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[QUOTE=RockItAllNite;7445457]IMHO, the epitome of TYA is Milan. She is hot, young, sweet personality. Her body is tight and firm, not fat but thick and shapely, all in proportion, a great ass and legs, and a surprisingly tight pussy for a girl her size. Love bending her over the bed and fucking her doggie because the view is spectacular. Does anyone else here agree? BA, how about you?[/QUOTE]There's something special about a thicc shapely girl. Maybe because they are rare. Maybe because I like to see their asses jiggle. Dunno what it is about thick girls but they always seem to love pushing back in DS. Agreed with everything you mentioned about Milan. It sounds like she's toned up a bit since I saw her in OC, I might have to revisit.
Milan and Monique / Monica / Ziana are the TYAs that I know are working right now. Other thicc girls I've seen are Mocha (the SBC Iris one), Moon, Alice / Lydia, Bell, and Kai / Daisy. Mocha was peak TYA to me: super pretty face and soft all over, but I don't think she'll be back.
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M'eh
[QUOTE=Taliesin92;7445138]It's just a reality of this business. Many girls (not all of them, of course, but quite a few) are taking drugs of some kind. I've seen Collette / Ina many times over the past couple years and I would guess, at least half the time, she's been high on something. Many years ago, Pink / Kiko / Tomi now Gigi was my ATF and I saw her countless times when she was high as a kite. It's a lifestyle thing. I don't judge them. And, the fact is, if it wasn't for the high cost of their vices (drugs, gambling, luxury bags) they might not be in this business at all. So, it's a double-edge sword. Yeah, it would be great if they weren't on drugs. But if they weren't on drugs, some of them anyway, would not be available to us. They would be working a normal job, married to a normal guy, living a normal life.[/QUOTE]Whatever floats their boat. It's like banging a chick after a good night out at the club / rave. The first time I saw Baby Kendall, she was grinding her teeth so hard and a shit eatin' grin just took over my face. I had to join her and did a little partaking myself. That was indeed a fun session.
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[QUOTE=Stonkz;7445621]Do you know what happen to her? I thought she just went on break. Did she leave already? I was planning on seeing her again too lmao.[/QUOTE]I might have been the last one to see her and she was talking about travelling. Sad to see her go so soon.
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[QUOTE=SoloBolo;7445721]There's something special about a thicc shapely girl. Maybe because they are rare. Maybe because I like to see their asses jiggle. Dunno what it is about thick girls but they always seem to love pushing back in DS. Agreed with everything you mentioned about Milan. It sounds like she's toned up a bit since I saw her in OC, I might have to revisit.
Milan and Monique / Monica / Ziana are the TYAs that I know are working right now. Other thicc girls I've seen are Mocha (the SBC Iris one), Moon, Alice / Lydia, Bell, and Kai / Daisy. Mocha was peak TYA to me: super pretty face and soft all over, but I don't think she'll be back.[/QUOTE]Please clarify what you mean by "soft all over": jiggly, soft to the touch, as in smooth skin or flaccid, loose, wiggly?
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Arina
[QUOTE=BettingMan2000;7445157]LOL that's hilarious. Went to California Market also LOL. She literally bought the entire market. I was like bro no way you're cooking all this.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I guess she either eats a lot or shares with her roommate. Arina was a fun girl. Really wish she would come back to LA.
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[QUOTE=RockItAllNite;7446548]Please clarify what you mean by "soft all over": jiggly, soft to the touch, as in smooth skin or flaccid, loose, wiggly?[/QUOTE]It's been a while since I saw her so I'm just going off memory. She was tall and big boned, no loose skin except waist area. Had a slight belly pouch and small love handles, but borderline acceptable for me. Tits and ass were great, with good volume and shape. But I could see her getting loose and wiggly after a month of the American diet though.
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Intrigued by this HYA22 showing up on CGLA LOL. We just giving up on the overused Baby name at this point LOL.
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Sugar Baby
Ok bros, anyone got any idea when sugar baby coming back to LA?
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[QUOTE=BettingMan2000;7446887]Intrigued by this HYA22 showing up on CGLA LOL. We just giving up on the overused Baby name at this point LOL.[/QUOTE]
HYA22 is Zia. High tier body and tits, good service, but face is not main attraction. They updated the ad to show no CIP, just as intel said.
[URL]https://get9irl.com/Zia[/URL] Zia
[URL]https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/hya22[/URL] HYA 22
If you need CIP, consider [B]Solvi[/B] who is super skinny.
[B]What is Intel?[/B]
No less than 4 people reported Zia as no CIP, but people still doubted because they want to believe the ad. This is the [B]wishful thinking dilemma[/B]. I choose to believe intel instead, which is to simply believe something in proportion to the evidence. Ads are not intel. This demonstrates once again what intel really is, and I sum it up as the Third Law of Kgirls:
Third Law of Kgirls - [B]Intel[/B]. Only someone who has seen a girl can provide true intel. Sometimes a person second-hand can gather multiple reviews and see a clear pattern, or provide true intel through reliable second-hand sources.
It can be hard to track down intel for a lot of reasons. Sometimes, I and others will repeatedly warn that a girl does not match her ad. It did save a few people, but we are not perfect and sometimes it is too late:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?35890-LA-J-Girls&p=7446909&viewfull=1#post7446909[/URL] She is not JAV
With some exceptions, ads are not intel. It is the Leslie K problem, explained in detail here:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?35890-LA-J-Girls&p=7446890&viewfull=1#post7446890[/URL] Leslie K is B cup
[QUOTE=Download X;7446890]Bookers were listing Leslie K as D cup, but she is B cup. She was B cup for the whole year, but the ad always listed her as D cup. This is normal! Bookers have never seen the girl and would be the last person to know a girl's cup size. Their job instead is to post the ad they were given and book the girl, not lick her tits and verify them.[/QUOTE]
Licking and verifying a girl's tits is our job, not theirs.
[B]The Baby Label[/B]
[B]The Baby Label is for people who don't or can't use intel[/B]. I really don't pay attention to the Baby label. Some agencies never use it, and many top tier HYA don't use it. Laurent, Katie K, BB Asuka, SBC Daisy for example. Here, look at the "LA only chart" below and see:
[QUOTE=Download X;7441544][B]Looks Only Rankings for LA[/B]
[B]S-Tier[/B]: MH Yua, MH Nina, Baby Sugar, Laurent, Katie K, Baby Rose, MH Yisaya aka BB Asuka, SBC Daisy, SBC Freesia, Baby Mury
[B]A-Tier[/B]: Kuzumi J, Lizza aka Baby Dalli, Baby Peach aka Barbie, MH Malina No1, Mali aka Nali, MH Lily, Baby Ayaka, MH Ayaka aka NYSE Umeko, Nakamura, Elsa aka MH Ella, Purple K aka Tiara, Minji, Aoi J, MH Juliya, CAKD Amy Viet, Leslie K aka SBC Hannah, BRC Kiko aka FA Tomi aka Gigi, Yulie, Allie, MH Yan Jia No2, Baby Arin, Baby Hami[/QUOTE]
Much less than half the high tier girls are called Baby, and some bookers won't use it. "Baby" girls range from S-Tier to D-Tier, so it's better than nothing but not by a lot. Since [B]I only use intel now[/B] and get S-Tier to B-Tier using intel, so the label doesn't help me. It would actually hurt me to use it! But I'm a patient turtle. The rabbits who want to rush in will use any clue they can get. I guess the label exists for them.
It's not perfect, but [B]Get9, CGLA, and CAKD[/B] have given reasonable recs. Let's say 60% to 80% success, which is good. It helps a lot as long as you know exactly the kind of girl you like and tell them that one top criteria. Don't confuse them with multiple criteria or they can't really help you. If you ask for young, they'll give you young for example. If you ask for service, they'll do that well. But they can't know what you want as well as you do. Other options:
[QUOTE=Download X;7446464]There is one paradox that some bookers have loyal regulars and don't advertise or try to get new customers except by word of mouth. So I'll mention two of them:
[URL]https://www.kdollsla.com/[/URL] Julie's Girls
[URL]https://www.kgla.net/[/URL] Jane at KGLA
They are very good at what they do, but it's not for everyone. They don't always take new customers, but there are benefits for using them. Same for certain bookers in OC. Many people want fast and easy, but the best things are done slowly over time like a patient turtle.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Download X;7446411]For HX, these LA bookers give back network ratings last I checked:
[URL]https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/holyangel[/URL] Booker Gray
[URL]https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/Foxy.Club[/URL] Get9
[URL]https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/ROK-Girls[/URL] RomK
[URL]https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/gangnamsecrets[/URL] GNS
[URL]https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/SweetCandies[/URL] SweetCandies (thai org in SGV)
There's more I don't know about, maybe others can help.[/QUOTE]
I mainly visit OC, so that's the best I can do.
[B]Booker Intel[/B]
I will see a girl day one if a reliable booker vouches for the girl, and there are some situations where they can be reliable. A few bookers are about 80% accurate on HYA, which is quite amazing. Others are greedy and if they "ran out" of HYA will recommend the closest thing, which is risky and where the problems happen. This happens all the time and why I emphasize you have to think for yourself if you have specific tastes.
I'll talk about the 20% "miss rate" of the top HYA bookers. Among the 20% included an ATF pre-MILF I really liked, but she was not HYA. So I simply warned the booker that I really liked her, but other guys will find her older and not HYA. Of course, the booker then writes down and collects that feedback which is smart. The next time I tried to book the same ATF pre-MILF again, the booker actually warned me that she's not my type since she's older! I said I know she's older, but she's beautiful and that's all that matters to me. She is a true unicorn lover. The booker then remembered I already saw her. They were trying to protect me from seeing a pre-MILF / MILF.
In a roundabout way, I appreciated that bookers were looking out for me and protecting me from shipwreck, even though that girl was on my exception list for "not HYA but beautiful". This is exactly what I mean when I say some bookers have legit intel, but the accuracy is going to max out at 60% to 80% accuracy because they cannot know exactly what you want. Only you can. You'll have to figure it out.
[QUOTE=Stonkz;7446919]Ok bros, anyone got any idea when sugar baby coming back to LA?[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry. What you have to do is survive on the HYA rations currently in stock, and close your eyes. One day, you will re-open your eyes and several of your ATFs will suddenly be back. There is a prophecy that covers this:
[QUOTE=Download X;7408708][B]A Phoenix Reborn[/B]
One day, a maximum S-Tier kgirl will appear like a phoenix reborn. The process is HYA Ascension, the "looks only" version of Dragon Ascension. Service hunters will roll their eyes, but HYA hunters will hop in their cars when word spreads.[/QUOTE]
I have seen it with my own eyes and verified it with my own body. One girl transformed from A-Tier to SS-Tier, another from C-Tier to B-Tier, and another from S-Tier to High S-Tier. I was not the only one to notice, it is like Pokemon where with each evolution the stats just pop. More such girls will come.
I get the sense that you have underwent HYA Hunter Ascension, and there is no going back from that once you've had a taste and opened your eyes. It is the subject of the 4th law of kgirls:
Fourth Law of Kgirls - [B]Looks or Service[/B]. By default, beginner guys should meet expert girls. Expert guys can meet beginner girls. In other words, beginners should see MILF service queens and experts can choose to see HYA. This is why HYA Hunter Ascension is a one-way transformation.
I'm going to close out with two PSAs:
[B]Betadine Douche[/B]
[QUOTE=Lakers02;7446496]I dunno what it was but my god I gagged. She offered bare but I took one look at her and said no thanks.[/QUOTE]One thing many kgirls use is Betadine (brand name for Povidone-iodine), an iodine based antiseptic sold everywhere. Mixed with water, it is [B]"Listerine for pussy"[/B] and applied by a douche. It is very effective at killing all smells, bacteria, and viruses.
Girls need to buy Betadine and a douche applicator, and learn how to use it. Make sure to dilute with water as instructed. For 10% Betadine, the ratio is roughly 8:1 (30 mL Betadine to 250 mL lukewarm water):
[URL]https://ph.betadine.global/en/ph/product-category/product/feminine-care/povidone-iodine-betadine-10-vaginal-douche[/URL] Betadine
[I]Povidone-iodine (polyvinylpyrrolidone iodine complex, PVP-I) solution was developed in the nineteenth century and has been widely used as an antiseptic solution for more than 60 years given its potent broad-spectrum activity against bacteria, virus, fungus, and protozoa.[/I]
It's an antiseptic. So same as washing your hands to prevent catching the cold or flu, it is a hygene solution. Note that once you catch the cold or flu, washing your hands won't cure it. There are very many studies done on Betadine confirming it is effective against bacteria and viruses for prevention, but it is not a treatment for someone who already has something. So the same way Listerine kills 99% of bacteria in your mouth and leaves you fresh for hours, eventually that 1% grows back. Not bad, but not a cure-all.
[B]Watch Your Surroundings[/B]
I make this reminder about twice a year for LA. Watch your surroundings, and that no one is following you. In OC we used to have periodic problems, but awareness helped solve it. Sometimes I would even see a poster on the wall showing specific people to check against. Strip clubs will do something similar, and if they see a matching guy they won't hesitate to call the cops. I've written City of Industry strip club guides for years, and the cops don't care that the strippers bang but they will show up asap for everything else because it's about keeping the community safe. The key point is [B]strip clubs don't bother the neighbors and keep it private, so everyone is happy[/B].
Oh btw if you love skinny White girls, try Synn at COI (City of Industry). You are going to overpay, but a few girls like [B]Synn Paris[/B] are top tier White girls. High S-Tier. If you are a "body first" guy don't don't care about face:
[QUOTE=Download X;7168634]So what luck, I walked into a COI club and immediately discovered [B]White Bona[/B]. Team Seven material there. Just wrong race and definite body over face. She gets on stage, and I know how it is - nobody goes to the tip rail because [I]COI is full of cheap bums[/I]! But I know how to get things done at a strip club. I go up and toss some 1s. Just five is enough, then I lean forward for it. [B]I'm the only guy so she pretty much has to wave her pussy inches from my face.[/B] Happily mind you, easiest thing in the world for these girls it's their sell chance for the main course. Mmmm Hmmm, white pussy is the cure for [B]White Fever[/B]. The stage is very well lit mind you, so I get a real good look when she was an inch from my nose asking if I want more. So I decide, this is the best pussy I've seen in a long time. Which is quite a statement coming from me. I know this is a petting zoo, but I have to negotiate for things later, so I make a tactical retreat. I pull back early and go to my seat with the others, even though her stage hasn't finished yet. Like I wasn't that interested. Makes negotiation later a snap.[/QUOTE]
I had a horrible case of White Fever that she cured for me, I suffer it about once a year. Now that I look at her photos, one looks more like White Nali and while the other looks like White Bona if she were bending over just perfectly:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=764178&d=1737354038[/URL] [B]White Nali[/B]
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=764186&d=1737354038[/URL] [B]White Bona[/B]
I no longer write COI guides, so you'll have to figure it out.
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HYA22 aka Zia
[QUOTE=BettingMan2000;7446887]Intrigued by this HYA22 showing up on CGLA LOL. We just giving up on the overused Baby name at this point LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to lie, I laughed out loud when I saw that ad. It's good advertisement though, it almost made me think about it. But the face is my main attraction. If she was at my favorite K town spot that starts with a H, I probably would have sampled regardless.
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[QUOTE=BettingMan2000;7446887]Intrigued by this HYA22 showing up on CGLA LOL. We just giving up on the overused Baby name at this point LOL.[/QUOTE]Seriously. I saw her when she first started and she was cip, so she must have changed her mind since. She has a nice body but is not "baby" material. These bookers need to chill with the baby, couple of the girls I seen with baby at the "h" location I know for fact was pushing mid 30's some even 40's. Using baby for girls under 25 is understandable. But shouldn't be overused to push a girl.
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[QUOTE=ShyBoy73;7447306]Seriously. I saw her when she first started and she was cip, so she must have changed her mind since. She has a nice body but is not "baby" material. These bookers need to chill with the baby, couple of the girls I seen with baby at the "h" location I know for fact was pushing mid 30's some even 40's. Using baby for girls under 25 is understandable. But shouldn't be overused to push a girl.[/QUOTE]So how old would you say she is? I still need more convincing since I got no one new to see. Would you repeat? I just like the H location because it's the nicest place with the easiest entry and parking so I have no problem toffting girls in that place.
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[QUOTE=BettingMan2000;7447392]When I first started this hobby, and before I found this forum, Baby name and TER was my only two reference points. That scored me Baby Arin, Baby Arina, Baby Sugar. Non baby names I'll put on my HYA / CYA list is Betty J and Minji, purely from TER reviews.
One thing I'll say that's helped me get more good hits than misses is having a good relationship with your booker.[/QUOTE]
Well, that's why I posted an encyclopedia of reviews. Once I post reasonably accurate intel, I don't really care if people use it or not. I'm counting on only half the people paying attention, too much is not a good thing either. One rationale is I just want to help the smartest reviewers avoid shipwreck, and it gives momentum for them to follow up with their own review. That's all it takes.
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?37370-Asian-Rosters-Reviews-Guides[/URL] Girls descriptions
We ended up with maybe 5 opinions on Minami in just 2 days due to intel sharing. Most girls get zero reviews even after weeks of working. So, just giving a hint is enough to start the process.
Yes, there are some girls that are "regulars only" or required a good track record. Some have no ads even. If you treat girls reasonably rather than unreasonably, the doors of opportunity open. I've posted PSAs on the subject, so the best and smartest have already figured it out. It's also why it kind of works out if only some people are screened with KDC. Some girls want the right balance of bookings and to prioritize existing regulars.
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[QUOTE=DownloadX;7447181]No less than 4 people reported Zia as no CIP, but people still doubted because they want to believe the ad. This is the wishful thinking dilemma. I choose to believe intel instead, which is to simply believe something in proportion to the evidence. Ads are not intel.[/QUOTE]Some dudes don't just ignore intel, they treat restrictions as challenges to overcome. They read "no CIP" but instead of taking it at face value, they log it as "maybe I can be the exception," like her menu's hiding some secret waiting to be busted open.
That's when wishful thinking turns into full-on delusion. Instead of "believe the evidence," it becomes "believe the fantasy I want to be true. " And even with four consistent reports, dudes still go, "Well, maybe she'll let me. ".
What they don't consider is the potential for collateral damage. That is, ego-driven "exception hunting" effecting girls tightening menus, raising rates, or packing up and disappearing. One dude's need to feel exceptional becomes everyone's loss.
At that point, it's not about intel, it's about ego validation at the expense of the whole ecosystem.
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[QUOTE=DownloadX;7447181]No less than 4 people reported Zia as no CIP, but people still doubted because they want to believe the ad. This is the [B]wishful thinking dilemma[/B]. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SsStuntCock;7447641]That's when wishful thinking turns into full-on delusion. Instead of "believe the evidence," it becomes "believe the fantasy I want to be true. " And even with four consistent reports, dudes still go, "Well, maybe she'll let me..[/QUOTE]I'm kinda feeling like these comments are low-key directed at me since I asked the question:
[QUOTE=Kaamper;7444203]"6 et9 irl" and Gangnam Secrets both have Zia listed as OK with CIP. I don't see "NO CIP" for her on any other sites. Is the no-CIP confirmed? That's kind of a deal breaker for me.[/QUOTE]This isn't the only place for intel. When reports don't match, it makes sense to dig deeper. I have since pieced together that Zia / HYA22 [B]USED TO[/B] offer CIP, but now doesn't. It's not about wishful thinking or delusion. It's just detective work to ensure I'm spending my money in the right place. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.