Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=SkirtChacer;3864573]Reminds me of a joke where a group of men were talking about "what would you do for a million dollars?" One guy pipes up and blurts out guys, I'd suck a dick for a million bucks whereas one of his friends asks if he'd suck one for ten bucks to which he answers HELL NO! His buddy reminds him that he is already classified as a cock sucker, the only thing left is haggling on the price.

We all take advantage of each other. Whoever is your ATF, no matter how cool you think you are, wouldn't fuck you for free so you hold an advantage over her that permits that to happen. You have money that they want for drugs, booze, pimps, food, whatever it is that they need money for. We exploit them for pussy. The cost of the pussy is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]Well said skirtchaser.

[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;3865947]I agree. It's nothing more than paying for services rendered.[/QUOTE]I want to make sure I understand. So you guys are saying if a chick walks up and asks for $5 to buy a hamburger or formula for her kid, there's nothing wrong with offering the $5 for a BBBJ or FS, cause it's just two adults making a deal? No unfair leverage or anything?

Yeah, I picked $5 as a ridiculous number. Bump it up to $10 or $20 if you want. Maybe she wants a bucket of Colonel Sanders. You get the idea.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3866258]I want to make sure I understand. So you guys are saying if a chick walks up and asks for $5 to buy a hamburger or formula for her kid, there's nothing wrong with offering the $5 for a BBBJ or FS, cause it's just two adults making a deal? No unfair leverage or anything?

Yeah, I picked $5 as a ridiculous number. Bump it up to $10 or $20 if you want. Maybe she wants a bucket of Colonel Sanders. You get the idea.[/QUOTE]Not going to hurt my feelings to get a BJ for 5 bucks.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3866258]I want to make sure I understand. So you guys are saying if a chick walks up and asks for $5 to buy a hamburger or formula for her kid, there's nothing wrong with offering the $5 for a BBBJ or FS, cause it's just two adults making a deal? No unfair leverage or anything?

Yeah, I picked $5 as a ridiculous number. Bump it up to $10 or $20 if you want. Maybe she wants a bucket of Colonel Sanders. You get the idea.[/QUOTE]I think what RogerOver is getting at (and correct me if I'm wrong) but that $5, $10, or $20 for a BJ is predatory. It's not so much a transaction as it is closer to blackmail; "suck my cock or your kid goes hungry". It may be two adults making a deal, but one is hardly in a position to be able to say, "No".

This business in which we choose to partake skirts that very fine line; cash for personal services rendered. My policy of never hooking up with someone under the influence of drugs and / or alcohol is based entirely on the girl's ability to say, "no" and fully participate in the activities. Being so desperate that $5 for a BJ is acceptable to her, to me at least, also means that the girl doesn't have the ability to say, "no". There is no consent. Just a person resigned to her fate. For that, I would just hand her some cash and send her on her way.

But that's just me.

[QUOTE=Stevetimder;3865805]Don't block me, A2.

I spent one half of my income to get it once every 2 weeks. Worked out to a couple grand a pop. Plus all the other crap that went with it. If a person is a high wave earner, this activity is cheap. If I hire someone to clean my house or now my grass, is it wrong to hire other services?

[blue]If you use the "m" word again I may have to.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Yeah A2, I hate "mowing" my grass too but it's not worth banning him for mentioning it.

Wait, you probably meant the other 'm' word. In that case, I wholeheartedly agree with you!

[QUOTE=DNut;3866338]I think what RogerOver is getting at (and correct me if I'm wrong) but that $5, $10, or $20 for a BJ is predatory. It's not so much a transaction as it is closer to blackmail; "suck my cock or your kid goes hungry". It may be two adults making a deal, but one is hardly in a position to be able to say, "No".

This business in which we choose to partake skirts that very fine line; cash for personal services rendered. My policy of never hooking up with someone under the influence of drugs and / or alcohol is based entirely on the girl's ability to say, "no" and fully participate in the activities. Being so desperate that $5 for a BJ is acceptable to her, to me at least, also means that the girl doesn't have the ability to say, "no". There is no consent. Just a person resigned to her fate. For that, I would just hand her some cash and send her on her way.

But that's just me.[/QUOTE]Then that makes you a sucker.

I (nor should you) don't give a damn about these girls. First of all, she can more than certainly say "that's not enough" if she wants. And a point that I have tried to make, is, I'm sure the same girl is not giving everyone the same deal; again, they aren't completely stupid. Just mostly. But they likely have just enough sense to know what kind of male they can take advantage of, and get more out of. If you look like what we picture a monger to look like, or someone that would really have no other choice for sex, all but the most tweekiest girls are going to make you pay up. If they look remotely good, they know they are an upgrade for you.

I don't care about why they are choosing to do what they do, for the price they agreed on. If someone I don't know asks me for money, regardless of the reason or the person, or how little, they aren't getting it for free. A girl specifically, tiny Monica, if you're familiar with Hamilton before all the zombies, used to say she needed diapers at Kroger and would come over right before close some time. Unexpected, and guess what, she'd be often one of those getting 10 or less for FS, and you can't even buy daipers for that! Guess what, she's a * I don't care, I got the nut, and that's all they are worth. And yeah, that girl looked about 14 at the time (she was 21, knew because of jail records) and I know the guys with young girl fetishes would probably have given that chick hundreds because she looked like she did. But she always agreed to the lowball, on her! And I bet you, some guys paid up probably at her behest. (As a side note, that girl looks 40 now, saw on FB LOL).

Point is, if a female asks me for money, she better be willing to suck dick if she really wants it from me. A guy asks, sorry for his luck!

In the end, it's your money, value it how you like. IMO A girl wants my money as much as I want her to give me a pop. Back in those Hamilton days, I'd venture to say probably more. I worked for mine, and she's going to work for her disbursement of it. She's nothing to me without a hole to stick it in, and I'm nothing to her without greenbacks. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't care how much I have, I will always spend as little as possible on sex whenever I pay.

[QUOTE=DNut;3866338]I think what RogerOver is getting at (and correct me if I'm wrong) but that $5, $10, or $20 for a BJ is predatory. It's not so much a transaction as it is closer to blackmail; "suck my cock or your kid goes hungry". It may be two adults making a deal, but one is hardly in a position to be able to say, "No".

This business in which we choose to partake skirts that very fine line; cash for personal services rendered. My policy of never hooking up with someone under the influence of drugs and / or alcohol is based entirely on the girl's ability to say, "no" and fully participate in the activities. Being so desperate that $5 for a BJ is acceptable to her, to me at least, also means that the girl doesn't have the ability to say, "no". There is no consent. Just a person resigned to her fate. For that, I would just hand her some cash and send her on her way.

But that's just me.[/QUOTE]I'd have to agree with you on that.

[QUOTE=KidKuddi;3866228]Roger (bend) over calling another guy on here a piece of shit cause he get the girls to give up the pussy cheap. SHOCKER! Smh.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KidKuddi;3866231]I LOVE THIS GUY, well said my dude, and I agree with you 100%. DON'T PAY MORE if you don't have to. That simple![/QUOTE]Kid Fukki, two things:
[list][*]No way you read all that. But that's cool, I didn't either.[/list][list][*]I'm sure you like him because he uses a lot of words that don't mean anything, writes walls of text in some weird stream of unconsciousness that includes information about his girl getting fat while pregnant, doesn't kiss his kid or whatever other abnormality is floating around in there.[/list]Just stupid shit. Like you.

[QUOTE=DNut;3866338]I think what RogerOver is getting at (and correct me if I'm wrong) but that $5, $10, or $20 for a BJ is predatory. It's not so much a transaction as it is closer to blackmail; "suck my cock or your kid goes hungry". It may be two adults making a deal, but one is hardly in a position to be able to say, "No".

This business in which we choose to partake skirts that very fine line; cash for personal services rendered. My policy of never hooking up with someone under the influence of drugs and / or alcohol is based entirely on the girl's ability to say, "no" and fully participate in the activities. Being so desperate that $5 for a BJ is acceptable to her, to me at least, also means that the girl doesn't have the ability to say, "no". There is no consent. Just a person resigned to her fate. For that, I would just hand her some cash and send her on her way.

But that's just me.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what I'm getting at. I agree with you.

Alright Roger here's a tldr for you:

I'm better at this hobby than you.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy011;3866609]Then that makes you a sucker.

I (nor should you) don't give a damn about these girls.[/QUOTE]I don't care about these girls as much as I care about what it says about me. I pay for sex, but I don't take adavantage of someone for sex. A mutually beneficial transaction doesn't make me a sucker; it makes me an ethical customer.

You may think of me as a sucker for paying fair market value and not take as much advantage as I can. But I think it's the right thing to do.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3866741]That's exactly what I'm getting at. I agree with you.[/QUOTE]A choice to do what they do is one thing, but I'm not a fan of taking advantage of desperation. Feeling predatory is a perfect way to describe it. Too bad I have morals, sounds like I could have a lot more cash and fun time with the ladies like the two bragging losers. At least I can look in the mirror.

As for "Kid" saying everyone does this because they can't get it any other way, I disagree. Many of us don't pay for sex, we pay them to leave afterwards and to not have to put up with the bitching that accompanies most of the "free" sex.

[QUOTE=DNut;3866338]My policy of never hooking up with someone under the influence of drugs and / or alcohol is based entirely on the girl's ability to say, "no" and fully participate in the activities. Being so desperate that $5 for a BJ is acceptable to her, to me at least, also means that the girl doesn't have the ability to say, "no". There is no consent. Just a person resigned to her fate. For that, I would just hand her some cash and send her on her way.

But that's just me.[/QUOTE]This is a false equivalency. A person makes a series of bad choices and they find themselves in need of fast money so they do something they otherwise might not do. That shit happens in business all the time. Sometimes you have to sell at a loss to maintain cash flow, simple as that.

That is nowhere near the same as not fucking a chick that is passing out.

Guys who travel to other countries say the same shit. There are places you can get pussy for 20-30 dollars, good pussy at that. And some people pull that taking advantage crap, yet their rent is 100 bucks a month. If the chick is truly an independent provider and she will sell a service for 5 bucks there is no "taking advantage" she sets the price somebody accepts the deal. If you don't want to because it doesn't set right with you then don't do it, but if she's free to say no, and not having the money to keep the lights on doesn't qualify, nor does needing to buy some food, all the choices that led her to that spot were her choices, as well, then buy the blowjob. I fucking guarantee you if she thought she could get more she would. There is no such thing as fair market value with a non marginal product.

Somebody else's bad planning doesn't create an emergency that I need to deal with.

I want to say that on more than one occasion I have been happy to advance the price of a date to ladies I see on a regular basis that were in need of cash. I pay them now and fuck them in a couple days. This isn't about being heartless, commercial sex, like any other service is a marketplace. We don't like to talk about it like that because then the SJW's among us start jumping up and down but that's what it is. Both the buyers and the sellers are trying to make the best deal they can.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy011;3867012]Alright Roger here's a tldr for you:

I'm better at this hobby than you.[/QUOTE]Yay! You win. Not a hobby for me. Now go kiss your kid you sociopath.

[QUOTE=DNut;3867147]I don't care about these girls as much as I care about what it says about me. I pay for sex, but I don't take adavantage of someone for sex. A mutually beneficial transaction doesn't make me a sucker; it makes me an ethical customer.

You may think of me as a sucker for paying fair market value and not take as much advantage as I can. But I think it's the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]It seems everybody was getting on a fellow monger over the past few weeks because he didn't agree with the way some of people spent their money on women, isn't this the same thing. There is always a market value, the more desperate the chick general the cheaper you get the service. If I see a woman and she is what I want to do and she offers me a hummer for 10 bucks what am I supposed to say? Naw I'm a mutually beneficial transaction person I'm giving you 50 so I can pay fair market value, because I'm a very fair person that doesn't take advantage of a person that's down and out. Come on man. And as I said before it seems like you're telling people they aren't buying pussy the correct way their way is bullshit taking and they're advantage of people and your way is the best and most honorable way to buy punanny. Come on man. HL29.