Rants, Raves, and Stupid Tinfoil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Bullshit

[QUOTE=Sgiii;3406507]She's going to leave the business within the next 3 months. We'll see how things develop with a relationship once she settles in.[/QUOTE]Be a savior. Have done it several times and it is a fool's errand. You can't fix broken, and rest assured, any girl who works in this business to ANY degree is broken to a degree. Go ahead, make yourself feel better. You will see how it turns out. The ending is always the same. Disaster. Just how big of a disaster you need to prepare for is the great unknown.

Pluck your pay for sex escapades and romantic escapades from completely different ponds, else pay the price. And you will, whether you eventually admit it to the forum or not (or whether you even live to tell about it).

Don't be "that" lonely old guy.

[QUOTE=Amateur11;3407024]Be a savior. Have done it several times and it is a fool's errand. You can't fix broken, and rest assured, any girl who works in this business to ANY degree is broken to a degree. Go ahead, make yourself feel better. You will see how it turns out. The ending is always the same. Disaster. Just how big of a disaster you need to prepare for is the great unknown.

Pluck your pay for sex escapades and romantic escapades from completely different ponds, else pay the price. And you will, whether you eventually admit it to the forum or not (or whether you even live to tell about it).

Don't be "that" lonely old guy.[/QUOTE]While I'll agree with your points about being a "savior" I will have to disagree about every woman in this business being "broken" to the point of not being able to have a happy, healthy relationship. Perhaps not with someone who frequents providers but with someone who would fit into their social circle. One could argue that mongers would actually have a tougher time with relationships (and staying monogamous) because they are used to paying for who ever they want to have sex with them whereas most providers would be happy to only be with one person.

[QUOTE=Tabor;3406911]You appear to be a very active member of this board. Do you plan to contioftenbeitherisiting sex providers or you ready to go cold turkey. This is an addiction to some. Not saying you. But some.[/QUOTE]I actually just follow more than anything. I've seen maybe 5 providers. Can't afford to do it often either.

Of course generalizations can be right almost all of the time, but are usually defined by exceptions as well. As best as I know, most of the women in the biz have some kind of issue going on. Ranging from disasters like addiction to lesser things like minor personality disorders. I also know and have known some exceptions to the "broken rule" (again, as best as I can tell). Women who use P2 P as a means to an end, be it a financial goal (such as a college degree) or some personal thing. Any profession has a range of people involved in it, perhaps this one has a wider range than most. However, imagine a future USA in which the world's oldest profession is completely legal, suitably taxed and regulated for health, and is accepted by society as just another service business (albeit more intimate than most services). I think that would change things pretty dramatically. Won't happen in my lifetime, but I hope someday.

[QUOTE=Amateur11;3407024]Be a savior. Have done it several times and it is a fool's errand. You can't fix broken, and rest assured, any girl who works in this business to ANY degree is broken to a degree. Go ahead, make yourself feel better. You will see how it turns out. The ending is always the same. Disaster. Just how big of a disaster you need to prepare for is the great unknown.

Pluck your pay for sex escapades and romantic escapades from completely different ponds, else pay the price. And you will, whether you eventually admit it to the forum or not (or whether you even live to tell about it).

Don't be "that" lonely old guy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BreannaBreeze;3407182]While I'll agree with your points about being a "savior" I will have to disagree about every woman in this business being "broken" to the point of not being able to have a happy, healthy relationship. Perhaps not with someone who frequents providers but with someone who would fit into their social circle. One could argue that mongers would actually have a tougher time with relationships (and staying monogamous) because they are used to paying for who ever they want to have sex with them whereas most providers would be happy to only be with one person.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sgiii;3406146]Has anyone ever met a provider and ended up becoming true friends, where the provider ended up leaving the life and started a normal job and even dated her like a true boyfriend / girlfriend type?

I am in close to a situation like that now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XHippie;3406225]BUT it's like I said if the two REALLY connect on a level above all the sex etc. That's different. Sexual attraction is great but human attraction is something special, we all know when it's real you can feel it, It's what keeps us awake at night staring at the ceiling thinking about someone (oop's Freudian Slip). However I will say if she remained in the business of seeing others for cash and tries to hold a relationship, that's kinda like swimming up stream with a cinder block tied to your foot. But if she's getting out of the business and YOU yes YOU quit fucking other girls, you are one step closer to getting a mini van together which there is abosolutly nothing wrong with. We all need some love in our life.[/QUOTE]XHippie is on point when he says, "If two REALLY connect on a level above all the sex. " and "Sexual attraction is great but human attraction is something special. " Everybody does need some love in life. My definition is; a person who you can't live without, a person who you are willing to change for the better, a person who you care about above yourself and a person who, if necessary, you are willing to die for. Love can be a feeling, but its more of a commitment. A conscious decision to do your best regardless of how you feel. It can work if both want it to work. When you like someone and there is an attraction and you enjoy their company because of genuine friendship; then the relationship and the sex will take care of itself because the focus will be on making them happy which in turn makes you happy and satisfied.

Anyone can change if they have the motivation to change. Trust will be the biggest issue in this relationship because of the past sex with different people. There can be no secrets about the past or in the future. Everything has to be open and honest. Passwords are known by both and everything is shared. No disappearing for two hours because the one half will wonder if the other half is having a quick rendezvous with the opposite sex. It's human nature to think the worst and never forget the bad so a conscious effort will be always be needed to remove any doubts. Real love forgives and forgets the wrong and only remembers the good. Real love believes and hopes and never quits giving regardless of how you feel. The problem is most people are selfish and protect themselves because we are afraid of being hurt. We are afraid that we are inadequate or will not be accepted or we will not measure up to past loves or lovers. We are afraid to give 100% because of fear the other person is holding back. We are afraid to be known because we are fearful the other person will not understand us or think less of us then they did before. Relationships and loves all have the same issues but having history of money for sex will stress the mind even more to completely trust and completely surrender unless there is genuine love.

[QUOTE=JohnWhitman;3407472]Of course generalizations can be right almost all of the time, but are usually defined by exceptions as well. As best as I know, most of the women in the biz have some kind of issue going on. Ranging from disasters like addiction to lesser things like minor personality disorders. I also know and have known some exceptions to the "broken rule" (again, as best as I can tell). Women who use P2 P as a means to an end, be it a financial goal (such as a college degree) or some personal thing. Any profession has a range of people involved in it, perhaps this one has a wider range than most. However, imagine a future USA in which the world's oldest profession is completely legal, suitably taxed and regulated for health, and is accepted by society as just another service business (albeit more intimate than most services). I think that would change things pretty dramatically. Won't happen in my lifetime, but I hope someday.[/QUOTE]I think many people in general have some sort of issue going on in this day and age but they are just better at hiding it because no one is questioning why you became an accountant, or chef or lawyer or whatever else. The military for instance seems to attract those who already have existing issues or leaves them with long lasting psychological problems but very few people tell someone who is pursuing a vet or active duty military member that they shouldn't bother because they are "probably" broken beyond repair (before anyone yells at me I am a vet). My point I guess is if you dig deep enough into some random person's life, it's likely you will find something wrong. We chose a risky profession that either leaves us leading double lives or on the edges of society so while many of us have some kind of issue I personally know of women who do it because of delibilating medical issues, to have more time for a special needs child, to put themselves through college, ect. I personally don't know anyone who is struggling with addiction (beyond the green stuff) though I do know a few with mental disorders (personality disorders are different and much more devastating) usually something like bipolar but I also know plenty of people outside this world who struggle with that. I have your typical garden variety depression with a dash of anxiety but again, I know plenty of people outside of this who struggle with it, some even worse than I do. While I think making this legal might attract healthier minded women, the stigma won't go away and people will always take any kind of issue you have with a "aha! So that's why you entered this profession". If we want to make this legal some day we have to start changing the attitude that anyone who does this is inherently broken beyond repair. If you have that attitude you might want to ask yourself why you are throwing stones in a glass house.

[QUOTE=Sgiii;3407284]I actually just follow more than anything. I've seen maybe 5 providers. Can't afford to do it often either.[/QUOTE]You saved a lot of cash falling in love with one of the five providers you've seen over all these years.

[QUOTE=BreannaBreeze;3407182]While I'll agree with your points about being a "savior" I will have to disagree about every woman in this business being "broken" to the point of not being able to have a happy, healthy relationship. Perhaps not with someone who frequents providers but with someone who would fit into their social circle. One could argue that mongers would actually have a tougher time with relationships (and staying monogamous) because they are used to paying for who ever they want to have sex with them whereas most providers would be happy to only be with one person.[/QUOTE]One could argue. I guess we can't use the w*h*o*r*e word... lol

[QUOTE=BeepBeepItsMe;3407845]One could argue. I guess we can't use the w*h*o*r*e word... lol[/QUOTE]Jesus, dude. Come on? That make you feel good?

So killing time and I search backpage london and. NOPE.

I can't seem to get there the backpage only allows me to view USA based cities?

Why'all try it and see if you get the same issue. ?

[QUOTE=BeepBeepItsMe;3407845]One could argue. I guess we can't use the w*h*o*r*e word... lol[/QUOTE]What makes you more qualified to give advice than myself? I'm a lot more objective and less biased than you appear to be.

[QUOTE=BeepBeepItsMe;3407845]One could argue. I guess we can't use the w*h*o*r*e word... lol[/QUOTE]If you don't think there are very broken people on the client side of this, and this is an ignorant comment. But I guess we can't use the word d*o*you*c*h*e*b*a*g*.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3407587]XHippie is on point when he says, "If two REALLY connect on a level above all the sex. " and "Sexual attraction is great but human attraction is something special. " Everybody does need some love in life. My definition is; a person who you can't live without, a person who you are willing to change for the better, a person who you care about above yourself and a person who, if necessary, you are willing to die for. Love can be a feeling, but its more of a commitment. A conscious decision to do your best regardless of how you feel. It can work if both want it to work. When you like someone and there is an attraction and you enjoy their company because of genuine friendship; then the relationship and the sex will take care of itself because the focus will be on making them happy which in turn makes you happy and satisfied.

Anyone can change if they have the motivation to change. Trust will be the biggest issue in this relationship because of the past sex with different people. There can be no secrets about the past or in the future. Everything has to be open and honest. Passwords are known by both and everything is shared. No disappearing for two hours because the one half will wonder if the other half is having a quick rendezvous with the opposite sex. It's human nature to think the worst and never forget the bad so a conscious effort will be always be needed to remove any doubts. Real love forgives and forgets the wrong and only remembers the good. Real love believes and hopes and never quits giving regardless of how you feel. The problem is most people are selfish and protect themselves because we are afraid of being hurt. We are afraid that we are inadequate or will not be accepted or we will not measure up to past loves or lovers. We are afraid to give 100% because of fear the other person is holding back. We are afraid to be known because we are fearful the other person will not understand us or think less of us then they did before. Relationships and loves all have the same issues but having history of money for sex will stress the mind even more to completely trust and completely surrender unless there is genuine love.[/QUOTE]I must say purple, spoken like a true romantic. Bravo. Its true all of what you said, the issue is application of that strategy. We as humans have a sense of curiosity and secrets. We would love to believe that we are told the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but in actuality we rarely speak to our partners about what we find alluring.

I think its overall better to remain open and honest, don't get me wrong. I also think that what truly makes us stronger, as a species, is sex with other people. If you take the hormone imbalance out of both them you are left with more logical partners. Its when we rely solely on one person for all of our sexual needs and desires we suffocate our relationship.

Its one thing to be super kinky crossed star lovers because you both realize there are no boundaries. Its another to be vanilla with a darker core, that's all boundaries.

I guess what I'm saying is that, if you want open and honest you might have to do a lot of things your not comfortable with in order to fully satisfy your partners needs and desires. If you won't another will.

MZ.

[QUOTE=BreannaBreeze;3407881]What makes you more qualified to give advice than myself? I'm a lot more objective and less biased than you appear to be.[/QUOTE]Good Job, Sweetheart!

TS.

[QUOTE=BreannaBreeze;3407182]While I'll agree with your points about being a "savior" I will have to disagree about every woman in this business being "broken" to the point of not being able to have a happy, healthy relationship. Perhaps not with someone who frequents providers but with someone who would fit into their social circle. One could argue that mongers would actually have a tougher time with relationships (and staying monogamous) because they are used to paying for who ever they want to have sex with them whereas most providers would be happy to only be with one person.[/QUOTE]We're all broken in some ways. My vote is the mongers are broken much more than the girls. The girls are out there for the public to see. They stand on corners, they advertise their services and are reviewed. They put themselves out there in the public eye. Mongers on the other hand hide in the dark, slink around trying to play in this hobby. They have wives, family, jobs that could be lost if busted or caught. A lot couldn't get or maintain a relationship and working girls are their only solution. Mongers are way more broken IMHO.