim I decided to find out if the BBFS rumors were true...she said yes but it costs extra.

Ended that call soon after.

[URL]http://providence.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/drop-dead-gorgeous-n-o-comparison-s-k-i-l-l-e-d-to-perfection-introducing-tiffany-williams-21/3946905[/URL]

Has anyone seen tiffany Williams? Her pix look good and it seems she's working with Angela;, who's a quality provider; rates are fair at $/ hh but I'm still tepid about seeing a new girl. Anyone kno if she's good?

[QUOTE=BusterHymen;1991290]All I can say is that if you think that any BP you have been with is not doing BBFS, you are delusional. In my estimation, at least 50% of BP will readily do it, and at least 90% of SW's. And BBBJ is every bit as risky, so it is hypocritical to be getting BBBJ and thinking you are safer than BBFS, and that you are OK bashing others getting it.

If you are truly this worried, then you have to make the assumption that every girl out there does BBFS, because under the right circumstance, they all do, no matter what they are telling you. And do what you think is best for yourself under that circumstance.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure where I bash anyone for getting BBFS. I only point out that I'm not interested. I do think you are ill informed about the varying degrees of risk associated to the various acronyms, but everyone must make their own decisions and as I said before, to each their own.

This started with the continuation an ongoing and somewhat silly game of "who am I?" from a previous post. I still believe I have a solid guess as to the answer and based on that will be refraining. To each their own fellas.

Have a nice weekend.

-Dupplwhouse.

Is BBBJ really as risky as BBFS? I remember seeing a link to a chart somewhere (maybe on the now defunct site) but now can't find it that listed different STDs and whether you could get it from oral or vaginal intercourse, and how likely (not actual percentages, but using words like "somewhat" or "rarely," etc). I thought BBBJ seemed fairly innocuous.