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I managed to avoid all those girls. I think Taylor, Shannon, Jina, and Haru are worth seeing. If we share more good girls then we wouldn't be in this pickle. I am pretty good at TOFTT but the odds will catch up to me too. Some girls will switch pics and names and pretend to be new girls again LOL.

[QUOTE=KimchiPowerJP;4353724]I'm upset with SAG girl. I got burned so many times. I will not use this agency in the future. Many girls are old, fat, fake pics, I'm sick of it. I can not stand anymore. Recently someone mentioned Raina is fat. I totally agreed. Face looked ugly too. A while ago, there was a girl named erika fromSAG also. She is fat, her body is wider than raina with flat ass. Face look like pig. I could not believe someone brag about how he got Bb from her. That is disgusting when having bb with a pig. Sonya, new girl, old, body does not look good at all. Had baby before. Face looked nothing like girl in the pics.[/QUOTE]

J has a few good girls I excluded but will try to share a low-fat list next week.

[QUOTE=Tomatillo;4353717]Is Jewelry the same as J from ca-kdolls? Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomatillo;4353717]Is Jewelry the same as J from ca-kdolls? Thanks![/QUOTE]No, different bookers.

Which one is the HX profile? Link to it please.

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;4353758]Probably, I don't use switter but those pictures are the same as the ones posted on the HX profile.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;4353774]I managed to avoid all those girls. I think Taylor, Shannon, Jina, and Haru are worth seeing. If we share more good girls then we wouldn't be in this pickle. I am pretty good at TOFTT but the odds will catch up to me too. Some girls will switch pics and names and pretend to be new girls again LOL.[/QUOTE]How was Jina in terms of looks and performance? By any chance, is she the same Jina from last year? If it's her, then I wouldn't mind paying her another visit. My memory is foggy, but I remember that I had a good time with her.

[QUOTE=KimchiPowerJP;4353724]I'm upset with SAG girl. I got burned so many times. I will not use this agency in the future. Many girls are old, fat, fake pics, I'm sick of it. I can not stand anymore. Recently someone mentioned Raina is fat. I totally agreed. Face looked ugly too. A while ago, there was a girl named erika fromSAG also. She is fat, her body is wider than raina with flat ass. Face look like pig. I could not believe someone brag about how he got Bb from her. That is disgusting when having bb with a pig. Sonya, new girl, old, body does not look good at all. Had baby before. Face looked nothing like girl in the pics.[/QUOTE]As the old saying says: "Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me".

[QUOTE=DHorn420;4353918]Which one is the HX profile? Link to it please.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/MilkAndHoney[/URL]

I believe you have to be whitelisted to see the photos.

[QUOTE=KimchiPowerJP;4353724]I'm upset with SAG girl. I got burned so many times. I will not use this agency in the future. Many girls are old, fat, fake pics, I'm sick of it. I can not stand anymore. Recently someone mentioned Raina is fat. I totally agreed. Face looked ugly too. A while ago, there was a girl named Erika from SAG also. She is fat, her body is wider than Raina with flat ass. Face look like pig. I could not believe someone brag about how he got Bb from her. That is disgusting when having bb with a pig. Sonya, new girl, old, body does not look good at all. Had baby before. Face looked nothing like girl in the pics.[/QUOTE]SAG hoes I see were previously with other agencies. Taylor is hot, Shannon is the shit, Haru is cute af, but YMMV.

Face look like pig though. Damn! LMAOOOOOO!

Haven't stopped laughing.

Please if someone has seen and can give me feedback on lyra alysaa or maci with ca-kdolls, I would appreciate it.

[URL]http://ca-kdolls.ch/product/lyra/[/URL]

[URL]http://ca-kdolls.ch/product/alysaa/[/URL]

[URL]http://ca-kdolls.ch/product/maci/[/URL]

Pic looks all hot but no reviews or info on them. Thanks for any info.

[QUOTE=Jack926;4354151]As the old saying says: "Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me".[/QUOTE]The only girl worth seeing from SAG is OC Shannon.

[QUOTE=KimchiPowerJP;4353724]I'm upset with SAG girl. I got burned so many times. I will not use this agency in the future. Many girls are old, fat, fake pics, I'm sick of it. I can not stand anymore. Recently someone mentioned Raina is fat. I totally agreed. Face looked ugly too. A while ago, there was a girl named erika fromSAG also. She is fat, her body is wider than raina with flat ass. Face look like pig. I could not believe someone brag about how he got Bb from her. That is disgusting when having bb with a pig. Sonya, new girl, old, body does not look good at all. Had baby before. Face looked nothing like girl in the pics.[/QUOTE]Since FOSTA, these are my impressions for following agencies (Keep in mind I prefer co-ed FOB types over MILFs):

SAG: Most are 6/7 girls with OK to good performances.

Ca-kdolls: About 1/3 decent to good, 1/3 mediocre to average, 1/3 MILFs or no skills. No superstar at the moment.

Eukgirls: Most are 6/7 girls with OK to good performances.

[URL]ktownescort.com[/URL]: Mostly fake pics with mostly 6-7 girls with poor skills / attitudes.

I don't even bother with M's girls since they must be desperate / ugly / old to even offer BBFS.

[QUOTE=IAmGib1;4345376]When she was at her Hollywood apartment she had a couch in the front area on the right and Liberator wedge pillow on her bed. She was a real sexual animal and lots of fun. I fucked her in every corner of that place. Good times! What did happen to her?[/QUOTE]Oh wow! The thread about Pornpan / Pornpom cracks me up! Because the details are too specific that I just realized it has to be the same girl I met randomly and dated but I was 90% sure she was providing as a relaxation assistant despite her adamant denials. Heinekens, wedge pillow, stripper pole, porn on TV. LOL. Exactly.

She moved back to Thailand and has a successful business. If it's the same girl.

[QUOTE=Kent747;4354618]Since FOSTA, these are my impressions for following agencies (Keep in mind I prefer co-ed FOB types over MILFs):

SAG: Most are 6/7 girls with OK to good performances.

Ca-kdolls: About 1/3 decent to good, 1/3 mediocre to average, 1/3 MILFs or no skills. No superstar at the moment.

Eukgirls: Most are 6/7 girls with OK to good performances.

[URL]ktownescort.com[/URL]: Mostly fake pics with mostly 6-7 girls with poor skills / attitudes.

I don't even bother with M's girls since they must be desperate / ugly / old to even offer BBFS.[/QUOTE]Ruby and Min are two badd ass Korean hoes. Newtop is worth it for these two. Ruby in particular is a fat ass Korean hoe.

[QUOTE=Kent747;4354618]Since FOSTA, these are my impressions for following agencies (Keep in mind I prefer co-ed FOB types over MILFs):

SAG: Most are 6/7 girls with OK to good performances.

Ca-kdolls: About 1/3 decent to good, 1/3 mediocre to average, 1/3 MILFs or no skills. No superstar at the moment.

Eukgirls: Most are 6/7 girls with OK to good performances.

[URL]ktownescort.com[/URL]: Mostly fake pics with mostly 6-7 girls with poor skills / attitudes.

I don't even bother with M's girls since they must be desperate / ugly / old to even offer BBFS.[/QUOTE]Respectfully, isn't this a bit harsh? Not to sound like a broken record, but with FOSTA, these girls are just going to go where the money is and it's not here in LA. This killed the quality of girls from the golden age 2007-2017. The hot ones know their value and will go whatever is best for them. But I do agree on average, the girls aren't as great in performance and definitely looks wise. Since FOSTA, the average age of the girl seems to hover between 30 to 40 some. The last girl I saw who actually looked like their posted age was Diane and she left 2 weeks after she got here. She was 1 out of many in recent memory. Much like any other thing that goes down in quality and that you need or want, you make the most of it. I'm sure we all want 8+ and under 25 but that ain't going to happen at the rate we pay. It's pretty inconvenient to fly to another city or country where the quality is possibly better. Been thinking of doing this but it's going to take at least half a day from start to finish. It's already a pain to drive around LA on a weekday with traffic in the areas where the girls are at.

[QUOTE=TheAbc;4354948]Respectfully, isn't this a bit harsh? Not to sound like a broken record, but with FOSTA, these girls are just going to go where the money is and it's not here in LA. This killed the quality of girls from the golden age 2007-2017. The hot ones know their value and will go whatever is best for them. But I do agree on average, the girls aren't as great in performance and definitely looks wise. Since FOSTA, the average age of the girl seems to hover between 30 to 40 some. The last girl I saw who actually looked like their posted age was Diane and she left 2 weeks after she got here. She was 1 out of many in recent memory. Much like any other thing that goes down in quality and that you need or want, you make the most of it. I'm sure we all want 8+ and under 25 but that ain't going to happen at the rate we pay. It's pretty inconvenient to fly to another city or country where the quality is possibly better. Been thinking of doing this but it's going to take at least half a day from start to finish. It's already a pain to drive around LA on a weekday with traffic in the areas where the girls are at.[/QUOTE]Where's Sexy Lohan? She is the iconic Kdoll of the golden age.

Well its good to hear she's doing well. Sad that she is gone, atleast we can all have our memories of the excellent time she provided.

[QUOTE=Humyiy;4354908]Oh wow! The thread about Pornpan / Pornpom cracks me up! Because the details are too specific that I just realized it has to be the same girl I met randomly and dated but I was 90% sure she was providing as a relaxation assistant despite her adamant denials. Heinekens, wedge pillow, stripper pole, porn on TV. LOL. Exactly.

She moved back to Thailand and has a successful business. If it's the same girl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BobLove;4355024]Where's Sexy Lohan? She is the iconic Kdoll of the golden age.[/QUOTE]Been retired for years. If you know her and remember her you can run into her in the MDR area sometimes. Don't approach her!

[QUOTE=BobLove;4355024]Where's Sexy Lohan? She is the iconic Kdoll of the golden age.[/QUOTE]No idea, think she retired a few years ago. She was online alot on CV. Probably made a fortune and then disappeared. I never saw her but some people knew what happened. This is just what I read awhile ago.

[QUOTE=TheAbc;4355302]No idea, think she retired a few years ago. She was online alot on CV. Probably made a fortune and then disappeared. I never saw her but some people knew what happened. This is just what I read awhile ago.[/QUOTE]Retired a number of years ago.

[QUOTE=TheAbc;4354948]Since FOSTA, the average age of the girl seems to hover between 30 to 40 some. .[/QUOTE]Disagree, kgirls in the Bay Area, LV, NYC / NJ and even the OC are way younger than what you're saying. They're not all 30-40 in LA as what you're saying.

[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;4355309]Disagree, kgirls in the Bay Area, LV, NYC / NJ and even the OC are way younger than what you're saying. They're not all 30-40 in LA as what you're saying.[/QUOTE]Maybe over in other areas. My experience is only limited to the LA orgs and even then, just some of them. Perhaps you can be right. At least the ones I have been seeing were at least 30, if not older.

Is min worth checking out?

[QUOTE=ILoveKGirls;4354941]Ruby and Min are two badd ass Korean hoes. Newtop is worth it for these two. Ruby in particular is a fat ass Korean hoe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Humyiy;4354908]Oh wow! The thread about Pornpan / Pornpom cracks me up! Because the details are too specific that I just realized it has to be the same girl I met randomly and dated but I was 90% sure she was providing as a relaxation assistant despite her adamant denials. Heinekens, wedge pillow, stripper pole, porn on TV. LOL. Exactly.

She moved back to Thailand and has a successful business. If it's the same girl.[/QUOTE]The Pornpan I met had a yellow flower tattoo on her upper chest. If your girl had that, I'd say it's 100% match. She was a great provider!

If you want top tier pussy, especially after FOSTA / SESTA happened. Booker January had a girl naked Niki, nicest round ass that I've seen on a Kgirl, super Young, 23 from what it seemed as her body was very tight as well. It's all about TOFFT with these girls and see what's good. Otherwise move on to the indy girls to charge and arm and a leg.

[QUOTE=Kent747;4354618]Since FOSTA, these are my impressions for following agencies (Keep in mind I prefer co-ed FOB types over MILFs):

SAG: Most are 6/7 girls with OK to good performances.

Ca-kdolls: About 1/3 decent to good, 1/3 mediocre to average, 1/3 MILFs or no skills. No superstar at the moment.

Eukgirls: Most are 6/7 girls with OK to good performances.

[URL]ktownescort.com[/URL]: Mostly fake pics with mostly 6-7 girls with poor skills / attitudes.

I don't even bother with M's girls since they must be desperate / ugly / old to even offer BBFS.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheAbc;4354948]Respectfully, isn't this a bit harsh? Not to sound like a broken record, but with FOSTA, these girls are just going to go where the money is and it's not here in LA. This killed the quality of girls from the golden age 2007-2017. The hot ones know their value and will go whatever is best for them. But I do agree on average, the girls aren't as great in performance and definitely looks wise. Since FOSTA, the average age of the girl seems to hover between 30 to 40 some. The last girl I saw who actually looked like their posted age was Diane and she left 2 weeks after she got here. She was 1 out of many in recent memory. Much like any other thing that goes down in quality and that you need or want, you make the most of it. I'm sure we all want 8+ and under 25 but that ain't going to happen at the rate we pay. It's pretty inconvenient to fly to another city or country where the quality is possibly better. Been thinking of doing this but it's going to take at least half a day from start to finish. It's already a pain to drive around LA on a weekday with traffic in the areas where the girls are at.[/QUOTE]This BB blog is fascinating and not one I've seen anywhere else. It's provides a wealth of info to the LA hobbyist that's unique. Why doesn't the Bay Area have one since it's Kgirl population rivals LA with many PSE providers so what is the difference?

In the vast majority of towns, BB is YMMV. But here in LA BB seems to be expected from many regardless of whether you're a handsome young man or a gross fat elderly guy. Many long-term providers appear to be non-BB. Taylor, Cami, Lyn, Mio, Min and now even Glow are good examples. Maybe they've figured out to be sustainable money makers in this market they need to go that route.

I have never had the pleasure of meeting Glow and hope to in the near future. I see from posts that she is petite and slim body. But something I am concerned with is what I remember reading in an older post and wanted to confirm what may be encountered. Is her face attractive? I read that she may have bad teeth. Bad breathe or is this not accurate? This is a complete turn-off for me if it is the case. Thanks in advance for you input!!

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;4340229]I'm convinced she's bipolar and her laugh freaks me out. Great body and good fuck but man the personality shifts and ramblings keeps me away and reminds me of the good old adage "don't put your dick in crazy".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thud1;4356040]I have never had the pleasure of meeting Glow and hope to in the near future. I see from posts that she is petite and slim body. But something I am concerned with is what I remember reading in an older post and wanted to confirm what may be encountered. Is her face attractive? I read that she may have bad teeth. Bad breathe or is this not accurate? This is a complete turn-off for me if it is the case. Thanks in advance for you input!![/QUOTE]First, the good stuff. Glow has an awesome body. Bomb spinner with a cute ass. She is not in the Pantheon of Fat ass Korean hoes. She fucks well and has a good attitude.

The not so good. Her teeth are fucked up. Like distracting fucked up. I was worried how her chainsaw mouf was going to cut up my cock. Second, the hoe smokes cocks and cigarettes. Ugh, gross. I prefer to lick a woman's mouth after she sucks my cock and asshole before I kiss a smoker hoe. Major turn off in the grill department. Fucked up teeth and fucked up breath. She reminded me of an ashtray when we kissed.

Everyone has different taste, personally I think she's pretty but others may not like it. So as stated before, everyone has different taste. Her services are really good tho. So take that info for what it is and Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Thud1;4356040]I have never had the pleasure of meeting Glow and hope to in the near future. I see from posts that she is petite and slim body. But something I am concerned with is what I remember reading in an older post and wanted to confirm what may be encountered. Is her face attractive? I read that she may have bad teeth. Bad breathe or is this not accurate? This is a complete turn-off for me if it is the case. Thanks in advance for you input!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoleInOne32;4355992]This BB blog is fascinating and not one I've seen anywhere else. It's provides a wealth of info to the LA hobbyist that's unique. Why doesn't the Bay Area have one since it's Kgirl population rivals LA with many PSE providers so what is the difference?

In the vast majority of towns, BB is YMMV. But here in LA BB seems to be expected from many regardless of whether you're a handsome young man or a gross fat elderly guy. Many long-term providers appear to be non-BB. Taylor, Cami, Lyn, Mio, Min and now even Glow are good examples. Maybe they've figured out to be sustainable money makers in this market they need to go that route.[/QUOTE]BB is the norm in Norcal, not Socal.

From J.

Photos: Different girl or major P.S. Done.

Looks: Classic Korean cute look, 5'7", lovely natural DD's, average ass, bald kitty. Soft curves all around, not stocky but neither is she a spinner.

English: Minimal.

Attitude: Friendly but with slightly narcissistic tendencies. She will take control of the session if you don't rein her in and enjoys looking at and fondling herself in the mirror during multiple positions and acts.

Service: Toss up. BBBJ was good and playful. DATY was not that receptive. CS was intense. RCG squat was porn perfect. Mish was a pleasure with her bouncing tits. The thing is she rushes through them, making sure to check all the right marks but all were short-lived. She will get into it but it appears more to make her horny than to satisfy you. The long and short of it is to slow her down and focus on acts that you like and you'll have a good time. By the way, love the tit play and she likes a lot of pressure so it was stress ball relieving time.

Expense: $270.

Repeat: On the fence. I'll repeat once more to see if it gets better. I would recommend she's worth at least one visit if you are a large natural tits fan.

[QUOTE=ILoveKGirls;4356345]First, the good stuff. Glow has an awesome body. Bomb spinner with a cute ass. She is not in the Pantheon of Fat ass Korean hoes. She fucks well and has a good attitude.

The not so good. Her teeth are fucked up. Like distracting fucked up. I was worried how her chainsaw mouf was going to cut up my cock. Second, the hoe smokes cocks and cigarettes. Ugh, gross. I prefer to lick a woman's mouth after she sucks my cock and asshole before I kiss a smoker hoe. Major turn off in the grill department. Fucked up teeth and fucked up breath. She reminded me of an ashtray when we kissed.[/QUOTE]I would assume that since she's been around for a while that she should have made a few bucks and could have invested in a nice smile; but who knows where her mind set is. I saw her a number of years ago when she was using the name Joy and don't remember her teeth. Maybe they have deteriorated since then or maybe I just wasn't that observant. What I do remember was that she seemed to have some loose marbles rolling around in her head- enough that I never went back. Very sad.

[QUOTE=Veni1;4356682]I would assume that since she's been around for a while that she should have made a few bucks and could have invested in a nice smile; but who knows where her mind set is. I saw her a number of years ago when she was using the name Joy and don't remember her teeth. Maybe they have deteriorated since then or maybe I just wasn't that observant. What I do remember was that she seemed to have some loose marbles rolling around in her head- enough that I never went back. Very sad.[/QUOTE]So, if Glow started doing bare again? I bet all these people who complaining about her looks will be the 1st ones calling or texting for appt. LOL.

And, NO Glow is not allowing bare!

[QUOTE=Thud1;4356040]I have never had the pleasure of meeting Glow and hope to in the near future. I see from posts that she is petite and slim body. But something I am concerned with is what I remember reading in an older post and wanted to confirm what may be encountered. Is her face attractive? I read that she may have bad teeth. Bad breathe or is this not accurate? This is a complete turn-off for me if it is the case. Thanks in advance for you input!![/QUOTE]Her room pretty dark but I can still tell she has attractive face. Never notices her teeth or taste her bad breath before.

Can't remember her having fucked up teeth, then again I don't really look out or observe their teeth LOL only thing I can remember is filling her mouth with my jizz LOL and her rambling in Korean from time to time.

[QUOTE=ILoveKGirls;4356345]First, the good stuff. Glow has an awesome body. Bomb spinner with a cute ass. She is not in the Pantheon of Fat ass Korean hoes. She fucks well and has a good attitude.

The not so good. Her teeth are fucked up. Like distracting fucked up. I was worried how her chainsaw mouf was going to cut up my cock. Second, the hoe smokes cocks and cigarettes. Ugh, gross. I prefer to lick a woman's mouth after she sucks my cock and asshole before I kiss a smoker hoe. Major turn off in the grill department. Fucked up teeth and fucked up breath. She reminded me of an ashtray when we kissed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;4356672]From J.

Photos: Different girl or major P.S. Done.

Looks: Classic Korean cute look, 5'7", lovely natural DD's, average ass, bald kitty. Soft curves all around, not stocky but neither is she a spinner.

English: Minimal.

Attitude: Friendly but with slightly narcissistic tendencies. She will take control of the session if you don't rein her in and enjoys looking at and fondling herself in the mirror during multiple positions and acts.

Service: Toss up. BBBJ was good and playful. DATY was not that receptive. CS was intense. RCG squat was porn perfect. Mish was a pleasure with her bouncing tits. The thing is she rushes through them, making sure to check all the right marks but all were short-lived. She will get into it but it appears more to make her horny than to satisfy you. The long and short of it is to slow her down and focus on acts that you like and you'll have a good time. By the way, love the tit play and she likes a lot of pressure so it was stress ball relieving time.

Expense: $270.

Repeat: On the fence. I'll repeat once more to see if it gets better. I would recommend she's worth at least one visit if you are a large natural tits fan.[/QUOTE]Forgot to add, LFK was limited, no DFK whatsoever.

Anyone seen this chick yet? The website link says it's for Raina but she shows up as Nana in the titles.

[URL]https://www.sweetasiangem.com/raina[/URL]

Usually with J's girl, I laid them down and DATY for a good period of time and hop on to P2 P mish.

If they get too horny and think you are clean and acceptable, they will let you BBFS. From J is very YMMY.

Did you got to BBFS with Lrya?

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;4356672]From J.

Photos: Different girl or major P.S. Done.

Looks: Classic Korean cute look, 5'7", lovely natural DD's, average ass, bald kitty. Soft curves all around, not stocky but neither is she a spinner.

English: Minimal.

Attitude: Friendly but with slightly narcissistic tendencies. She will take control of the session if you don't rein her in and enjoys looking at and fondling herself in the mirror during multiple positions and acts.

Service: Toss up. BBBJ was good and playful. DATY was not that receptive. CS was intense. RCG squat was porn perfect. Mish was a pleasure with her bouncing tits. The thing is she rushes through them, making sure to check all the right marks but all were short-lived. She will get into it but it appears more to make her horny than to satisfy you. The long and short of it is to slow her down and focus on acts that you like and you'll have a good time. By the way, love the tit play and she likes a lot of pressure so it was stress ball relieving time.

Expense: $270.

Repeat: On the fence. I'll repeat once more to see if it gets better. I would recommend she's worth at least one visit if you are a large natural tits fan.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone tried asking if any of the girls would be willing to let you take photos or video of them? I should just ask, but was kinda afraid to ask.

[QUOTE=Kent747;4354618]Since FOSTA, these are my impressions for following agencies (Keep in mind I prefer co-ed FOB types over MILFs):

SAG: Most are 6/7 girls with OK to good performances.

CA-KDolls: About 1/3 decent to good, 1/3 mediocre to average, 1/3 MILFs or no skills. No superstar at the moment.

Eukgirls: Most are 6/7 girls with OK to good performances.

ktownescort.com: Mostly fake pics with mostly 6-7 girls with poor skills / attitudes.

I don't even bother with M's girls since they must be desperate / ugly / old to even offer BBFS.[/QUOTE]SAG Girls: I agree-It is mostly 5-6 on look and performance. Even Sexy Shannon was a CRAP of a performance for me.

CA-KDolls: The old crew, Rebecca Mindy7, Chloe and Cami are the the superstars; I never cared for Mio, Chanel or Iris (Now at OC Branch). I hear new crews are HIT and MISS on 50% basis.

Eukgirls: Right on Spot-This booker works the hardest to get your trust.

Ktown Escorts: Pass.

M Girls: She had some great one in past 18 months: Allison (10 look, 8 service, CFS), DianA (10 look. 10 service, BBFS), Rina, Haven and Sweet Allie, Chanel and Cona but rests were not so stellar.

[QUOTE=Jack926;4357188]

Eukgirls: Right on Spot-This booker works the hardest to get your trust.

[/QUOTE]I've read a lot of mixed reports for this booker, any recommendations? As far as I know none are bare so they hopefully are younger / actually attractive.