Vietnamese Bars

Question to some of you guys:

I've been mongering for many years and travel all over the place. Unfortunately, I don't foresee getting to Honolulu soon, but I like reading many of the forums, especially threads about AMPs and such.

So what I'm wondering is what is the appeal of these Bars? I mean, I realize it's part of the scene and action can be had, but it seems like it's a lot more dicey and you can spend a lot of money and get nothing. On the other hand, it seems like you have your share of massage places that are well-reviewed and much more of a good bet.

I realize there may be an element of challenge here, too, but ... I've read several pages of the Vietnamese and Korean Bar threads and it seems like there's a lot more negative and uncertainty than positive.

Am I missing something? I'd enjoy any insights - thanks.

[QUOTE=TwistedBrother]Question to some of you guys:

I've been mongering for many years and travel all over the place. Unfortunately, I don't foresee getting to Honolulu soon, but I like reading many of the forums, especially threads about AMPs and such.

So what I'm wondering is what is the appeal of these Bars? I mean, I realize it's part of the scene and action can be had, but it seems like it's a lot more dicey and you can spend a lot of money and get nothing. On the other hand, it seems like you have your share of massage places that are well-reviewed and much more of a good bet.

I realize there may be an element of challenge here, too, but ... I've read several pages of the Vietnamese and Korean Bar threads and it seems like there's a lot more negative and uncertainty than positive.

Am I missing something? I'd enjoy any insights - thanks.[/QUOTE]
Korean and Vietnamese bars are more of a group activity that can be shared with friends. It is pretty much hanging with the boys drinking some beer and if there is a pretty girl working there, just call her over. This all stems from the Asian influence we have in our society. The first bars in the the 50s/60s were run by Japanese mamasans. In the 70s/80s, our Korean bars first popped up. In the 90s, vietnamese bars picked up steam. In the new Millenium, there are Filipino bars, Thai bars and Chinese bars.

I've been at the bars and have worked large business deals in the past. Back in the 70s/80s, many of the large development deals went down or were celebrated in hostess bars. In fact, one of the large construction companies used to have a person on staff whose sole purpose was to entertain clients at the bars! In the ensuing years (90s+), the younger crowd (21 - 30) started to go barhopping for entertainment.

[QUOTE=John Ross]Korean and Vietnamese bars are more of a group activity that can be shared with friends. It is pretty much hanging with the boys drinking some beer and if there is a pretty girl working there, just call her over. This all stems from the Asian influence we have in our society. The first bars in the the 50s/60s were run by Japanese mamasans. In the 70s/80s, our Korean bars first popped up. In the 90s, vietnamese bars picked up steam. In the new Millenium, there are Filipino bars, Thai bars and Chinese bars.

I've been at the bars and have worked large business deals in the past. Back in the 70s/80s, many of the large development deals went down or were celebrated in hostess bars. In fact, one of the large construction companies used to have a person on staff whose sole purpose was to entertain clients at the bars! In the ensuing years (90s+), the younger crowd (21 - 30) started to go barhopping for entertainment.[/QUOTE]To each goes, and how we also really use to do business also when we had clients from the US, Europe, Italy, or Asia. We always after a day of meeting with clients, dinner, then a little (as a quote a past client, "I heard about your bars, where can I get some K Tail")

We have also closed some large contracts in some of the KBs we use to go to, back in the wild wild west of the 80s & 90s. Different, but just LE more on the lookout in the New Age, where before I personally use to go w/friends (high ranking LE) use to hookup also in our pasts. Was nutz, but again, YMMV.

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So what I'm wondering is what is the appeal of these Bars? I mean, I realize it's part of the scene and action can be had, but it seems like it's a lot more dicey and you can spend a lot of money and get nothing. On the other hand, it seems like you have your share of massage places that are well-reviewed and much more of a good bet.

I realize there may be an element of challenge here, too, but ... I've read several pages of the Vietnamese and Korean Bar threads and it seems like there's a lot more negative and uncertainty than positive.

Am I missing something? I'd enjoy any insights - thanks.[/QUOTE]
In addition to the comments by John Ross, there may also be a few other factors that are worthwhile to consider. Some hostess bar customers might enjoy more of a "female companionship" experience in hostess bars (drinking, eating, conversation, singing, etc.) than in AMPs. Some hostess bar customers may feel more comfortable with bar hostesses, and think of bar hostesses as more desirable, because of their perception that bar hostesses are usually less like explicit "prostitutes" than AMP providers. It's probably easier for a customer to believe that a woman likes spending time with him when the customer is buying drinks rather than making a direct cash payment for services rendered. Also, as you mention, there is "an element of challenge" in hostess bars that isn't present in AMPs. Some guys would rather go fishing than simply buy a fish. :)

Years ago I used to frequent hostess bars, had some good times, and met several bar hostesses who eventually became girlfriends. However, as I grew older I wanted a higher probability of sexual pleasure, rather than to face any sort of a challenge and risk wasting time and money. So I became more focused on AMPs and street prostitution, which usually provide a better "bang for the buck."

[QUOTE=TwistedBrother]So what I'm wondering is what is the appeal of these Bars?[/QUOTE]
Another fact is that the girls in the bars are fashion model quality. I mean perfect 10s. A BBBJ or DATY from one of them for $$$ vs. all you can get in an AMP for $$ may be considered a better deal by some.

I'm an AMP guy myself, but definitely see the attraction and stunning beauty of the K/VB girls.

Thanks for the feedback ... I definitely "get" some of these perspectives and can see how I, too, could enjoy or at least appreciate all aspects of this scenario in certain circumstances. Interesting stuff.

[QUOTE=TwistedBrother]Question to some of you guys:

I've been mongering for many years and travel all over the place. Unfortunately, I don't foresee getting to Honolulu soon, but I like reading many of the forums, especially threads about AMPs and such.

So what I'm wondering is what is the appeal of these Bars? I mean, I realize it's part of the scene and action can be had, but it seems like it's a lot more dicey and you can spend a lot of money and get nothing. On the other hand, it seems like you have your share of massage places that are well-reviewed and much more of a good bet.

I realize there may be an element of challenge here, too, but ... I've read several pages of the Vietnamese and Korean Bar threads and it seems like there's a lot more negative and uncertainty than positive.

Am I missing something? I'd enjoy any insights - thanks.[/QUOTE]


Actually in addition to what was posted here are others. Many of the patrons of kb's/vb's are not in their 20's but older. They don't like the club scene or sports bar scene so need someplace else to relax and have a few. Unlike many places on the mainland, many of us would rather go to a kb and not worry about trying to hook up with a girl at a regular bar. To me IMHO that is a bigger crapshoot. At least at the kb's and vb's the girls working know the score so a guy can hook up with a girl for a few drinks without worrying about all the emotional crap going on at a regular bar.

As others have said, we also go to kb's to relax with friends and have a few. No need to sit with the girls, but nice to watch as some of them wear some sexy outfits.

Unlike AMP's, to get fs isn't the primary reason we go to kb's, yes it's great if that is the end result but for many of the older guys (especially over 50 or 60), to have a young girl fawn over you and spend time with you, the kb's and vb's are probably the only places where they can sit with a girl many years younger and not be out of place.

And then there is the thrill of the hunt to try to hook up with a kb or vb girl.

Besides, how many hot looking girls at pick up bars would even think about sitting with some ordinary looking or older guy.

JR and Kapalua are right on the money on this one. The hostess bar thing is much more of a group effort unlike amps. And it is more care free. Don't have to worry about time (just money and how much is she's drinking). Personally being pa'ke I would go for the amps. If you are new to the bar scene you could get stuck with the old ladies and have to stare at the hot ones at the next table thinking wtf man. Happend at "tomorrow" the bar on keamoku a few years back when i first went there. I would have to say that amps are the way to go as it is more bang for your buck, and I hate wasting money. But to each their own.

[QUOTE=Tendo]JR and Kapalua are right on the money on this one. The hostess bar thing is much more of a group effort unlike amps. And it is more care free. Don't have to worry about time (just money and how much is she's drinking). Personally being pa'ke I would go for the amps. If you are new to the bar scene you could get stuck with the old ladies and have to stare at the hot ones at the next table thinking wtf man. Happend at "tomorrow" the bar on keamoku a few years back when i first went there. I would have to say that amps are the way to go as it is more bang for your buck, and I hate wasting money. But to each their own.[/QUOTE]
You should never get stuck sitting with a girl or buying her drinks if you do not like her. Just tell her "next time" or "maybe later" in a nice way.

[QUOTE=John Ross]... In the new Millenium, there are Filipino bars, Thai bars and Chinese bars.[/QUOTE]Would you care to elaborate on the bar (s) that have predominately Thai girls?

I feel Evergreen seems to have the best mix. 1 or 2 girls circulate thru there from various non-Korean countries, but they don't seem to stick around for long. If there's a club that leans toward the Thai persuasion, I'd sure love to find it.

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Fin West]Would you care to elaborate on the bar (s) that have predominately Thai girls?

I feel Evergreen seems to have the best mix. 1 or 2 girls circulate thru there from various non-Korean countries, but they don't seem to stick around for long. If there's a club that leans toward the Thai persuasion, I'd sure love to find it.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
Kathy's Place in Kalihi, Club Bankok on Queen St and another I can't remember.

[QUOTE=Tiantain]You should never get stuck sitting with a girl or buying her drinks if you do not like her. Just tell her "next time" or "maybe later" in a nice way.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Tiantian,
Let this be a lesson to everyone. Don't make the mistakes that I did when I started. Wish I knew about this site back then.

[QUOTE=Member 69]Actually in addition to what was posted here are others. Many of the patrons of kb's/vb's are not in their 20's but older. They don't like the club scene or sports bar scene so need someplace else to relax and have a few. Unlike many places on the mainland, many of us would rather go to a kb and not worry about trying to hook up with a girl at a regular bar. To me IMHO that is a bigger crapshoot. At least at the kb's and vb's the girls working know the score so a guy can hook up with a girl for a few drinks without worrying about all the emotional crap going on at a regular bar.

As others have said, we also go to kb's to relax with friends and have a few. No need to sit with the girls, but nice to watch as some of them wear some sexy outfits.

Unlike AMP's, to get fs isn't the primary reason we go to kb's, yes it's great if that is the end result but for many of the older guys (especially over 50 or 60), to have a young girl fawn over you and spend time with you, the kb's and vb's are probably the only places where they can sit with a girl many years younger and not be out of place.

And then there is the thrill of the hunt to try to hook up with a kb or vb girl.

Besides, how many hot looking girls at pick up bars would even think about sitting with some ordinary looking or older guy.[/QUOTE]True, there are lots of eye candy to be seen, but I've met a lot of old timers who go to the bars to eat and drink for free...some of them are retired carpenters or electricians who fix things that get broken...some are fishermen who bring fish, crab, seaweed, tako, etc...some guys bring the beer from the storage into the coolers... some of these girls like having "non-customers" around for safety and/or conversation during the slow times.

[QUOTE=John Ross]Kathy's Place in Kalihi,[/QUOTE]Where in kalihi is this place and are they nice looking chicks working.

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Where in kalihi is this place and are they nice looking chicks working.[/QUOTE]
Haven't been inside Kathy's Place, but it's located at 1336 Dillingham Boulevard, slightly southeast of the Waiakamilo Road intersection.