Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3866258]I want to make sure I understand. So you guys are saying if a chick walks up and asks for $5 to buy a hamburger or formula for her kid, there's nothing wrong with offering the $5 for a BBBJ or FS, cause it's just two adults making a deal? No unfair leverage or anything?[/QUOTE]Argumentative without much basis at best. First things first. No one here (hopefully) is deliberately taking advantage of someone / anyone. This is a hobby for most and each and every one spends as much as they can on their hobby. While I wouldn't lowball a SW to a BBBJ for 10 $ but then if I am offered one for 10 $ I will gladly accept it. Maybe I will be skeptical if this could be a trap.

When it comes to moral policing, Are we the best bunch of folks to talk about it? Have you ever come across any provider who appeared less than 18/16? Did you report it?

Roger and Dnut: I like both you guys. Hell I like most guys on here. I don't care for KK or Thatguy but I have to admit when they're not being arrogant jerks they do post good information and make some good points so I give them a little respect.

As for morality Rog and D. The way you two talk is kind of shocking in a way, but I get it. I mean let's not sugar coat this. We pay for sex. That simple. No if ands or butts about it. Is that moral? Some will argue that it's not. Some don't care. But it is what it is. If you went to Walmart and saw the same thing for $5 that you could get at Target for $8 would you leave and go buy it at Target so as to not take advantage of Walmart for being so cheap? I know it's not a perfect analogy but you take the point?

I have paid too much before. I have also gotten deals. Most of the time I base what I'm willing to pay on my current sexual need and my current financial situation. I'm not wealthy but I do okay. So when I have the cash and need some I will sometimes pay a little more for it. But with some of my regulars if I'm having a slow month at work and they (the girls) are contacting ME (IE. They are in more need at that moment than me) I offer them a low ball price and guess what, 9 times out of 10 they take it and I get a deal. Do I feel bad? No. Will I pay more later down the line? Sometimes. But I try to get the same deal as before since I know they will go for it. Sometimes more money can sweeten their attitude during the session so at times I'll pay more for better service.

But, in the end it's all the same thing. We are using them and they are using us. Just like any other business transaction in the world. And everybody wants the best deal for what they are trying to get.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3867688]It seems everybody was getting on a fellow monger over the past few weeks because he didn't agree with the way some of people spent their money on women, isn't this the same thing. There is always a market value, the more desperate the chick general the cheaper you get the service. If I see a woman and she is what I want to do and she offers me a hummer for 10 bucks what am I supposed to say? Naw I'm a mutually beneficial transaction person I'm giving you 50 so I can pay fair market value, because I'm a very fair person that doesn't take advantage of a person that's down and out. Come on man. And as I said before it seems like you're telling people they aren't buying pussy the correct way their way is bullshit taking and they're advantage of people and your way is the best and most honorable way to buy punanny. Come on man. HL29.[/QUOTE]I remember that guy you speak of.

[QUOTE=Neostud;3868066]Roger and Dnut: I like both you guys. Hell I like most guys on here. I don't care for KK or Thatguy but I have to admit when they're not being arrogant jerks they do post good information and make some good points so I give them a little respect.

As for morality Rog and D. The way you two talk is kind of shocking in a way, but I get it. I mean let's not sugar coat this. We pay for sex. That simple. No if ands or butts about it. Is that moral? Some will argue that it's not. Some don't care. But it is what it is. If you went to Walmart and saw the same thing for $5 that you could get at Target for $8 would you leave and go buy it at Target so as to not take advantage of Walmart for being so cheap? I know it's not a perfect analogy but you take the point?

I have paid too much before. I have also gotten deals. Most of the time I base what I'm willing to pay on my current sexual need and my current financial situation. I'm not wealthy but I do okay. So when I have the cash and need some I will sometimes pay a little more for it. But with some of my regulars if I'm having a slow month at work and they (the girls) are contacting ME (IE. They are in more need at that moment than me) I offer them a low ball price and guess what, 9 times out of 10 they take it and I get a deal. Do I feel bad? No. Will I pay more later down the line? Sometimes. But I try to get the same deal as before since I know they will go for it. Sometimes more money can sweeten their attitude during the session so at times I'll pay more for better service.

But, in the end it's all the same thing. We are using them and they are using us. Just like any other business transaction in the world. And everybody wants the best deal for what they are trying to get.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the note. You make valid points. I'm sure we've all negotiated price reductions. The thing is, I've never done it with a "zero-sum" mindset, which is what I am talking about here. We all know when we are taking advantage of someone that's desperate, and I believe we can all go bang hookers while retaining some humanity.

Those are my opinions. Everyone is entitled to their own.

[QUOTE=RajReddy;3867829]Argumentative without much basis at best. First things first. No one here (hopefully) is deliberately taking advantage of someone / anyone. This is a hobby for most and each and every one spends as much as they can on their hobby. While I wouldn't lowball a SW to a BBBJ for 10 $ but then if I am offered one for 10 $ I will gladly accept it. Maybe I will be skeptical if this could be a trap.

When it comes to moral policing, Are we the best bunch of folks to talk about it? Have you ever come across any provider who appeared less than 18/16? Did you report it?[/QUOTE]I stick with the older ladies. If you can't have a drink with me, you are too young.

What the fuck is that? Didn't know there was a price list for a fair market value or a instruction manual on how to price providers for a fair market value. Anyone have one I would like to see it. LOL Or can we go to the stock market and find it or a auction. Come on get real. A deal is what you pay for and if that provider pleased you and gave you satisfaction. Lenny6746.

[QUOTE=WillieWanka;3869841][URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.nl/classifieds/index.php?view=showad&adid=55835&cityid=350[/URL]

Any intel? Can't find anything.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jeh123;3869966]You're not the first to ask.[/QUOTE]Can't find anything with reverse image search, but seriously. You aren't banging that chick for $160.

But hey! Maybe thatguy and kid fukki are hitting it for 20 bucks? LOL.

[B]Mr. Dangerfield's Safety Tips for Hookers. [/B]

Providers, please, when I text you, and tell you who I am -.

[B] DO NOT SHOW ME RESPECT![/B]

Please, please, please. Make me send you a PM!

It might be your worst nightmare pretending to be me.

[B] Make all new mongers send you a PM. [/B]

That way, you can check them out.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3870206]Can't find anything with reverse image search, but seriously. You aren't banging that chick for $160.

But hey! Maybe thatguy and kid fukki are hitting it for 20 bucks? LOL.[/QUOTE]If she hits the streets, sure will.

Unlike you, I don't see something made from unobtanium.

Oh, and banging hookers while retaining humanity? Good one.

Do you even believe that men have ever gotten pussy for free?

I might be a 'douche' but hey, it started because I was attacked for posting about my AMP experiences because a bunch of jealous old viagra guys who spent $1000's in total over months and years, visiting place after place, and couldn't get what I got after 2 visits. And there's also the fact that anytime price is mentioned, someone always has to act like paying more is better, because obviously they must have more to spend, I've had that convo more than once here.

[QUOTE=Lenny6746;3869438]What the fuck is that? Didn't know there was a price list for a fair market value or a instruction manual on how to price providers for a fair market value. Anyone have one I would like to see it. LOL Or can we go to the stock market and find it or a auction. Come on get real. A deal is what you pay for and if that provider pleased you and gave you satisfaction. Lenny6746.[/QUOTE]I find this pricing discussion fascinating, mostly because I've just paid whatever I thought was the best deal time-wise, based on texts and different ads from providers. Sometimes I got girls to come down to a lower rate, based on variances between reviews and / or ads, and other times they would give me an old lower rate if they had recently increased their rates. I know girls will quote different prices to different guys, which probably explains why so many of their ads don't tell us their rates. Heck, they might change them on a daily basis, depending on how many clients they have lined up that day. If they're quoting us different prices, it seems they are almost expecting us to negotiate the rate down with them. There really does seem to be a fair market value at play here, because if some guys are paying a lot higher than what other guys are paying, it drives the price up and makes it tougher on everyone's wallets.

Right now there are a couple interesting examples playing out. There's the BabySky ad, which seems TGTBT based on the google face reverse searches, but if one guy's hitting it for 60 and another is getting it for 20, I guess I'd rather be the second guy. LOL I hope that doesn't make me immoral. And then there's this Kaelin girl people are talking about: is she 120 for a HHr? Or 200?? Or wait, was that 200 for a Hr? I guess you have to text her and find out. Here's the ad in case you missed it. I may have to text her myself if someone doesn't find out soon:

[URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.nl/classifieds/index.php?view=showad&adid=56935&cityid=350[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lenny6746;3869438]What the fuck is that? Didn't know there was a price list for a fair market value or a instruction manual on how to price providers for a fair market value. Anyone have one I would like to see it. LOL Or can we go to the stock market and find it or a auction. Come on get real. A deal is what you pay for and if that provider pleased you and gave you satisfaction. Lenny6746.[/QUOTE]You've never referenced The Pink Beaver Book (PBB) for short. It has Fair market value, trade in value. Goes by mileage and condition. 😂.

I did what I thought was an honest review on Ella Mae I stated the differences from when I saw her 6 weeks or so ago until when I saw her Thursday. There was no bashing just my personal opinion I wasn't trying to cost her money or her business which goes hand in hand I just wanted my fellow monger brothers to be informed as that is what we are supposed to do. Well some back stabbing SOB ran to Ella and told her I wrote a bad review on her. Now I've got this girl texting raising cane over this. Guys this site is for us to keep each other safe and have useful knowledge when going into an unknown encounter with women who are quite frankly for the most part all over the place where any and everything can happen. I post a report and somebody on here tries to backstab me.

Ella is a nice girl who let somebody rile her up now she says maybe it's best her and I don't see each other, which I can handle I'd only seen her 4 times over the past 6-8 months and before that I hadn't seen her in a couple years. And we had fell out then. So I'm sure as long as she's in the game she'll come around and I'll see her again. Just pissed at the monger who thought it was cool to run back to a provider and try to start some BS. One of Ella's complaints with me was I shorted her. Well the whole truth is I waited at the hotel for about 40 minutes waiting on her then she wanted the room money so she could get the room. I'm always leery about that so I put the room in my name cost me 68 bucks she wanted 10 more not a lot in the grand scheme of things but I felt like my time waiting on her and the fact I used my ID and credit card number for the hotel to hold for any miscellaneous damages ought to be worth something. I normally don't put my name on anything regarding this hobby the fact I did it for her should have told her something but I guess not.

So hopefully the A-Hole monger who ran to Ella got what he wanted. I'm sure this is why we don't get honest upfront reviews guys are scared the provider will see it and cut him off. As I said I'm not worried about Ella cutting me off I'm sure I'll see her again and if not oh well. Rant over. HL29.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3871021]I did what I thought was an honest review on Ella Mae I stated the differences from when I saw her 6 weeks or so ago until when I saw her Thursday. There was no bashing just my personal opinion I wasn't trying to cost her money or her business which goes hand in hand I just wanted my fellow monger brothers to be informed as that is what we are supposed to do. Well some back stabbing SOB ran to Ella and told her I wrote a bad review on her. Now I've got this girl texting raising cane over this. Guys this site is for us to keep each other safe and have useful knowledge when going into an unknown encounter with women who are quite frankly for the most part all over the place where any and everything can happen. I post a report and somebody on here tries to backstab me.

Ella is a nice girl who let somebody rile her up now she says maybe it's best her and I don't see each other, which I can handle I'd only seen her 4 times over the past 6-8 months and before that I hadn't seen her in a couple years. And we had fell out then. So I'm sure as long as she's in the game she'll come around and I'll see her again. Just pissed at the monger who thought it was cool to run back to a provider and try to start some BS. One of Ella's complaints with me was I shorted her. Well the whole truth is I waited at the hotel for about 40 minutes waiting on her then she wanted the room money so she could get the room. I'm always leery about that so I put the room in my name cost me 68 bucks she wanted 10 more not a lot in the grand scheme of things but I felt like my time waiting on her and the fact I used my ID and credit card number for the hotel to hold for any miscellaneous damages ought to be worth something. I normally don't put my name on anything regarding this hobby the fact I did it for her should have told her something but I guess not.

So hopefully the A-Hole monger who ran to Ella got what he wanted. I'm sure this is why we don't get honest upfront reviews guys are scared the provider will see it and cut him off. As I said I'm not worried about Ella cutting me off I'm sure I'll see her again and if not oh well. Rant over. HL29.[/QUOTE]I agree we should be sharing our true experiences with fellow mongers, but you always a captain save a hoe lerking for a chance to get on a girls good side, theses girls sell a service that's all. Just my two cents, don't be offended by truth.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy011;3870473]If she hits the streets, sure will.

Unlike you, I don't see something made from unobtanium.

Oh, and banging hookers while retaining humanity? Good one.

Do you even believe that men have ever gotten pussy for free?

I might be a 'douche' but hey, it started because I was attacked for posting about my AMP experiences because a bunch of jealous old viagra guys who spent $1000's in total over months and years, visiting place after place, and couldn't get what I got after 2 visits. And there's also the fact that anytime price is mentioned, someone always has to act like paying more is better, because obviously they must have more to spend, I've had that convo more than once here.[/QUOTE]Or you don't do what you say you will when you tell seniors to PM you.

Once a douche, always a douch.

Golfguy, playing through.

[blue]Did somebody call my name?

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=GolfGuy;3871457]Or you don't do what you say you will when you tell seniors to PM you.

Once a douche, always a douch.

Golfguy, playing through.

[blue]Did somebody call my name?

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]What are you even talking about?

I have gotten TWO useful PM's the whole time I've been here. If any other question I had was ever answered, it was answered in a thread. I have definitely given better than I have received. I most certainly have never asked YOU for anything, Infact, if I'm correct, you're one of the main people that was crying about the AMP, begging for PM's, remember that "I challenge you to post it" bullshit you tried. You're laughable. Now you're coming up with fake scenarios of me asking people for info. The first I know of you is whining about Kim, there is zero way I would have asked you for anything, or even offered to help you after that. And since I discovered that all by my wittle ol' self, and now have a FS replacement (not with Kim's replacement) why would I ask anyone for info at this point, unless we're equal trading? And since everyone is convinced that FS at an AMP doesn't exist in Cincinnati, I know you don't have anything for me. But I guess, there I go lying again about alleged AMP's.

Hey, did you get to fuck Kim? Probably didn't get to play through on that one, eh? And if you did, guess who that's thanks to?