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[QUOTE=RyeBread;7447510]What's actually insane is that she'd been giving us $500 for the last few weeks. Have you seen the people around that price range around here? What's also insane is the people around here talking negatively about her and making her not want to be here. She can easily make a lot more in NYC but she blessed NoVA with her presence and we ruined it for her. And those people also ruined it for us. She tried her best to make it work here but the customers here are broke customers who complain about pricing. No wonder why this area is dry and nobody wants to come here, we don't deserve them.?[/QUOTE]See her once or the throat goat three times. Not even a question for me.

[QUOTE=KOF96;7448082]DMV has multiple agencies and if it could even be characterized as dry, that is more a reflection of nationwide trends rather than proof girls actively avoid the area.[/QUOTE]I get what you mean but he is actually right.

Kstar closed down.

Dmvgirls always seems to have problems getting one girl at least to come.

Discreetstory used to have 2 at least now it more 1 at least.

Asiantopmodel used to have service queen now they got newbie girls and some from Cali (not that they bad).

Asiangem been pretty solid.

But the service queens that come to this area don't as much anymore and they stay much shorter too.

[QUOTE=RyeBread;7447510]What's actually insane is that she'd been giving us $500 for the last few weeks. Have you seen the people around that price range around here? What's also insane is the people around here talking negatively about her and making her not want to be here. She can easily make a lot more in NYC but she blessed NoVA with her presence and we ruined it for her. And those people also ruined it for us. She tried her best to make it work here but the customers here are broke customers who complain about pricing. No wonder why this area is dry and nobody wants to come here, we don't deserve them.

As for the screening process, what's wrong with sending her the same info you send all these other agencies? You've already done it before, just do it again, no need to complain about it. Why does she have to take your referrals?[/QUOTE]Why complain about her price when you already know the price and what you getting for that price. She been here before and it was same price like last time. All these girl talk to each other. So being rude doesn't help our scene. Why we rarely get any new K talent here. If you don't like the price move on. If someone post they got bffs doesn't mean you will get it. It all YMMV in the game. If you treat the girl with respect and / or a repeat regular with her. It can go a long way of getting more. That the same with you in the AMP scene too. Most independent lady don't take agency referral for a reason. If you don't want to give what she ask just move on. Wish we can get more new K girl talent in this area again.

Reading some of the reports I'm wondering if ATM moved. Can someone confirm -- not the new locations but just that they moved from the old place many of us know from K-Star or local legend that retired.

[QUOTE=Noworth;7448483]Reading some of the reports I'm wondering if ATM moved. Can someone confirm -- not the new locations but just that they moved from the old place many of us know from K-Star or local legend that retired.[/QUOTE]Correct on the move.

[QUOTE=Noworth;7448483]Reading some of the reports I'm wondering if ATM moved. Can someone confirm -- not the new locations but just that they moved from the old place many of us know from K-Star or local legend that retired.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomk2323;7448486]Correct on the move.[/QUOTE]Have not been new location yet but Heard it is in the same d s neighborhood?

[QUOTE=DMVAverageJoe;7448633]Have not been new location yet but Heard it is in the same d s neighborhood?[/QUOTE]Same location as CP.

[QUOTE=Kpop1;7448904]Same location as CP.[/QUOTE]Thanks for verification.

That is a very crowded neighborhood.

[QUOTE=KOF96;7448082]DMV has multiple agencies and if it could even be characterized as dry, that is more a reflection of nationwide trends rather than proof girls actively avoid the area.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] The girls know that Virginia is folks are not spending anymore, look at the news and the jobs lost in the government. And take a closer look, has there really been a lot of gems coming and staying here recently? Look at the other regions across the country and compare. Many have said the same.

[QUOTE=ArchieKaras;7447607]Damn that is some serious ass bullshit. Why do these chicks up the price as they get older and do more plastic surgery? WTF is that logic. She's like 33-34 now. When she was mid 20's she was 200-300 and charging 100 to get cream-pie and now a whole band just for GFE? Gtfo.

she's a good bang and I beat that pussy up good last time she worked but no way she worth 1k. could get premium pussy for that price. hopefully the regulars can talk her into grandfather price ing, will have to try that.[/QUOTE]LOL you're so funny, I don't know what to do about comments that are complete lies.

[B]The Legend of Kora[/B]
I have no horse in the race, but just want to share some general knowledge from West Coast about premium girls. I hope it gives context so people get up to speed and not "re-invent the wheel". Let's get out of the stone age on kgirl intel fast.

[QUOTE=SilverTongued8;7447388]$1 k is absolutely insane. As is the screening process. She doesn't take referrals even if you've been vetted by every agency outside of AG.[/QUOTE]

Everyone listen up, here is how referrals work. If Kora is not taking referrals, it's because those referrals will not help her screen you even if you gave them. Kora could text those referrals and will get no honest reply. She probaly already knows that for a fact. Your referrals don't want to send their best customer to a competitor. And they know you are a good customer if you can afford $1K!

The reason other agencies sometimes reply to referrals is they're friendly. The owners help each other for mutual benefit, especially if you are changing cities and they understand they're not really losing your business. Other times they get that there is a girl you want to see, and they take turns as friends. It is an alliance.

That is not the case here.

[QUOTE=RyeBread;7447510]What's actually insane is that she'd been giving us $500 for the last few weeks. Have you seen the people around that price range around here? What's also insane is the people around here talking negatively about her and making her not want to be here. She can easily make a lot more in NYC but she blessed NoVA with her presence and we ruined it for her.

As for the screening process, what's wrong with sending her the same info you send all these other agencies? You've already done it before, just do it again, no need to complain about it. Why does she have to take your referrals?[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure Kora chooses Nova for personal reasons. She might go to NYC a while to pick up on new business, especially with a larger customer base there. But she's going to be back to Nova because that's been her pattern. Same reason West Coast no longer saw Lady Ari once she went East Coast. Like animals in nature, some kgirls pick a territory.

At $1K I'm sure she will have takers. She is good. But business will eventually slow. Premium pricing works because the girl is not trying to maximize volume and total revenue. She is fine with making a bit less total money, with fewer appointments. It means she can take vacation and be back again to meet pent-up demand.

The one upside to premium pricing is the girls tend to be not overworked and fresh and in good condition. Many premium girls I've tried at $500 or $600 hr rates gave me 100%. It's a very noticeable contrast from value priced girls. I don't think most guys would consider this worth the premium, however. It is for rich guys and super fans of a girl.

Here was my review of Celine / SBC Daisy, one of the "2nd generation" premium kgirls who was 600 hr:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?30696-Asian-PLEASER-Reviews-only&p=7158966&viewfull=1#post7158966[/URL] SBC Daisy 600 hr

S-Tier looks, high service. Daisy went the premium route, which meant she wasn't super busy and gave each guy great service. Whereas, Katie K was slightly hotter but only charged 420 hr so she was fully booked morning to night, every day. It was much harder for Katie K due to the workload, but she ended up making more money too. It is a hard trade-off. Most S-Tier kgirl HYA these days are choosing the SBC Daisy route. We are currently on 4th and 5th generation premium kgirls now. I guess Kora is ushering in the final and logical conclusion.

All of this was foretold with cgirl pricing. We've had 800, 1000, 1500, and 2000 cgirls for a looooong time. Yes, the girls were in fact young and hot, and also fresh and unspoiled in attitude. We know they are overpriced, yet some of us still see them knowing that. The upper end girls might take one or two guys a day.

I felt SBC Daisy was worth about 500 hr, so she is overpriced by 20%. It's why I recommend guys go hh at Daisy for 450. Cgirls are overpriced 25% to 50% imo. But the worst value girls are always the duds. D-Tier girls who have neither looks nor service charging ~300. C-Tier girls are borderline.

[QUOTE=ArchieKaras;7447607]Damn that is some serious ass bullshit. Why do these chicks up the price as they get older and do more plastic surgery? WTF is that logic. She's like 33-34 now. When she was mid 20's she was 200-300 and charging 100 to get cream-pie and now a whole band just for GFE? Gtfo.

she's a good bang and I beat that pussy up good last time she worked but no way she worth 1k. could get premium pussy for that price. hopefully the regulars can talk her into grandfather price ing, will have to try that.[/QUOTE]

Something happened. I'm not going to go into great detail, but generally speaking girls know other girls and talk about pricing and the market. Across the coast, in other countries. Prices are shooting up in every country btw, even fucking Thailand where there is GPS now. There are actually rich Thai men flying to other countries for pussy as a result.

Someone told Kora she can charge $1K. I wonder if that is all-inclusive or what. She offered standard 100 bb West Coast but things changed after that.

[QUOTE=Tomk2323;7446938]I saw Kora and she is amazing. Nothing more can be said. Unreal looks, performance and personality. Perfection for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KylerMurray;7446776]I was begging for her to come back after her last visit. Was checking in with the booker and everything LOL. Happy that I also got the chance to see her before she recently departed. Hot session, just as good as the first time. Let me choke her a bit in mish. Insane DT skills, I'm packing pretty heavy and she can take me all the way down to the pelvis. I'm not a massive fan of rimming but its apart of her routine. Literally a fuck doll will let you do whatever to her. She's an elite talent.[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to justify her price increase, just point out that she must be doing something right as far as looks and service. Boner and other people I know who saw her long ago confirmed her as hot and good. I can only infer she is still hot and good with recent reviews. That does not necessarily mean she is worth $1K. Rather, how it works is she decides her price and people accept it or not. She probably has regulars who already agreed to it. Maybe she arrived at that particular number because that's what opened up menu options.

One time I offered a GFE only girl 200 for bb, and the next day her menu showed 200 bb. I accept all blame for opening up that girl, but in my defense I have to say UTR bb is worth more than regular bb. I never pressure girls and only ask girls I know well, so I get a low success rate. You can look at it half glass full that the girl would have been GFE only otherwise. She consulted other girls and got Doxy-PEP. So it's not something every girl is ready or willing to transition on.

We don't want to hear this, but there are definitely some people who think Kora is worth $1K. Otherwise she would not charge it. The problem is it cuts the rest of us off. The best but hardest thing everyone should do is learn not to have FOMO (fear of missing out) and just see their favorite girls. It may take you 10 or 20 years to figure this tip out, but everyone does.

[QUOTE=Rkoppa;7447755]All the negative comments about her seem kind of dumb to me.

I'm not saying don't leave negative reviews if you have a negative experience but no need to comment on it.

In terms of the leaving area because negative reviews. I know that's why Jamie doesn't come to this area that much despite her being real busy here.[/QUOTE]

This is good advice. If you got a bad session, say so. But if you don't like the price of a girl you aren't going to see, there's no point. Put that energy elsewhere.

It's natural to complain about the price, complain if you want. That won't lower the price. I do remember people complained so hard about Baby Arin raising her bb rate from 0 to 100. LA had spent months complaining about it telling her to leave. So she did! She went off and made a bunch of other cities very happy instead. LA has every right to complain if they want, but they end up getting cucked by under-served markets. Competition works both ways.

[QUOTE=SturdyBirdy;7078342]Baby Arin started in WLA at 340 all-in..Now she's in Irvine at 320 + 40 MSOG + 100 BB. I hope she sees the light and just returns to WLA.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsianAssEater;7078723]Baby Arin ruined her rep in LA. Everyone knows she was at bb special for a long time and it doesn't sit right with us that she started upcharging..Adding an upcharge removes alot of potential clients.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RockItAllNite;7088196]I don't like the upcharge any more than you do, but I would still rather have Baby Arin the HYA back in MW than in OC or touring and get stuck with minimal choices simply because they charge less.[/QUOTE]

Me? I sincerely thanked LA kicking her out of town and sending her over!

[QUOTE=Download X;7079443]Well whatever the reason thanks for sending Baby Arin south so we can see her. We will do our best to train girls on the Bona special (shower suck and bang) and send her back to LA with new skills. Every city has its charm.[/QUOTE]

This has all happened before. Be careful what you wish for.

I saw baby when she was in Jacksonville earlier this month. She is a sweet girl super young, super cute, and a lot of fun. I saw her twice while she was here. I highly recommend her if you're looking for a petite cutie with curves in all the right places. She seems a bit shy because she is somewhat new to this but be patient and treat her right and you'll enjoy yourself. She looked great and didn't even have a lot of make-up on. Just a naturally beautiful young girl.

Disclosure. I have not seen Kora. But there are likely basic economic principles behind her decision to double rates. If, at $500, she is fully booked and is refusing droves of potential customers, then an increase is smart. If, at $1 k, she is still half booked, then her income remains the same while doing half the work. If her bookings dip below half, then her income drops. At that point it would be smart for her to then reduce the price to increase bookings and at least maintain her income. The optimal price for her would be the one that keeps her fully booked, with little to no refusals.

While $1,000 per hour is indeed at the higher end relative to most agency K-girls, Camille for some time has successfully maintained $1,300 rates for a couple of years without significant pushback. At this tier, the clientele is largely price-insensitive—corporate executives, professional athletes, and similar profiles—who value discretion, presentation, and consistency over marginal savings.

So yes, $1,000+ has a clear, sustainable market among affluent regulars; it's less about the absolute amount and more about the perceived exclusivity and service level that justifies positioning above the standard agency range.

[URL]http://www.hellocamille.com/rates/[/URL]

[QUOTE=LesTosterone;7449293]Disclosure. I have not seen Kora. But there are likely basic economic principles behind her decision to double rates. If, at $500, she is fully booked and is refusing droves of potential customers, then an increase is smart. If, at $1 k, she is still half booked, then her income remains the same while doing half the work. If her bookings dip below half, then her income drops. At that point it would be smart for her to then reduce the price to increase bookings and at least maintain her income. The optimal price for her would be the one that keeps her fully booked, with little to no refusals.[/QUOTE]Or moving towards the sugar daddy model. Either way, it's interesting to watch, like a reality tv show! It's good to see that she's making her own way.