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[QUOTE=Rileym;5599764][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e1270b14-ed98-4d59-9a01-30f4ce9cd039[/URL]
Asking 250 and can host. Does anyone have info on her? Seems TGTBT. Thanks![/QUOTE]No way that's real. Either that's not her picture or she will never show.
[QUOTE=LolBoat;5601015]Is it really a dark take though? They are my realistic observations. There is data to prove what I'm saying. I think I read somewhere that most men only have 3-4 sexual partners before they get married.
In 2018,27% of all 18 year old men were virgins. They started keeping track of this data in the early 90's and it always fluctuated a bit, but it was about 10% on average every year. In 2012 the # started climbing (due to tinder, imo.) and now its prob even higher than 30% due to the lockdowns.
Its tough out there![/QUOTE]I am living in a bubble, I did not realize things have gotten that bad. Weird is that I see some really wimpy young guys with some hot girls. I was jealous since the nerd me in HS had no chance with any hot girls. So are these new nerds getting action or just being in the friend zone.
Right now with instagram, snap and all the other social media I would be willing to bet that it is not 20 percent of guys fucking all the girls it is probably 5-10 percent.
In my day it was probably 20 percent.
Imagine the amount of attentions girls are getting on social media. An average 22 year old who is a 7 in looks probably gets propositioned for 7-10 dates a week.
That is too much competition for the majority of guys to deal with.
[QUOTE=ZckBrc;5601214]Ok brother, but you did not address one single thing I said, you just restated the same stuff with different words. You said that "You can't compare today to 100 years ago," and I agree, that's what you're doing. You're saying that you can compare it to thousands of years ago. That an instinct has been developing over centuries and you can trace that instinct to today and what I am saying is that cannot possibly be the case. There are too many holes in that story to really believe that. Ideas about "simps" "chads" "the game" "instinct" are not real. It's just language that guys use to try to explain behavior they really don't understand. If they understood it, couldn't they answer some questions about it? Couldn't they tell me exactly how it works? Couldn't they tell me about it's history and answer questions about its history? I mean, if someone cannot answer even the most basic questions about "a theory" then why do they even believe it? On what basis? Look, I've met a lot of chicks who do the same thing but instead of they use terms from astrology, someone is either a "Gemini" "Libra" "Taurus". What I am saying is that people want to believe in something that is simple and easy to understand, but the truth is that behavior is not easily explained. If it was then the world's best scientists would have it all figured out by now. I mean if anyone believes that someone selling a book or videos on youtube has all the answers to sexual behavior and relationships and that the world can be explained with terms like "libra" or "simp" then I don't know what to say. Beware of snake oil and bullshit, brothers.[/QUOTE]Let me explain it to you in simple terms.
If you are fucking a girl on SA for PPM. It doesn't mean she wants to fuck you, it doesn't mean you are making her pussy wet. She is fucking you for money.(I know this and do it anyway and it doesn't bother me one bit and it shouldn't bother anyone).
If you are fucking a girl that you work with with no ppm. It means that she wants to fuck you and in general she will have a higher attraction than the guy she met on SA.
I am not going to get into the science behind it but that is just the way it is. These girls you are paying ppm check there instagram. The guy they are banging is close to them in age and probably isn't much better looking than you are. But she rather fuck him for free than fuck you for 300 ppm.
If you take that same girl and said you have one of two choices.
She could break up with her boyfriend fuck you once a week for 300 ppm guaranteed for a year and make 14400 dollars guaranteed for the year.
Or fuck her boyfriend 3 times a week for free.
She will ghost you and choose her boyfriend. You are transactional her boyfriend is validated.
[QUOTE=Chiguyxxx;5601218]No way that's real. Either that's not her picture or she will never show.[/QUOTE]Set up a meet for drinks near my suburban home for Mon. Maybe she shows, if not I'll just get drunk. That girl is so fucking hot to me! OMG, would love to fuck her! Now I'm not going to give her a deposit if that comes up. Will report. Maybe she's just a little clueless about pricing, I did fuck an escort in San Fran 10 years ago that was as hot or hotter than her (bigger tits and so tight). Paid her $300, got her super high and we fucked like college kids for 90 minutes (paid for an hour) for $300.
[QUOTE=JustinFields;5601372]Right now with instagram, snap and all the other social media I would be willing to bet that it is not 20 percent of guys fucking all the girls it is probably 5-10 percent.
In my day it was probably 20 percent.
Imagine the amount of attentions girls are getting on social media. An average 22 year old who is a 7 in looks probably gets propositioned for 7-10 dates a week.
That is too much competition for the majority of guys to deal with.[/QUOTE]Yep, a few of the manosphere podcasts talked about this. The 10%-20% are getting pushed out. The end times are here!
So much cope in this thread. We have an interesting mix of guys who get it and guys who are absolutely clueless.
Everything involving women is fundamentally transactional, even if it's intangible and non-monetary. If they're into you for your status or your amazing fizeek, that is still transactional. That being said, hot young Seeking coeds have a plethora of attractive men and offers to choose from, and only so much time in the day. If she's regularly seeing you for $5 ppm she probably turned down and ignored dozens of higher offers for $6, $7, and up. Why? Because she likes you more than those other dudes. And that's true at every price range.
Sure it's possible she's only seeing you for the money and isn't into you one bit, but if you can't tell the difference then you're in that absolutely clueless category, and you need to learn how to attract women.
And yes there absolutely is an alpha / beta quality which girls can smell a mile away, which can easily overcome many other factors. If you think this is "pure pseudoscience" because you haven't yet been presented you with some peer-reviewed study from a university's sociology department then you're also in that absolutely clueless category and need to start learning from experience instead of so-called experts.
So I've been having lengthy messages back and forth with a somewhat fake looking profile of an Asian woman and she started getting frustrated that I couldn't get my WhatsApp to work. Truthfully it does work but only for my real, not burner number.
I've just had another one tonight with a different Asian woman that really really wanted to communicate on WhatsApp.
Guys, what is their end game here? Once is suspicious, twice makes me think this is a common scam.
[QUOTE=DynoJr;5601592]So I've been having lengthy messages back and forth with a somewhat fake looking profile of an Asian woman and she started getting frustrated that I couldn't get my WhatsApp to work. Truthfully it does work but only for my real, not burner number.
I've just had another one tonight with a different Asian woman that really really wanted to communicate on WhatsApp.
Guys, what is their end game here? Once is suspicious, twice makes me think this is a common scam.[/QUOTE]Discussed here: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?19231-Arrangement-Reports&p=5534807#post5534807[/URL].
Anyone have experience with this one?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a7f5cd5b-e002-41c8-99a9-01a3ca8ccfee[/URL]
[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5601747]Jesus Christ. Some of you are really jaded. Most girls, believe it or not, still want the fucking fairytale. The RomCom boyfriend who will impress their family and sweep them off their feet. They want to fall in love and get married and have children. Even the ones who fuck PPM on SA or even in the parlors still hold that hope in the back of their minds. There are plenty of hot girls who don't expect allowances and endless gifts. They chase their emotions more than they chase the money.[/QUOTE]What girls think / say they want and what they actually go for are usually two very different things. It's not hard to find a guy who won't do shit for them and perhaps even mooches. But if they're seeing that kinda guy they almost certainly want him to shape up and start acting like a man meaning both protector and provider. Or they 'll eventually find one who will satisfies both needs, assuming they are attractive enough to do so.
There's nothing jaded about it. It's just the reality of a sexual marketplace where men control access to marriage and women control access to sex.
And before you go there yes ofc there are exceptions to everything, but the exceptions also demonstrate the rule.
I don't know why some guys don't understand SA, SA is a market place where girls go on there to sell their pussy and guys go on there to buy pussy, it not that much different from amazon or ebay, the only really different is the sellers can refuse to sell you her pussy, you maybe get luck and get a fat old ladies pussy for free but idk, I don't go there, everything on sa is transactional, nothing is free. maybe you can ask a seller on amazon or ebay to sell you free products and see what they will said.
If hot young girls want to have sex, they just don't go on sa and find some old guys to fuck for free, they just don't do that, hot young coed go to college bar, club, party ect to find guys and have sex for free, not sa. If you look for love, marriage go to match, pof, church, dog park ect. But don't go on sa looking for love, you will not find it, be safe and just play the sa game and have fun
[QUOTE=RusselJimmies;5601617]Discussed here: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?19231-Arrangement-Reports&p=5534807#post5534807[/URL].[/QUOTE]So the ones I've communicated with have similar profiles. All are in their early 30's and the common story is that they're tired of all of the guys just looking for sex. But you sir, are different. I want to learn more about you including what you do for a living.
I saw on a Reddit somewhere that they start communicating on WhatsApp and convince you to make a deposit or some kind of investment. Not sure why they want you on WhatsApp other than they can get a real phone number that is attached to your real identity. I got a random message from an attractive Asian woman asking if I'm David. If I replied I suspect she would try to coax some kind of relationship out of me.
I've reported this type of activity to SA, so if anything hopefully they'll clean this up. Be careful and never disclose any identifying information until you at least get a real life in person meet.
Enough of this shit. I've got a couple real life white girls to work on.
[QUOTE=JustinFields;5600452]A 45 year old who was a chad when he was younger is not going to bang 21 year old on a regular basis. There is too much to overcome. The social stigma being that the girl can't bring you around family and friends. She is going to be attracted to guys her age for the most part. The dress, looks, and she will probably have more in common with the younger guy. A girl having sex with you for money than not for money is completely different. It is a different feeling for her and for you. She is more likely to cum when she is not fucking you for money. Many but not all girls have a barrier psychologically and will not cum with a guy they are fucking for money. I tell you what follow these girls on instagram and chat and see the guys they are fucking for free. They are not chads but they tend to be around there age. You don't see them on the there instagram story with the sugar daddy they met on SA.
You can't compare today to 100 years ago. A girl couldn't even get married in those days if she wasn't a virgin. In the 70's if you were in America and 40 you could go to eastern Europe and marry a 23 year old because in those days eastern Europe was poor and they were desperate. We are richer today but the gap as closed and people are not as desperate.
To sum it up the girl on seeking that I am paying to fuck sees me of lower value than she does the guy she is fucking for free.[/QUOTE]These discussions happen over and over on this site. You're not wrong, but we simply can't generalize the SD or SB populations as broadly as everyone would like to in order to fit their (not "there") personal ideologies and preferred narratives.
I've fucked girls on Seeking who didn't even know what being a sugar baby was. They thought it was where you went to meet older guys who would buy them dinner, which, of course, *is* transactional but trivially so. I've met and fucked two college girls from Seeking who I didn't spend a penny on. One of them drove from Tulsa to OKC to have a few drinks in the bar next to my hotel and then spent the night and wouldn't take any money, even though I tried. I've had a couple who took money but were surprised that I was offering. I'm in my late 40's and right now a 25 year old and hot family friend is throwing herself at me to the point of it being awkward who I can't and won't fuck because I am married and her dad is practically my brother and I usually make good decisions. Funnily enough, I saw her Seeking profile five years ago. She only had it up for a week or so, but she definitely likes older guys.
I'm on Seeking because I want to have better sex with hotter girls who are more likeable than I can find on most Escort sites. And because I'm married and want to stay that way, I basically need to find those girls on Seeking if I don't want it to affect my personal life. Paying them is the fastest, most consistent and reliable way to make that happen, so that's what I try to do.
Beyond my experience, I've seen physicians, lawyers and well-paid media personalities profiles on Seeking. I've seen MILFs with nannies, who drive Range Rovers our of their North Shore house that her husband is paying for. They don't need the money. They need the experience.
Some girls just like sex. Some good girls like to do bad things or feel dirty. Some bad girls are bad all the time. Some prefer older guys or guys with status. Some girls like all kinds of guys but prefer getting money, all things being equal. Some girls only fuck hot guys with nice cars and if they can get money while doing it, all the better. Some girls don't prefer older guys but like them well enough to fuck them if it's profitable. Some girls don't hate fucking older guys, but hate the idea of getting paid for sex but because they need the money but will still only fuck the most attractive and honorable seeming guys who make them feel like they are in a relationship. Some girls don't like fucking older guys but will if they get paid enough. Some girls will fuck whomever opens the hotel room door because they need money for heroin, baby formula or both.
They are all on Seeking. And sure, we're mammals and we do mammal stuff and that explains a lot of it. But no single social dynamic or ideology explains all the relationships that happen on Seeking because there's too much diversity. There are women who are prostitutes on Seeking and there are also women who aren't. There are guys who need to pay for it and there are guys that don't, and everything in between.
[QUOTE=ZckBrc;5600337]I just got to say that the talk about "simps" and "instinct" and "the game" is total pseudoscience. 1.) If what that original poster had said was true, then he, a guy at older age, would have "developed" that "instinct" for "the game" by now. Instead, he's hoping for an economic crash because it might increase his odds that he can score some young pussy. Well, why hasn't he "developed" that "instinct" for "the game" by now, if what he said was true? Shouldn't he have reached older age with such developed instincts that he doesn't need to use SA anymore? Shouldn't he be able to charm some coed out of her panties by now if what he was saying was really the way things worked. Sadly, "alpha" "beta" "instincts" "nature", it's all just stupid shit that people say, and it's not real. Yeah, it's what people believe and feel but just because you believe something strongly doesn't make it true. 2.) The entire argument makes it seem like humanity's current state of sex and relationships were the same in the past as they are now. Not true. Go back a few hundred years ago and did people get married or have sex for love or attraction? No, people got married and had sex to increase their family wealth. It was basically a transaction that went along the liens of "I'll have claim on some of your family's wealth and in return, you can fuck my daughter. " There was no "game" to it. If people want to talk about "game" then fine, but don't make it sound like it's a part of some larger scientific or historical thing. To suggest that there is an "instinct" is to suggest that people have been living like we have for thousands of years and developing it for thousands of years and that just is not true. If it were true, then what happened to that "game" and "instincts" for those thousands of years when people just basically hoped to sell their daughters to a family with more wealth?.[/QUOTE]A lot to unpack here.
There is a practiced element to picking up girls. Yes, if you're tall, dark young and handsome, it can be gravy, but still you need to develop confidence and the ability to flirt and make women laugh and be comfortable. Yes, I can see how banging SA girls could somewhat sharpen those skills because there's still an element of competition there, and you can practice convo skills, but it's still not the same as picking up girls for free because you really have to attract the girl with your wit and personality, not just looks or $.
And for an older guy to be able to use his advanced "game," well, that can be true for awhile, maybe into a guy's 40's or early 50's but I passed those milestones eons ago unfortunately. LOL. So what happens then, is there's that pesky fact of life called physical aging. And I'm not even talking about ol limp dick, talking about appearance. So it depends on what's "old. " An older guy can have advanced game or experience, but if he still looks like an old man, well, that's a problem in getting freebies. And after awhile an older guy has to be aware how ridiculous it would look to take a 21 yo out to a EDM festival or Olivia Rodrigo concert, or even a dinner! Ya sure, I'm going to be out there dancing wildly in a sea of 20 year olds, twirling all those day glow things to syncopated computer droning. Just no. LOL. While I'm sure it's happened out there, I think that's a pretty tall order. Not to mention the really older guys are more likely to have plenty of life / schedule commitments that prevent much freedom to go on dates, etc. Taking these SA girls out on real dates is, showing them a good time, I would think, is the key to getting freebies. Likely ain't going to happen for a 55+ yo, no matter the game he has. (Now I'll wait for a cavalcade of 55+ dudes here to pipe up saying they do it all the time LOL) So SA solves many of those problems, and there's no way I'm going to beat my head against a wall to try to pickup freebies there because the chances are so low considering the limitations discussed above.
Back in the "old days," humanity was at a different state, where survival and propagation of the species was paramount. Those factors overwhelmed the importance of "game" or "instinct" in mating. Mating was much more about status, practicality and proximity. I'd bet many men didn't get laid at all if you go back to really old times when the masses of surplus men were used as slaves or cannon fodder. Or they only banged other men or prostitutes. The "ballers" were the slave owners, nobles, royalty, business elites, etc. Etc. Who likely banged an outsized percentage of the women, maybe even more than now. Now we're in an age of leisure. We all have a huge choice on who to bang, unshackled about those worries back in the day. So game or instinct is more important. Women have more choices than ever before, so there is more competition for the attractive ones.
The mating game as always been somewhat cruel for marginal males. And that's because mating is all about maximizing population of the species, if you want to look at it scientifically. And it's much more important to make sure ALL women are banging and getting pregnant, ie, uterine capacity is maximized. And technically, all males aren't needed for that. So in a way, men are much less important in the population maximation scheme. But the surplus men would be very useful in providing labor, protection, being grunts. Etc.
If you watch animal videos, it's entertaining to watch the many hoops males have to jump thru to get prized females. And many males are shut out entirely. No different than human males, it seems. But meerkats don't have an equivalent to SA so they're SOL. LOL.