anyone paying more than $20-30 for a BJ in the Dot, Roxbury or Chelsea is crazy. I ALWAYS get it for $20. C-Town? $35-40 but the ocassional $20-25 SW is out there.
Remember Senior Citizen!
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anyone paying more than $20-30 for a BJ in the Dot, Roxbury or Chelsea is crazy. I ALWAYS get it for $20. C-Town? $35-40 but the ocassional $20-25 SW is out there.
Remember Senior Citizen!
[QUOTE=Jstyre]I think my calibration is off in here. I keep seeing mention of services for .20, but I haven't run into anything lower than .60 since I was out in worcester 15 years ago. am I missing something, or just having a 10 year string of bad luck in boston?[/QUOTE]
Roxbury, Dorchester & Mattapan- $15-$30
Chinatown-$30-40
Chelsea-$20-30
All this can be done if you just stand your ground and know how to play the game.
Remember Senior Citizen excatly!!!
If by crazy, you mean [i]drives right by the crack hos' you guys must be bangin'[/i], then call me crazy;)
[QUOTE=Boston Monger]Remember Senior Citizen![/QUOTE]
What does that mean?
[QUOTE=WebDog]What does that mean?[/QUOTE]
Senior Citizen was a fellow/legendary monger amongst us who passed away sometime ago. He would usually get dates on the fly for a bargain hence his name. His old archives are in the USG (bottom right-hand corner). A great read if you have sometime. I still miss him.
Negotiation starts before you pick them up. You've got to know your limitations. If you overreach, you have to expect to pay more. If I'm on BHA, I know I am paying less than CT. If you know the track, it's eaiser to price them out before you pick them up. I haven't seen any new talent in months. It's the new talent we have to set the price. Regular mongers and regular SWs have this figured out. It's the newbies that have to be broken in to the routine.
I've been taking a break from the hobby/habit, but I took a spin in town last night, first time in four-five weeks.
Heading in on Dot. Ave, I passed a young brunette I had met several times in September. Last time we talked on the phone she was planning to get onto CL and off the street. But she had been very hard to understand, I thought she was on something bad, so I had deleted her number. I was sad to see her, again, at the same location as my first pickup.
Turning into the CT area, I immediately passed another young brunette I had picked up in September, on that same block. She too had said she was turning to CL to get off the street. Surprisingly she still looked pretty good, dressed like a young office girl headed home. I wondered if Kikyo had ever got to pick her up. I felt bad for her and avoided her look.
Passing the bus stop I saw a cute new face, a young blonde girl-next-door. She jumped in and we headed into the South End. Without even a "are you a cop... ", she offerred a service and asked for $60. After walking her through a mutual "are you a cop", I offered $30, she responded $50 and asked for a ride to Mass. Ave. We talked as I drove. She confirmed she was new to SW and from a familar Boston neighborhood. She said she was 24. Maybe, maybe not, I worried whether she was even 21. Eventually she asked for the $30, said she needed that much, and was in a hurry. As we parked on a dark side street I asked what her habit was. She said she inhaled heroin. From the lights of a passing car, I saw she had beautiful brown eyes, and a bruise on her forehead. She said someone had hit her. When I asked if he hit her often, she said yes. I told her I knew a place that would take in abused women with a habit, she said she already knew those places, and asked again about the $30. Starting the car, I gave her the money and dropped her on Mass. Ave. Saying she'd be back in a minute, she asked if I would wait for her. I said I would be happy to drive her to a shelter, or to the old neighborhood, or anywhere but she had to skip the drugs. She gave me her number, promised to make it worth my time, then confirmed my expectation that the phone was out of minutes. She hurried up the stairs.
Feeling a little shaky and very depressed, I headed out of town.
[QUOTE=Stan Daround]Negotiation starts before you pick them up[/QUOTE]
Not sure if you mean that figuratively or not, but [b]never[/b] negotiate outside of the car (i.e., talking to her on the street; through the window, etc.)
This has been covered many times, but to be clear, this is an extremely common rookie mistake (I made many times myself) and a sure way to get busted.
When picking up, don't slow down, check things out, talk, etc. Just pull right up as if you're picking up your wife or girlfriend. Without hesitation just act exactly as you were picking your S.O. on a pre-arranged appointment.
If she is working she'll hop right in too. She will know you're a pro and you will have better leverage that way. If she hesitates -- drive on.
You know what it looks like when a typical "john" solicits a hooker, and you know what it looks like when someone is picking up someone he knows. Look like the latter.
People pick up their wives, daughters, girlfriends, roommates everyday -- no one cares and no one complains. When guys act like typical "johns" then it becomes obvious and cops get called. Be a Mongerer -- don't be a John.
Good advice webdog. Sad story HotCat. But what good does asking if she's a cop do? Cops aren't loaded with truth serum so that they can't lie, and they aren't prohibited from lying. How far would ANY undercover operation get if cops were required to reveal they were cops if asked? We'd be overrun with drug dealers, mobsters, terrorists, and gangbangers if that was the case. When people post that they 'did the cop check', I assumed that it was something more sophisticated than 'Are you a cop?'
I have looked and looked and never saw her again.
[QUOTE=Hot Cat]Turning into the CT area, I immediately passed another young brunette I had picked up in September, on that same block. She too had said she was turning to CL to get off the street. Surprisingly she still looked pretty good, dressed like a young office girl headed home. I wondered if Kikyo had ever got to pick her up. I felt bad for her and avoided her look.
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Sometimes if a SW is being picky then I will get out and walk up to them and say hello. If they are still hesitant I them if they need a rider or ask them if they want to go. I only get out as a last resort, because some SW's get irritated by this.
[QUOTE=Hizark21]Sometimes if a SW is being picky then I will get out and walk up to them and say hello. If they are still hesitant I them if they need a rider or ask them if they want to go. I only get out as a last resort, because some SW's get irritated by this.[/QUOTE]Hizark, dude WTF?! -- you're the everywhere man, lol!
That is not a bad approach per se and I have employed it myself when I really wanted a SW and she wasn't cooperating. But somethings to consider (and I post then for the rookies' benefit foremost):
#1 - if it is decoy then you are still on her turf and no doubt they are recording every word you say; you can still be arrested for solicitation that way. In contrast, however, if she gets in and you ride for a block or two just exchanging pleasantries, you have not put yourself in jeopardy and have eliminated the possibility she is a decoy; if she was then you would have been pulled over (without having incriminated yourself) or she wouldn't get in to begin with.
#2 - in Boston the places you will find SW are places you do not want to walk around by yourself. I have done the park-and-walk thing in safer neighborhoods, but you never know when there is a pimp hanging just out of sight.
#3 - you have the most leverage for negotiations when you're in your car. If your goal is to negotiate, the car is the place to be -- you're on your turf but you have established you're serious so she knows she's not fucking around with some window shopper (which is probably 9 out of 10 of the guys she talks to).
Lastly, if you do as I suggest and pull up without hesitation just like you're picking anybody up -- that is the least conspicuous thing you can do. If she doesn't immediately get in, then wave her off "Sorry, thought you were somebody else..."
If she doesn't immediately play along, then you should move along. Either she's a cop, she's tweaking (or just plain nuts), she's apprehensive and won't provide good service -- there are enough reasons to move on.
[QUOTE=Savior Faire]. But what good does asking if she's a cop do? Cops aren't loaded with truth serum so that they can't lie, and they aren't prohibited from lying. How far would ANY undercover operation get if cops were required to reveal they were cops if asked? . When people post that they 'did the cop check', I assumed that it was something more sophisticated than 'Are you a cop? '[/QUOTE]The cop check refers to a ritual routine used by many SWs to determine whether they have gotten into a car with an undercover cop. If you say you are not a cop, they say prove it. Expecting you to fondle their privates. They think a cop will not touch them. I am not sure thus is true as in a recent newspaper article on the last Brockton SW sting, the officer stated he responded to the routine by touching the girl as requested, then arrested her when she quoted. In another version of the routine, which I think is more valid, the SW will require that you expose yourself, and she may fondle you.
The truth is I now find this little routine to be a nice icebreaker as it permits some immediate mutual grouping, sort of a get-to-know you, before you are committed.
As far as "who's a cop. ", my practice with a new face is to never, never be the first to mention a sex act or a dollar amount. The most experienced SWs will do the same, leading to an interesting dance of nods and winks when you face off with such. In a few cases, I have gotten serviced and paid without either of us mentioning act/money, although after a girl has ridden a mile or two in your car you could let your guard down, but its a bit of a game to see how it plays out.
Got out and walked around CT during the summer rather driving around the block 9 million times. Sought out the product and finally got back into the car and made my choice then. Why get any more attention than necessary. Just my .02
[QUOTE=Jstyre]I think my calibration is off in here. I keep seeing mention of services for .20, but I haven't run into anything lower than .60 since I was out in worcester 15 years ago. am I missing something, or just having a 10 year string of bad luck in boston?[/QUOTE]They'll ask for .40 or .60, and tell you that's what they usually get. Maybe it's true, maybe not... But 90% of the time they'll take less if you tell them that's all you have. Especially if the weather is bad, there's lots of LE around, and/or there isn't much traffic. Almost all of them will take .20 or .30 if you offer it. But you need to stay firm. If they say no, or try to convince you to go to an ATM for more, just offer to drop them off and turn around before they have a chance to say anything. When they see you're serious about dropping them, they often will give in and take what you're offering.