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[QUOTE=UkiEater;2586655]"Hey, I recognize this guy. He came out of Tokyo Spa. I wonder who he had?[/QUOTE]I once ran into a local TV sports commentator in the hallway of Rose Marie going to a room with a Korean provider. He had a towel over his head to hide himself, but I recognize him and later asked my provider if indeed he worked for the local TV station, she said he comes often. He probably not getting any from the wife and not my business to be concern about.
[QUOTE=Lomion;2586703]Well that exactly is my point hence wondering if it's Asian / Oceanic cultural thing because anywhere else I have lived you would say exactly that and then talk story about it including at work, etc. Never been around folk until here which considered mongering something odd or shameful; just another hobby. Hell you would even head to the whorehouse or AMP with some buds, relatives, or co-workers (INSTEAD of a strip club) non-issue; hell might even stand in line for the same girl and give them shit about it.
It's not about running into friends, co-workers, family, etc and having uncomfortable looks or conversations, it's more even if you did those conversations or looks don't even happen except here in my experience. What would happen is you shoot the shit for a second just like you would if ran into them at the grocery store.
P.S. : When the hell did a five letter word starting with wh and ending with e for a provider become a swear (I. E. Lots of asterisks) on here?[/QUOTE]As Joe Pesci said in Lethal Weapon 2, "coooooome ooooooooon. ".
Mongering in American society ABSOLUTELY carries a stigma akin to any illegal activity that, oh, by the way, also illustrates a certain personal level of anti-social sexual desperation in the willingness to pay for risky sexual favors from "whor_s" instead of copulation the traditional God-fearing "decent" way via virginity and propriety before marriage.
In my time mongering here, Hawaii, a culturally diverse American community with infinitesimal degrees of separation, is directly akin to towns and cities in the Midwest where neighbors meet each other in the community, raise each others' kids, and see each other driving down the street. No way, no how is mongering "just a normal hobby" that folks just happily share with each other there, so why would the same discretion be an Asian / Oceanic cultural thing here?
By the same token, no way are Hawaiian mongers unique in how they manage privacy and discretion. I'd argue that vast majority of mongers I've met or seen anywhere (mongering in their hometown) ABSOLUTELY take privacy and discretion into prime consideration. It's called self-preservation. For example, hanging out with a group of foreign monger strangers you'll never see again in Bangkok's red-light district? Yeah, privacy and discretion are out the window. Hanging out with your neighbor, kid's friend's parents, professional colleagues, or soccer moms at a game? You're likely not talking about the ho you just paid for sex last night, no matter where you live.
That said, there's also "anywhere else I have lived," and then there's, "anywhere else I have lived. In a frat-house, trailer park, truck stop, military base, or ho's-paradise" (nothing personal or directed). Point being that maturity, class, education, background, and societal / community disconnectedness, friend / coworker / family bonding through mongering, etc all play a role in one's regard or disregard for privacy and discretion. A certain demographic of mongerer would be more discrete and other demographics would be comfortable openly sharing with friends, co-workers, family that they pay whor_s for sex. If those same friends, co-workers, family are also openly sharing that they're also paying whor_s for sex back. , more power to you all but I'll stay right here and enjoy the privacy and discretion with my Hawaiian monger Bros.
Imua.
[QUOTE=Lomion;2582920]Amen on that one. I think all of us of a certain size know what it's like to bottom out and the affect it has on the woman. It's a real shooting pain (couple chicks I know have described it like a hot knife in the gut), not a "discomfort", and nobody enjoys it including the dude (as not fun to ram up against or see the honest wincing on their part); last time I did there was no "grin and bear it", chick stopped everything and jumped out bed ending the behavior in seconds with that "OMFG that hurt" expression. As for that other shit, well that's why they make lube and girth isn't an issue, kids come out that hole (medical treatment level required vaginal tearing from well lubricated penile insertion among consenting adults is pretty rare, penis fractures are vastly more common). I think it's fair to see most of us (I'm surely not and in my experience neither are most of the mongers on here) aren't here to hurt women but same time, we also aren't here to get ripped off as most of the providers if they could get away with it would prefer you just show up, hand them the money, and immediately leave because "looking at them hurts".
When I go to Home Depot and open up a can of paint only to discover it's only half full I'm expecting either all my money back or, if I'm fine the amount in the can, it pro-rated and a partial refund (both for my missing half and my troubles). Fat chance in hell if you think the provider who promised a service is going to refund you all or any of your money* because you are "too big" Now I will give you for some of these girls it might not be comfortable getting jack-hammered deep all day and night and as a result would prefer you not do it but discomfort or dislike isn't pain or too big; they can get out the business, see less customers, charge less, or be up front and advertise honestly "I do FS but you aren't allowed to stick more than 3 inches in because my pussy sore from too much dick". As HiPickle said, basically just a scam to get more money for less service.
* I will say I can't say never. I stumbled into a random super hot mulatto provider in Amsterdam two decades ago and the discussion went like "Interested", "Only if you do anal", "I don't", "I'm leaving", "Well I can try", "To big", "Let me give you your money back, interested in a BBBJCIM for half? "sure". Now I was a young new monger back then and it may have been a sales scam but TBH even looking back today I don't think it was. I'm also betting most of the higher end pro's (not SW's, AMP's, etc) would also do something similar as they are after repeat business, not quantity.[/QUOTE]Bottoming out isn't that same for all chicks and its certainly never hurt me. Bottoming out in any pro can be trouble because potentially she has been fucked 5,6,7, even 10 times that day. Girth isn't an issue? Wrong again. Its a YMMV issue as well. Some chicks like the pressure. Physiology has everything to do with it. Some chicks get more naturally lubricated than others. Some chicks are looser, some chicks get stretched out. I think its safe to say you don't know much about fucking.
[QUOTE=Lomion;2586703]Well that exactly is my point hence wondering if it's Asian / Oceanic cultural thing because anywhere else I have lived you would say exactly that and then talk story about it including at work, etc. Never been around folk until here which considered mongering something odd or shameful; just another hobby. Hell you would even head to the whorehouse or AMP with some buds, relatives, or co-workers (INSTEAD of a strip club) non-issue; hell might even stand in line for the same girl and give them shit about it.
It's not about running into friends, co-workers, family, etc and having uncomfortable looks or conversations, it's more even if you did those conversations or looks don't even happen except here in my experience. What would happen is you shoot the shit for a second just like you would if ran into them at the grocery store.
P.S. : When the hell did a five letter word starting with wh and ending with e for a provider become a swear (I. E. Lots of asterisks) on here?[/QUOTE]Where the hell are you from that mongering isn't taboo? Got to throw up the bullshit flag there. First off its far less organized or common on the mainland. Hawaii is like a gateway to the Asian way of life as far as whoring goes. Even in Big US Cities its rare to be able to get the level of mongering you get here per capita. IF anything its far more accepted here. Its not nearly as taboo for the girls. From AMPs to Indys to Streetwalkers, most of the girls in Hawaii are far more comfortable and open about it. I know local asian guys whose SOs quietly accept their Beau's go and see AMP girls or to buy the Bargirls drinks. Most local gals are much more accepting that Korean Bargirls do what they do or even the massagey girls for that matter. You would never see that on the mainland.
[QUOTE=MuffinStuffer;2588426]I think its safe to say you don't know much about fucking.[/QUOTE]I think we are using the same terminology for different things. When I say bottoming out I mean, and only mean, when you your cock rams up against their cervix which, at least in my experience, def has caused pain with the chicks (and ones I'm not paying either so no point to lie about it). I don't really care about "discomfort" from girth, with enough lube it ain't going to cause unbearable pain and ain't going to cause damage (vaginal tearing is what we are worried about here). Where I'm going with this is my concern for the the chick (to the earlier point about "me to big and faking it") is about pain and injury, discomfort or enjoyment I could give a rats ass about as I don't get enjoyment and comfort handing them money either. They are taking my cash to take my entire dick, their actual preferences are pretty irrelevant at that point outside safety. Folk I forget I think sometimes this is a service industry and we, not them, are the customers.
So let me state one thing I really can't stand about this state is this inferiority complex everybody whose local seems to have about "us v. Mainland" and how they take everything as an attack, etc. Like it or not Hawaii is part of America and has been part of America for longer than it was Hawaii. And to Getting Old's point, that whole "ohana" shit is part of the problem because what it leads to is a complete disregard and disrespect for anybody outside that ohana. It's why corruption and nepotism plague here just like all of Asia and Polynesia. I don't need a lecture on "taught to respect our women" and " I respect my sisters or go with any relative" because, while true (to a point though sexual abuse and abuse / assault of family member rates are higher in Hawaii than nearly anywhere else in the USA so even that's a joke), what it means is a complete lack of respect for others women, others sisters, and others relatives that you are banging; after all that provider is somebodies kid, wife, or sister. It also why Hawaii ranks low in charitable givings and treat our homeless like shit (or even still have the world haole) because it's a secular inbred state which is all about protecting the ohana as opposed to doing what's right or respecting strangers / everybody. But anyways I digress here because I'm not trying to turn this in to a local / mainland / etc rant which is (to my original sentence) everybody on this damn island immediately jumps to when you question a local behavior because for God's sake when I'm in Utah and ask "Why you do XYZ" the response isn't "because the other 49 states are horrible, oppress us, etc". And don't give me that haole trailer park or ghetto shit, this entire island is basically one big ass trailer park (which ofc once again shows the locals true color about "respecting women" . Because obviously crack heads aren't aren't part of their ohana); jalousies, tin roof, single walled dwellings with giant flags, lifted trucks, an inability to the say the letter r, seven kids, and fat dudes sitting around drinking or toking on their porch. Face it Waianae ain't far removed that a Alabama trailer park.
Anyways to the other comments, no I'm not military nor young (well into my fourth decade and been mongering since I was 19) and I work for a multinational so I've lived all over the world and no nobody in Germany is going bat an eye when you go to a FKK club with your brother, nobody in Dubai is going to bat an eye when you bring two Russian girls home from the Cyclone club or pick up a third wife purely as a sex toy, nobody Ethiopia going to bat an eye when you buy a refugee chick for some food and shelter, and hell even in the Midwest nobody batting an eye at the third shift working class bar when you buy the barfly for her tab. And yes my family, co-workers, boss, and hell pretty much anybody I talk to know and sure I would even bring it up with the girl I'm dating IF it came up. She doesn't know (nor do most folk in my life) I like to collect skeleton keys also (for real and don't ask) but not because I'm ashamed of it but because when I'm making conversation it's not a hobby most folk would find interesting so why bring it up; I don't bring up religion or politics either for that matter. Still if whoring comes up then yes I do openly talk about my hobby and if not then I talk like normal people talk, about mutually interesting things like sports, weather, WTF Auntie Jenny is doing this week, some good eats, and why traffic so God awful here. Yet when I'm with sex hobbyists, whether than my co-worker or my uncle, we talk all sorts of shop about which girl, which establishments, pricing strategies, etc and will do so at a business lunch or the family table.
Now when I say "nobody" I don't mean everybody, what I mean, and what folk seemed to miss here, is contextual. This entire conversation starter was about the monger community hence I don't really care about your aunt, sister, pastor, etc; I'm not going to run into them walking through the hallways of Empire unless they working or playing there. What I'm saying here is in my experience mongering around the damn world I'm never seen such crazy paranoid secrecy IN THE HALLS OF THE WHOREHOUSE (AMP, massage parlor, whatever you want to call them) and that is the ONLY context I'm talking here and that's what I'm curious about. Look if you and your kid's elementary school teacher run into each other at the VIP, who cares; it's like running into them at a crackhouse. You are both in the hobby so you can count on each other to STFU and not talk about it in polite company. If you run into your bosses boss, ditto. It's not like he is going to call your wife and be like "Hey I ran into your husband at the whorehouse". I'm not about interactions with NON-HOBBYISTS which is where folk seemed to take this. So something is particular unique in my experience about how secretive mongers are WITH EACH OTHER to the point they can't even have a five second hallway passing or feel embarrassed / shamed seeing each other on the elevator at CC and the AMPs go out their way out traffic control to try and ensure folk don't run into each other; that's what I find curious and that's something I find uniquely local. Quit trying to blow this up outside that context but I wasn't going there.
Or to use Macko69 scale, everybody here is talking about "4" interacting with "1" at Safeway or hell even "4" talking to "3" in Church. What I find interesting is the craziness around a 4 talking to another 2/3/4 IN THE DAMN AMP ITSELF.
[QUOTE=DickTracy25;2588338]Listen up old fart, if you have Brad Pitt look and a live cock, you have chance with any Princess. Has boy friend. So what? Last week I fucked this princess, she has a old goat boy friend buy her Lexus, but he has a limp cock can't put out in bed, why do you think princess always come to young Brad for satisfaction?[/QUOTE]Hey howzit brad. Nice of you to add your thoughts here in a massagey forum.
I'll try to keep the lid on this can of worms if possible. I think, in part, the mongering scene in Honolulu is not a bro-fest is because we have one of the highest densities in the USA With more people per square mile. It means we are compressed into a relatively small living space and the odds of running into someone you know increases. In a metro area on the mainland (with an exception of NYC but then their population size creates its own buffer), you can literally disappear and go to neighborhoods where "nobody knows your name". Here, it ain't so. Another contributor mentioned look how guys act in Thailand, or P. I. , etc. You can let loose cause you ain't never going to see those guys again. Here? Well just how many shopping malls do we have. Quick answer Not that Many. So you run into people you know a lot. Couple that with a population that is not that mobile (as compared to mainland cities). Folks grow up, live, die here without (some) ever leaving the state. Screw up your reputation in Detroit? Move to Cleveland. Screw it up here and you could be a marked man for the rest of your life. Point is that Honolulu has a lot of compression that makes for guys being a bit more secretive about their activities. Ain't got nothing to do with white / black / Asian / local / mainland I'm speculating.
Ss.
[QUOTE=SlideHammer;2589098]Hey howzit brad. Nice of you to add your thoughts here in a massagey forum.[/QUOTE]I still don't understand. For a guy who he thinks his brad pitt or good looking like him. Why the fuck would he go to the kb. I'm just asking. Unless his real name is brad and looks like a arm pitt then he is telling the truth. Pretty much I can see why he had to spent a lot on his ex.
[QUOTE=Lomion;2588979]
Now when I say "nobody" I don't mean everybody, what I mean, and what folk seemed to miss here, is contextual. This entire conversation starter was about the monger community hence I don't really care about your aunt, sister, pastor, etc; I'm not going to run into them walking through the hallways of Empire unless they working or playing there. What I'm saying here is in my experience mongering around the damn world I'm never seen such crazy paranoid secrecy IN THE HALLS OF THE WHOREHOUSE (AMP, massage parlor, whatever you want to call them) and that is the ONLY context I'm talking here and that's what I'm curious about. Look if you and your kid's elementary school teacher run into each other at the VIP, who cares; it's like running into them at a crackhouse. You are both in the hobby so you can count on each other to STFU and not talk about it in polite company. If you run into your bosses boss, ditto. It's not like he is going to call your wife and be like "Hey I ran into your husband at the whorehouse". I'm not about interactions with NON-HOBBYISTS which is where folk seemed to take this. So something is particular unique in my experience about how secretive mongers are WITH EACH OTHER to the point they can't even have a five second hallway passing or feel embarrassed / shamed seeing each other on the elevator at CC and the AMPs go out their way out traffic control to try and ensure folk don't run into each other; that's what I find curious and that's something I find uniquely local. Quit trying to blow this up outside that context but I wasn't going there.[/QUOTE]No, the context that you put your comments in weren't limited just to conversations you have at an AMP. Here's what you said in your comment that I originally responded to was this:
[QUOTE=Lomion;2586703]Well that exactly is my point hence wondering if it's Asian / Oceanic cultural thing because anywhere else I have lived you would say exactly that and then talk story about it including at work, etc. Never been around folk until here which considered mongering something odd or shameful; just another hobby. [/QUOTE]You obviously think that people outside of Hawaii openly talk about mongering at work. I doubt that it's as common as you seem to think.
In regards to your comment: "You are both in the hobby so you can count on each other to STFU and not talk about it in polite company. ", I also disagree. Just because someone is in the hobby too doesn't mean they'll have the same beliefs about how discrete they should be. Maybe the other person is single and they don't give a fuck what other people think about them, so they don't mind if everyone knows about their mongering hobby. We all know people like that. I have relatives like that. I don't want someone like that to be telling everyone stories about the time he saw me at Top Spa (or wherever). I have kids. I have a lot of clients who rely on my advice, mostly women. I have aunties, uncles, neighbors and friends who look up to me as a "good boy". I don't want these people to know my sexual proclivities. It's not "crazy paranoid secrecy" like you make it out to be. It's just taking reasonable steps to limit the amount of people who know about my hobby. The less other people know, the less I need to worry about.
I would prefer not to see any other dudes at AMPs, but if I do, oh well, so be it. Yeah, I don't make eye contact or conversation with other guys at AMPs. Why should I look at them and make small talk? I'm not going there to make buddies with other guys.
If you want to be open about it with certain people in your life, good for you. But it's kind of foolish if you can't understand why on an island like Oahu, certain guys like to keep their illegal hobby a secret. Anyone who can't understand that is an idiot.
Listen up old fart, if you have Brad Pitt look and a live cock, you have chance with any Princess. Has boy friend. So what? Last week I fucked this princess, she has a old goat boy friend buy her Lexus, but he has a limp cock can't put out in bed, why do you think princess always come to young Brad for satisfaction?
I guess you are not taking brother John's advice. It's your choice no use taking to a redundant, intecutically stunted individual like yourself. It is really sad but in this world it does take all kinds. I am reminded what brother A2 mentioned to me after the first infraction or there abouts: "All Trolls are pathetic" or something to that nature.
I would like the name of the "Old Goat" and refer him to the Hawaii Male clinic they have something to fix that limp dick and he going make that KBG earn her rent money and car payments after his first visit. I guarantee that, hell, all you need is money. And old goats have money. Young goats do not have.
I am pretty sick of you comparing yourself to Brad Pitt as you don't look like him and you do not even have 1/1,000,000 of his estimated worth. You are in your fantasy world again and I wish someone would wake you up from this nightmare. Since I don't see your posts so much the better I saw a shirt today at the "made in Hawaii" show at the Blaisdell arena and the adjourning meeting rooms when I saw that shirt though it fit, it was a CSI shirt=.
'Can't Stand Idiots" I almost bought the bugga. But then I did have a parent with me at the time. Good luck in your life cause it is really messed up IMHO. Get a life!
P.S. HOW much did Brad Pitt have to pay for the session? $200-$300-$400? It's all gravy for her you just extra spending money, think about it. If you can think.
If I am following your logic correctly, you should have no problem divulging your real name here in this forum since you are among your "mongering community". You should have total confidence that your name does not somehow "leak out" somewhere that you wouldn't feel comfortable with. But then again, according to your statements, such a place does not exist.
[QUOTE=Lomion;2588979]So let me state one thing I really can't stand about this state is this inferiority complex everybody whose local seems to have about "us v. Mainland" and how they take everything as an attack, etc. Like it or not Hawaii is part of America and has been part of America for longer than it was Hawaii. And to Getting Old's point, that whole "ohana" shit is part of the problem because what it leads to is a complete disregard and disrespect for anybody outside that ohana. It's why corruption and nepotism plague here just like all of Asia and Polynesia. I don't need a lecture on "taught to respect our women" and " I respect my sisters or go with any relative" because, while true (to a point though sexual abuse and abuse / assault of family member rates are higher in Hawaii than nearly anywhere else in the USA so even that's a joke), what it means is a complete lack of respect for others women, others sisters, and others relatives that you are banging; after all that provider is somebodies kid, wife, or sister. It also why Hawaii ranks low in charitable givings and treat our homeless like shit (or even still have the world haole) because it's a secular inbred state which is all about protecting the ohana as opposed to doing what's right or respecting strangers / everybody. But anyways I digress here because I'm not trying to turn this in to a local / mainland / etc rant which is (to my original sentence) everybody on this damn island immediately jumps to when you question a local behavior because for God's sake when I'm in Utah and ask "Why you do XYZ" the response isn't "because the other 49 states are horrible, oppress us, etc". And don't give me that haole trailer park or ghetto shit, this entire island is basically one big ass trailer park (which ofc once again shows the locals true color about "respecting women" . Because obviously crack heads aren't aren't part of their ohana); jalousies, tin roof, single walled dwellings with giant flags, lifted trucks, an inability to the say the letter r, seven kids, and fat dudes sitting around drinking or toking on their porch. Face it Waianae ain't far removed that a Alabama trailer park.
Anyways to the other comments, no I'm not military nor young (well into my fourth decade and been mongering since I was 19) and I work for a multinational so I've lived all over the world and no nobody in Germany is going bat an eye when you go to a FKK club with your brother, nobody in Dubai is going to bat an eye when you bring two Russian girls home from the Cyclone club or pick up a third wife purely as a sex toy, nobody Ethiopia going to bat an eye when you buy a refugee chick for some food and shelter, and hell even in the Midwest nobody batting an eye at the third shift working class bar when you buy the barfly for her tab. And yes my family, co-workers, boss, and hell pretty much anybody I talk to know and sure I would even bring it up with the girl I'm dating IF it came up. She doesn't know (nor do most folk in my life) I like to collect skeleton keys also (for real and don't ask) but not because I'm ashamed of it but because when I'm making conversation it's not a hobby most folk would find interesting so why bring it up; I don't bring up religion or politics either for that matter. Still if whoring comes up then yes I do openly talk about my hobby and if not then I talk like normal people talk, about mutually interesting things like sports, weather, WTF Auntie Jenny is doing this week, some good eats, and why traffic so God awful here. Yet when I'm with sex hobbyists, whether than my co-worker or my uncle, we talk all sorts of shop about which girl, which establishments, pricing strategies, etc and will do so at a business lunch or the family table.
Now when I say "nobody" I don't mean everybody, what I mean, and what folk seemed to miss here, is contextual. This entire conversation starter was about the monger community hence I don't really care about your aunt, sister, pastor, etc; I'm not going to run into them walking through the hallways of Empire unless they working or playing there. What I'm saying here is in my experience mongering around the damn world I'm never seen such crazy paranoid secrecy IN THE HALLS OF THE WHOREHOUSE (AMP, massage parlor, whatever you want to call them) and that is the ONLY context I'm talking here and that's what I'm curious about. Look if you and your kid's elementary school teacher run into each other at the VIP, who cares; it's like running into them at a crackhouse. You are both in the hobby so you can count on each other to STFU and not talk about it in polite company. If you run into your bosses boss, ditto. It's not like he is going to call your wife and be like "Hey I ran into your husband at the whorehouse". I'm not about interactions with NON-HOBBYISTS which is where folk seemed to take this. So something is particular unique in my experience about how secretive mongers are WITH EACH OTHER to the point they can't even have a five second hallway passing or feel embarrassed / shamed seeing each other on the elevator at CC and the AMPs go out their way out traffic control to try and ensure folk don't run into each other; that's what I find curious and that's something I find uniquely local. Quit trying to blow this up outside that context but I wasn't going there.
Or to use Macko69 scale, everybody here is talking about "4" interacting with "1" at Safeway or hell even "4" talking to "3" in Church. What I find interesting is the craziness around a 4 talking to another 2/3/4 IN THE DAMN AMP ITSELF.[/QUOTE]
No we don't do real names because of illegal activities, not for embarrassment. I talk about exploits with girls past the statute of limitations all the time under my real name on Facebook. I truly don't care outside LEO who knows I monger. I've talked about my past illegal drug use openly also, this shit not bother me. I'm just not one to give a rats ass about what folk do on their personal time. It's like gay marriage WTF do I care, they ain't making me marry a man. If my mom is interested who I paid to suck me off ten minutes ago she is free to ask and I would tell her. I don't get this shame crap over mongering, after all all girls are providers, some you just have to pay for with a ring or dinner. Either way you trading resources for sex.
But all that irrelevant to the fact people can't stand to have a two minute elevator conversation in CC over who you both just fucked.
[QUOTE=Macko69;2589223]No, the context that you put your comments in weren't limited just to conversations you have at an AMP. Here's what you said in your comment that I originally responded to was this:
You obviously think that people outside of Hawaii openly talk about mongering at work. I doubt that it's as common as you seem to think.
In regards to your comment: "You are both in the hobby so you can count on each other to STFU and not talk about it in polite company. ", I also disagree. Just because someone is in the hobby too doesn't mean they'll have the same beliefs about how discrete they should be. Maybe the other person is single and they don't give a fuck what other people think about them, so they don't mind if everyone knows about their mongering hobby. We all know people like that. I have relatives like that. I don't want someone like that to be telling everyone stories about the time he saw me at Top Spa (or wherever). I have kids. I have a lot of clients who rely on my advice, mostly women. I have aunties, uncles, neighbors and friends who look up to me as a "good boy". I don't want these people to know my sexual proclivities. It's not "crazy paranoid secrecy" like you make it out to be. It's just taking reasonable steps to limit the amount of people who know about my hobby. The less other people know, the less I need to worry about.
I would prefer not to see any other dudes at AMPs, but if I do, oh well, so be it. Yeah, I don't make eye contact or conversation with other guys at AMPs. Why should I look at them and make small talk? I'm not going there to make buddies with other guys.
If you want to be open about it with certain people in your life, good for you. But it's kind of foolish if you can't understand why on an island like Oahu, certain guys like to keep their illegal hobby a secret. Anyone who can't understand that is an idiot.[/QUOTE]The one time a guy tried to talk to me outside an AMP, I thought it was weird, I just muttered something non-committal and left. The next time I was there the girls told me he was an undercover LE.
[QUOTE=Lomion;2589434]I don't get this shame crap over mongering, after all all girls are providers, some you just have to pay for with a ring or dinner. Either way you trading resources for sex.
But all that irrelevant to the fact people can't stand to have a two minute elevator conversation in CC over who you both just fucked.[/QUOTE]Ah, I see what's going on now. You try to chat up some dude in an elevator after you both mongered at the same place and he gave you the cold shoulder so it hurt your feelings. It could very well be that he wasn't ashamed. After all, how the fuck would you know what he was thinking? You probably came on too strong and he wasn't liking the vibe you put out so he was trying to ignore you.
So you're open to all sorts of people in your life knowing you monger. Good for you. But if you are unable to understand why other guys might not want people to know and tend to be secretive about it, well, that's a sign of immaturity and a lack of imagination on your part that you can't put yourself in someone else's shoes and understand why they'd do this. Sometimes it might be shame. Other times it's about self preservation, as someone mentioned earlier. You don't know.
And that crap about ". All women are providers. Trading resources for sex. " Yeah, that shit is archaic and laughable. The reason why some guys feel like this is low self esteem. They can't even imagine that a woman would be with them just because she wanted to, or that she had sex because she wanted it. They feel that a woman only wants to be with them if they're giving something in return like dinners or jewelry. Who knows, maybe in your case it's true?
Anyway, from your earlier post, it seems you're really disgruntled with life in Hawaii. If you really feel this way, you should probably move. Obviously, people in the USA And around the world don't really share your disdain for Hawaii. People are willing to pay a huge premium to live here because it's pretty fucking awesome to live here. If you can't appreciate it, do yourself a favor and leave.