Supereloquent's Reports - Philadelphia

[QUOTE= Street Steve]I did the K both Thursday and Friday and talked to a number of SW's. The 10.00 BBBJ / car date is now quite common, and it affects the pricing structure of many of the SW's. Some that would not do a 20.00 car date before are doing them now.[/QUOTE]I am on the K a LOT, and I know and have experienced a lot, but I don't pretend to know everything. I wouldn't have suspected that that a BBBJ was now commonly available for 10 without reading it here. That doesn't mean that I am dumb or an inexperienced monger. It just means that my understanding of where to start negotiating was colored by a price that has been in place for a very long time and I typically have started higher when I make a find that I want to work all the way around in terms of finances, attitude and performance. Perhaps that is a behavior worth reconsidering.

[QUOTE= Street Steve]Really the 10.00 BBBJ was always there, but only with the less *attractive SW's. Note I did not say unattractive! Even then, most of these SW swore you to silence about it. [/QUOTE]I was always aware that the less attractive SWs could be had for less. It is not that I snubbed my nose at them, but I have just preferred somewhat better options which were quite plentiful at what I believed were "normal" Ave rates. I was never sworn to silence about what I paid. I guess that's when you know you have tested the bargain prices really available, even with the average to better looking SWs. That's something I should have already known as a good salesman: you don't get something unless you ask for it.

[QUOTE= Street Steve]It is a real status thing with SW, and they very often lie to each other on how much they charge. They also lie on how much a certain Monger will pay them. Very much like : "oh Jim only gives you 20.00? He always gives me 30.00" Now the 10.00 BBJ is common knowledge with the SW's. Is it accepted by alL. HARDLY[/QUOTE]That is all wise commentary, Street. SWs lie? Say it isn't so! LOL I once published a list of common SW lies. Here is a direct quote:

"We should make a little book of standard SW lies: Taking 5 to 10 years off their ages; "I used to use drugs but I am in rehab"; "Those marks (or that bandage) Those are insect bites"; "I don't use a pimp"; " "Sure, I swallow"; "I am the best"; "I lost my phone (or someone stole it, or it ran out of minutes, or I am getting new one tomorrow, or the dog ate it? ") ; and my absolute favorite of all time SW lie:"I don't do this much. "

However, the most common lies I forgot to mention are the lies to each other and to mongers as to what they "usually" get paid.

As you said, one thing is for sure: the 10 dollar BJ may be common knowledge among SWs but it is hardly something accepted by all.

[QUOTE= Street Steve]"They are ruining it for everybody" stated Krista. See her below.[/QUOTE]Krista has been around a while, and I am sure she has seen and heard a lot of what goes down on the K. However, I rather doubt she has taken Econ 101. Competitors may not like the lowest price set in a free market. But, it is a reality that they had better learn to cope with.

[QUOTE= Street Steve]Oh and most of them think all of us are cheap. A big part of this problem is their management of money is vastly different than ours. If you offer them 10.00 they will very often say "really? Is that all you have". It is best to simply lie and say "yes it is". For many of us it is not all we have, but rather it is what we are willing to pay. This is not something they can wrap their minds around. They pay everything they have for the drugs they want. They have a difference set of values. I have done overnighters, and whole weekends with many some of these Women, one last mouth stayed with me for 5 days. She could not understand why I would not spring for 40.00 to watch WWF on pay per view. You think? The way we manage our money is a marvel to them.[/QUOTE]Even though what you said seems anecdotally obvious, I found your explanation of this phenomenon quite interesting and insightful. We tend to live in worlds with self-imposed controls and limits. In comparison, most of their worlds are like cars careening out of control with no brakes.

[QUOTE= Street Steve]Quote Originally Posted by Supereloquent View Post.

So why not 10 plus a performance tip, or just 10 with no performance promise? It sounds like it would be worth a try. If we all were offering just 10, then that would become de facto the new accepted price, like it or lump it. "

I agree with SuperE. Note his attitude. He knows who He is, and does need or seek their acceptance. He and I are alike in this way. [/QUOTE]We are alike in many, many ways but thank you for your agreement and understanding, Street. I am not on the K to make friends. It is a business transaction. Sure, as part of the transaction I want to respect her as a fellow human being, have fun and enjoy one another's company both sexually and socially. Some SWs I genuinely like, have great chemistry with, and want to date repetitively more than others. But I am not looking to be their "buddy, " or feel needed or accepted. You are right that I know who I am and what I want, and I don't need to be confirmed by some SW popularity / reputation contest on the Ave.

[QUOTE= Street Steve]I have a long background in Management. I know how to "work an angle". The approach I take is this, this is the price I am throwing at you, and it's cool if you don't find that acceptable. I have even stated at times "look I know a lot of Guys will give you more"

Remember the 20.00 BBBJ car date is far from being dead-it is just no longer a given. In my very next report I did pay 20.00 for a BBBJ. SuperE has seen my pictures of her already. My read on her was not to lowball her. I really don't mind paying 20.00, but if I can lowball them I will. [/QUOTE]I so totally agree with everything you said, including about the gal whose info you already shared with me. It is not about low-balling every SW you encounter. You have to go with your gut.

[QUOTE= Street Steve]*One frumpy SW's Lori has been giving 5.00 BBJ's for years now. Sometimes I give Lori a couple bucks just for being Lori. She is that sweet.[/QUOTE]Sweetness counts for a lot in my book. I give credit to any SW on the K who has it given the sea of crud they mentally have to swim in daily.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent; 1085142]I am on the K a LOT, and I know and have experienced a lot, but I don't pretend to know everything. I wouldn't have suspected that that a BBBJ was now commonly available for 10 without reading it here. That doesn't mean that I am dumb or an inexperienced monger. It just means that my understanding of where to start negotiating was colored by a price that has been in place for a very long time and I typically have started higher when I make a find that I want to work all the way around in terms of finances, attitude and performance. Perhaps that is a behavior worth reconsidering.

I was always aware that the less attractive SWs could be had for less. It is not that I snubbed my nose at them, but I have just preferred somewhat better options which were quite plentiful at what I believed were "normal" Ave rates. I was never sworn to silence about what I paid. I guess that's when you know you have tested the bargain prices really available, even with the average to better looking SWs. That's something I should have already known as a good salesman: you don't get something unless you ask for it.

That is all wise commentary, Street. SWs lie? Say it isn't so! LOL I once published a list of common SW lies. Here is a direct quote:

"We should make a little book of standard SW lies: Taking 5 to 10 years off their ages; "I used to use drugs but I am in rehab"; "Those marks (or that bandage) Those are insect bites"; "I don't use a pimp"; " "Sure, I swallow"; "I am the best"; "I lost my phone (or someone stole it, or it ran out of minutes, or I am getting new one tomorrow, or the dog ate it? ") ; and my absolute favorite of all time SW lie:"I don't do this much. "

However, the most common lies I forgot to mention are the lies to each other and to mongers as to what they "usually" get paid.

As you said, one thing is for sure: the 10 dollar BJ may be common knowledge among SWs but it is hardly something accepted by all.

Krista has been around a while, and I am sure she has seen and heard a lot of what goes down on the K. However, I rather doubt she has taken Econ 101. Competitors may not like the lowest price set in a free market. But, it is a reality that they had better learn to cope with.

Even though what you said seems anecdotally obvious, I found your explanation of this phenomenon quite interesting and insightful. We tend to live in worlds with self-imposed controls and limits. In comparison, most of their worlds are like cars careening out of control with no brakes.

We are alike in many, many ways but thank you for your agreement and understanding, Street. I am not on the K to make friends. It is a business transaction. Sure, as part of the transaction I want to respect her as a fellow human being, have fun and enjoy one another's company both sexually and socially. Some SWs I genuinely like, have great chemistry with, and want to date repetitively more than others. But I am not looking to be their "buddy, " or feel needed or accepted. You are right that I know who I am and what I want, and I don't need to be confirmed by some SW popularity / reputation contest on the Ave.

I so totally agree with everything you said, including about the gal whose info you already shared with me. Sometimes it is not about low-balling every SW you encounter. You have to go with your gut.

Sweetness counts for a lot in my book. I give credit to any SW on the K who has it given the sea of crud they mentally have to swim in daily. [/QUOTE]This right here was a great read.

[QUOTE=Hortense;1085260]Is it my imagination, or is the writing in here subtly becoming more effective and more compatible with 21st century standards. [/QUOTE]Thank you for the compliment.

I can always learn something, even when I wrongly presume to think that I already knew it. There can always be a smarter person in the room in terms of experience or knowledge about any particular subject. I tend to get my back up if that person points out something to me in a derogatory or sarcastic manner. That is human nature. However, I should also pay attention that I don't make that same mistake myself. Being intelligent doesn't always mean that one has common sense, and ranting with an ego, or berating someone needlessly impresses nobody. It often does the exact opposite of that. A smart person should always be able to show he is truly smart by not always trumpeting that he is right, and being flexible enough to change his behavior when warranted.

[QUOTE=Hortense]What? Ending a clause with a preposition? Yes, it can happen if it makes the writing more readable, as opposed to "it is a reality with which they had better learn to cope" or some such rot.

I point this out because of the name the originator of this thread chose to call himself. He obviously has pride in his writing. And deservedly so, although in the past it seemed he tried a little too hard and occasionally came across as too formal and awkward. Lately it seems to have become more readable and wince-free. [/QUOTE]Thank you, again.

I do have pride in my writing. I learned in middle school, with mental bruising to show for it, that one should NEVER, EVER end a clause, phrase and certainly not a sentence with a preposition. It frankly never occurred to me to question the ongoing evolution of thought on this issue. There is clearly a trend in the modern use of prepositions in terms of writing good English to be closer to its casual roots, and sound more natural. I have done some recent research, and the current thinking about this is quite different from what I learned when the discovery of fire was the theme of my senior prom.

I found out that some of the "rules" of English grammar that I learned in school were devised by pedants who believed that English was inferior to the formality and more uncompromising structure of Latin and should be improved by forcing it onto the Procrustean bed of Latin grammar.

Often what looks like a preposition in an English sentence is really not a preposition but a part of the verb (the technical term is adverbial particle). Consider these verbs: to put, to put up, to put up with (to put out? LOL). Obviously these are not the same verbs, and equally obviously the words that look like familiar prepositions are actually a part of each of the last two (three?) verbs. A preposition need not be forced where it uncomfortably has to exist in a sentence, and make the sentence sound antiquated, bizarre and ugly because of a Latin-derived, prejudiced and silly grammatical rule. I am somewhat fluent in German and I should know better. English is descended from an ancestral German dialect, not from Latin, and certain of the rules based on Latin grammar simply do not fit the structure of English. Adverbial particles or verb prefixes are quite common in German and they are almost always placed at the end of a clause, phrase or sentence. They combine with the main verb and the context of the sentence to derive their full meaning, even though they may be well separated in the sentence.

As an example, the Amish use a funny (to us) and literal English translation of a Pennsylvania Dutch (or Deutsch: German) phrase when saying, "Make the light out, " which is derived from "Machen Sie das Licht aus. " Ausmachen is the whole verb, which can have ten different meanings in German depending upon the context (and we thought English was weird). But the meaning in this context is to "make" or as we more usually say "turn" the light out or off. We often say this, as a comfortable and natural phrase (but think about how odd the concept is of "turning" a light out or off, when the usual reference is to flipping a switch, and the origination was to "turn" the light out as in an oil or gas lamp; talk about antiquated idioms, no wonder English can be a hard language for a foreigner to master). Separating the verb prefix (participle) "out" and naturally placing it at the end of this phrase, is quite proper English.

[QUOTE=Hortense]It's also nice not to see the word "sardonic" overused (and misused) recently. If you're tempted to use it in the future, check back with your dictionary to see the difference between "sardonic" and "sarcastic". It's subtle, but they are not synonyms! [/QUOTE]Sardonic means disdainfully or skeptically humorous or derisively mocking. Sarcastic implies an intentional inflicting of pain by deriding, taunting, or ridiculing. Both have a bad connotation when they characterize comments aimed at you. I don't wish to seem a smarty-pants, but both of these words ARE commonly recognized as "synonyms" in virtually any thesaurus, despite subtle differences in meaning.

I suppose that by leaning towards the use of the word sardonic, I am being slightly more kind to detractors and their motivations. If you thought I overused it, then I would contend the same tends to be true for those who overly use the word sarcastic, thinking that it is relatively benign, when it actually has a quite nasty true definition.

[QUOTE=Hortense]That's the only "homework" for now. Keep up the good work![/QUOTE]Thank you yet again for your encouragement.

I was always one of those oddballs who loved homework. I spent many hours in the library that today would be obviated by the internet.

[QUOTE=Freaklikdat;1085216]This right here was a great read.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your compliment, Freak.

I will have to admit that my remarks were substantially inspired by some of the interesting and insightful things that Street recently had to say.

[QUOTE= Street Steve]Again, the total was 23.45 However now that I think about it, I do worry that some AMP loving Idiot is going to go in Dunkin and ask for the Latte / SW Combo Meal.[/QUOTE]ANOTHER great find Street! It wasn't for 10, but 23.45 still sounds like a bargain for the latte / Jennifer combo.

[QUOTE= Street Steve]How could anybody not like Jennifer. When I told Jennifer that she had a hot body, she simply returned.

"Thanks that is what God gave me for my Birthday"[/QUOTE]I love the long, lanky, sexy body, the pretty face and the interesting bobbed pigtails. She would look awesome in a schoolgirl outfit for Halloween. That is a major fetish of mine. If a SW is on the K in a plaid short skirt with knee socks, she is more than half way home before I even fully evaluate the face and body.

[QUOTE= Street Steve]Yeah this SW is fun. We exchanged stories. She is in love with a Musician. I told her of my feelings for my secret SW Karen-feelings with have become tender. When I told her about a problem Karen I are having. Jennifer simply stated.

"I already don't like her"[/QUOTE]I like her attitude. She seems to be real and witty, a relatively rare combination on the K.

[QUOTE= Street Steve]Seconds later, and I mean seconds, I get a call on my cell. The call was blocked. Karen calls are always blocked.

"Where are you"

"I'm in Philly Baby, I got here at 7"

"I know I just saw you on Frankford. I'm on the bus"

Fuck I thought, Karen does not like me to be with other SW's. Not even a tiny bit.

"wow I am not very lucky today am I "'

"I guess not, Ok well. Look I guess, I will see you when I see you " and she hung up. [/QUOTE]This Karen must be one helluva hot lay!

[QUOTE= Street Steve]Before Jennifer started sucking me, she turned to me and asked " if you choose to be with her would you have still paid me the twenty? " Yes I told her. I would have. Jennifer really had to earn that 20.00. That call from Karen was a real Head Fuck, and it took me forever to cum. Yes I have her cell, but the Fabulous SuperE gets her first.

Street [/QUOTE]Thanks for the priority, pal. Hopefully Jennifer will be up for a photo spread. She looks like a candidate for SW of the year. At the very least it looks and sounds like she can become as famous and demanded as anyone on the Ave.

Clothed; in her bra; nude; doggie; sucking my cock.

Pretty sexy I like a little meat on the bones myself.

A "mosaic" collage of the last ten pics posted.

One of my favorites from the last set of 10 pics posted.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent; 1084863]Thank you, Freak.

I preferred the way the old software showed thumbnail images rather than just icons when multiple pics were attached to a post. Then again, I also like very much the ability with the new software to attach a very large pic to a post. With this capability, opportunities are presented for more than one way to skin a cat. Even an old technologically challenged dog like me apparently CAN sometimes learn new tricks, and somewhat get around the limitations presented by the new software, and even use it to be better and more varied in certain ways. [/QUOTE]I see you did a collage of a set of pics, after posting the list. Looks like you figured out your own "work around" the new software! Any chance of labeling the pics in the collage? Then again with your new "decriptive" labels it might not be too hard to figure out which one to click on for an enlargement.

Way to go!

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love;1085463]I see you did a collage of a set of pics, after posting the list. Looks like you figured out your own "work around" the new software![/QUOTE]The free software I downloaded creates pic collages easy-peasy. The mosaic collage took all of a minute to set up: one mouse click to establish it, and the rest of the minute for the software to create and save it. There are many other options too, like a collage that looks like a scattered pile of pics, a framed mosaic, a contact sheet format, a grid and even superimposed exposures. You can drag and drop the pics within the collage to change their position, and you can randomly scramble them and reshuffle the pics within a collage. You can change the background coloring, add pic borders and shadowing and you can change the spacing between the pics in the collage.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love]Any chance of labeling the pics in the collage? Then again with your new "decriptive" labels it might not be too hard to figure out which one to click on for an enlargement.[/QUOTE]It is fairly easy to label each pic with text but I think it takes away from the pic, and it makes the collage less visually appealing IMHO. As you noted, the new "descriptive labels" I am using makes it fairly easy to figure out which pics to enlarge and view more closely from the pic icons. This arrangement isn't perfect because you can't click directly on the thumbnails in the collage to open up an individual image, but it is a lot better than blindly selecting from the icons, even with descriptive labeling.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love]Way to go![/QUOTE]Thank you. Where there is a will there is often a way. ;)

[QUOTE=Supereloquent; 1085419]Thank you for your compliment, Freak.

I will have to admit that my remarks were substantially inspired by some of the interesting and insightful things that Street recently had to say. [/QUOTE]What I am about to say, SuperE probably knows already, but the rest of you may learn something today.

This how it is done. Any organization, large or small, works best when its members are constantly building on each others ideas, theory's and concepts.

If the management of the Library system from where I onced belonged is reading this-see you did teach me a thing or two. Oh and thanks for that fucking pension. I using it to have unprotected oral sex with convicted Felons, and I hope you don't mind.

Street

[QUOTE=Street Steve;1085587]What I am about to say, SuperE probably knows already, but the rest of you may learn something today.[/QUOTE]You are preaching to the choir, Street. Only the knuckleheads don't know this already, and they don't want to learn anything new. They already know everything. That's why you see them making U-turns right on the Ave to make a pick-up. They have such a sharp brain and keen eyesight that they know where every single LEO (including under-covers) is within a mile of them.

[QUOTE=Street Steve]This how it is done. Any organization, large or small, works best when its members are constantly building on each others ideas, theory's and concepts.[/QUOTE]I used to love the TV series called "Connections," narrated by that odd looking English bloke with a balding, bulbous head, thick black glasses and a strong but understandable Brit accent.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_%28TV_series%29]Connections TV Series[/url]

In each episode, he would start with a major modern invention which had revolutionized the way we live: like television, or computers, or the automobile and the airplane. He would trace back the various interwoven trains of thought and previous inventions to the very roots of the ideas, which, in many cases, occurred centuries ago. In one episode, for example, he suggests that the development of modern telecommunications today can be related back to the Normans using stirrups in their saddles. The series is available on line in DVD form and as a book. I highly recommend both as being very interesting and thought provoking.

[QUOTE=Street Steve]If the management of the Library system from where I onced belonged is reading this-see you did teach me a thing or two. Oh and thanks for that fucking pension. I using it to have unprotected oral sex with convicted Felons, and I hope you don't mind.

Street[/QUOTE]Street, you are a riot, per usual! :)

Many people know about this very odd connection that goes back hundreds of years, but it shows you how one decision/idea can prevail long after it begins:

The USA standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is four feet, eight and a half inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in England, and English expatriates built the USA railroads.

Why did the English people build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the prerailroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used.

Why did 'they' use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.

Why did the wagons use that odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing the wagons would break on some of the old, long-distance roads, because that's the spacing of the old wheel ruts.

So who built these old rutted roads? The first long-distance roads in Europe were built by Imperial Rome for the benefit of its legions. The roads have been used ever since.

And the ruts? Roman war chariots made the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagons. Since the chariots were made for or by Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing. Thus, the standard USA railroad gauge of four feet, eight and a half inches derives from the specification for an Imperial Roman army war chariot.

Specs and bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up with it, you may be exactly right. Because the Imperial Roman chariots were made to be just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two warhorses.

What does this have to do with mongering on the K? I would refer you to our recent discussion of pricing. Before discovering that there is apparently a very widely known bargain rate of 10 for a BJ, I would have thought that 20 was the standard. Prices are a lot easier to manipulate than railroad gauges, but I think you get my point. What has happened in the past does have a bearing on the present, but it pays to re-evaluate that from time to time.

[QUOTE= Cephlapod Love]Oops, sorry. Wasn't explicit enough. I mean red PLUS the next 3 cars in line! LOL! In other words, if you are the guy in the intersection as the light turns red, the next three behind you are going to go through too! This is especially true with left turners.[/QUOTE]

I would be cautious on this one. While it is a common occurrence to have three cars turn left on yellow, even as or after the light turns red, it is technically illegal to be going through an intersection for any reason if you think you cannot clear it before it turns red, and a LEO can pull you over for it and issue you a ticket. Sometimes LE will cut you some slack if there is a lot of traffic, or if you get hung up in the intersection and it is in the interests of everyone's safety that you clear it, even if the light is red. But that does not give you the legal right to do it. You still might get a ticket. As with many things, it is up to the discretion of LE. If you actually do get a ticket, you might have a good chance that a Philly LEO wouldn't show up in court for such a minor offense, because they have more important things to do, or the judge might cut you some slack and dismiss the ticket or reduce the fine or the points. You could also request a jury trial where there might be much more sympathy for your plight. But, why go through all that hassle just to beat a light? Let the other idiots speed around you and make the left turn, and take the heat if there is any to be taken. If the traffic is heavy, wait for the green and make the next available right turn, and circle the block to go left. Is getting where you want to go so urgent that you can't spend an extra minute or two?

[QUOTE= Cephlapod Love] Now if you were in South Philly, you could double park or park in the center lane of the street. But alas, don't try that sh*t in and Philly unless you want to be towed.[/QUOTE]

I have seen that craziness in South Philly and I don't pretend to understand it. It is clearly illegal, but apparently it is overlooked, or they would be arresting almost everybody who parks there. I have never figured out what the protocol must be if you are stuck on the inside lane of a double parked street.

Sucking my cock.

Grid collage of the final 6 pics of her sucking my cock.

My favorite from the final set of cock sucking pics.

[QUOTE=Jicarlo;1085443]Pretty sexy I like a little meat on the bones myself.[/QUOTE]Variety IS the spice of life IMHO, ESPECIALLY when it comes to SWs.

If you liked Nicole you will probably also like my next encounter as soon as I write my report. She isn't in the "chubby" category, more roundly curvy and Rubenesque, and quite appealingly so.

[QUOTE= Storm Ranger]You guys are right, I should have given her a five for her time.[/QUOTE]Many people are ready to jump in and give you the benefit of "perfect" street advice upon having time to consider and reflect on the situation. I have been known to be guilty of this as well. The reality is that there is no "right" answer. You were there. You were surprised by the circumstances and they were counter to your expectations, and you had to make a snap decision. You can analyze it to death, and get all the advice in the world, and maybe that will prepare you for a different future outcome, and maybe it won't. Smart people tend to learn from what they themselves believe to be mistakes they have made. It all depends on your point of view. Hindsight is always 20/20.

Very early in my mongering I picked up a SW who turned out to have an extremely sour disposition, and I thought better of it. I only drove her a block when I asked her to get out, that I had changed my mind. She demanded "a few bucks" for her trouble I gave her three bucks, figuring I would get rid of her. My guess is that it was so easy to get a few bucks from me that she thought she could play me for more, and she demanded 20. I told her there was no way I was paying her 20, and she proceeded to rifle through the papers in my glove box (a reason I now keep that locked, and also keep nothing else of value inside my vehicle; some lessons you DO learn the hard way), rip them up, and throw them out the window. When I tried to stop her she screamed, and pulled a box cutter from her bag. It was a small but very scary weapon. Luckily I was able to grab her wrist, bang the cutter loose on the dash, and I pinned her to the door as I opened it and shoved her out onto the street. All the while she was trying to bite and punch me. I had my left forearm jammed up under her chin and across the top of her chest, so she had no leverage or opportunity to do either. I could have been severely injured, and, if LE had wandered by, they wouldn't have cared who started the fight. I would have had a serious legal situation to address.

Maybe giving her something in the first place was the wrong decision. Maybe not giving her the 20 was the wrong decision. Picking her up in the first place was certainly the wrong decision. My point remains. Sometimes there are no "right" decisions. You learn from experience. You acquire better street instincts. You try not to repeat mistakes. But, when all is said and done, things will happen that you didn't necessarily anticipate.

[QUOTE= Storm Ranger] Had she been at all pleasant or made eye contact at all, I probably would have thought of it. I was really thrown off by her attitude, I was expecting so much more. She was opening the door to get out before I even stopped. It was just wierd.[/QUOTE]You seem to be a good guy. I know Hottie Nicole and have dated her many times and I know her to have one of the best attitudes on the stroll. BUT, you didn't know her. You just knew her indirectly by reputation. You were expecting one thing, and something quite different happened. It was a spur of the minute thing. It didn't sound like you planned just to get her number, but rather that you wanted to defer your date with her until a time when she was not dope sick (which is what it seemed like to me). You weren't prepared mentally for her to be off her game or that you might prefer a transaction that involved just getting her digits.

You were pissed and you spouted off publicly about her. That probably was an avoidable mistake. Or maybe not. It did arouse some opinions on the subject.

[QUOTE= Storm Ranger] Next time I just want to chat for a minute and get a number, I'll make it clear up front and have a few bucks ready. Thanks for the advice.

SR. [/QUOTE]A few bucks after a pickup would seem appropriate for something in return, like digits. It is also a nice gesture, and might prevent further trouble, if you change your mind. Then again, it might provoke trouble. Maybe the lesson to really be learned is to try to put yourself in the SW's shoes, but also to expect the unexpected when mongering.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent; 1086471]Many people are ready to jump in and give you the benefit of "perfect" street advice upon having time to consider and reflect on the situation. I have been known to be guilty of this as well. The reality is that there is no "right" answer. You were there. You were surprised by the circumstances and they were counter to your expectations, and you had to make a snap decision. You can analyze it to death, and get all the advice in the world, and maybe that will prepare you for a different future outcome, and maybe it won't. Smart people tend to learn from what they themselves believe to be mistakes they have made. It all depends on your point of view. Hindsight is always 20/20.

Very early in my mongering I picked up a SW who turned out to have an extremely sour disposition, and I thought better of it. I only drove her a block when I asked her to get out, that I had changed my mind. She demanded "a few bucks" for her trouble I gave her three bucks, figuring I would get rid of her. My guess is that it was so easy to get a few bucks from me that she thought she could play me for more, and she demanded 20. I told her there was no way I was paying her 20, and she proceeded to rifle through the papers in my glove box (a reason I now keep that locked, and also keep nothing else of value inside my vehicle; some lessons you DO learn the hard way, rip them up, and throw them out the window. When I tried to stop her she screamed, and pulled a box cutter from her bag. It was a small but very scary weapon. Luckily I was able to grab her wrist, bang the cutter loose on the dash, and I pinned her to the door as I opened it and shoved her out onto the street. All the while she was trying to bite and punch me. I had my left forearm jammed up under her chin and across the top of her chest, so she had no leverage or opportunity to do either. I could have been severely injured, and, if LE had wandered by, they wouldn't have cared who started the fight. I would have had a serious legal situation to address.

Maybe giving her something in the first place was the wrong decision. Maybe not giving her the 20 was the wrong decision. Picking her up in the first place was certainly the wrong decision. My point remains. Sometimes there are no "right" decisions. You learn from experience. You acquire better street instincts. You try not to repeat mistakes. But, when all is said and done, things will happen that you didn't necessarily anticipate.

You seem to be a good guy. I know Hottie Nicole and have dated her many times and I know her to have one of the best attitudes on the stroll. BUT, you didn't know her. You just knew her indirectly by reputation. You were expecting one thing, and something quite different happened. It was a spur of the minute thing. It didn't sound like you planned just to get her number, but rather that you wanted to defer your date with her until a time when she was not dope sick (which is what it seemed like to me. You weren't prepared mentally for her to be off her game or that you might prefer a transaction that involved just getting her digits.

You were pissed and you spouted off publicly about her. That probably was an avoidable mistake. Or maybe not. It did arouse some opinions on the subject.

A few bucks after a pickup would seem appropriate for something in return, like digits. It is also a nice gesture, and might prevent further trouble, if you change your mind. Then again, it might provoke trouble. Maybe the lesson to really be learned is to try to put yourself in the SW's shoes, but also to expect the unexpected when mongering. [/QUOTE]I would have to agree with you 100%. The attitude of a dope sick SW can be a complete opposite to the normal functioning attitude of a user. I have never dated Hottie Nicole, however I have had my share of experiences such as yourself with arrogant SW which won't leave your car until they receive everything they assume you are carrying on your person or in your car. There was a discussion in the Jersey section a while back that relates to this very much. A fellow member suggested attaching a battery to the springs in his passenger seat, or something such as that, that he could switch on to "zap" the offender much like a Taser. I believe this was tongue in cheek humor but it does suggest this happens more than reported. If she was dope sick, which the report suggests, she was definitely out for her fix money and is why the attitude occured. Never put it past a dope sick SW that you have dated many times previously to have that dreaded "Dr. Jekyll-Mr. Hyde complex" and run off with your money or give bad service. Had she been in a better state, the outcome could have been different, and the number exchange may have been appreciated. This is the main reason we have the term YMMV.

JB

I had a similar situation where the SW took out a box cutter and threatened to slash the leather seats if I didn't give her 20 the next time I picked one up that was definitely dope sick and not herself I will try to keep anything like that from happening by calming saying ok lets find a spot then stop at the nearest 7-11 or dunkin donuts and give her a few bucks to go in and get you a coke or juice. She will at first say why don't you go in and Ill just say I don't feel comfortable with a stranger sitting in my car while I'm in there. As soon as she heads to the soda section I bolt. My thought is that she has a couple bucks for her time or a free drink and no damage done. Now you don't want to do this often or just because you don't like a girl but rather someone who is really out of it or obnoxious or you will make enemies fast under the EL and will have rocks thrown at your car next time your strolling along. On a side note I had a SW get in my car one time and then she passed out cold. I couldn't wake her and wasn't sure what to do (I could see she was breathing so 911 wasnt necessary) I finally drove around for a short bit trying to think of what I should do. I thought maybe I could prop her up in a door step like I see some of the addicts do on their own some times. Finally I stopped and as I was lifting her out of the car (thank god she was petite) she woke up and started yelling put me down. The second I set her up she sounded like she shit her pants and started stumbling away. The point of the story is that you never know what will happen out there and you always have to think ahead for the "what ifs" stay safe!

[QUOTE=Johnboy; 1086572]I would have to agree with you 100. The attitude of a dope sick SW can be a complete opposite to the normal functioning attitude of a user. I have never dated Hottie Nicole, however I have had my share of experiences such as yourself with arrogant SW which won't leave your car until they receive everything they assume you are carrying on your person or in your car. There was a discussion in the Jersey section a while back that relates to this very much. A fellow member suggested attaching a battery to the springs in his passenger seat, or something such as that, that he could switch on to "zap" the offender much like a Taser. I believe this was tongue in cheek humor but it does suggest this happens more than reported. If she was dope sick, which the report suggests, she was definitely out for her fix money and is why the attitude occured. Never put it past a dope sick SW that you have dated many times previously to have that dreaded "Dr. Jekyll-Mr. Hyde complex" and run off with your money or give bad service. Had she been in a better state, the outcome could have been different, and the number exchange may have been appreciated. This is the main reason we have the term YMMV.

JB[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Johnboy;1086572]I would have to agree with you 100%. The attitude of a dope sick SW can be a complete opposite to the normal functioning attitude of a user.[/QUOTE]Just to be clear, her being dope sick was never actually mentioned in the original post That was merely my speculation given her demeanor and behavior. Maybe she was just having a bad day.

[QUOTE=Johnboy] I have never dated Hottie Nicole..[/QUOTE]I have dated her many times and she is one of my favorites on the Ave. She has never had a bad attitude with me. That doesn't mean she isn't capable of having an off day. Nobody is perfect 100% of the time, especially a girl who is on drugs and surviving on the K. It is often a wonder to me that so many girls on the Ave are able to be in good spirits at all.

[QUOTE=Johnboy] ....however, I have had my share of experiences such as yourself with arrogant SW which won't leave your car until they receive everything they assume you are carrying on your person or in your car. [/QUOTE]I have been mongering a very long time and an incident like that only happened to me once. The lesson it taught me is to be careful who you pick up. There are many reasons to park off the K and approach a girl on foot. It certainly gives you a much better and more careful look at the lay of the land regarding possible LE in the immediate vicinity. However, another important advantage is that it gives you a much better idea of personality and attitude. She doesn't only have to be dope sick to be a bad choice. A 5 minute conversation on the street is a LOT better than a ton of hassle after you pick her up and change your mind.

[QUOTE=Johnboy]There was a discussion in the Jersey section a while back that relates to this very much. A fellow member suggested attaching a battery to the springs in his passenger seat, or something such as that, that he could switch on to "zap" the offender much like a Taser. I believe this was tongue in cheek humor but it does suggest this happens more than reported. If she was dope sick, which the report suggests, she was definitely out for her fix money and is why the attitude occured.[/QUOTE]A SW desperate for a fix can be a bad date in many ways. Firstly, they aren't usually much sexual fun, unless that situation is your particular brand of kink. Secondly, an extreme reaction on their part to rejection can become dangerous in any number of ways. A battery or a Taser or maybe even an ejection seat might be a tongue-in-cheek solution, but the real solution is to scope out a SW before you pick her up and not afterward. You may save yourself a lot of grief.

[QUOTE=Johnboy] Never put it past a dope sick SW that you have dated many times previously to have that dreaded "Dr. Jekyll-Mr. Hyde complex" and run off with your money or give bad service. Had she been in a better state, the outcome could have been different, and the number exchange may have been appreciated. This is the main reason we have the term YMMV.

JB[/QUOTE]That can happen, although it has been my experience that, after a number of dates, or even one date for that matter, I usually know a SW pretty well. That doesn't mean they can't be very different when dope sick, but even then the good ones know where their bread is buttered. If you are a regular, you will usually do the right thing, and she will usually do the right thing. What is the right thing? : it varies as much as there are 2 different chemistry mixes. But I don't think there is an easy formula, and one size does not fit all (hell, that's even true for condoms, LOL).

The recent whining by a certain member about the number and types of pics I or anyone else decides to take and post amuses me. Such complainers typically seem to be those who contribute little to this Forum, most especially in the pic category. I say that if you want to demonstrate to me or others how it should be done that you show me rather than tell me. The former may get my attention, and perhaps even my admiration. The latter just tells me how easy it is to be a repetitive and criticizing loud mouth. It may make you feel good to bellow and see yourself in print, but it will not have one tiny speck of effect on my future pic posting approach. No, I correct that statement: it will motivate me to post a LOT more pics of each SW and ESPECIALLY of the type you are complaining about. :)

[QUOTE=Supereloquent;1086969]The recent whining by a certain member about the number and types of pics I or anyone else decides to take and post amuses me. Such complainers typically seem to be those who contribute little to this Forum, most especially in the pic category. I say that if you want to demonstrate to me or others how it should be done that you show me rather than tell me. The former may get my attention, and perhaps even my admiration. The latter just tells me how easy it is to be a repetitive and criticizing loud mouth. It may make you feel good to bellow and see yourself in print, but it will not have one tiny speck of effect on my future pic posting approach. No, I correct that statement: it will motivate me to post a LOT more pics of each SW and ESPECIALLY of the type you are complaining about. :)[/QUOTE]Hey Super,

It always makes me laugh when someone gripes over the amount of photos being posted, especially someone such as the offending member you pointed out, who has in his profile that he is an attorney. I would assume someone with his education could find the "next" button in the photo gallery rather than waste time complaining about it. I made a comment in the South Jersey section last week that sadly did'nt get much attention. If it was'nt for the guys like yourself and many more across the country that post pictures on this forum it would be a much less active site and far less interesting. ALL of the photographers here deserve credit for sticking their neck out and doing their thing by supplying us with valuable and entertaining pictures that they are not required to do. I've been a member for a long time and remember what it was like here seven years, or so, ago before the photos started coming in and making things more interesting. I don't post photos for my own reasons, but enjoy viewing those posted very much, and know how to hit "next" when I've seen enough of one type. As I stated in my other post, if it were not for the photographers we would not have anything to gripe about. So quit your bitching and enjoy the show.

As for the other guys comment on posting photos against a girls wishes, what one SW says to a certain guy may not be what the same SW says to another guy. It does not take a law degree to figure that one out!

JB

[QUOTE=Johnboy; 1087048]Hey Super,

It always makes me laugh when someone gripes over the amount of photos being posted, especially someone such as the offending member you pointed out, who has in his profile that he is an attorney. I would assume someone with his education could find the "next" button in the photo gallery rather than waste time complaining about it. [/QUOTE]It doesn't take a genius to distinguish between well-reasoned commentary, and pure unadulterated bitchiness. Someone with intelligence could actually have an influence on my posting behavior with a legitimate argument, and several members here have done exactly that. I would most certainly think a good attorney is capable of such. In this case, however, the name calling, whining and accusations are hardly likely to do so. Of course, that was obviously not his objective in the first place, either in this post or in numerous other posts where he has attacked me. He just has a hard-on that even a cat can't scratch where I am concerned.

[QUOTE=Johnboy] I made a comment in the South Jersey section last week that sadly did'nt get much attention. If it was'nt for the guys like yourself and many more across the country that post pictures on this forum it would be a much less active site and far less interesting. ALL of the photographers here deserve credit for sticking their neck out and doing their thing by supplying us with valuable and entertaining pictures that they are not required to do. I've been a member for a long time and remember what it was like here seven years, or so, ago before the photos started coming in and making things more interesting. I don't post photos for my own reasons, but enjoy viewing those posted very much, and know how to hit "next" when I've seen enough of one type. As I stated in my other post, if it were not for the photographers we would not have anything to gripe about. So quit your bitching and enjoy the show.[/QUOTE]It is relatively easy to ignore pics and particularly easy to ignore my pics if one is so inclined. You can avoid opening my thread and, as you said, one mouse click on the page gets you by my typical post grouping of 10-12 in the pic gallery. But, to hear him constantly wail and complain one would have thought that I pissed in his Cheerios.

[QUOTE=Johnboy]As for the other guys comment on posting photos against a girls wishes, what one SW says to a certain guy may not be what the same SW says to another guy. It does not take a law degree to figure that one out!

JB[/QUOTE]If there is one fact we have established in this Forum it is that SWs lie. They would tell you almost anything you wanted to hear for the price of a few loosies. They can't remember what they had for breakfast let alone from one date among dozens or maybe even hundreds. Their state of mind, motivations and credibility as witnesses should be especially obvious to a lawyer. Spreading hearsay rumors here about members that originated with SWs is suspect, the lowest form of street gossip, and totally against the purposes of this Forum. If you want to start a website for SWs looking for customers (good luck with that), then your second- and third-hand insinuations belong there and not here. An attorney should know better. Beside that point, testimony regarding experiences not witnessed first-hand (with a few dire exceptions) is not admissible in a court of law. No, this isn't a court of law, but it IS a Forum written primarily by mongers and for mongers for the purposes of finding women for sex. It is mostly the relation of first-hand monger experiences. Why? Because we know what happens when the tale skips from a first-person experience to second- and third-hand hearsay, especially when it begins with a questionable source.

As for posting photos against a girl's "wishes," I could be harsh and say, if I paid them for the pics, they are mine and I can do with them what I want, regardless what I told her or she claims I told her. There are several pic takers who take that approach. The complainer in question should focus on them if he has a beef about that approach, because several have made no bones about their pic taking policies in this regard. I have no problem with those policies or any other policies a pic taking monger chooses to have. My pics were not taken under duress, and the girl was typically tipped extra. However, my policy continues to be "don't ask, don't tell." If a girl specifically asks me not to post her pics then I don't. Otherwise I do as I please. I feel no obligation to tell her what I may do with pics I have paid for, and she has volunteered to pose for. Why do I not post when specifically requested?: I just find it to be good business. I have no "reputation" to uphold on the streets (I find the idea of a good "reputation" among SWs absolutely absurd) and I just recently wrote about this very subject:

[QUOTE= Supereloquent]I am not on the K to make friends. It is a business transaction. Sure, as part of the transaction I want to respect her as a fellow human being, have fun and enjoy one another's company both sexually and socially. Some SWs I genuinely like, have great chemistry with, and want to date repetitively more than others. But I am not looking to be their "buddy, " or feel needed or accepted. You are right that I know who I am and what I want, and I don't need to be confirmed by some SW popularity / reputation contest on the Ave.[/QUOTE]However, all that being said, certain SW pics I don't mind keeping private because I like them, want to date them frequently, and they look good enough for me to want to have a private collection of their photos.

[QUOTE= Sprat]I agree you are not alone, I am a bit tired of seeing that small cock, and 20 pic's of some SW's face.[/QUOTE]You have had a hair across when it comes to me for quite a while. What I ever did to you I can't imagine, but saying I have a "small cock" is going to have about the same effect as farting at a sidewinder missile. NO woman who has ever seen my cock has EVER said it was "small." You may claim they didn't want to hurt my feelings, but I absolutely lack no confidence in the cock size department and never will. Anyone can say it is night when the sun is splitting rocks, but that doesn't necessarily make it so.

Your telling me what pics you are "tired of" will just encourage me to do more and more. Whining rarely gets someone what they want. Of course, that assumes you have a clean and mature motive for anything to change as opposed to just being a cry baby.

[QUOTE= Sprat]Have you noticed after they post the pic's of their prized catch, the girls are not seen for a while.

Thats because they are not helping you and I, its because they are assisting the Police and Law enforcement in general, far from hero's! Where I come from folks who assit the police are called something else. [/QUOTE]Yeah, right, LE patrols, vice and the warrant unit have printouts of pics from this website as their main source of intel. I am laughing so hard that I can't decide if it is from reading your ludicrous statements, or contemplating the lack of intelligence that went behind them. However, your incredible "mastery" of English already reflects your IQ: I suggest that you learn the difference between plural and possessive, and how to spell. The mistakes you made would have given you a C- on a fifth grade essay.

There are SO many Nicoles and Nikkis on the Ave! I have only run into one who spells her name Niki; however, I would suppose there may be more, and I am just not aware of it.

I had dated Niki a number of times before, but it was quite a while ago, and even before I started posting on this website. She once worked for an escort service, lived with her mother for a while, slid downhill with a drug problem and was locked up the last time I heard. She was always a fun date, almost too shy for working the streets. It may have been an act, but I don't think so.

Niki is mid-20s, with a pretty face, soft round body, and marvelous titties. Some prefer a shaved pussy. I do too, but I don't mind a soft mound of hair when it smells fresh and clean as hers did. She is a genuine GFE and she has a lilting laugh and a sweet smile.

As is true with many girls who previously have escorted, she would only do a BJ covered. That is generally OK with me when the girl is good and Niki was extremely good. You can see from the photos and the positions of her mouth, lips and cheeks that she has a powerful suck. She concentrates so much that she almost never opens her eyes. That is a shame because she has pretty eyes. I don't think I got one pic of her with her eyes open while she was giving me a BJ. She didn't necessarily do anything fancy while blowing me. Her technique was simple and effective. She could DT me easily and suck like a Hoover on both the up and the down-strokes. That doesn't always work for me, but in this case I was blasting my first load in short order.

With the initial edge off, I was able to last much longer while fucking her. Her pussy was wet from sucking me and my playing with her tits and nipples. Even though her cu*nt was tight, I was able to slide right in. She has bad knees, so doggie, CG and RCG were out. But, mish was a great way to start. She began slowly but she warmed up in a hurry, and moaned loudly, and she was cool with a lot of dirty talking. Standing doggie didn't seem to bother her knees and we ended that way. I was glad we were able to do that because her ass is a perfect sight to behold while fucking her from behind.

Ratings? Face: well above average; Body: well above average; BJ: outstanding; Fucking; well above average (a bit more position flexibility would have made her outstanding) ; Attitude: outstanding; Overall Experience: well above average; Repeatable? YES. YMMV

A mosaic collage of the last ten pics posted of Niki.

I was tempted to show a cock sucking pic JUST for all those haters of cock sucking pics out there. :) But, I had to be honest with myself that this doggie pic was a more preferred favorite from the last set of 10 posted.

Clothed; topless; nude; fingering herself doggie; sucking my cock

A collage of the last set of 10 pics posted of her. I am getting pretty good at this if I don't say so myself! :)

My favorite from the last series of 10 posted.

Something for you cock-sucking pic lovers from the last set of 10 pics posted.:)

Street, you and Rook seem to be the undisputed low-ball contenders on the K, but I have to admit that you are a few laps in the lead, not to say anything bad about Rook.

Your latest find, Jennifer, keeps mongering on the K REAL: 10 for FS has got to be admired! The MP and internet crowd might come out and wail the one sorry old song they know how to sing. But, mongering on the K has a complete menu, including value meals. If someone else wants the sexual equivalent of foie gras, pheasant stuffed with wild rice, chestnuts and mushrooms and baked Alaska, then such is not generally available on the Ave. But you seem to be the King in finding a few items from the dollar menu.

I am contemplating adding, among some other new categories, a low-ball section to my SW of the Year contest for 2010. The entry requirements would be a pic posted in 2010 and a date costing 10 or less (with some leeway given for buying her a drink or some loosies to grease the deal).

I get many PMs. Many of them want something. I guess that is human nature. Whether I provide it is subject to many factors, but let's just say the odds decrease tremendously if you have made relatively few posts here, have never done a solid for me, or, worse yet, have shown yourself to be a whining, rock throwing and immature complainer.

Of the remaining PMs, 100% are positive, with the exception of those where I have refused a request (funny how sweetness and light turns on a dime when someone doesn't get what they want). The ratio of positive PMs to negative public posts regarding me is, oddly enough, a remarkably constant ratio in the vicinity of 100 to one. I thought about this for a bit and it isn't difficult to consider why this might be so. The attention sl*uts who throw rocks want public acknowledgment. They have no legitimate beef to air in private and resolve rationally. They merely want to bash you and bask in that spotlight, to puff out their chests and say,"Look at me! Look how great I am! Look how stupid and disreputable that guy is!" Their idea of raising themselves up is to do it by stepping on your face. Since most have little of real value to contribute, then what else remains? You got it: attack the contributor that you perceive will give you the most recognition. Take him down a peg or two.

What is the ultimate motivation for this nonsense? It is one of the oldest and darkest of them all: a plenary of ego and envy. I have had a few lapses in this regard since becoming a member here, but more than 99% of my posts have been contributory in nature and I have not been inclined to initiate attacks of others as my usual MO. HOWEVER, I have been known to defend myself against the same and I have generally not suffered fools gladly.

Mike 80 recently wrote about the "baggage" he imagined would be the case with being a heavy contributor, and especially by contributing many pics. My experience is that the dangers in this are not with the girls or their "associates" on the streets. The dangers are among the very members here who would sooner take you down than benefit from your intel. Envy is a very powerful and sinister emotion.

You have a right to express your opinions where I am concerned. Some have convinced me to actually change my mind about how I think and what I do in this Forum. But, do it with obviously nefarious motives, and I am NOT likely to change. Moreover, I just might redouble my efforts to do the very thing that you complain about. If that is your wish, then I quote one of my favorite actor / director's statements: "Go ahead, make my day."

Clothed; nude; fingering herself doggie; sucking my cock

A collage of the last 10 pic set posted of Niki.

My favorite from the last set of 10 pics posted.

And, OF COURSE, a pic JUST for the cock-pic haters. Is this "small" enough for you, Sprat? LMAO Keep complaining and I will dig every cock-sucking pic I have out of my immense collection, and publish them large and singly like this, JUST FOR YOU! :)