That's sad, the guy probably had a brilliant career and now the whole thing is tarnished whether he was really doing research or not.
And for what? For (allegedly) trading money for sex which is legal in the U.S.
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That's sad, the guy probably had a brilliant career and now the whole thing is tarnished whether he was really doing research or not.
And for what? For (allegedly) trading money for sex which is legal in the U.S.
It is indeed a total waste. But can you name a 'Progressive' in favor of legalizing prostitution? In this country, it is liberals who have created the situation we have now, in the name of protecting women from exploitation, etc. The last frontier (our little neighbor to the south) is a great example of this happening in real-time. Everywhere else, the war is already lost. Except of the great Progressive state of Nevada (oh wait, that's right...)
[QUOTE=WebDog]It is indeed a total waste. But can you name a 'Progressive' in favor of legalizing prostitution? In this country, it is liberals who have created the situation we have now, in the name of protecting women from exploitation, etc. The last frontier (our little neighbor to the south) is a great example of this happening in real-time. Everywhere else, the war is already lost. Except of the great Progressive state of Nevada (oh wait, that's right...)[/QUOTE]
They waste there time on some gal wanting cash and turn there heads to other quality of life problems.After all they say it's a quality of life issue?What about some poor dink like me that wants to add some quality to his life.
The street gals go to the "PC" so how can they ever stop the ass for cash.
B.B...
Last time I checked, most men who frequent prostitutes do it for the thrill of doing something wrong/illegal, not for the sex. Unless you're a total dog, if sex was all you wanted, you could easily go to bar, pick up a skanky ho, take her out to a $100 dinner, buy her some $50 flowers, and have your way with her. Bonus, she'd be a lot more into it than your local hooker. Go to Amsterdam, its not the local men buying in the red light district, its the out of towners. I'll keep my sex workers illegal, thank you very much. Legalize it, and I'd probably be shoplifting or something, and that's not socially productive at all.
[QUOTE=Gravelpath]Last time I checked, most men who frequent prostitutes do it for the thrill of doing something wrong/illegal, not for the sex. Unless you're a total dog, if sex was all you wanted, you could easily go to bar, pick up a skanky ho, take her out to a $100 dinner, buy her some $50 flowers, and have your way with her. Bonus, she'd be a lot more into it than your local hooker. Go to Amsterdam, its not the local men buying in the red light district, its the out of towners. I'll keep my sex workers illegal, thank you very much. Legalize it, and I'd probably be shoplifting or something, and that's not socially productive at all.[/QUOTE]
I do it to be with a beautiful, young and sexy girl rather than my fat, old and ugly wife.
[QUOTE=Member #1705]I do it to be with a beautiful, young and sexy girl rather than my fat, old and ugly wife.[/QUOTE]LOL. By the way, rumor around these parts is that Uncle LEO is going be having an enjoyable Thanksgiving. Do the right thing.
I consider myself a little sunshine in their life.
better yet consider me the tuna can shoehorn before somebody like meatman stretches them into hotdog hallway oblivion.
[QUOTE=Gravelpath]Last time I checked, most men who frequent prostitutes do it for the thrill of doing something wrong/illegal, not for the sex. Unless you're a total dog, if sex was all you wanted, you could easily go to bar, pick up a skanky ho, take her out to a $100 dinner, buy her some $50 flowers, and have your way with her. Bonus, she'd be a lot more into it than your local hooker. Go to Amsterdam, its not the local men buying in the red light district, its the out of towners. I'll keep my sex workers illegal, thank you very much. Legalize it, and I'd probably be shoplifting or something, and that's not socially productive at all.[/QUOTE]
Irony is that my friends are taking to me a local bar around the corner from my apartment. What makes it interesting is that according to them there's this hot lookiing older chick who is notorious for hooking up with younger guys. i don't believe them but I'm willing to take one for the team... as long as it works out for me. Otherwise I just wasted some time and money... I hope my friends make me laugh the night away.
[QUOTE=Gravelpath]Last time I checked, most men who frequent prostitutes do it for the thrill of doing something wrong/illegal, not for the sex. Unless you're a total dog, if sex was all you wanted, you could easily go to bar, pick up a skanky ho, take her out to a $100 dinner, buy her some $50 flowers, and have your way with her. Bonus, she'd be a lot more into it than your local hooker. Go to Amsterdam, its not the local men buying in the red light district, its the out of towners. I'll keep my sex workers illegal, thank you very much. Legalize it, and I'd probably be shoplifting or something, and that's not socially productive at all.[/QUOTE]
Gravel, I have to respectfully disagree.
What kind of a lunatic picks up SW's [i]because[/i] of the thrill of doing something illegal, which might get him thrown in jail, taken before a judge, fined or possibly jailed, publicly humiliated, labeled a sex offender and have his life ruined?
If I wanted a bar rat, I'd find a bar rat, when I just want sex, I go get an SW.
I've been to Amsterdam, and I'll take my sex workers [i]legal[/i] thank you very much, where I can wander past the window girls and window shop, go to a legitimate brothel or call for an incall, free from any and all anxiety about prosecution.
[QUOTE=Gravelpath]Last time I checked, most men who frequent prostitutes do it for the thrill of doing something wrong/illegal, not for the sex. Unless you're a total dog, if sex was all you wanted, you could easily go to bar, pick up a skanky ho, take her out to a $100 dinner, buy her some $50 flowers, and have your way with her. Bonus, she'd be a lot more into it than your local hooker. Go to Amsterdam, its not the local men buying in the red light district, its the out of towners. I'll keep my sex workers illegal, thank you very much. Legalize it, and I'd probably be shoplifting or something, and that's not socially productive at all.[/QUOTE]
While there is some "thrill of the chase" there is obviously a reason why guys are looking for women and not shoplifting. Perhaps you would be shoplifting in Amsterdam, not getting laid, but the fact is there the street scene is virtually no existent -- less SWs there than here -- and the sex industry is extremely vibrant and thriving.
You are wrong -- it is *not* mainly tourists getting laid, except in the tourist traps. If you went and stayed in the tourist area like the Walletjes then you missed out. I totally avoid De Wallen and go to Ruysdaelkade which is mostly locals, but if you want to avoid tourists entirely then learn a little Dutch and go to the private clubs. Where street prostitution is illegal and but indoor activity is decriminalized you have a thriving industry, not guys snubbing professional women for street walkers. You should look into your own personal demons as you seem to be out of sync with "most men."
[QUOTE=WebDog]While there is some "thrill of the chase" there is obviously a reason why guys are looking for women and not shoplifting. Perhaps you would be shoplifting in Amsterdam, not getting laid, but the fact is there the street scene is virtually no existent -- less SWs there than here -- and the sex industry is extremely vibrant and thriving.
You are wrong -- it is *not* mainly tourists getting laid, except in the tourist traps. If you went and stayed in the tourist area like the Walletjes then you missed out. I totally avoid De Wallen and go to Ruysdaelkade which is mostly locals, but if you want to avoid tourists entirely then learn a little Dutch and go to the private clubs. Where street prostitution is illegal and but indoor activity is decriminalized you have a thriving industry, not guys snubbing professional women for street walkers. You should look into your own personal demons as you seem to be out of sync with "most men."[/QUOTE]Geez, dude, no need to get personal. We're all out of synch with most men here, if you want to know the truth. "Most men" don't get their jollies posting on anonymous message boards about how studly they are for picking up hookers. But apparently, we do get our jollies that way. Your demons are probably just as bad, if not worse than mine, if the number of your posts has anything to say.
[QUOTE=WebDog]You are wrong -- it is *not* mainly tourists getting laid, except in the tourist traps. If you went and stayed in the tourist area like the Walletjes then you missed out. I totally avoid De Wallen and go to Ruysdaelkade which is mostly locals, but if you want to avoid tourists entirely then learn a little Dutch and go to the private clubs.[/QUOTE]By the way, instead of beating your chest about what a local you are, you might just want to check the stats of the Dutch National Rapporteur regarding who is getting laid there. I'm not denying that there are places the locals go (probably the locals who are unable to pick up a regular girl on their own), and maybe I'm not a stud like you to have joined in. But I can read statistical tables.
NO STRINGS ATTACHED
If I could go pick up a woman, have sex and just dump her on a corner, I'd do it. But you can't. Therefore to stay married, I choose the SW route. Don't bring up secret affairs and girl friend on the side because that only works on TV
Legal prostitution is safer for all involved. Prostitution is a victimless crime.
Sure, there is a little adrenal added knowing LEO might collar you any second, the deal could wrong and someone might bash your head in and take your dough, or you might catch some nasty disease. I admit to a little excitement from not knowing what might happen. However, I would rather do without it.
We all have demons. I am not suggesting you're a sinner and I'm a saint. Most of what you have written I agree with, and I'm not trying pick a fight or 'one-up' you.
What I was responding to, however, is that it is a little odd to suggest (particularly as a generalization for "most men") that if prostitution were legalized most mongerers would join you in abandoning the hobby in favor of some yet to be decriminalized activity like shoplifting. Judging by the other responses, the consensus seems to be that you're off base on that.
As far as what happens in Amsterdam as a metaphor for your previous assertion, I've got to assume you have not spent any time there or at least not with the chance to go outside the tourist zones. I am not beating my chest, nor would I on this matter, as I have a lot less experience in the world of international sport-fucking than do many of the hobbyists on posting here.
But I will tell you from my own observations that legalizing or otherwise decriminalizing prostitution leads to a lot more mongering.There are Red Light Districts in most major Asian and European cities. And by RLDs I mean specific areas with window girls, not just in-calls or brothels. I have been to about a dozen of them (all in Mexico, Canada, Europe, and Australia; never been to continental Asia.) You can see for sure that more people engage in this hobby when legal than would be cruising the streets at home for SWs.
When I travel abroad, I quickly figure out (usually with the help of the ISG board) where to go. That is to say, I go where the locals go. Because quality is better and prices are lower. In Amsterdam, going to the Walletjes is for tourists and there are a lot better options. Indeed, Amsterdam overall is full of tourists compared to lesser-known spots with better options, such as Brussels or Hamburg.
Whether Amsterdam private clubs or FKK clubs in Germany, you have a thriving industry which really caters to locals and at best tolerates tourists. I am no local, so for me it is as much sour grapes and definitely not braggadocious chest pounding. But to be clear, in most parts of the world prostitution is tolerated in some form and the more it is liberalized the more activity you see.
I am married, somewhat successful, have a comfortable amount of money, and in my profession the opportunity to travel the world. In the RLDs of Europe, I am able to have sex with women who are extremely hot, but with the right time and money spent I could otherwise bed for "free." But I am not looking for a girlfriend -- I am looking for a blowjob or similar, I know what I am willing to spend. I am looking for instant gratification, not an exercise in seduction.
In the states, if I pick up someone in the streets, she is usually not someone I would spent a minute with if I was single and/or met her in a bar. That is the difference between illegal prostitution and legal pay-for-play. But when I have access to legal RLDs I go nuts for it like kid in a candyshop. Where the same options here, I may not go as crazy but I would certainly spend a lot more time and money than I do now on SWs.