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[QUOTE=Davey1965]I've believe I've seen Melanie out and about a few times from your description and the pics with her long curly hair.[/QUOTE]Here is a pic of the exact color and kind of hat she was wearing, cocked to one side, just like she wears it. This is NOT a pic of Melanie, just an example of her hat. Steffani also wears a hat like this but it is light tan, and she wears the peak straight forward.
It looks like Deb just might have braces on.
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Dude I am dying to know, who is this?
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Misfit
[QUOTE=CookyJar][b] So why did you do it?[/b] It’s wasn’t helpful. It wasn’t necessary. CookyJar[/QUOTE]
From the beginning, I’ve had just one question. Why?
[QUOTE=CookyJar]
It kind of makes you wonder, “Why?”
Why? Supereloquent! Why? You had to know someone would notice that the pictures were fakes? Why all the posts? You didn’t need to post pictures. You were doing fine without them.
CookyJar[/QUOTE]
Deb 075a and Deb 072a shown under the title of, ”Deb was adorable,” are actually pictures of Nikki. Please note the jewelry and fingernail polish.
[QUOTE=Supereloquent]Deb is 32, and a cute little package (5 feet, about 100 pounds), but with big tatas. [/QUOTE]
Unless she shrunk, Debra is [post=700863]5’5” maybe 5’6.”[/post] 100 pounds? No way. She is at least a buck 30 (or heavier) if she is a pound. You must be mixing Nikki up with Debbie again.
All of the pictures, even the anonymous girl, seem to be pictures of Debbie or the same girl. You did say, “[QUOTE=Supereloquent] Deb does a great DT [b]CBJ[/b] and you don't even feel that you have a raincoat.[/QUOTE].” All of the action pictures posted to be Deb, except for Deb 009a, show unprotected sex.
I know all of this can be explained and maybe I am being a little over critical.
Hey! Look! I am no trying to start something or to keep things going. I just wanted to point out that after last week you should be careful if you want to be creditable. Perhaps the reason why is that you are in a hurry to get the information out to your friends. Why?
CookyJar
PS: One more thing. Debra hasn't been 32 for awhile.
[QUOTE=CookyJar]From the beginning, I’ve had just one question. Why?[/QUOTE]I thought I explained that. Either you believe me or you don't. But my brother's fake posts were so out of pattern compared to my previous info, right down to different cities? I would have thought that any observant member and reader of my posts would see that something was amiss.
[QUOTE=CookyJar]Deb 075a and Deb 072a shown under the title of, ”Deb was adorable,” are actually pictures of Nikki. Please note the jewelry and fingernail polish.[/QUOTE]Leave it to a photographer's studied eye to see the details correctly. When you are right you are right. Those 2 pics were of Nikki. I rechecked the order and those were clearly taken before I took Deb's pics. I was truly not trying to hurry nor be deceitful, but my dyslexia, unfortunately, extends to more than words; it can be worse with numbers and pictures. So thank you for catching the mislabeling. It won't be the first or last time my mind reverses things, but I apologize nonetheless.
[QUOTE=CookyJar]Unless she shrunk, Debra is [post=700863]5’5” maybe 5’6.”[/post] 100 pounds? No way. She is at least a buck 30 (or heavier) if she is a pound. You must be mixing Nikki up with Debbie again.
All of the pictures, even the anonymous girl, seem to be pictures of Debbie or the same girl. You did say, “.” All of the action pictures posted to be Deb, except for Deb 009a, show unprotected sex.
I know all of this can be explained and maybe I am being a little over critical.
PS: One more thing. Debra hasn't been 32 for awhile.[/QUOTE]You keep mentioning "Debra." This gal consistently referred to herself as "Deb." I know there is a Debra out there and perhaps you have Deb confused with her. I asked Deb directly how old she was and how tall. She said 32 and 5 feet. I can't see any reason for her to lie (well, maybe about age, who is to really know?) and my gauge of her height was certainly about what she told me. She does have a 16 year old girl and that would mean she got pregnant at 15, not unheard of, but I will give you that maybe she was shaving a few years off her answer to me. But she certainly seemed about 100 pounds (my guess, 110 at max) and I was a collegiate wrestler and hope I would know the difference between 100 and 130 when I have a gal hoisted by her ankles. Her pics speak for themselves; she is short and rather petite, despite somewhat larger than expected tits for her size.
As to the action shots, she was kissing my cock for a while ( and had a condom in her mouth to roll over it), which were some of the better shots, considering that it was rather uninteresting to see her mouth buried on it to the hilt, where you could see very little of her face or anything else and when I was less inclined to be taking a pic.
And YES, you ARE being a "little" over critical. This could have been much better handled in a PM before blasting it out there
[QUOTE=CookyJar] All of the pictures, even the anonymous girl, seem to be pictures of Debbie or the same girl.[/QUOTE]You correctly pointed out that I mis-posted 2 pics under Deb that were Nikki, and now you say "all" of the pictures, even the anonymous "girl," seem to be pictures of Debbie or the same girl? Firstly, would you please make up your mind what you are complaining about, and secondly, NONE of the anonymous pics are Deb, and they are NOT all the same girl, and it should be readily obvious that not "all" of my pictures are of Deb or the same girl.
If you thought I was in a hurry posting (I wasn't, and I explained about the 2 pics that were mis-posted), you were in a much bigger hurry trying to create a mountain out of a molehill with extremely confusing and totally out to lunch accusations.
Next time please PM me if you have something this petty to air. You had one legitimate observation, and you turned it into a diatribe on nothing.
[QUOTE=Forth Ryte]T "Entrapment" is still a defense to a crime. It occurs when a police officer "induces or encourages another person to engage in conduct employing methods of persuasion or inducement which create a substantial risk that such an offense will be committed by persons other than those who are ready to commit it."
-- Forth Ryte[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply, Forth Ryte. It was very thorough and I reproduced only part of it here to save space.
I did a little research on Supreme Court entrapment cases. The last one was in 1992, which overturned the conviction of a man who received child pornography in the mail. The general concept of entrapment is whether a law enforcement agent was inducing a person to commit a crime which he otherwise would be unlikely to commit. This particular ruling focused solely on whether the prosecution had established that the defendant had a "predisposition" for committing the crime. Since the man in question had no other such material in his home, save what he purchased from the postal inspectors, the question was whether the idea was implanted in his mind and/or whether it was established that he wished to continue the purchases. So it would seem that behavior patterns are relevant before and after the commission of a "crime" induced by law enforcement to clarify whether indeed there was entrapment. In other words, it would be much more difficult to raise an entrapment defense after a previous arrest and/or conviction for the solicitation of prostitution (or if it can be proven that there was a desire to do it again) because "predisposition" has been established. Or, to put it another way, if you get your hand caught in the cookie jar, swear off cookies for life if you expect a future entrapment defense to work.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S SUGGESTION[/u]:[/b] [blue]This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it in the [u]Police Tactics and Legal Issues [/u] thread in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size]
Hi,
It's none of my business I know but I always read about senior member this and senior member that and with all due respect I am sure some senior members have been through the trenches in life and that would make them wise when it comes to judging the up and comers but a senior member could also be an 18 year old boy and naive. The way I see it a senior has to be judged on their track record of compassion and how they co mingle and get along with their peers and they should embrace the up and comers and steer them in a positive direction and look out for them. No one responds positively to being degraded and ridiculed in public. You gots to learn them young whipper snappers in a positive way so they will hopefully do the same when they see someone that was like them when they were coming up. So put the pitch forks down.
Thanks for your time, you can start throwing the stones, NOW.
[QUOTE=CookyJar]Darn Dyslexia! But don't worry; my doctor says I am getting better. She even agrees that my contributions on this site help. I wonder what she is going to say after she reads my latest stuff.
Thanks ustlooking, good looking out.
CookyJar[/QUOTE]
Something we have in common. I first disclosed my problems with dyslexia, to the forum, back in 05.
[QUOTE=Supereloquent]And YES, you ARE being a "little" over critical. This could have been much better handled in a PM before blasting it out there[/QUOTE]
This is the third time you’ve had to apologize for a mistake. Once when you yelled out a proper name in a crowded forum, again when fake pictures were posted willy nilly all over the internet and now with the mislabeling and misrepresentation of pictures.
I try to keep the tone of my post friendly. I offered suggestions. I first suggested that you be a little more careful. I suggested that you might be hurrying you post. Had you even considered my first suggestion, perhaps the second would not have been necessary. For all of you 208 posts, you are still a regular member. You are a newbie, whether you want to believe it or not. I have no idea about your time on the streets; you could be a long time monger. I do know that rushed actions on the streets may result in something bad happening. I also believe that information passed in this forum can affect events on the streets. I offered my suggestions from an open hand and a passive heart.
My last suggestion: Do your thing.
CookyJar
PS: Did you follow the link to my pictures of Debra, Debbie or Deb? There is also another set taken with a much bigger girl. I have been with Deb on three different occasions. Your description fits Nikki, not Deb. (Kikki is neither tall nor leggie.) Take another look at my pictures, some people might conclude that Debbie is leggie.
[QUOTE=CookyJar]PS: Did you follow the link to my pictures of Debra, Debbie or Deb? There is also another set taken with a much bigger girl. I have been with Deb on three different occasions. Your description fits Nikki, not Deb. (Kikki is neither tall nor leggie.) Take another look at my pictures, some people might conclude that Debbie is leggie.[/QUOTE]I did take a look at your past pictures of "Deb" with other girls and they would appear to be of the same "Deb" I dated and posted pics. Apparently she has gone by the names "Debbie" and "Debra" in the past. You have a contention with me over her height, weight and age. Are you contending that I didn't date her, that I am a poor judge of height and weight, or that I am gullible in believing an age, height and weight when told these facts? I posted pics, so I would hope the question of whether I dated her is not at issue. Could I have slightly misjudged her height and weight? I don't discount that possibility, but not by 6 inches and 30 pounds as you suggested. Nikki was 5 feet 8 and Deb was nowhere even near that tall. Five feet 6 as you said? Not unless I was woozy from having had 4 dates in a row (A possibility not to be totally dismissed).She said she was 5 feet tall and she seemed about that tall. Why would a gal understate her height? Age I can understand a woman understating. Deb is not a "young looking" 32 as she said she was, and she has a 16 year old daughter so, could she be older? Yes. Of course she could. Regarding weight: Deb looked a little heavier in your pics than in mine so maybe she shed a few pounds. Could I be a little off on the weight? Sure I could. But I still don't think she was much more than 110 at the most. Could I be a little off on this? Absolutely. You have several pics of her by me to judge this. She is just very slightly pudgy around the belly but otherwise quite slim. Could she be heavier than I said? It's always possible. I never claimed to be the guy who guesses age and weight for money at the carnival. But why you are making such a mountain out of this molehill is anybody's guess.
[QUOTE=CookyJar]Something we have in common. I first disclosed my problems with dyslexia, to the forum, back in 05.
This is the third time you’ve had to apologize for a mistake. Once when you yelled out a proper name in a crowded forum, again when fake pictures were posted willy nilly all over the internet and now with the mislabeling and misrepresentation of pictures.
I try to keep the tone of my post friendly. I offered suggestions. I first suggested that you be a little more careful. I suggested that you might be hurrying you post. Had you even considered my first suggestion, perhaps the second would not have been necessary. For all of you 208 posts, you are still a regular member. You are a newbie, whether you want to believe it or not. I have no idea about your time on the streets; you could be a long time monger. I do know that rushed actions on the streets may result in something bad happening. I also believe that information passed in this forum can affect events on the streets. I offered my suggestions from an open hand and a passive heart.[/QUOTE]I take you at your word that you have no intended malice in your posts, and the key word is "intended. " But if you are being truthful in trying to keep your posts "friendly, " then why bring up pejorative (yes, this is the correct spelling, not "perjorative, " as this word is commonly misspelled) terms and labels like "yelled" (for posted? ), "willy nilly, " (for posted twice? ), "misrepresentation" (to misrepresent something means that you knew what was correct and intentionally misled; this was NOT what happened when posting the 2 pics in question) and "newbie? " (I don't know what your point was here other than to pull rank? ) You say you offer your "suggestions" from an "open hand and a passive heart, " but your language belies this. Your tone and choice of words are accusatory, inflammatory and derogatory. And why keep jumping to conclusions and making thinly veiled insinuations: that on the basis of a few errors in here that I make rushed actions on the streets that can result in something bad happening? This is an assumption and insinuation of a fact about which you have zero knowledge. You said as much, but made the insinuation anyway. I am going to address your first issue about sharing detailed information in this forum, something about which you and I have had running discussions. It comes from the Admin himself (Jackson) and it was recently posted by him in the Baltimore General Reports thread. I hope he doesn't mind my sharing it here because it sheds light on our previous discussions about sharing detailed information and would be beneficial information to others who read this thread. (As to "yelling" a name in this "crowded" forum: we give first names of SW providers all the time, many of which are their real names; what is so sacrosanct about the first name of a house provider? ; hell, even some members here incorporate their real first names in their screen names; as Jackson says in his comments: there is no place described on this website that local LE didn't already know about before it was posted, so don't be naive and think that the house in question is or was your private secret; if I could find it as an occasional monger, I am sure it would take a dedicated and knowledgeable vice LEO about a day without benefit of this forum to find anything and everything he needed to know about it, including address, activity and full name of the owner, and it was known about by LE long before I typed a word on a page)
Regarding the second issue: I wish you would just get past it. I explained it and apologized for it. You have mentioned it now numerous times and can't seem to let it alone.
Regarding the third issue: I would think someone who shares my affliction of dyslexia would understand how and why it happened. But perhaps familiarity breeds contempt.
A helpful post from Jackson that appeared recently in the Baltimore General Reports Thread:
"Hi guys,
Just to put this in perspective:
1. There is no club, massage parlor, escort service, streetwalker location or other place described on this website that the local police don't already know about, with or without this website. Don't be so naive as to think that local LE doesn't already know what's going on in their town.
2. No Forum Members have ever been detained, questioned or investigated as a result of information that they or others posted on this Forum.
3. No information in this Forum has ever been used in any prosecution. It's simply not qualified evidence.
4. The police have never contacted me or requested any information from me about any forum member, and they never will because the forum's servers are located in Montreal, Canada, safely outside the reach of the USA legal system.
Thanks,
Jackson"
[QUOTE=Supereloquent] Are you contending that I didn't date her, . I posted pics, so I would hope the question of whether I dated her is not at issue.[/QUOTE]You said it, I didn’t.
Just because you posted a few series of pictures showing a girl does not mean a thing. Maybe your brother took them. Maybe someone lost a camera and LE has gotten hold of it. Maybe they are off of a computer obtained from a entrapment case? Maybe you’re the undercover working the "entrapment case. " Hell if I know. Most of what you’ve done so far is suspect.
[QUOTE=Supereloquent] I asked Deb directly how old she was and how tall. She said 32 and 5 feet. I can't see any reason for her to lie (well, maybe about age, who is to really know? ) and my gauge of her height was certainly about what she told me. She does have a 16 year old girl and that would mean she got pregnant at 15.[/QUOTE]You do know that you could get this same information from a rap sheet?
(Most light weight criminals know to lie as much as possible during their interrogation. It helps to throw LE off when they are searching through their warrant list. A cop looking for a 5 foot, 100 pound girl is likely to pass by Deb, aka Debra, alas Debbie.)
Most of the information you've given thus far would be available to any Law Enforcement Officer. Even the pictures, if they had been obtained from a prior case.
I am not signifying that you are LE. I am just pointing out reasons for caution.
CookyJar
[QUOTE=CookyJar]Just because you posted a few series of pictures showing a girl does not mean a thing.
You do know that you could get this same information from a rap sheet?
Most light weight criminals know to lie as much as possible during their interrogation.
Most of the information you've given thus far would be available to any Law Enforcement Officer. Even the pictures, if they had been obtained from a prior case.[/QUOTE]I get the "picture," Cookyjar. There is nothing I can post that will satisfy you because apparently no amount or type of information proves anything to you: not photos, or descriptions or experiences (YMMV apparently doesn't even apply?). You can't make up your mind whether my information is too detailed or not detailed enough, or whether I am a "light weight criminal" or LE engaged in an entrapment sting. Having any sort of dialogue with you is clearly unproductive and not worth my further energy and thought. You can feel free to throw verbal rocks, attack me, correct me or abuse me all you like both now and in the future and I am not, after this point, going to dignify your posts about me with a response because I believe your motives regarding me are not objective, and are personal, venal and not in the best interests of this forum. You are the bully on the playground, so go and do your thing. Push and shove and give it your best shots. It will have the same effect on me as shooting peas at an Abrams tank.
[QUOTE=CookyJar]You said it, I didn’t.
Just because you posted a few series of pictures showing a girl does not mean a thing. Maybe your brother took them. Maybe someone lost a camera and LE has gotten hold of it. Maybe they are off of a computer obtained from a entrapment case? Maybe you’re the undercover working the "entrapment case. " Hell if I know. Most of what you’ve done so far is suspect.
You do know that you could get this same information from a rap sheet?
(Most light weight criminals know to lie as much as possible during their interrogation. It helps to throw LE off when they are searching through their warrant list. A cop looking for a 5 foot, 100 pound girl is likely to pass by Deb, aka Debra, alas Debbie.)
Most of the information you've given thus far would be available to any Law Enforcement Officer. Even the pictures, if they had been obtained from a prior case.
I am not signifying that you are LE. I am just pointing out reasons for caution.
CookyJar[/QUOTE]All I'm going to add is to reiterate my previous posts in support of Super because along with Davey 1965 his info has gotten me the most info on the Forum! If he's a cop he's a sympathetic one to our cause. Unless his MO is to give us a sense of false security by helping member's {I'm sure I'm not the only one} get play and then swoop in and arrest a large group of us there's no way in Hell Super's a cop! One of the top five contributor's to the Philly board already! A newbie maybe to our site but a real vet with the volume of his work!