Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

Doesn't really matter what others pay or are asked to pay. What matters is what you are comfortable with paying for whatever you are seeking. And if the ROI was worth it. Everyone has their own prespective.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;3827943]I tried to start a discussion about pricing in the Octagon, but it barely went anywhere. Why do you think Thalia charges too much? What do you think are reasonable rates?

For example, I used to pay Rene. 6 for QV. I thought that seemed reasonable. She's not GFE, no kissing, CBJ, CFS. I couldn't figure out how to spend more time with her since her menu is so limited. But she was my first, and for a long time she seemed special to me for that reason. She told me she was retiring, so I went to see her one last time. She got a bit of an attitude. I guess she'd seen my reviews of Thalia on here, and she said she wasn't charging me enough. (I think maybe. 6 was actually too generous.) But there is a HUGE difference between Rene's service and Thalia's. Rene is like a McDouble, and Thalia is like Terry's Turf Club. LOL.

When I met Diamond, she charged more than Rene. She's way hotter than Rene, and she let me kiss her.

Then when I met Thalia, she seemed on another level with regards to customer service. I'm curious what other guys think is reasonable for what kind of service.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FMichaels4533;3827976]I've seen her six times and communications is my only critique. It is hot and cold. Luckily I'm in her area and don't t waste time if she goes silent. It has happened twice in seven times. Once never heard back at arrival and once delayed but connected eventually. She is so much fun to be with I accept it as a minor inconvenience.[/QUOTE]You know? I probably would give little to no fucks if it wasn't 40 minutes for me. Like 5-10 minutes? Shit you go silent on me I wouldn't even have to leave or waste any time whatsoever. But consistently wasting several hours is, well, you know, of all the things that could be done- time wasted is my biggest concern. It's really the only thing that gets to me, at work, off of work, with a woman, especially if its completely avoidable. I probably take it waaaay to personally, whatever. Honestly its worth a visit but I should probably learn to keep expectations way lower, I just do not enjoy "shopping around", it's not my style whatsoever, but I guess I need to have at least 2-3 consistent for situations like this. Take the shit I said with a grain of salt, the communication is awful, but is also spot on occasionally like previous said. I don't really think I've enjoyed myself more out there though than with this one (Shev), so I'm sure most normal people would just accept it for what it is. Good luck out there folks.

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;3828100]Doesn't really matter what others pay or are asked to pay. What matters is what you are comfortable with paying for whatever you are seeking. And if the ROI was worth it. Everyone has their own prespective.[/QUOTE]I agree. I think its funny when I see someone on here proposing to boycott a provider because she wants "too much" or that those that pay are just encouraging others to raise their rates. I have posted on here that I thought someone was asking too much. That is, more than what I thought I would give for that provider, or had in the past. But I have also said that if that provider is now getting the higher rate, then good for them. The provider has their rates. If they get enough business to satisfy their needs at their rate, then their rate is just right. If they don't then they, and only they, can decide if their rate is too high. A providers rate is only relevant to an individual monger that is either willing or not willing to pay that rate. You can say that in your opinion, for you, that providers rate is too high. We have no right to dictate in blanket statement that a provider is asking too much. I see some providers on here I would never pay what they are getting from other mongers and those mongers say they are worth it. Then the provider is worth it. To them. A providers rates are their decision and theirs alone. We have to option to pay or not pay. That's it.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;3827943]I tried to start a discussion about pricing in the Octagon, but it barely went anywhere. Why do you think Thalia charges too much? What do you think are reasonable rates?

For example, I used to pay Rene. 6 for QV. I thought that seemed reasonable. She's not GFE, no kissing, CBJ, CFS. I couldn't figure out how to spend more time with her since her menu is so limited. But she was my first, and for a long time she seemed special to me for that reason. She told me she was retiring, so I went to see her one last time. She got a bit of an attitude. I guess she'd seen my reviews of Thalia on here, and she said she wasn't charging me enough. (I think maybe. 6 was actually too generous.) But there is a HUGE difference between Rene's service and Thalia's. Rene is like a McDouble, and Thalia is like Terry's Turf Club. LOL.

When I met Diamond, she charged more than Rene. She's way hotter than Rene, and she let me kiss her.

Then when I met Thalia, she seemed on another level with regards to customer service. I'm curious what other guys think is reasonable for what kind of service.[/QUOTE]She told me there was no qv I paid 100 for covered BJ and cfs which I didn't even get off. I never saw Renee again. QV should be. 60 or less. Anything over 15-20 min is a waste for me I can't and don't do multiple pops and I can take care of my business in that time frame. These girls say 1 hour msog and they know most guys can't bust more than 1 time in an hour. As far as customer service blow me bang me and let me play for 20 minutes and I'll think that's great customer service. These girls should be rich by now I'd love to make 60 - 100 dollars per hour at my job. HL29.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;3827943]I tried to start a discussion about pricing in the Octagon, but it barely went anywhere. Why do you think Thalia charges too much? What do you think are reasonable rates?

For example, I used to pay Rene. 6 for QV. I thought that seemed reasonable. She's not GFE, no kissing, CBJ, CFS. I couldn't figure out how to spend more time with her since her menu is so limited. But she was my first, and for a long time she seemed special to me for that reason. She told me she was retiring, so I went to see her one last time. She got a bit of an attitude. I guess she'd seen my reviews of Thalia on here, and she said she wasn't charging me enough. (I think maybe. 6 was actually too generous.) But there is a HUGE difference between Rene's service and Thalia's. Rene is like a McDouble, and Thalia is like Terry's Turf Club. LOL.

When I met Diamond, she charged more than Rene. She's way hotter than Rene, and she let me kiss her.

Then when I met Thalia, she seemed on another level with regards to customer service. I'm curious what other guys think is reasonable for what kind of service.[/QUOTE]What a comparison. LOL I always say if a provider can make you feel like you belong to her or like she really cares regardless of any other factors she's a keeper! With that being said As luvblk stated Thalia's "customer service" "people skills" whatever you want to call it is 100% better than most. She's always had a yes attitude and has a pretty open menu that plus her personality in my opinion is worth everything but to each it's own more Thalia for me!!

[B] "A kind word goes a long way"[/B]

In all my travails with sex workers, only one sent me a text right after the deed. It seemed kind, polite, and it actually made me feel like a real person (and not a creep). I had just started up my car when I look down and saw, "Rodney, thank you for today. It was a lot of fun and you are a kind man!" Bullshit? Of course! Did she send the same message to all her clients? Betcha she did! I saw her often after that. She just made me feet good. If you send a text immediately following your appointment, you seem to have no hidden agenda, and to many, this reeks of sincerity!

[QUOTE=WillieWanka;3828279]What a comparison. LOL I always say if a provider can make you feel like you belong to her or like she really cares regardless of any other factors she's a keeper! With that being said As luvblk stated Thalia's "customer service" "people skills" whatever you want to call it is 100% better than most. She's always had a yes attitude and has a pretty open menu that plus her personality in my opinion is worth everything but to each it's own more Thalia for me!![/QUOTE]Yeah, I guess using "meat" as a comparison might be offensive. Not what I meant! LOL. So I'm sorry if Thalia is reading. If I had met her instead of Rene, my time in the hobby would be so much better!

I may have touched on pricing, but I have different scales, for different types of providers and reasons I see or don't see them.

I have only used an advertiser once, and I wrote about it, got her for a nice BBBJ for. 40 the first time, and kind of figured she may not be the normal 'advertiser' types during that visit. Got a return visit for. 15.

I don't particularly care for advertiser types because of many stories here, and it seems that games happen more frequently, and bait and switch is also a thing. It also seems that unenthusiastic performances, time robbing, non-performing, and shit attitudes permeate advertiser types. And the fact that many seem to want everything covered. I understand CFS, but not CBJ. That's something coming from me, because literally all I want is a BBBJ and FS; no kissing, hugging, snuggling, GFE, or pleasuring her. I don't even like fake sex noises. Light conversation is as much as I really can even stand and that's if it happens naturally. So IMO, what they think they are providing by offering 'companionship' is lost on me.

I would pay them more than a SW if they look better than a typical SW, and have a good incall, but not 3-6 X what a SW want. This is past the golden age, and golden age or not. 20 on the street and 30 if she has a place to go to is my max. And that's higher than when I lived in Hamilton by a main drag, and could look out the door, see a fresh looking 19 year old, beckon her, and start a long term thing that usually ending with her bothering me almost daily to make money, and agreeing to like 10 for whatever and at the time it was BBBJ and BBFS all day. Now days A provider that at least looks like I would date her if she wasn't a hooker, could be worth 1. 5,2 x what an average SW is worth to me.

But that said, I don't NEED the services of any girl. I will go for as cheap as they will do it, and yes, every time, I will do it for less and less if possible, and they have worked for less and less without fail.

There was a post I made about how cheap I got those nice young girls in Hamilton for super cheap before the heroin thing. Some guy got on his soapbox about how he could afford to pay more, when that wasn't the point. If you will give a girl $100 for a CBJ, that will be the same girl that would give me BBBJ and FS for $20 while saying "I usually get like $100 for this. " Right after the tip slides in. Yeah. From someone that isn't me. I mean I got a rare find in UPH the other day that I wrote about, she said the same thing. Another factor. Alot of these girls would probably fuck me anyway of we met in other circumstances. I'm sure they would be more likely to stick to those normal rates if I looked like I 'needed' to monger. Not saying I'm the best but when you hook, you're usually doing stuff to / with people that nobody wants to touch, so those of us are probably a breath of fresh air.

The only time I approach close to advertiser prices are with AMP's because there is a 40-60 door charge that adds to whatever you do with the girl. I don't know if it's any better deal per se than advertiser girls, but at least I have gotten everything BB with AMP ladies, and there is none of the attitude or 'I don't want to be here' type of feeling, that I hear a lot of people write about with incall / outcall girls. Also if there wasnt a house fee, it'd be a better deal easily.

[QUOTE=SadSack;3827913]Stange, I must have missed the review (s) that you posted about all the times you were with her daughter.[/QUOTE]It's not strange, because I never wrote them. I don't sit here on this board and write a review ON EVERY GIRL I GO AND FUCK. But I will tell you this, I am a senior member on here and I have seen a ton over the last 4 years in the ciny area and I KNOW ALOT OF THEM personally or on a more personal level then most. And so do a lot of my close friends. So if and when I choose to write one, or if I choose to comment on someone elses post about a girl (which I do a lot) you can bet I know what I'm talking about and it's true. Although there is a lot of EGOS, WHITE KNIGHTS, CAPTAIN SAVE A HOES, AND SMUG / SARCASTIC fools on here that don't even deserve the info I may choose to share. The will dispute it, or say its a lie etc, cause 1) they fell in love 2) just don't want to believe it. I laugh at this, cause I could care less what a bunch of middle aged men think about my post for real. Some of ya'll don't even deserve ANY info I may choose to share on a girl, and I should just let you go in blind and and waste your money and find out all the CONS of seeing them for yourself I can only serve the cups of water. .. I damn sure can't make ya'll drink!

[QUOTE=ThatGuy011;3828728]

There was a post I made about how cheap I got those nice young girls in Hamilton for super cheap before the heroin thing. Some guy got on his soapbox about how he could afford to pay more, when that wasn't the point. If you will give a girl $100 for a CBJ, that will be the same girl that would give me BBBJ and FS for $20 while saying "I usually get like $100 for this. " Right after the tip slides in. Yeah. From someone that isn't me. I mean I got a rare find in UPH the other day that I wrote about, she said the same thing. Another factor. Alot of these girls would probably fuck me anyway of we met in other circumstances. I'm sure they would be more likely to stick to those normal rates if I looked like I 'needed' to monger. Not saying I'm the best but when you hook, you're usually doing stuff to / with people that nobody wants to touch, so those of us are probably a breath of fresh air.[/QUOTE]Post redacted due to overwhelming sense of #imbetterthanallofyou. Tl; dr.

In a nutshell "I'm a good looking guy who knows how to talk to women so I don't need to pay like all you disgusting fat ugly short dicked mf'ers who don't know how to talk to a rock much less a woman. ".

My thoughts? Don't be ThatGuy.

Okay so we got shut down for a little while But now Holy Shit. I call and texted 9 of them. Three txted back. Not bad HUH! $$ do they think there puss is made of gold. Just average girls what the fuck happened. Girls lets get real! Lenny67460.

[QUOTE=KidKuddi;3829014]It's not strange, because I never wrote them. I don't sit here on this board and write a review ON EVERY GIRL I GO AND FUCK. But I will tell you this, I am a senior member on here and I have seen a ton over the last 4 years in the ciny area and I KNOW ALOT OF THEM personally or on a more personal level then most. And so do a lot of my close friends. So if and when I choose to write one, or if I choose to comment on someone elses post about a girl (which I do a lot) you can bet I know what I'm talking about and it's true. Although there is a lot of EGOS, WHITE KNIGHTS, CAPTAIN SAVE A HOES, AND SMUG / SARCASTIC fools on here that don't even deserve the info I may choose to share. The will dispute it, or say its a lie etc, cause 1) they fell in love 2) just don't want to believe it. I laugh at this, cause I could care less what a bunch of middle aged men think about my post for real. Some of ya'll don't even deserve ANY info I may choose to share on a girl, and I should just let you go in blind and and waste your money and find out all the CONS of seeing them for yourself I can only serve the cups of water. .. I damn sure can't make ya'll drink![/QUOTE]Uh, that was kinda my point. I see a hole bunch of questions and not much info, or maybe I'm missing that too! But that's's what this forum is about, guys like you asking a bunch of questions from guys who have spent the money to find the answers. Thats fine, just don't brag about ALL the valuable info guys can learn from you. While you are a senior with a lot of posts, I don't see very many reviews.

[QUOTE=Neostud;3829024]Post redacted due to overwhelming sense of #imbetterthanallofyou. Tl; dr.

In a nutshell "I'm a good looking guy who knows how to talk to women so I don't need to pay like all you disgusting fat ugly short dicked mf'ers who don't know how to talk to a rock much less a woman. ".

My thoughts? Don't be ThatGuy.[/QUOTE]Dude I'm with you 100 percent, I can't believe some of the rates these dudes are paying. NOT ME, I'm FUCKING THE SAME PROVIDERS THESE DUDES ARE AND MORE AND PAYING WAY LESS. I'm also not and old fat slob and I have a more then average monster in my pants. I could tell you stories with rates and services that would blow ppls minds, some would say I was lying but fuck would I care. THE WOMEN I'm TALKING about KNOW THE TRUTH!

[QUOTE=KidKuddi;3829473]Dude I'm with you 100 percent, I can't believe some of the rates these dudes are paying. NOT ME, I'm FUCKING THE SAME PROVIDERS THESE DUDES ARE AND MORE AND PAYING WAY LESS. I'm also not and old fat slob and I have a more then average monster in my pants. I could tell you stories with rates and services that would blow ppls minds, some would say I was lying but fuck would I care. THE WOMEN I'm TALKING about KNOW THE TRUTH![/QUOTE]Wow what a burden it must be being a handsome, built, hung young guy such as yourself. That has to pay for sex.

[QUOTE=KidKuddi;3829014]It's not strange, because I never wrote them. I don't sit here on this board and write a review ON EVERY GIRL I GO AND FUCK. But I will tell you this, I am a senior member on here and I have seen a ton over the last 4 years in the ciny area and I KNOW ALOT OF THEM personally or on a more personal level then most. And so do a lot of my close friends. So if and when I choose to write one, or if I choose to comment on someone elses post about a girl (which I do a lot) you can bet I know what I'm talking about and it's true. Although there is a lot of EGOS, WHITE KNIGHTS, CAPTAIN SAVE A HOES, AND SMUG / SARCASTIC fools on here that don't even deserve the info I may choose to share. The will dispute it, or say its a lie etc, cause 1) they fell in love 2) just don't want to believe it. I laugh at this, cause I could care less what a bunch of middle aged men think about my post for real. Some of ya'll don't even deserve ANY info I may choose to share on a girl, and I should just let you go in blind and and waste your money and find out all the CONS of seeing them for yourself I can only serve the cups of water. .. I damn sure can't make ya'll drink![/QUOTE]These are the same guys that accused me of lying about getting FS at an AMP because they couldn't do it, and couldn't believe that someone else could.

[QUOTE=KidKuddi;3829473]Dude I'm with you 100 percent, I can't believe some of the rates these dudes are paying. NOT ME, I'm FUCKING THE SAME PROVIDERS THESE DUDES ARE AND MORE AND PAYING WAY LESS. I'm also not and old fat slob and I have a more then average monster in my pants. I could tell you stories with rates and services that would blow ppls minds, some would say I was lying but fuck would I care. THE WOMEN I'm TALKING about KNOW THE TRUTH![/QUOTE]I assume that you meant me. It seems we are on the same page.

[QUOTE=Neostud;3829024]Post redacted due to overwhelming sense of #imbetterthanallofyou. Tl; dr.

In a nutshell "I'm a good looking guy who knows how to talk to women so I don't need to pay like all you disgusting fat ugly short dicked mf'ers who don't know how to talk to a rock much less a woman. ".

My thoughts? Don't be ThatGuy.[/QUOTE]Funny how you feel that coming from my post. The point is how much I am or won't pay for whatever service. Maybe that has a factor in how much I have to pay, but it's not all. Providers have an arbitrary value to me, which isn't what they want for services, nor what anyone else gives them. And if ANY monger despite looks, age, ect. Has had a situation PERIOD where they had easy full menu for a super cheap with girls that look good, you can bet your valuation of providers in general is going to go down as well. They aren't worth less to me because I look 'un-mongerlike', they are worth less to me because I have had them for little.

The best looking advertiser provider has a girl that looks just as good that will do what she won't and for less.

I'm sure some of the top reviewed providers don't care what I look like, and will want what they have been getting from anyone else. I ask myself. Have I have had FS by a girl that looks as good or better for than said provider for $20? If the answer is 'yes' then that provider isn't worth much more than that to me. But sure, some more recent posting expriences have left me a wee bit cynical.

Oh, and being ThatGuy means you get FS at AMPs when everyone else is crying that they can't, and you're getting FS at a fraction of what some pay the same ladies just to touch their wiener. Sounds good to me!