"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Tonite my little church girl was supposed to come over to get some more marathon loving. But suddenly she just flaked. No call no nothing the entire night. By 8.30 I knew she wasn't going to make it. I think this is the second time in like four months. More mysterious than anything. We had a huge night planned so even more mystifying.

Anyway my virgin was sitting here the whole time waiting as well and really had nowhere to go. I told her she could just stay here as my date really didn't care what she saw or heard us do. And only wishes she could get a piece of her too.

Since we have been slowly mending our fences since we got into a fight three weeks ago I suggested she take her place and she agreed. Afterward she told me not to get any big ideas like it might happen again before she leaves for good in a week.

I don't even care but I am hoping to get one more bite at the apple before she leaves. And either way at least now she will be leaving on good terms. We spent the whole day and night together. I am the only guy she has been with all summer, plus four girls that I know of. I her told how sweet it was, knowing that I was the only guy and how special I felt. And since she is only planning on dating girls going forward that she will always have me that way for as long as she wants. At that anytime she is back in L.A I will take care of her. She said she liked the sound of that too.

It all seemed pretty real and for now that's the way it is. When she does leave then I am going start getting back with my x. She said she would even come visit before the virgin leaves cuz she doesnt want to wait that long to see me. And doesnt mind the minor inconvenience of her not having us totally aloiine

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2588326]Tonite my little church girl was supposed to come over to get some more marathon loving. But suddenly she just flaked. No call no nothing the entire night. By 8.30 I knew she wasn't going to make it. I think this is the second time in like four months. More mysterious than anything. We had a huge night planned so even more mystifying.[/QUOTE]You're a far more forgiving soul than I, HG. If I get flaked on once, without a good reason and associated explanation for absence, it's not happening a second time -- they're out of my life, I don't care if its an SB or co-worker or whoever. Time is valuable.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2588062]I agree with everyone else, run. She has already shown signs that the performance is not going to be satisfying. That is far too much to pay in this world. There are far too many that will give you a stellar performance for 150 - 200. One rule I have is that I do not negotiate with them. It's a sign of weakness. I establish what I think a reasonable donation is for them, usually no more than 150, and stick to it. If you feel like you were buying a car, expect the same feeling as you leave the FC.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the replies. We were to meet at the FC tonight, but last night I told her the SO was giving me heat and need some time for things to settle down; next!.

Live and Learn!

"That's great! You probably know more about the city than I do. I really don't know much about the town either. I'd love to meet whenever.

You are in town. Our first meet should be for ice cream or coffee possibly a bite to eat. I like fast food so I'm not apposed to that. I am looking to save money for a car and I rent a town home for per month I have negotiable rates ranging from*1700-2300*a month. We can send videos thru glide or Skype. ".

Somebody must be spending that kind of money. I'm not even going to respond back to her.

I'm still very much a beginner at SD / SB. I've managed to make it all the way with two girls; one of whom I dropped for poor performance. She just wasnt into it. The other is working out pretty well. I see her weekly for for about 2 hrs for $200 per visit.

Now I have a new one who approached me unsolicited on SA last night. We've exchanged a bunch of texts and she wants to come to my place tomorrow at 9 am to meet. We haven't discussed terms or expectations at all yet.

I pushed back and said we needed to get some things on the table first.

Her response was "we can just meet and talk at your place and if we like each other and want to move forward while I'm there that would be fine. I'm a couple months behind on my car insurance, so some help with that would be wonderful. ".

Now I have the whole day wide open tomorrow, so plenty of time for playing.

What should be the play here? Should I let her come over and be prepared to boot her if her expectations are out of my league? Or should I tell her now, we need a starbucks M&G first?

She claims to work at the mall not too far from my house.

Also, I am having a M&G dinner with the Nursing student at 7:30. Wish me luck. Much better boundaries there.

[QUOTE=Helion;2589018]I'm still very much a beginner at SD / SB. I've managed to make it all the way with two girls; one of whom I dropped for poor performance. She just wasnt into it. The other is working out pretty well. I see her weekly for for about 2 hrs for $200 per visit.

Now I have a new one who approached me unsolicited on SA last night. We've exchanged a bunch of texts and she wants to come to my place tomorrow at 9 am to meet. We haven't discussed terms or expectations at all yet.

I pushed back and said we needed to get some things on the table first.

Her response was "we can just meet and talk at your place and if we like each other and want to move forward while I'm there that would be fine. I'm a couple months behind on my car insurance, so some help with that would be wonderful. ".

Now I have the whole day wide open tomorrow, so plenty of time for playing.

What should be the play here? Should I let her come over and be prepared to boot her if her expectations are out of my league? Or should I tell her now, we need a starbucks M&G first?

She claims to work at the mall not too far from my house.

Also, I am having a M&G dinner with the Nursing student at 7:30. Wish me luck. Much better boundaries there.[/QUOTE]I had one M&G like that as well. We ended up back at my room and still hadn't discussed allowance. I went with the flow figuring I'd just give my standard. In the middle of making out is when she brought it up. Smart girl as I ended up paying more than my usual due to the little man. It was, however, a pretty good session with a very young hottie, so I'm not complaining.

Just be aware that it's easy to let the little guy do the thinking in a situation like that, but I'd go for it.

So a petite Latina has been on my bucket list for some time. I'm overnighting next week and have been looking for someone to see instead of my regular who has a perfect body but skills that are below average.

I've been chatting up the perfect petite Latina the last few days and we seem to be hitting it off. No talk of allowance, but good texts and sexy pics.

Today I arrange to call her so I can hear her voice. I'm on google voice and she's on something else and the connection gets cut about 4 times. I'm about to give up and text again when she calls from a different number. We have a nice chat, her voice is sexy as hell, and I decide I'm going to see her instead of my regular.

So after the call I google the new number. Get a bunch of escort hits including her website. From what I can tell, she hasn't been active in escorting for almost 2 years. TheothER site has 5 reviews from 2 years ago. All stellar. My guess is she's toned it down recently to UTR to concentrate on her schooling.

So. Do I still give it a whirl, or do I go with my regular. Both is not an option due to funding and location. These decisions are so difficult.

[QUOTE=Helion;2589018]I'm still very much a beginner at SD / SB. I've managed to make it all the way with two girls; one of whom I dropped for poor performance. She just wasnt into it. The other is working out pretty well. I see her weekly for for about 2 hrs for $200 per visit.

Now I have a new one who approached me unsolicited on SA last night. We've exchanged a bunch of texts and she wants to come to my place tomorrow at 9 am to meet. We haven't discussed terms or expectations at all yet.

I pushed back and said we needed to get some things on the table first.

Her response was "we can just meet and talk at your place and if we like each other and want to move forward while I'm there that would be fine. I'm a couple months behind on my car insurance, so some help with that would be wonderful. ".

Now I have the whole day wide open tomorrow, so plenty of time for playing.

What should be the play here? Should I let her come over and be prepared to boot her if her expectations are out of my league? Or should I tell her now, we need a starbucks M&G first?

She claims to work at the mall not too far from my house.

Also, I am having a M&G dinner with the Nursing student at 7:30. Wish me luck. Much better boundaries there.[/QUOTE]Do the M&G first if that makes you more comfortable. Unless she has time constraints, I can't see how that could hurt your chances of getting her to the FC, especially if she needs the money as bad as she says she does.

[QUOTE=Helion;2589018]I'm still very much a beginner at SD / SB. I've managed to make it all the way with two girls; one of whom I dropped for poor performance. She just wasnt into it. The other is working out pretty well. I see her weekly for for about 2 hrs for $200 per visit. Now I have a new one who approached me unsolicited on SA last night. We've exchanged a bunch of texts and she wants to come to my place tomorrow at 9 am to meet. We haven't discussed terms or expectations at all yet.
[/QUOTE]If your place is your actual home where your SO lives (you had mentioned bringing some of them back to your place when she's traveling), then a resounding "nope" to this. If it's anything other than a hotel while you're out of town, then still "nope".

You won't want to bring an SB to any place that can be linked back to you while you are still married. If you've mostly been working the escort scene, the one difference you need to be aware of regarding SBs, as it applies to a married guy's situation, is that some of them are evil control freaks or blackmail artists and will use your marriage or pending divorce situation against you as leverage to get what they want. It's a level of stress you don't need. There have been a couple of members here posting in the past about SB's turned psycho, and none of it sounds like fun.

Escorts are harmless in this regard. They're a 7-11 with a long list of slurpee customers, they don't get attached to one. An SB might get emotionally or financially attached (probably both) and make you the subject of her psychological fixation. Much better if she doesn't know where you live.

This is one reason I only do hotel rooms rather than rental homes, AirBnB and the like. I'm worried a private owner with no sense of privacy laws would give out my real info if asked -- a hotel won't reveal anything unless maybe a notell motel type dump.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2589317]If your place is your actual home where your SO lives (you had mentioned bringing some of them back to your place when she's traveling), then a resounding "nope" to this. If it's anything other than a hotel while you're out of town, then still "nope".

You won't want to bring an SB to any place that can be linked back to you while you are still married. If you've mostly been working the escort scene, the one difference you need to be aware of regarding SBs, as it applies to a married guy's situation, is that some of them are evil control freaks or blackmail artists and will use your marriage or pending divorce situation against you as leverage to get what they want. It's a level of stress you don't need. There have been a couple of members here posting in the past about SB's turned psycho, and none of it sounds like fun.

Escorts are harmless in this regard. They're a 7-11 with a long list of slurpee customers, they don't get attached to one. An SB might get emotionally or financially attached (probably both) and make you the subject of her psychological fixation. Much better if she doesn't know where you live.

This is one reason I only do hotel rooms rather than rental homes, AirBnB and the like. I'm worried a private owner with no sense of privacy laws would give out my real info if asked -- a hotel won't reveal anything unless maybe a notell motel type dump.[/QUOTE]OK< I'm gong to bump her to the M&G. I am still feeling my way with the differences in Escort Vs SB. I have a good handle on the pro's but these rookies are not clear to me yet. I've got tons of hotel points so I can set something up pretty quick if we want to go to the next round tomorrow.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2589317]If your place is your actual home where your SO lives (you had mentioned bringing some of them back to your place when she's traveling), then a resounding "nope" to this. If it's anything other than a hotel while you're out of town, then still "nope".

You won't want to bring an SB to any place that can be linked back to you while you are still married. If you've mostly been working the escort scene, the one difference you need to be aware of regarding SBs, as it applies to a married guy's situation, is that some of them are evil control freaks or blackmail artists and will use your marriage or pending divorce situation against you as leverage to get what they want. It's a level of stress you don't need. There have been a couple of members here posting in the past about SB's turned psycho, and none of it sounds like fun.

Escorts are harmless in this regard. They're a 7-11 with a long list of slurpee customers, they don't get attached to one. An SB might get emotionally or financially attached (probably both) and make you the subject of her psychological fixation. Much better if she doesn't know where you live.

This is one reason I only do hotel rooms rather than rental homes, AirBnB and the like. I'm worried a private owner with no sense of privacy laws would give out my real info if asked -- a hotel won't reveal anything unless maybe a notell motel type dump.[/QUOTE]I agree with the Hotel option. I always book a suite at one of the Vegas Luxury Resorts. Even though I'm single and have a very nice house, I have not invited a single SB to stay at my home. I like having that buffer zone even with a SB that I may see several times.

I've always wanted to visit Asia, am big into Asian women. I know several people here have gone, and I've only ever been to Canada outside of the US. Would anyone be so kind to pm me some tips on where to go, save $$, and meet with some females? I'm still relatively young and decent looking, so I'd rather not pay for much if possible.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2588326]
Since we have been slowly mending our fences since we got into a fight three weeks ago I suggested she take her place and she agreed. Afterward she told me not to get any big ideas like it might happen again before she leaves for good in a week[/QUOTE]Yesterday she promised one or two more trips to the FC befor she leaves in nine days. My bikini girl came over at 9 last night and is still sleeping. No sex. No sugar so far. She wants serious guy. We talked all night, that's it. So they both slept here last nite.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2589447]I agree with the Hotel option. I always book a suite at one of the Vegas Luxury Resorts. Even though I'm single and have a very nice house, I have not invited a single SB to stay at my home. I like having that buffer zone even with a SB that I may see several times.[/QUOTE]When I was unattached, I used to bring one night stands back to my place all the time (wasn't into the SB scene at the time so these were civy pickups), and never had a problem. I'd probably consider it for SBs on a case by case basis if I wasn't in a relationship now -- I'd probably try to limit it to SBs from other cities that came to visit me.

If an SO lives in the same space and is traveling, it's too easy for an SB to leave clues (intentionally or unintentionally) that could cause problems later (and that's assuming nosy neighbors and such are a non issue). With services like [URL]trustify.com[/URL] it's pretty easy for the SO to have the place watched while she's away for future use -- and that might be a bad thing especially if she has any ownership of the property.

Thanks for the posts. I've been in the bowl for a month and found six girls that made it to FC. I just met the very first one again and the difference was night and day. The first visit was great. Lasted three or so hours for 1. 5. Today she wants 2. 5 which I declined. Settled at 2. In and out in an hour. One shot and very business like. She's a thin latina with DD's. I liked her before but guess she's off the list now. The money must have killed it. I'm just not going to pay that when plenty are good with 1-1. 5 or less.