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[QUOTE=StarFighter01;7114444]Good luck with getting a decent response from her. This first time we met, she couldn't get a room because the whole was booked up, yet she still wanted me to pay her for showing up (which I did not) She had my half of the room money in her hand and wouldn't give it back. I snatched her I'd out of her other hand and suddenly she had no choice but to give me back what was mine. The second time we met, we managed to get a room, and halfway into the deed, she decided she couldn't fit "me" inside of her. She offered to refund a small amount of money but wanted the lion's share. I told her we only had been trying for 20 minutes but then she decided the time for me to get the room and all the time in the parking lot counted towards her "hour'. I gave her a warning to get the fuck out before I decided not to be so forgiving. She is a meth head. She is like most of the others on STG. Garbage. Good luck to you. She is definitely on my "FUCK NO" list.[/QUOTE]Do you have a link for this one?

Goaty.

[QUOTE=OldGoaty;7114496]Do you have a link for this one?

Goaty.[/QUOTE][URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/caucasian_w/only-text-or-call-if-you-are-d/247391459106[/URL]

[QUOTE=IrishMan6;7113950]Don't trust Ashley from Pekin she will rob you. I had seen her on a few occasions without any issues. well Wednesday night I scheduled a visit with her and she she robbed me someone who I assume is her boyfriend came in threatening me and took my money be aware.[/QUOTE]I've never had a bad meeting with her but I haven't seen her in a while. I recently started dating someone and with having a girlfriend, I'm out of the hobby.

[QUOTE=OldGoaty;7114148]I saw her Tuesday afternoon. I suspect the vitamin H has gotten the best of her. On a side note, she loves to be eaten and just about jumps off the bed when she cuts.

Goaty.[/QUOTE]When you say Vitamnin H what are you referring to?

[QUOTE=Trippitt;7114523]When you say Vitamnin H what are you referring to?[/QUOTE]Heroin or vitamin M. Meth.

Goaty.

[QUOTE=OldGoaty;7114546]Heroin or vitamin M. Meth.

Goaty.[/QUOTE]I have seen Ashley on numerous occasions and I have never seen her do anything that is remotely close to what is being said about her right now. She smokes weed but it seems that most people do nowadays anyway. I have never seen anything in her house that would indicate other or heavy drug use. It just doesn't add up. She has never been rude, never had anyone at her house when I was there, never rushed me. I have never felt unsafe while I was there. There are girls out there who will do shady things, but the situation about being robbed that is being described is exactly the same as the "Blonde Bombshell" and her husband (coincidental?), that one has been verified, I think. As for this one. I don't believe it at all. You have to decide for yourself if some new person on here is telling the truth or if they are upset about something that may not have gone right. This is a place where mongers can get even I guess. I will continue to see her since what I read doesn't sit right with me. I am not calling anyone a liar. I am simply saying the crime doesn't fit the persona. My two cents.

[QUOTE=StarFighter01;7114739]I have seen Ashley on numerous occasions and I have never seen her do anything that is remotely close to what is being said about her right now. She smokes weed but it seems that most people do nowadays anyway. I have never seen anything in her house that would indicate other or heavy drug use. It just doesn't add up. She has never been rude, never had anyone at her house when I was there, never rushed me. I have never felt unsafe while I was there. There are girls out there who will do shady things, but the situation about being robbed that is being described is exactly the same as the "Blonde Bombshell" and her husband (coincidental?), that one has been verified, I think. As for this one. I don't believe it at all. You have to decide for yourself if some new person on here is telling the truth or if they are upset about something that may not have gone right. This is a place where mongers can get even I guess. I will continue to see her since what I read doesn't sit right with me. I am not calling anyone a liar. I am simply saying the crime doesn't fit the persona. My two cents.[/QUOTE]I've never had any bad experience with her either.

[QUOTE=Trippitt;7114845]I've never had any bad experience with her either.[/QUOTE]I contacted her about the review, she denies that happened. I believe her. Now, the drug use, that doesn't bother me either. I'm planning on sint her today. I will advise.

Goaty.

[QUOTE=Trippitt;7114845]I've never had any bad experience with her either.[/QUOTE]She is literally the epitome of a stoner. She and I have sat and talked about many things and I know many personal things about her. That being said, she does this to make her money and I cannot see her doing something stupid like robbing someone. I am not saying that people don't do stupid things, but that is something that is very extreme. Not to mention that it has the same MO as Blonde Bombshell. If you, as a monger, fuck up and piss the girls off, then that's on you. Don't spread bullshit because you got butthurt. I wasn't there so I am not calling anyone on bullshit, but it just doesn't fit to mold. She is really a nice girl and I know she isn't perfect, but I still can't see her doing something like that. I will continue to see Ashley without worry because she has never done anything wrong to me and has done so many things right to me. (if you get my drift). My 2 cents again.

Ashley was involved in a serious car accident. She lost her man. PM me for additional details. She gets a pass from me.

Goaty.

[QUOTE=OldGoaty;7114924]Ashley was involved in a serious car accident. She lost her man. PM me for additional details. She gets a pass from me.

Goaty.[/QUOTE]Like I said, Ashley and I have sat and just talked about stuff. We shared our personal tragedies one day. I know all about her past with that and she knows some stuff about me and my past. Nothing taboo for either of us. But we talked on the phone for quite a while after the posting about the "robbing" incident. She completely and vehemently denies that anyone was robbed by her. She explained what she thought happened to make someone accuse her of this and it makes sense to me. But still, she said she never at any time robbed anyone nor did anyone ever come in and strongarm any clients. She sounded very upset that anyone would even accuse her of this. I tend to believe her on this one. She told me that I was not the only one to reach out to her when this rumor was started and her regulars don't seem to buy the story either. Some girls out there, I could not care less about their livelihood with the way they act and their GP syndrome. But Ashley just acts like a person who isn't better than you. She does this for her living. She knows it. You know it. But she has never acted like it was a privilege to get with her. That being said, I have no issues seeing her again when I am in the neighborhood. Some people out there will try and destroy someone's reputation when things don't go their way. Both working girls or clients. Both sides have done it.

[QUOTE=StarFighter01;7114977]Like I said, Ashley and I have sat and just talked about stuff..[/QUOTE]Seconding the motion, as StarFighter01-man says, she's more of a stoner-honest-broker, not a thief, and "She explained what she thought happened to make someone accuse her of this and it makes sense to me" so the butt-hurt-and-revenge-meter is going off pretty strong rn, on the other hand, she has, credibly per her telling of it, been robbed by monger slobs, but still, almost incredibly, remains sanguine about it on retelling the tale, a girl who stands up and faces reality with a smile, so there are my $0. 02.

Cc: IrishMan6.

Now, Ashley / Sarah? A whole other topic, aside from the hair color, almost no comparison, she is more in line with the Kayla / Harlee and other Peoria vitamin addicts out there, I could elaborate, TuckerC.

[QUOTE=IrishMan6;7113950]Don't trust Ashley from Pekin she will rob you. I had seen her on a few occasions without any issues. well Wednesday night I scheduled a visit with her and she she robbed me someone who I assume is her boyfriend came in threatening me and took my money be aware.[/QUOTE]I've seen her several time. I've never seen or experienced anything.

Remotely suggesting what this review states. More details?

3 x.

[QUOTE=TuckerCarlsonn;7114987]Seconding the motion, as StarFighter01-man says, she's more of a stoner-honest-broker, not a thief, and "She explained what she thought happened to make someone accuse her of this and it makes sense to me" so the butt-hurt-and-revenge-meter is going off pretty strong rn, on the other hand, she has, credibly per her telling of it, been robbed by monger slobs, but still, almost incredibly, remains sanguine about it on retelling the tale, a girl who stands up and faces reality with a smile, so there are my $0. 02.

Cc: IrishMan6.

Now, Ashley / Sarah? A whole other topic, aside from the hair color, almost no comparison, she is more in line with the Kayla / Harlee and other Peoria vitamin addicts out there, I could elaborate, TuckerC.[/QUOTE]I am not sure who Kayla / Harlee (one person?) is. But Ashley / Sarah is a total waste of time. I know her real identity and she definitely has a bad "habit" or two. I like her body type. Not a fan of her somewhat messed up boob job. But I like the leaner girls. Take that away from her and I would never even have bothered to interact with her in the first place. I will never see her again though. Peoria still has better choices than where I am from (a little more to the south). We have girls that THINK they are the shit. But in reality they are average or below. I don't mind going for a good drive if there is a chance that I am going to get my money's worth.

[QUOTE=StarFighter01;7115193]I am not sure who Kayla / Harlee (one person?) is. But Ashley / Sarah is a total waste of time..[/QUOTE]So here are four of the strung-out vitamin enthusiasts:

Harlie and Kayla are cousins. Kayla's vitamin of choice, for years and years and years, is H, and she lives in a house with a tweeker couple in Peoria Heights now doing incalls where she, apparently, disappears into a dungeon with your money, then the tweeker madam of the house informs you there is no reason to stay. Harlie's thing was or is a crack pipe, but now she is caring for an infant product of her mongering activities and is apparently off the market.

Ashley / Sarah is the lesbian partner, on and off and on and off, of Harlie, Kayla, and other area gals, and is, despite her admittedly positive attitude, a waste of time, as StarFighter01 wrote, not sure what her vitamin (s) of choice are, and is on my never-see list, mainly because she is strung out and physically gaunt to the point of uncomfortable to see much less touch.

Oh. And can't leave out 309's Favorite, who now operates out of Morton, well known to Peoria mongers, and apparently committed to vitamin H, but a nice girl, imo.

See links below, TuckerC.

Harlie.

[URL]https://backpagegals.com/user/profile/7931426[/URL]

[URL]https://peoria.myescort.networ[/URL]k / female-escorts / details /1 b3 a3357-3 ed2-4 c4 b-8 c20-b9 c2 e76 ade1 d.

Kayla.

[URL]https://peoria.myescort.networ[/URL]k / female-escorts / details / c935 ecf0-cac9-42 d5-b57 d-b6641 a97 de0 f.

[URL]https://backpagegals.com/user/profile/7927925[/URL]

[URL]https://backpagegals.com/escorts/female-escorts/peoria-14418653[/URL]

Ashley / Sarah.

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/caucasian_w/only-text-or-call-if-you-are-d/364056547152[/URL]

309's Favorite Morton.

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/caucasian_w/located-in-morton-incalls-pref/808569735084[/URL]

[QUOTE=TuckerCarlsonn;7115346]So here are four of the strung-out vitamin enthusiasts:

Harlie and Kayla are cousins. Kayla's vitamin of choice, for years and years and years, is H, and she lives in a house with a tweeker couple in Peoria Heights now doing incalls where she, apparently, disappears into a dungeon with your money, then the tweeker madam of the house informs you there is no reason to stay. Harlie's thing was or is a crack pipe, but now she is caring for an infant product of her mongering activities and is apparently off the market.

Ashley / Sarah is the lesbian partner, on and off and on and off, of Harlie, Kayla, and other area gals, and is, despite her admittedly positive attitude, a waste of time, as StarFighter01 wrote, not sure what her vitamin (s) of choice are, and is on my never-see list, mainly because she is strung out and physically gaunt to the point of uncomfortable to see much less touch.

Oh. And can't leave out 309's Favorite, who now operates out of Morton, well known to Peoria mongers, and apparently committed to vitamin H, but a nice girl, imo.

See links below, TuckerC.

Harlie.

[URL]https://backpagegals.com/user/profile/7931426[/URL]

[URL]https://peoria.myescort.networ[/URL]k / female-escorts / details /1 b3 a3357-3 ed2-4 c4 b-8 c20-b9 c2 e76 ade1 d.

Kayla.

[URL]https://peoria.myescort.networ[/URL]k / female-escorts / details / c935 ecf0-cac9-42 d5-b57 d-b6641 a97 de0 f.

[URL]https://backpagegals.com/user/profile/7927925[/URL]

[URL]https://backpagegals.com/escorts/female-escorts/peoria-14418653[/URL]

Ashley / Sarah.

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/caucasian_w/only-text-or-call-if-you-are-d/364056547152[/URL]

309's Favorite Morton.

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/caucasian_w/located-in-morton-incalls-pref/808569735084[/URL][/QUOTE]See, this is the way information and responses should be on here. Thorough and precise. Enough information that you know the answers to your questions. The only thing with me is that I like to post the pictures in case the links die. But in this case, all is good. Thank you for the info. I try to be as thorough as well when I ask or answer questions or even when I just post opinions of girls in general.

[QUOTE=StarFighter01;7115593] The only thing with me is that I like to post the pictures in case the links die.[/QUOTE]Responding to StarFighter01-man's comment about the helpful nature of pics, totally agree, and usually do post pics, so here is a gallery of the 4 vitamin girls, for monger reference, TuckerC.

Thanks to Tucker for basically showing me how to do a review.

Thanks as always.

Goaty.

[QUOTE=TuckerCarlsonn;7115743]Responding to StarFighter01-man's comment about the helpful nature of pics, totally agree, and usually do post pics, so here is a gallery of the 4 vitamin girls, for monger reference, TuckerC.[/QUOTE]I actually went to see Kayla one time. Got to her house. Walked in and it was like walking into a trap house. A horrible mess and she was covered in scabs from picking (you know what that means). Well, needless to say, I noped out of there.

Never met Harlie.

The Ashley you have pictured is different than the Ashley / Sarah. Ashley / Sarah has a boob job and is pretty thin.

309 is a lot chunkier than her pictures show.

If you frequent any of the four horseman I cannot trust your judgement. For me, a drug addict is the worst person to see. They will do anything for their fix and that includes putting your safety, security, health, and reputation in harms way.

If you post reviews on these girls saying you like them and have a great time etc. I'm not ever going to trust a single review you ever post again. Stop thinking with your little head and use your brain.

Just my $. 02.

[QUOTE=Percius917;7116059]If you frequent any of the four horseman I cannot trust your judgement. For me, a drug addict is the worst person to see. They will do anything for their fix and that includes putting your safety, security, health, and reputation in harms way.

If you post reviews on these girls saying you like them and have a great time etc. I'm not ever going to trust a single review you ever post again. Stop thinking with your little head and use your brain.

Just my $. 02.[/QUOTE]When she was on Tonti in Peoria, she looked better. Does anyone remember when offered what amounted to a live sex show?

Goaty.

Peoria mongers maybe have seen this girl's ads from time to time, seemed encouraging, offered Qv $120 Hhr $150 and Hour $300, asks you to bring your own cover, turns out she stays at Americas Best Value Inn East Peoria with her sister, visiting from Chicago area, works strip joints all around, says she is single with no kids but apparently in a committed relationship, and the ad's promise of "Clean this throat and pussy is a true water park The Best to Ever Do it" was not the most accurate description of what transpired, so her sister left to go on an errand and Rose let me in the side door, went up to her room, pics accurate, nice level-headed person but kinda flat personality, said "this is a business for me, I'm all about my money" and "don't like my tits touched and don't like to be touched down there" so that was the vibe, she set a timer for the time but ended up being no rush, poon is pretty and wet, boning was ok, might improve with repeat visits, prices are good, but in sum not that good an experience for me, no repeat, TuckerC.

[QUOTE=Percius917;7116059] For me, a drug addict is the worst person to see.[/QUOTE]Echoing what Percius917 wrote, so true, the addicts are so itchy and desperate, end up being unreliable, and worse, just dangerous, will to anything, put you in danger, abandon you, all that, so mongers would do well to take note and keep looking for a less risky option, TuckerC.

Meant to include:

[URL]https://backpagegals.com/escorts/female-escorts/peoria-14740323[/URL]

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/illinois/peoria/177772881[/URL]

Can't believe you didn't mention these 2. Shay used to be OK but a bit psycho now. Brandi used to look great, but the years have been rough on her. Both are unreliable. Just my. 02 cents.

[QUOTE=StreetMeat;7120579]Can't believe you didn't mention these 2. Shay used to be OK but a bit psycho now. Brandi used to look great, but the years have been rough on her. Both are unreliable. Just my. 02 cents.[/QUOTE]You have a link for Brandi? I used to see a girl named Brandi but lost track of her. Always had a good time.

[QUOTE=StreetMeat;7120579]Can't believe you didn't mention these 2. Shay used to be OK but a bit psycho now. Brandi used to look great, but the years have been rough on her.[/QUOTE]Street Meat commenting on Shay / Brandi, oh yes, but those 2 mainly classified under looney-effing-tunes and / or homeless, with a minor in addiction, and there are plenty of others to mention, in time.

Links for Jimmyh9:

Brandi aka Paris brunette: see my previous post 10-18-23 17:17 #1655 advertising with Shay now and pics look like Candy London blonde.

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/caucasian_e/brandy-is-back-baby/170670847909[/URL]

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/caucasian_e/your-invitedshay-and-brandi-ex/123845911935[/URL]

Shay: see also previous post 01/02/24 by ThirdTime, and her FB page SheenaMeana.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100087651873539[/URL]

TuckerC.

[QUOTE=StreetMeat;7120579]Can't believe you didn't mention these 2. Shay used to be OK but a bit psycho now. Brandi used to look great, but the years have been rough on her. Both are unreliable. Just my. 02 cents.[/QUOTE]Brandi and Shay are both definitely 2 girls with big habits. I would avoid both as well. Most people know who has a habit locally and who doesn't.

[QUOTE=Percius917;7121931]Brandi and Shay are both definitely 2 girls with big habits. I would avoid both as well. Most people know who has a habit locally and who doesn't.[/QUOTE]Also Brandi doesn't clean herself like she should before seeing people. It always stinks which is why I never see her anymore and also since I have a girlfriend now.

Peoria mongers maybe seeing this girl's ad from time to time under "Sexy ass Cancer Baby" or "Let Me Be Your Treat," she was nice by texting, staying at a hotel by NW Mall, offered a 160 hh, so went over, pleasantly surprised at how pretty, poised, and nice she was, a true change of pace and an unexpected change from my recent losing streak of terrible disappointing under-performing girls, she is from another city, so the positives: is very similar to the pics, see attached, a light-skinned black girl, freshly bathed, nice light perfume, in nice lingerie, ok with light sub, kissing. Closed lips, and massage – therapeutic as stated in the ad, negatives: nothing to say except some mongers will want to note that she is strictly covered and nothing bare and everything completely safe, so in sum, a great girl who delivers a nice no-rush time for a relative bargain, deserves the best possible treatment, glad I went, recommended, TuckerC.

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/black_caribbean/let-me-be-your-treat-/446480578984[/URL]

Hey, has anyone had any experience with her? Thanks.

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/black_caribbean/generous-man-click-here/121397724019[/URL]

Or any reviews on the local black girl talent would be helpful. Thank you!

[QUOTE=OldGoaty;7048283]Has anyone tried this girl?

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/caucasian_w/amy-at-your-service-/675833713842[/URL][/QUOTE]I have seen her multiple times at an apartment in Pekin she shares with her mother, who will probably be there but will go in the other room and not bother you. Picture is very old, she is much much skinnier due to her habits. Most of her looks went with the weight unfortunately. Easily distracted by the environment. Lighting, music, messages etc. Sometimes disappears for several minutes but she comes back. However, she is very sweet. She will provide services and do what you want. Extremely reasonable rates. Clean safe location.

[QUOTE=TuckerCarlsonn;7048443]Mongers seeing these girls' ads since summer, see my intel post on 07/31/24 #2147, have been listing Pekin consistently since originally posting for Peoria and then Morton, have been mulling it over, seems possibly real, not clear yet, TuckerC.[/QUOTE]Both are real, I reviewed Amy elsewhere. Snow is super sweet and will definitely provide service. She can be hit and miss to respond. The Peoria spot was an opportunist letting them use his apartment at times and helping them with ads for a cut. Pics of Snow are filtered and she shows signs of a habit, but still a decent looking young girl. Thicker than pics show. Pregnant last I saw her so she may be on hiatus. Very sweet and accommodating if you reach her. Both are from Pekin and may host at Amy's apartment there mentioned in my other review. If you don't mind girls with very likely habits, they will do what you want.

[QUOTE=FunGuy2023;7127440]Hey, has anyone had any experience with her? Thanks. [/QUOTE]FunGuy2023 asking about this girl: DEBBIE Surfing Scared girl, my reports on her can be seen at 02-23-24 08:14 #1934 and 08-30-23 11:08 #1622, and also check out my other recent reports of two other, eh, "ethnic" girls, TuckerC.

[QUOTE=FattySmallCuck;7128234]Both are real, I reviewed Amy elsewhere. Snow is super sweet and will definitely provide service. She can be hit and miss to respond..[/QUOTE]FattySmallCuck providing key in tel on this oddball situation, now much clearer, addict (s) and their tweaker (s) looking for a fix, so the unreliability is explained, as FattySmallCuck describes her "disappearing for several minutes" please you cannot be serious, anyways, and well the last time I texted her in October, she replied "who are you?" said am a monger in Peoria; she said is not there, I said I drive where are you pekin? She said "shut up *****," so I said you put up the ad with your number; she said "fuck you;" so then completely clear she / they are mentally ill loons otherwise addicts, good to know, not sure if Snow is also an addict, not likely worth taking the risk, TuckerC.

[QUOTE=ThirdTime;7090996]Curious. Has anyone seen this girl? If there is a review, can you point me to the post?

Thanks.

3 x.

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/other/humpday-cumday-130-hhr--15-off/314522619321[/URL][/QUOTE]Just chiming in to say I have seen her several times also. Very friendly and chatty, have seen her at her condo and at motels in the area. Usually very responsive to text. Good BBBJ. Very nice and solid provider at a very affordable rate. Very decent looking, obviously slim athletic body type. She'll get the job done.

[QUOTE=FSeeker17;7055130]Has anyone seen any of these girls recently? I haven't been in Peoria for quite some time.

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/caucasian_w/thirsty-thursday----cum--what-/646814575325[/URL]

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/black_caribbean/lets-play/062406566595[/URL]

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/peoria/female-escorts/caucasian_e/thirsty-thursday-come-get-a-ta/738183614874[/URL][/QUOTE]I have seen the one in the first link. Juicy. Saw her at a residence in the South Side of Peoria. Let me in side door, walked past small kitchen with a group of AA gentlemen playing cards. Went upstairs to a little finished attic space with bed. Good BBBJ. Friendly enough. Decent communication. Hard to tell in some pics but she is a very big lady, very tall and a bbw. Around 6 ft and 300 I'd guess. Got the job done safely and kindly but I have not felt the need to repeat.

[QUOTE=TuckerCarlsonn;7128410]FattySmallCuck providing key in tel on this oddball situation, now much clearer, addict (s) and their tweaker (s) looking for a fix, so the unreliability is explained, as FattySmallCuck describes her "disappearing for several minutes" please you cannot be serious, anyways, and well the last time I texted her in October, she replied "who are you?" said am a monger in Peoria; she said is not there, I said I drive where are you pekin? She said "shut up *****," so I said you put up the ad with your number; she said "fuck you;" so then completely clear she / they are mentally ill loons otherwise addicts, good to know, not sure if Snow is also an addict, not likely worth taking the risk, TuckerC.[/QUOTE]Do you have a picture or ad for Snow?

Thanks!

Goaty.

[QUOTE=TuckerCarlsonn;7128410]FattySmallCuck providing key in tel on this oddball situation, now much clearer, addict (s) and their tweaker (s) looking for a fix, so the unreliability is explained, as FattySmallCuck describes her "disappearing for several minutes" please you cannot be serious, anyways, and well the last time I texted her in October, she replied "who are you?" said am a monger in Peoria; she said is not there, I said I drive where are you pekin? She said "shut up *****," so I said you put up the ad with your number; she said "fuck you;" so then completely clear she / they are mentally ill loons otherwise addicts, good to know, not sure if Snow is also an addict, not likely worth taking the risk, TuckerC.[/QUOTE]I have seen ads with 2 girls who refer to themselves as "Snow Bunny. " They are not the same person, so it's almost impossible to know which Snow Bunny is being referred to. One I have met and she hasn't posted in a long time, so I have no ad or picture to attach for her. I never met the other one.