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[QUOTE=ThisIsHard;7462806]I tried her yesterday. No resemblance to picture.
Kinda of cute not hot but natural.
Said she is 21 just landed. Flat chested with a Bush. Said she is not okay with DATY but open to everything, BJ is very subpar like barely takes it in.
Very good to talk to with the help of translator. Can take a pounding, but shows she is new you have to bring your own service.
Might not repeat.[/QUOTE]Would you say she is worth the upcharge? I’m getting cold feet now.
[QUOTE=Stonkz;7463105]Would you say she is worth the upcharge? Im getting cold feet now.[/QUOTE]Well, your criteria can be summed up as "I'm tired of seeing the same HYA in town over and over, and I need a one now". So step 1 see Baby Sugar since it's been so long. Step 2, if you still need another new girl see Rosie K. There are pros and cons, but you will forgive them because she is new to you and young. You will have to bring your service. Same idea as Baby Rei J who has pros and cons but is young. It is a "good enough" scenario, same as Zia. A good enough girl is worth seeing the first time, they basically get a 25% to 50% scoring bonus for novelty. It's in our DNA.
Your only other options are to repeat step 1 twice, drive to OC, or close your eyes and open them in 1-2 weeks. Even Love Q may be back in a matter of weeks, but plans change.
[B]LA and OC[/B]
As you've often pointed out, not enough young girls give LA a try. I predict more will in the future, because OC is flooded with too many of them. So now a new girl has an inherent advantage for starting out in LA if she has the right basic qualities. It is true that more often, girls are defaulting to OC first then LA later these days. But there is too much competition in OC as a result.
In theory, high competition should lower prices but there's a lot of reasons why prices are sticky and it's hard to lower prices. One alternative to hoping girls reduce prices, is to simply choose girls who are priced better in the first place:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?37900-Thai-org-and-Thai-agency-girls&p=7463065&viewfull=1#post7463065[/URL] Thai org, Korg, Corg Pricing
Voting with our wallets by picking well-priced girls will inherently drop prices just by keeping those girls and agencies expanding. Begging won't.
[B]Clearing the Minefield[/B]
What makes this very complex is that the list of "well-priced" girls is completely different for every guy. But, there are clear patterns and some girls are obviously well-priced while a few are universal duds. Only intel will clear the minefields, and part of that includes honest feedback to bookers. They will not keep a girl if she has a consistent pattern of poor performance. The complex problem of Minefield Clearing is summed up here:
[QUOTE=Download X;7461066]A HYA Hunter is probably not going to have a very different "25% list" than me. A Service Hunter will have another 25% list. Allowing another 25% who fill some niche (girls with ridiculous ass, tits, or some other specialty), there remains a 25% of kgirls who can't justify their price and are below 10 points for every type of guy. True duds.
All I can do help make the 25% HYA Hunter list..It should be obvious enough I'm not going to see MILF Service queens, but at the same time I can actually recommend them to others. Girls I can't recommend to anyone are True Duds, the Dark Minefield for everyone.[/QUOTE]
Since I am using intel to rush for HYA, I don't even know who the true duds are. I just hear about them second hand from other people (I believe them, but I can't personally verify it). But if I make navigation maps of HYA and service hunters make navigation maps for service queens, we can overlay our maps and simply sail those routes.
[B]MILFs versus HYA[/B]
For those starting out, this is the HYA thread. Most beginners need the Korean Agency BB thread. HYA do not have enough service, you'll probably be disappointed in some way. It is summed up by this rule:
Fourth Law of Kgirls - [B]Looks or Service[/B]. By default, beginner guys should meet expert girls. Expert guys can meet beginner girls. In other words, beginners should see MILF service queens and experts can choose to see HYA.
If a guy is not sure if he should choose experienced MILFs or beginner HYA, he's best off defaulting to the MILFs. In hindsight there's no way I could have started out with HYA, I had low skills and experience. MILFs taught me everything and showed me a good time.
[QUOTE=Stonkz;7463105]Would you say she is worth the upcharge? Im getting cold feet now.[/QUOTE]For the looks and service. I didn't find her value for money at that rate, but then again you might find it otherwise. If you value seeing someone young may be its worth, she is cute and nice to talk with it's just her assets are very flat and service doesn't really make up for it.
[QUOTE=ThisIsHard;7463311]For the looks and service. I didn't find her value for money at that rate, but then again you might find it otherwise. If you value seeing someone young may be its worth, she is cute and nice to talk with it's just her assets are very flat and service doesn't really make up for it.[/QUOTE]It's really up to you to make these providers want to give you the service you want. Personally, I think B Sugar is well worth the money and find that my experience very different. She absolutely can be crazy in the bedroom.
[QUOTE=Smiles1818;7463388]It's really up to you to make these providers want to give you the service you want. Personally, I think B Sugar is well worth the money and find that my experience very different. She absolutely can be crazy in the bedroom.[/QUOTE]I thought they were talking about Rosie K. Are you just making a statement on service in general?
[QUOTE=Smiles1818;7463388]I think B Sugar is well worth the money and find that my experience very different. She absolutely can be crazy in the bedroom.[/QUOTE]What did you do made her go crazy? Can you share.
[QUOTE=Smiles1818;7463388]It's really up to you to make these providers want to give you the service you want. Personally, I think B Sugar is well worth the money and find that my experience very different. She absolutely can be crazy in the bedroom.[/QUOTE]I too agree that Baby Sugar can bang with the best of them. I don't agree that She's a "Bring your own service" chick. Quirky and if left unchecked, can go off on tangents? Yes. I specifically sought her out for her tongue ring alone. I was looking for a tongue piercing CIM. To my surprise, this chick could squabble! I ended up gettin' ACG'd to submission by her. And this was amidst that whole stalker situation of hers, too! She touched upon that briefly with me during the shower, but quickly got her head in the game and made sure I left satisfied.
[QUOTE=Stonkz;7463105]Would you say she is worth the upcharge? Im getting cold feet now.[/QUOTE]I don't think she is worth the premium. If you want someone that is young and cute at the same rate, Lizza / Dally in OC would be a better choice IMO.
[B]Jenny K[/B]
It looks like [B]Jenny K[/B] is still in LA. She is exclusive to KDreamClub in LA at 350 bb-special. She fills a niche where she has a balance of looks and service with good attitude. She is also well priced. I always summarize it like this: There are girls with higher looks than Jenny, but those girls generally have lower service and/or higher price. There are girls with higher service than Jenny, but they are almost all MILFs. Therefore, she is high service without going to MILF town.
[URL]https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/KgirlDream[/URL]
[URL]https://www.kdreamc.com/[/URL]
[B]Jenny K[/B] - Has both looks and service. Very good attitude, dtf. 5'1", usually in a very short skirt and pleaser heels, C or D MMs, late 20s, baby face, petite with good figure. Nice ass, very round tits, soft nipples that point. Limited English, some Chinese, a tiny bit of Japanese. Ad photo is very close and based on her with light PS. Seems to love it all.
My first visit to Jenny K, she did her make up exactly like her ad. She even wore that exact outfit. Later visits she had pigtails and different make up, but the same ridiculously tiny outfit that couldn't cover her ass. Her service got better over time, attitude was always great.
She was a fast learner and showed me new things she learned over time. I was standing on the ground as she was blowing me from the edge of the bed, and I asked her to turn around (so I could doggy her). She assumed I meant for bbbj and flipped over with her head hanging over the bed for me to face fuck her. I'm too shy to try this normally but she was so enthusiastic I could. Now that is compatability.
Whereas, there are other kgirls where 1 whole year later, they are still exactly the same level of service. Girls like Jenny and Isabella ranked up in service as the months passed.
[B]Why Jenny K and Mali Matter[/B]
Exclusive bookers have lower margins, which supports better priced girls. It's why agencies like SSG and FirstAsians have superior rates. There are disadvantages too, but if people care about price that is one way forward. That is why I bother to review Jenny K and Mali even though I am trying to book them myself and know they already have fans. I believe good value girls like them are the key to pricing, and there are maybe budget minded people who haven't heard of them.
When Mali and FA Isabella were in OC at the same time, they were close to fully booked and other OC HYA struggled that week. One HYA dropped her price by 100, another her bb price by 50. Even if Mali, FA Isabella, and Jenny K aren't your type, merely by existing they raise standards and lower prices because people are picking them on value. I notice that any time HYA say things are slow, I know of some girl who is not slow..
You'll notice KDC's HX account is active, so that is one way to screen. Another is a reference, if your booker supports it. Another option is if you booked Jenny in the past or booked another KDC girl in the past like Selena, Lisa, or Lia that might do it.
Even though I am a HYA Hunter first, I also consider myself three other sub-types: an Overall Hunter (Looks + Service combined), a Value Hunter (good girls who are cheap), and a Premium Hunter (top tier HYA). Below I summarize the approach for each goal:
[B]Overall Hunters[/B]
Jenny K was one of 4 girls in my "has both looks and service" guide:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?31240-Asian-PLEASER-discussion-forum-(please-post-reviews-in-the-review-forum)&p=7361901&viewfull=1#post7361901[/URL]
Others in that guide being MH Cherry, Baby Peach (OC), Allie (LA). Ariana in OC is another. You can also look up Jenny in this kgirl encyclopedia of descriptions:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?37370-Asian-Rosters-Reviews-Guides&p=7434756&viewfull=1#post7434756[/URL] Descriptions
[B]Value Hunters[/B]
Jenny K is an option for Value Hunters, meaning guys who are looking for a decent girl that is cheap. I rated Jenny B Looks A+ Service for a total scores of 7.3 (3.0 + 4.3). Her hour rate of 350 means a Value Rating of 26 (7.3 / 350 * 1.25 = .026). The average kgirl is 10 Points. For comparison, Nali is A Looks S+ Service, which is 9.3 Score and 32 Value. Kiko is 8.7 Score and 29 Value. It shouldn't be a surprise that bb special girls who are decent looking are going to score high. They are not common. To me, the average kgirl is bordering C-Tier and D-Tier. Most of the times I blind toftt "for adventure", I end up with one.
[B]Premium Hunters[/B]
True premium girls (500+ hr rate) are mainly for rich guys, who don't care much about the Value Rating. They generally only care about the Looks Rating, targeting S-Tier or high A-Tier girls. To me, Premium girls tend to have a combined Total Score of 7.0 to 10.0 as long as they have good attitude and cooperate. Their Value Rating is going to range 14 to 20 since they are expensive. The "premium lite" girls at 380 to 420 hr have an easier time passing 20 points. Peach and Lizza score 21 Value since they both have good looks and service and "only" cost 20% to 25% more.
Lucky if a girl just happens to be your type. I rated FA Isabella at SS Looks and S+ Service for 11.3 Score. It's probably a case where she is "my type". I imagine someone else considers her only S or A looks and S or A service. So, find your type. It is like having a premium girl without paying premium pricing! FA Isabella's main drawback is she is GFE only, so I apply a x.70 multiplier to her Score making her equivalent to 7.9 Points. But amazingly, she is also 240 hh 320 hr, which kesp her Value Rating very high at 24 even with the handicap. So I just repeat her over and over.
Luxury girls like Baby Sugar, Angel, Daisy score very high in looks. I think the main risk is every guy has a different take on service. No doubt, if you vibe well with one of them you are going to want to repeat them. You'll consider them decent value even with the premium. But it is really hard to predict. Sometimes second visit vibe is way better, just how it is.
[B]Aim Broad or Aim Narrow[/B]
The final strategy is one I've posted before, which is to Aim Broad or Aim Narrow. When someone rates a girl B-Tier, you might consider her A-Tier or C-Tier. That's normal, and you could even say you agree with them and find their intel helpful. You are still ruling out the mid and dud kgirls. That variance is the basis for the two strats:
Aiming Broad - you can aim broad which is to say you want A-Tier so you'll consider all B-Tier candidates because some of them could be A-Tier. This is the "passionate adventurer" route where you try every possibility so you don't miss a single girl, and you are enjoying the variety even if she is just B-Tier. You accept the C-Tier losses as part of the game. This is exactly how I used to hunt HYA.
Aiming Narrow - you truly want to focus on the best girls and need her to be A-Tier minimum at any cost. So what you do is you only consider S-Tier candidates, basically the top girls from other HYA Hunters. Many times, the S-Tier turns out A-Tier but that is okay. This is how I hunt top tier jgirl HYA in LA, since OC has so many HYA options already. I'm not going to drive to LA hoping for a B-Tier jgirl. I already have better kgirls in OC who take priority.
Except for once a year, I do not hunt White girls even though I find some of them hot. I suppose I'd give them a chance if they worked for korgs. I wrote a poem about why:
[B]White Girl Lament[/B]
Oh White girls, you are sometimes so hot when young, but so flaky, expensive, ymmv, and GPS. Then you get older and I no longer find you attractive, but your service and value become actually not bad. What is that.
Understanding all these strategies and refining your approach will help you maximize your success rate.
[QUOTE=Resilient John;7463555]I don't think she is worth the premium. If you want someone that is young and cute at the same rate, Lizza / Dally in OC would be a better choice IMO.[/QUOTE]
Yes, lucky for those in LA who can drive to OC. In a way, "dual city" mongers are the key to competition because it forces each city to cater to each type of customer.
[QUOTE=DownloadX;7463571][B]Jenny K[/B]
It looks like [B]Jenny K[/B] is still in LA. She is exclusive to KDreamClub in LA at 350 bb-special. She fills a niche where she has a balance of looks and service with good attitude. She is also well priced. I always summarize it like this: There are girls with higher looks than Jenny, but those girls generally have lower service and/or higher price. There are girls with higher service than Jenny, but they are almost all MILFs. Therefore, she is high service without going to MILF town.
[URL]https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/KgirlDream[/URL]
[URL]https://www.kdreamc.com/[/URL]
[B]Jenny K[/B] - Has both looks and service. Very good attitude, dtf. 5'1", usually in a very short skirt and pleaser heels, C or D MMs, late 20s, baby face, petite with good figure. Nice ass, very round tits, soft nipples that point. Limited English, some Chinese, a tiny bit of Japanese. Ad photo is very close and based on her with light PS. Seems to love it all.
My first visit to Jenny K, she did her make up exactly like her ad. She even wore that exact outfit. Later visits she had pigtails and different make up, but the same ridiculously tiny outfit that couldn't cover her ass. Her service got better over time, attitude was always great.
She was a fast learner and showed me new things she learned over time. I was standing on the ground as she was blowing me from the edge of the bed, and I asked her to turn around (so I could doggy her). She assumed I meant for bbbj and flipped over with her head hanging over the bed for me to face fuck her. I'm too shy to try this normally but she was so enthusiastic I could. Now that is compatability.
Whereas, there are other kgirls where 1 whole year later, they are still exactly the same level of service. Girls like Jenny and Isabella ranked up in service as the months passed.
[B]Why Jenny K and Mali Matter[/B]
Exclusive bookers have lower margins, which supports better priced girls. It's why agencies like SSG and FirstAsians have superior rates. There are disadvantages too, but if people care about price that is one way forward. That is why I bother to review Jenny K and Mali even though I am trying to book them myself and know they already have fans. I believe good value girls like them are the key to pricing, and there are maybe budget minded people who haven't heard of them.
When Mali and FA Isabella were in OC at the same time, other OC HYA struggled that week. One dropped her price by 100, another her bb price by 50. Even if Mali, FA Isabella, and Jenny K aren't your type, they set standards on what you get for your dollar. Any time HYA say things are slow, I know of some girl who is not slow..
You'll notice KDC's HX account is active, so that is one way to screen. Another is a reference, if your booker supports it. Another option is if you booked Jenny in the past or booked another KDC girl in the past like Selena, Lisa, or Lia that might do it.
Even though I am a HYA Hunter first, I also consider myself three other sub-types: an Overall Hunter (Looks + Service combined), a Value Hunter (good girls who are cheap), and a Premium Hunter (top tier HYA). Below I summarize the approach for each goal:
[B]Overall Hunters[/B]
Jenny K was one of 4 girls in my "has both looks and service" guide:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?31240-Asian-PLEASER-discussion-forum-(please-post-reviews-in-the-review-forum)&p=7361901&viewfull=1#post7361901[/URL]
Others in that guide being MH Cherry, Baby Peach (OC), Allie (LA). Ariana in OC is another. You can also look up Jenny in this kgirl encyclopedia of descriptions:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?37370-Asian-Rosters-Reviews-Guides&p=7434756&viewfull=1#post7434756[/URL] Descriptions
[B]Value Hunters[/B]
Jenny K is an option for Value Hunters, meaning guys who are looking for a decent girl that is cheap. I rated Jenny B Looks A+ Service for a total scores of 7.3 (3.0 + 4.3). Her hour rate of 350 means a Value Rating of 26 (7.3 / 350 * 1.25 = .026). The average kgirl is 10 Points. For comparison, Nali is A Looks S+ Service, which is 9.3 Score and 32 Value. Kiko is 8.7 Score and 29 Value. It shouldn't be a surprise that bb special girls who are decent looking are going to score high. They are not common. To me, the average kgirl is bordering C-Tier and D-Tier. Most of the times I blind toftt "for adventure", I end up with one.
[B]Premium Hunters[/B]
True premium girls (500+ hr rate) are mainly for rich guys, who don't care much about the Value Rating. They generally only care about the Looks Rating, targeting S-Tier or high A-Tier girls. To me, Premium girls tend to have a combined Total Score of 7.0 to 10.0 as long as they have good attitude and cooperate. Their Value Rating is going to range 14 to 20 since they are expensive. The "premium lite" girls at 380 to 420 hr have an easier time passing 20 points. Peach and Lizza score 21 Value since they both have good looks and service and "only" cost 20% to 25% more.
Lucky if a girl just happens to be your type. I rated FA Isabella at SS Looks and S+ Service for 11.3 Score. It's probably a case where she is "my type". I imagine someone else considers her only S or A looks and S or A service. So, find your type. It is like having a premium girl without paying premium pricing! FA Isabella's main drawback is she is GFE only, so I apply a x.70 multiplier to her Score making her equivalent to 7.9 Points. But amazingly, she is also 240 hh 320 hr, which kesp her Value Rating very high at 24 even with the handicap. So I just repeat her over and over.
Luxury girls like Baby Sugar, Angel, Daisy score very high in looks. I think the main risk is every guy has a different take on service. No doubt, if you vibe well with one of them you are going to want to repeat them. You'll consider them decent value even with the premium. But it is really hard to predict. Sometimes second visit vibe is way better, just how it is.
[B]Aim Broad or Aim Narrow[/B]
The final strategy is one I've posted before, which is to Aim Broad or Aim Narrow. When someone rates a girl B-Tier, you might consider her A-Tier or C-Tier. That's normal, and you could even say you agree with them and find their intel helpful. You are still ruling out the mid and dud kgirls. That variance is the basis for the two strats:
Aiming Broad - you can aim broad which is to say you want A-Tier so you'll consider all B-Tier candidates because some of them could be A-Tier. This is the "passionate adventurer" route where you try every possibility so you don't miss a single girl, and you are enjoying the variety even if she is just B-Tier. You accept the C-Tier losses as part of the game. This is exactly how I used to hunt HYA.
Aiming Narrow - you truly want to focus on the best girls and need her to be A-Tier minimum at any cost. So what you do is you only consider S-Tier candidates, basically the top girls from other HYA Hunters. Many times, the S-Tier turns out A-Tier but that is okay. This is how I hunt top tier jgirl HYA in LA, since OC has so many HYA options already. I'm not going to drive to LA hoping for a B-Tier jgirl. I already have better kgirls in OC who take priority.
Except for once a year, I do not hunt White girls even though I find some of them hot. I suppose I'd give them a chance if they worked for korgs. I wrote a poem about why:
[B]White Girl Lament[/B]
Oh White girls, you are sometimes so hot when young, but so flaky, expensive, ymmv, and GPS. Then you get older and I no longer find you attractive, but your service and value become actually not bad. What is that.
Understanding all these strategies and refining your approach will help you maximize your success rate.
Yes, lucky for those in LA who can drive to OC. In a way, "dual city" mongers are the key to competition because it forces each city to cater to each type of customer.[/QUOTE]Is this Jenny same as this Jenny K?
[URL]https://kbeautygirls.com/jeni3[/URL]
[QUOTE=Heizenberg;7463582]Is this Jenny same as this Jenny K?
[URL]https://kbeautygirls.com/jeni3[/URL][/QUOTE]
No, Jenny K's ad will look like this one attached. She 80% works OC now. For those who haven't seen her in over a year, she has MMs and is no longer a newbie. This tour in LA, she is only booked by:
[URL]https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/KgirlDream[/URL]
[URL]https://www.kdreamc.com/[/URL]
In OC, she is booked by many. She was often fully booked so I had to pre-book most of the time (I tried many times). OC had a series of hard to book girls like Jenny K, Katie K, and Kuzumi J. In particular, these girls actually got harder to book as their tour went on. This is the opposite of the normal trend, probably due to repeats and word of mouth. Reviews stopped mattering.
[QUOTE=Stonkz;7462856]Today is Baby Rei J last day guys.[/QUOTE]My mistake it's tomorrow, Saturday.
[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7463555]I don't think she is worth the premium. If you want someone that is young and cute at the same rate, Lizza / Dally in OC would be a better choice IMO.[/QUOTE]Welp, I'll probably see her next week then. I'll pay my last to Baby Rei J. I’m still part of the don’t drive to OC club lol.
[QUOTE=ThisIsHard;7463311]For the looks and service. I didn't find her value for money at that rate, but then again you might find it otherwise. If you value seeing someone young may be its worth, she is cute and nice to talk with it's just her assets are very flat and service doesn't really make up for it.[/QUOTE]So I'm just going to assume from what I got from all the intel on Rosie K is that she is worth seeing if you don't care about the up charge. I don't really care about service as long as they are young, cute and willing. I just have to make sure her face is good tho LOL.
[QUOTE=DownloadX;7463606]No, Jenny K's ad will look like this one attached. She 80% works OC now. For those who haven't seen her in over a year, she has MMs and is no longer a newbie. This tour in LA, she is only booked by:
[URL]https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/KgirlDream[/URL]
[URL]https://www.kdreamc.com/[/URL]
In OC, she is booked by many. She was often fully booked so I had to pre-book most of the time (I tried many times). OC had a series of hard to book girls like Jenny K, Katie K, and Kuzumi J. In particular, these girls actually got harder to book as their tour went on. This is the opposite of the normal trend, probably due to repeats and word of mouth. Reviews stopped mattering.[/QUOTE]Awesome!! Thanks for this info.
Appreciate it.
[QUOTE=Stonkz;7463623]My mistake it's tomorrow, Saturday.
Welp, I'll probably see her next week then. I'll pay my last to Baby Rei J. Im still part of the dont drive to OC club lol.[/QUOTE]I hear ya, man. I hate that drive to OC, too. But Lizza / Dally is well worth it. She's right up there with Nali. For anyone who likes hot, young little spinners with perfect bodies and excellent skills (and who doesn't?) Lizza and Nali compare favorably to the best ladies from the Golden Age of K-Girls 10 to 15 years ago.
If I could have a duo with Nali and Lizza, I would be happy to die right after that moment. It would be the peak of my existence! LOL!