Sample pic of Jody topless and in handcuffs from the last set of 10 of her that I posted.
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Sample pic of Jody topless and in handcuffs from the last set of 10 of her that I posted.
Sometimes the front-runner stays the front runner. There wasn't a "waterfall" of interest in the contest, but the pic that started the whole idea of the contest in the first place got the most votes: Jenn's "waterfall" money shot.
[QUOTE= Tony Damato]That is one disgusting looking chick![/QUOTE]In the old west, young gunfighters eager to make a name for themselves, and get a few notches on their guns, would "call out" an established fast gun for a duel in the street. More often than not they would wind up in the town cemetery, one of the more famous of those being Boot Hill in Tombstone Arizona, so named because so many buried there died with their boots on. We have our own Boot Hill right here in the USA Sex Guide called the Banned Users Hall of Shame. You didn't call me out for a duel (smart decision there), but it would appear from your first five negative "calling out" posts that you are just itching to wind up there. I suggest you holster your guns cowboy, and contribute rather than criticize. There are a lot faster guns than you in this Forum, and the fastest gun of all (the Admin), who might be happy to grant your wishes for an early grave.
[QUOTE= Frank6969]Pornstar Experience.
Posted: October 11,2010,05:02 PM.
Alicia Unleashed.
I do everything.
Let me be the star in your personal porno fantasy.
Outcall.
$ 250.00 hr.
215-303-2772.
Some girls promise everything,
250.00 Hr. Is crazy for a SW [/QUOTE]Isn't this the same Alicia I reported on a few months ago, and who Maxman recently filmed in a facial video?:
[url=http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4137-Streetwalker-Reports&p=1065726&highlight=alicia#post1065726]Maxman Pics of Alicia Part One[/url]
[url= http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4137-Streetwalker-Reports&p=1065727&viewfull=1#post1065727]Maxman Pics of Alicia Part Two[/url]
"Pornstar experience? I do everything?" I think this girl is basking too much in her own press clippings. Are we in the Twilight Zone or what? First Bijou and now this girl thinks they are worth $250 an hour on BP? Alicia was a nice provider, and had a great attitude, but she was not exactly stellar in terms of looks and performance, even for a SW.
I don't think Bijou is drug addicted, and was an exceptional date, but she doesn't have the best on-time record for appointments. Alicia is or at least was very drug addicted, and worked for a pimp. I also hear from some reliable monger friends that she had a habit of stringing guys along for whatever she could get.
It wouldn't be the first time in my life that I was proven wrong, and you can't blame a girl for trying, but that doesn't sound like a profile that fits a BP provider that is likely to remain in business for long.
[QUOTE=Supereloquent; 1076190]Isn't this the same Alicia I reported on a few months ago, and who Maxman recently filmed in a facial video? :
[url=http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4137-Streetwalker-Reports&p=1065726&highlight=alicia#post1065726]Maxman Pics of Alicia Part One[/url]
[url= http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4137-Streetwalker-Reports&p=1065727&viewfull=1#post1065727]Maxman Pics of Alicia Part Two[/url]
"Pornstar experience? I do everything? " I think this girl is basking too much in her own press clippings. Are we in the Twilight Zone or what? First Bijou and now this girl thinks they are worth $250 an hour on BP? Alicia was a nice provider, and had a great attitude, but she was not exactly stellar in terms of looks and performance, even for a SW.
I don't think Bijou is drug addicted, and was an exceptional date, but she doesn't have the best on-time record for appointments. Alicia is or at least was very drug addicted, and worked for a pimp. I also hear from some reliable monger friends that she had a habit of stringing guys along for whatever she could get.
It wouldn't be the first time in my life that I was proven wrong, and you can't blame a girl for trying, but that doesn't sound like a profile that fits a BP provider that is likely to remain in business for long. [/QUOTE]I can only assume they feel they can charge $250 / hour because a regular or more than one was giving them more than what the going rate is. When the girl is in a good state of mind and the customer feels they had an exceptional time, giving more is not out of the question. The problem is when you do it once, they expect it again, even if service was less than average. As you stated, their punctuality is not the greatest, and that will turn away a lot of possible business. I don't blame anyone for trying to get off the streets even if it is the same line of work, but knowing they are former SW will not go over well with clients. They should ease into this endeavor and get some possitive reviews before charging top notch prices. As for others experience's with them previously YMMV always applies.
JB
[QUOTE=Johnboy; 1076239]I can only assume they feel they can charge $250 / hour because a regular or more than one was giving them more than what the going rate is. When the girl is in a good state of mind and the customer feels they had an exceptional time, giving more is not out of the question. The problem is when you do it once, they expect it again, even if service was less than average. As you stated, their punctuality is not the greatest, and that will turn away a lot of possible business. I don't blame anyone for trying to get off the streets even if it is the same line of work, but knowing they are former SW will not go over well with clients. They should ease into this endeavor and get some possitive reviews before charging top notch prices. As for others experience's with them previously YMMV always applies.
JB[/QUOTE]I have said this time and time again even to the SW who went to craigslist or backpage. YOU will be back on the street in no time =) and I am always right. They can not keep a working cell phone or keep appointments and word of mouth spreads after a few hours of no calls or no appointments they are back on the streets.
[QUOTE=FlyGuyEddie007;1076295]I have said this time and time again even to the SW who went to craigslist or backpage. YOU will be back on the street in no time =) and I am always right. They can not keep a working cell phone or keep appointments and word of mouth spreads after a few hours of no calls or no appointments they are back on the streets.[/QUOTE]I believe you are right about that. Old bad habits die hard. And, they soon realize that BP or CL is no bowl of cherries. On line you have to deal with teenagers and fraternities and whatever, playing pranks, and guys who are just getting their rocks off pulling your chain, or guys just deciding not to show for any excuse they choose.There is no commitment and it is no skin off their noses. And, while you are entertaining an appointment, you can't be making any. You almost need a personal assistant, because a lot of guys won't leave their numbers. Otherwise, you have to be available all hours of the day and night, just sitting and waiting for the phone to ring. You have no idea who is going to show for the appointment. The number I often hear is a 70% no-show rate. You can't size them up in person before you agree to the date. This is not to mention that you have to keep your schedule straight and your cell phone in perfect working order. It is even worse if you are doing outcall and have to drive or be driven to some remote place on a wild goose chase, or having the danger of a group of guys waiting for you to rob you and/or do you harm. AND, on top of it all, did you ever see the number of ads on BP and CL? The competition is FEROCIOUS!
On the Ave you can work whatever hours you want, and your free time is your own. A good-looking girl will be picked up in 5 or 10 minutes. You can be dropped back on the Ave and have another date in 5 or 10 minutes again, and so forth, for as much as you like. You can select what dates are acceptable to you and size them up in person. If you want to keep a cell phone in operating order (which the vast majority don't seem to be able to do) or answer it and get back to people, then you can do that as well. Your fee per date will be lower, but you won't have 70% no-shows either, so you can afford to charge less. If you are attractive and offer great service and develop a great reputation, you will be in demand by good regular mongers who are usually willing pay a premium over Ave rates for such.
If CL or BP was so great and easy to do then the best girls on the K would all be doing it. I think the combination of not having what it takes to do that business, and the greater convenience of doing business on the Ave means that, like you said, they will all likely be back there, even after departing for what they thought were greener pastures.
Hi Super E. I have been a lurker in your thread for the past year and surely appreciate your contribution to this site. I am from WV and will be visiting a friend in Philadelphia in a couple weeks and thought it was time to finally make a post in here. I have been reading on up on the K stroll and wanted to know if you could give some advice. Do's, don't's perhaps to an out of towner.
I know down here in Charleston they have a new law that if you are even seen associating with a known SW. Then they can arrest you. Even if you ask if the SW needs a ride they can still get you.
Is it the same in Philly or should I be extra cautious of LE on the K.
I will be there on a Fri, Sat, and Sun. And will be staying at a hotel probably close to the K.
You can pm me if you like.
Regards,
Daman2
[QUOTE=Daman2;1076372]Hi Super E. I have been a lurker in your thread for the past year and surely appreciate your contribution to this site.[/QUOTE]You are most welcome.
[QUOTE=Daman2] I am from WV and will be visiting a friend in Philadelphia in a couple weeks and thought it was time to finally make a post in here. I have been reading on up on the K stroll and wanted to know if you could give some advice. Do's, don't's perhaps to an out of towner.[/QUOTE]There is nothing much new under the sun. The 22 rules of mongering published on this website pretty much apply here as they do anywhere else. I recommend doing a couple of passes on the stroll to get the lay of the land, and not to pick up any SWs right on the K, where you can be in plain view of LE. However, you will see some boneheads do exactly that.
[QUOTE=Daman2]I know down here in Charleston they have a new law that if you are even seen associating with a known SW. Then they can arrest you. Even if you ask if the SW needs a ride they can still get you.
Is it the same in Philly or should I be extra cautious of LE on the K. [/QUOTE]LE in Philly usually have bigger fish to fry than to be arresting mongers for just associating with a known SW or giving her a ride. But my philosophy is to be cautious in these matters. It is better to be safe than sorry IMHO.
Camden right across the river is an entirely different situation. LE there apparently don't have enough to do and they have a hard on for arresting mongers or giving them tickets for various local ordinances that basically make it a crime just to be in Camden: like loitering in a known crime area, loitering for the purposes of prostitution, etc.
[QUOTE=Supereloquent;1076081]In the old west, young gunfighters eager to make a name for themselves, and get a few notches on their guns, would "call out" an established fast gun for a duel in the street. More often than not they would wind up in the town cemetery, one of the more famous of those being Boot Hill in Tombstone Arizona, so named because so many buried there died with their boots on. We have our own Boot Hill right here in the USA Sex Guide called the Banned Users Hall of Shame. You didn't call me out for a duel (smart decision there), but it would appear from your first five negative "calling out" posts that you are just itching to wind up there. [b]I suggest you holster your guns cowboy, and contribute rather than criticize. There are a lot faster guns than you in this Forum, and the fastest gun of all (the Admin), who might be happy to grant your wishes for an early grave.[/b][/QUOTE]Hilarious, LOL! I guess we can refer to the "Banned Users Hall of Shame" to be A. K. A. "Boot Hill" for short?
[QUOTE=Fbtom;1076481]Hilarious, LOL! I guess we can refer to the "Banned Users Hall of Shame" to be A. K. A. "Boot Hill" for short?[/QUOTE]If the aka of "Boot Hill" sticks for the "Banned Users Hall of Shame" then I will be proud of giving it an appropriate and historically interesting nick.
I am glad you appreciated my humor. Before I decided to mellow a bit I probably would have more aggressively chewed this newbie a new orafice, even though he didn't attack me directly. However, such obvious cluelessness on his part as to what this Forum is all about is ultimately self-destructive, and deserves some bitingly sardonic commentary. Someone who continually makes negative and attacking posts, or targets another member with ridicule, hassle, insult or belittling should get the proper burial on Boot Hill he so richly deserves. Not only is such activity against the stated rules of this Forum, but life is too short for such childish bullshit.
[QUOTE=Johnboy;1076239]I can only assume they feel they can charge $250 / hour because a regular or more than one was giving them more than what the going rate is. [/QUOTE]Perhaps the answer is in the advert?
[i]Pornstar Experience.
I do everything.[/i]
So I assume that means she is willing to do anal. Usually a 50 to 100 up charge with most BP providers.
Also if she is PSE and "everything" then Bareback sounds like it is on the menu too? I've seen ads from a few on BP that wanted an extra $ for that. When offered.
Also, with "everything" I guess she's willing to toss your salad to? No need to head to an AMP for the "CH Special! "
So if playing raw, going there with greek and having a tossed salad is your style then the rate might be reasonable? Then again, "doing everything" with a former drug addicted SW sounds kinda dangerous to me.
But hey, who am I to judge the next guy's tolerance for risk?
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love; 1076523]Perhaps the answer is in the advert?
[i]Pornstar Experience.
I do everything. [/i]
So I assume that means she is willing to do anal. Usually a 50 to 100 up charge with most BP providers.
Also if she is PSE and "everything" then Bareback sounds like it is on the menu too? I've seen ads from a few on BP that wanted an extra $ for that. When offered.
Also, with "everything" I guess she's willing to toss your salad to? No need to head to an AMP for the "CH Special! "
So if playing raw, going there with greek and having a tossed salad is your style then the rate might be reasonable? Then again, "doing everything" with a former drug addicted SW sounds kinda dangerous to me.
But hey, who am I to judge the next guy's tolerance for risk? [/QUOTE]There are plenty of SW that would do everything you said for less than half that price. If you have not been offered, let me tell you there are some desperate SW who will try to upsell those services for a minimal amount if they can get a few extra bucks for there meds. That is why you have to be smart and not think with your little head. I suppose if she was'nt a known SW then she might be able to get customers, but at that rate she better have some stellar reviews at those rates before anyone will lay that kind of money down. There are some people who are oblivious about the SW scene though and may think that its a good deal. Who knows!
JB
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love; 1076523]Perhaps the answer is in the advert?
[i]Pornstar Experience.
I do everything. [/i]
So I assume that means she is willing to do anal. Usually a 50 to 100 up charge with most BP providers.
Also if she is PSE and "everything" then Bareback sounds like it is on the menu too? I've seen ads from a few on BP that wanted an extra $ for that. When offered.
Also, with "everything" I guess she's willing to toss your salad to? No need to head to an AMP for the "CH Special! "
So if playing raw, going there with greek and having a tossed salad is your style then the rate might be reasonable? Then again, "doing everything" with a former drug addicted SW sounds kinda dangerous to me.
But hey, who am I to judge the next guy's tolerance for risk? [/QUOTE]If there is truth in her advertising, then "everything" covers a LOT of waterfront like you said.
Maybe the attached pic would help her advertising on BP? Maxman and I should probably get PR royalties. :D
[QUOTE= Seva Lurker]Well he made it (referring to Tony Damato making it into the Banned Users Hall of Shame)[/QUOTE]Another cocky gunfighter decided to recklessly "call out" for a duel in the streets a few times too many. He was "called out" to the Admin by the level-headed participants in this Forum. I guess the harassers will never learn.
[QUOTE=Johnboy; 1076533]There are plenty of SW that would do everything you said for less than half that price. If you have not been offered, let me tell you there are some desperate SW who will try to upsell those services for a minimal amount if they can get a few extra bucks for there meds. That is why you have to be smart and not think with your little head. I suppose if she was'nt a known SW then she might be able to get customers, but at that rate she better have some stellar reviews at those rates before anyone will lay that kind of money down. There are some people who are oblivious about the SW scene though and may think that its a good deal. Who knows!
JB[/QUOTE]Beauty and value are in the eye of the beholder. Some people buy clothing with a "label" at an expensive store and they think it is well worth it. I once bought a London Fog trench-coat in perfect condition at Goodwill for 4 bucks. The retail price at any upscale store would have been around $300 or more. I look at the K in a similar way. There is shoddy merchandise, but there are also terrific bargains. I have found numerous SWs there who were currently, or had been, or will be marketing themselves on BP or CL at 3 to 5 times their Ave rates. If one thinks a fancy ad on line is worth that kind of premium for the same girl, then perhaps for you it is. Perception is often reality. As for me, I prefer to shop in the bargain basement for some really great deals on high quality goods, or, at the very least, a very reasonable price for whatever I decide to purchase.
I would rather deal with a SW any day as compared to a girl from CL or BP to much drama. At least I'm just out of 20 or 40 if things don't go right instead of 250.
Showing her tits; kissing the cum piggie; sucking on a dildo; with a flogger; nude with ball gag; nude and restrained; finger spread; sucking my cock; cum string from her lips to my cock.
Sample pic from the last 10 posted: cum string from her lips to my cock.
I have the same thoughts. And you always fees extra dam proud of yourself when you find that diamond in the hood!
[QUOTE=Supereloquent;1076570]Beauty and value are in the eye of the beholder. Some people buy clothing with a "label" at an expensive store and they think it is well worth it. I once bought a London Fog trench-coat in perfect condition at Goodwill for 4 bucks. The retail price at any upscale store would have been around $300 or more. I look at the K in a similar way. There is shoddy merchandise, but there are also terrific bargains. I have found numerous SWs there who were currently, or had been, or will be marketing themselves on BP or CL at 3 to 5 times their Ave rates. If one thinks a fancy ad on line is worth that kind of premium for the same girl, then perhaps for you it is. Perception is often reality. As for me, I prefer to shop in the bargain basement for some really great deals on high quality merchandise, or, at the very least, a very reasonable price for whatever I decide to purchase.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Runner8;1076656]I have the same thoughts. And you always fees extra dam proud of yourself when you find that diamond in the hood![/QUOTE]That's the problem with BP & CL, much of the advertising and photos are complete bs. Your 250 / hour gem you thought you were getting could turn out to be worthless rock and someone that works the streets for less when they don't make enough on BP.
JB
[QUOTE=Jicarlo;1076575]I would rather deal with a SW any day as compared to a girl from CL or BP to much drama. At least I'm just out of 20 or 40 if things don't go right instead of 250.[/QUOTE]I experienced this at least once early in the hobby. Guess I'm a dummy for not finding out about a girl beforehand.
Not anymore! .
[QUOTE=Jicarlo;1076575]I would rather deal with a SW any day as compared to a girl from CL or BP to much drama. At least I'm just out of 20 or 40 if things don't go right instead of 250.[/QUOTE]I agree. I tend to think of a good SW as similar to a good stock. You can buy her when she is cheap or when she is expensive. It's the same "stock, " just at different prices. I prefer to buy good stocks when they are cheap rather than when they get overpriced. Often the girl on BP or CL was most recently available on the Ave for a fraction of her internet asking price. The girl and the performance is the same, and all you have done is paid a lot more. Or, like you said, the experience is less than wonderful and you are out a lot of dough to find out. You can afford 6 times as many "mistakes" on the K. It makes experimentation and the search for variety far more economical.
[QUOTE=Fbtom; 1076913]I experienced this at least once early in the hobby. Guess I'm a dummy for not finding out about a girl beforehand.
Not anymore! . [/QUOTE]You are no dummy, Tom. You are just being honest with yourself and with us. None of us were born with perfect mongering experience and judgment. We have all made our fair share of mongering mistakes if the truth be told. That might make a great idea for a thread. I think we learn a lot more from our mistakes than from our successes. Look at all these legal hassles some fellow mongers are going through in Camden. Hard realities like that teach us a lot about good mongering practices and the importance of exercising of caution. Too often we get so excited about a good find that we neglect to follow basic rules of care and vigilance.
[QUOTE= Runner8]I have the same thoughts. And you always fees extra dam proud of yourself when you find that diamond in the hood![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Johnboy; 1076869]That's the problem with BP & CL, much of the advertising and photos are complete bs. Your 250 / hour gem you thought you were getting could turn out to be worthless rock and someone that works the streets for less when they don't make enough on BP.
JB[/QUOTE]IMHO there are so many problems in dealing with BP and CL. You are right that advertising can be so much BS. A promise of an incredible experience is cheap. It is easy to make, and not necessarily the truth. How many times have you picked up a SW who said she was "the best? " Of course she is going to say that. It doesn't mean she actually IS the best. It is even easier to type a few choice phrases on the computer to lure you into parting with $250.
We have already discussed several times about many of these girls on BP and CL being "graduates" from the streets: Alicia, Bijou/Ally and Jessica are prime examples. I think there are plenty of good ones left on the K without having to resort to looking for girls on line at a significant multiple of Ave rates.
Often the ads on line result in a "bait and switch, " with bogus pics. Granted, you can change your mind when that crap happens, but at the very least you have wasted your time in the process.
We shouldn't kid ourselves. The K is not littered with only top-notch girls. I liken making a great find there to the realities of diamond mining. Sometimes you have to look through a few tons of sludge to discover a gem. (Some of us, including me, even enjoy rolling in the sludge every now and again, LOL) But it is so worthwhile when you find one. Patience and perseverance can definitely be rewarded. :D
[QUOTE=Supereloquent; 1076388]You are most welcome.
The 22 rules of mongering published on this website pretty much apply here as they do anywhere else. I recommend doing a couple of passes on the stroll to get the lay of the land, and not to pick up any SWs right on the K, where you can be in plain view of LE. However, you will see some boneheads do exactly that.
[/QUOTE]Does anybody have a direct link to these 22 rules of mongering? I tried using the search function to look for them, but couldn't seem to locate them. I know I've read them before, but I think it would be good to read them again, before I take another trip down to the K.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Socalcasualguy;1077056]Does anybody have a direct link to these 22 rules of mongering? I tried using the search function to look for them, but couldn't seem to locate them. I know I've read them before, but I think it would be good to read them again, before I take another trip down to the K.
Thanks[/QUOTE]The link is on the hompage on the left side with other links. It is for you.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/index.php?pageid=mongeringrules[/url]
Learn the rules and you will be much safer. Break the rules at your own peril. LOL
Play Safe,
SR
[QUOTE=Supereloquent;1076992] We have all made our fair share of mongering mistakes if the truth be told. That might make a great idea for a thread. [/QUOTE]Excellent Idea.
If you go to the homepage and jsut scroll down a little ways you will see 22 Rules. Here's th elink to go directly to it.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/index.php?[/url] Pageid=mongeringrules
[QUOTE= Supereloquent]We have all made our fair share of mongering mistakes if the truth be told. That might make a great idea for a thread.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Scuuze;1077106]Excellent Idea.[/QUOTE]Thank you.
I will admit to making some boneheaded mistakes early on in my mongering career. In David Letterman style, here is my "top ten" list:
10. Calling a SW numerous times even after she can't be reached directly, and it is clear she is not going to return the call. While this is no big deal, you have to learn that a girl is either going to be reliable and reachable by her phone or she isn't. There doesn't tend to be some middle ground.
9. Making an appointment and hanging around for a SW to finally show up when she felt like it. (Now I have a firm rule and I let the girl know it: I will be there on time and she should be there on time. I allow 15 minutes for unforeseen circumstances and after that I am gone!)
8. Believing that a girl gives "the best" head or whatever. This is like most things in life. "The best" just show you, they don't need to tell you.
7. Paying a premium up front for services promised to be superior to the "average girl" on the Ave. (I don't mind paying up front, but my policy is to pay the average Ave rate with a tip for exceptional performance. If you give them everything up front, where is the incentive to perform?)
6. Allowing the girl to fire up her stem in your car.
5. Going to their spot to park or their place when you don't already know them, or have reasonably good intel about them, and / or approach them through a reliable reference. While I have never done this blindly, I can only imagine the many unwanted dangers it can present.
4. Giving a SW your phone number, because she says she is going to be getting a new phone soon and will call you. I have never known one to call, and, even if you have a throw-away mongering cell, it is a waste of time to give out your number.
3. Believing everything (or sometimes anything) a SW tells you. Most are drug addicted. Most lie. They will lie about innocuous things like their age, or almost anything else. Sometimes what they say is the truth, but we always need to take what they say with a grain of salt, most especially if it maligns a fellow monger. We should know better than to repeat such malicious third-hand gossip. Unimpeachable witnesses they are not.
2. Falling for a SW's sob story about why she needs more money after you have already paid her for the date, and perhaps even given her a tip. A meal or some smokes may be warranted as a nice gesture, particularly for a long date and multiple cups, but if you have compensated her fairly by Ave standards then that ought to be enough. If she wants BP / CL rates then she ought to advertise on line and see that isn't all it's cracked up to be instead of peddling her pussy on the K.
And (drum roll) the #1 mongering mistake IMHO:
1. Giving them money to cop before a date: if they are so dope sick that they need to do this, you are better off to cut off the date and let them out. It is a 50/50 proposition at best, and not much upside for you. In many cases they will just disappear with your dough. Even if they come back there are often long time delays while you remain parked in a dicey drug area, or have to drive around like an underpaid car service.
I am sure all of you will have your own favorite "mistakes" to add to this list.
[QUOTE=G Malav; 1077110]If you go to the homepage and jsut scroll down a little ways you will see 22 Rules. Here's th elink to go directly to it.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/index.php?[/url] Pageid=mongeringrules[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think the sun has gotten to me-LOL. I was looking in the Philly threads and not on the main board page. Thanks again.
[QUOTE=Supereloquent;1076992] None of us were born with perfect mongering experience and judgment. We have all made our fair share of mongering mistakes if the truth be told. That might make a great idea for a thread. I think we learn a lot more from our mistakes than from our successes. Look at all these legal hassles some fellow mongers are going through in Camden. Hard realities like that teach us a lot about good mongering practices and the importance of exercising of caution. Too often we get so excited about a good find that we neglect to follow basic rules of care and vigilance.[/QUOTE]That was probably one of the most honest statements I've heard on this board and I thank you for that. No one is perfect as you stated, and anyone who thinks that way will surely lose in the end.
Nude; restrained; with dog-bone gag; with ball gag; doggie finger spread; diddling herself with a dildo; licking and sucking my cock.
Next up: report and pics of my date with Jamie Lynn
Sample pic of Jody from the last group of pics, sucking on my cock.
[QUOTE=Johnboy;1077400]That was probably one of the most honest statements I've heard on this board and I thank you for that. No one is perfect as you stated, and anyone who thinks that way will surely lose in the end.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your thank you.
There are way too many Monday morning quarterbacks on this site who are all too ready to tell you how they would have handled something or give you a brow beating about how something should have been handled. I would prefer to hear how someone actually DID handle a similar situation or a well-reasoned analysis and commentary that shows some thought and causes one to reflect.
The discussions regarding Camden and mongers facing tickets and legal battles in court is a prime example. There seem to be a lot of what we would have called "shit-house lawyers" where I grew up, who come on like gangbusters and tell you it is no biggie and how easy it is to beat the charges or the tickets in the Camden courts. It doesn't sound that way for the guys who actually are facing that, or from guys who actually have faced it. Regardless of the nature of the charge or ticket, at minimum it seems to involve an investment of your time and a considerable expense to be fighting anything in court, and requires a good attorney with experience in the Camden courts in defending your particular offense. The bottom line in all of this is obviously not to get a ticket, but that is easier said than done. You can be and have to be much more careful mongering in Camden than in Philly. The reasons for that seem primarily to be twofold: mongers stick out like a sore thumb in Camden as opposed to blending in on the K (except not so much at night, another reason I prefer day mongering) and LE there use local ordinances like loitering for the purposes of soliciting prostitution, or visiting a disorderly area for an unlawful purpose ( such as solicitation of prostitution), to hand out tickets like candy. Tickets may be relatively easy to beat from a legal perspective, by just showing up in court (since LE often does not) or lack of convincing evidence, or the relative ease of getting reduced charges if you fight them with a good lawyer at your side, but all those legal niceties are little comfort to the guy directly involved. There can always be good advice to follow in any situation involving LE, such as remembering to exercise your fourth amendment (protection from unreasonable search and seizure) and fifth amendment (protection from self incrimination) rights in a polite and reasonable way. Beyond the soundness of such advice, I would rather hear the first-person story of a monger who has experienced something like this as a lesson to be learned than all the blowhards who proceed to tell him how THEY would have done it!
That was the ticket. I couldn't even tell you the year. Going on ten years ago now. While with a girl, was pulled over for driving while white in Camden. As both of us came back clean from the traffic stop, this was the officer's only option. I guess?
Not wanting to pay 1500 for a lawyer, I talked to the prosecutor on court day. Plead guilty, paid a fine over 200. If no recurrence for x period of time offense goes away. Worked for me. No record of offense today.
Three of these tickets leads to a permanent record.
Stay Safe, STAY ALERT.
L T M
[QUOTE=Supereloquent; 1077648]Thank you for your thank you.
There are way too many Monday morning quarterbacks on this site who are all too ready to tell you how they would have handled something or give you a brow beating about how something should have been handled. I would prefer to hear how someone actually DID handle a similar situation or a well-reasoned analysis and commentary that shows some thought and causes one to reflect.
The discussions regarding Camden and mongers facing tickets and legal battles in court is a prime example. There seem to be a lot of what we would have called "shit-house lawyers" where I grew up, who come on like gangbusters and tell you it is no biggie and how easy it is to beat the charges or the tickets in the Camden courts. It doesn't sound that way for the guys who actually are facing that, or from guys who actually have faced it. Regardless of the nature of the charge or ticket, at minimum it seems to involve an investment of your time and a considerable expense to be fighting anything in court, and requires a good attorney with experience in the Camden courts in defending your particular offense. The bottom line in all of this is obviously not to get a ticket, but that is easier said than done. You can be and have to be much more careful mongering in Camden than in Philly. The reasons for that seem primarily to be twofold: mongers stick out like a sore thumb in Camden as opposed to blending in on the K (except not so much at night, another reason I prefer day mongering) and LE there use local ordinances like loitering for the purposes of soliciting prostitution, or visiting a disorderly area for an unlawful purpose (such as solicitation of prostitution, to hand out tickets like candy. Tickets may be relatively easy to beat from a legal perspective, by just showing up in court (since LE often does not) or lack of convincing evidence, or the relative ease of getting reduced charges if you fight them with a good lawyer at your side, but all those legal niceties are little comfort to the guy directly involved. There can always be good advice to follow in any situation involving LE, such as remembering to exercise your fourth amendment (protection from unreasonable search and seizure) and fifth amendment (protection from self incrimination) rights in a polite and reasonable way. Beyond the soundness of such advice, I would rather hear the first-person story of a monger who has experienced something like this as a lesson to be learned than all the blowhards who proceed to tell him how THEY would have done it! [/QUOTE]Thanks for agreeing with me and repeating in your thread the point I was attempting to convey in my original post in the Camden thread. All the should have and could have remarks get a little old and some were a little abusive. I handled my situation the way I thought best and wheather I was stupid or otherwise makes no difference to anyone else. Experience is something you achieve through trial and error with hopes you don't get burned too much in the process. I attempted to get all the legal masterminds to tell their experience's as a way to learn, however the well seems to have run dry of information and the lawyers have run for the hills. Go figure!
JB
[QUOTE=Love To Monger; 1077859]That was the ticket. I couldn't even tell you the year. Going on ten years ago now. While with a girl, was pulled over for driving while white in Camden. As both of us came back clean from the traffic stop, this was the officer's only option. I guess?
Not wanting to pay 1500 for a lawyer, I talked to the prosecutor on court day. Plead guilty, paid a fine over 200. If no recurrence for x period of time offense goes away. Worked for me. No record of offense today.
Three of these tickets leads to a permanent record.
Stay Safe, STAY ALERT.
L T M[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. I basically did the same as you only with a lawyer that my usual lawyer referred me to, at a reduced rate. Definitly changes your outlook on the hobby when you stand before the judge. Glad to hear all went well for you.
JB
[QUOTE= Love to monger]That was the ticket ( intention to buy controlled substances). I couldn't even tell you the year. Going on ten years ago now. While with a girl, was pulled over for driving while white in Camden. As both of us came back clean from the traffic stop, this was the officer's only option. I guess?
Not wanting to pay 1500 for a lawyer, I talked to the prosecutor on court day. Plead guilty, paid a fine over 200. If no recurrence for x period of time offense goes away. Worked for me. No record of offense today.
Three of these tickets leads to a permanent record.
Stay Safe, STAY ALERT.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Johnboy; 1077877]Thanks for sharing. I basically did the same as you only with a lawyer that my usual lawyer referred me to, at a reduced rate. Definitly changes your outlook on the hobby when you stand before the judge. Glad to hear all went well for you.
JB[/QUOTE]Thanks to you both for sharing your experiences. When a monger is brave enough to admit an error or a very difficult / awkward situation he has experienced, we should be appreciative of what it teaches us, and not be so ready to jump all over him. Some mongers are quick to judge and be Monday morning quarterbacks, as I have already addressed.
In my view there were far too many who treated you harshly, Johnboy, in the South Jersey Forum as if you were stupid for getting in that situation and handled it badly. Fantasy is expounding how easy it is to avoid tickets and charges (it isn't; however, there are some things to remember in the Bill of Rights that, if properly exercised, that might make such problems easier to defend in court,) and how easy it is to defend tickets and charges or have them reduced (that may be true, but it doesn't come without a cost of time and money and / or having the right legal representation) Reality is sweating out the negative possible outcomes, committing your time to court appearances and seeking legal advice, paying money for legal fees and fines, having to stand before the judge, and living with the consequences of a court decision.
Again, thank you for sharing your experience. It taught me a LOT more about mongering in Camden than a paragraph about how some guy got a BJ from a girl with a vague description, whose name he can't remember, and sketchy details about the encounter.
When reading the recent legal difficulties of Johnboy and others in Camden for solicitation-related offenses, and Love to Monger's 10 year old ticketing experience for intent to buy a controlled substance, they reminded me of the only 2 run-ins I have ever had with Philly's finest (except for a large recent traffic accident; that had nothing to do with mongering, but it would be a lesson well learned for anyone involved in a traffic accident with police on the scene, especially here in Philly)
These incidents happened many years ago, so long in fact, that I wouldn't even be able to recall the exact years. But, it was in the vicinity of 10 to 12.
The first involved parking with a SW. I still do parking dates, but not nearly so many as I once did, for many reasons in addition to LE exposure. During this particular incident I was parked at night in what I thought was a relatively secluded area. We had only been there 5 minutes or so when a squad car pulled up silently behind us with its lights off. It was so pitch black there that I didn't even see it in my mirrors. My only guess is that a pedestrian or nearby resident (although it bordered an abandoned industrial area and houses were a good distance away) had alerted LE, or maybe the squad car had seen us pull into the area and were suspicious. Otherwise, how did they know to sneak up on us so quickly, quietly and unobtrusively like that?
All of a sudden the beacon beam from the squad car was directly shining on us in the back seat from a 3/4 angle. All she was wearing was her undies, and I had my pants and boxers pulled completely down to the floor. She was in the process of sucking my cock. Talk about being caught red-handed! They allowed us to get dressed and then questioned us separately (a reason to get a story straight between you if you do a parking date). Very fortunately she was a burban girl just trying to make a little extra dough, and had no priors, no outstanding warrants and was carrying no drugs. My record at that time (and still to today) was squeaky clean: no tickets, no arrests, no convictions, not even a moving violation or a parking ticket.
Thoughts were racing through my head. They could certainly try to charge us with solicitation of prostitution but there was no evidence unless we incriminated ourselves. I was hoping she was smart enough not to do that, and she didn't, nor did I. However, they pressed us very hard to do so by telling us it would go a lot easier for us if we simply told them the truth. One charge I knew they may have us dead to rights on was public lewdness, although, even this might be very defensible, given where we were. Nonetheless, you can easily be charged with anything, as LE in Camden has shown us on numerous occasions. Fortunately, Philly LE have more important things to worry about to allocate time for court appearances, like robberies, shootings, battery, drug offenses and murder.
They eventually cut the SW loose and she was allowed to walk away. I thought this was a very good sign, but they kept me there for about another 30 minutes, seemingly checking out my paperwork, my record and the record on my vehicle, which I knew would all be in order and spotless. If their tactic was to scare me shitless, they succeeded. They left with a stern warning. For a long time I did no parking dates, and even today, I am extremely cautious about doing so.
The second incident involved a bad pick-up and is a primary reason why I have consistently warned against doing any pick-ups directly on the K.
I was traveling west on a side street approaching a "hot SW corner" on the K. A SW was clearly posted on the corner ahead of me. I stopped 1/4 block short of the K to get her attention, but she was focused on the traffic on the Ave and didn't turn around to see me. So, instead of driving to the corner and motioning for her to meet me further back down the block and circling back to pick her up, I did the convenient and boneheaded thing of picking her up right on the corner. This was bad for two reasons. This was a stretch of the Ave that had a fairly clear line of sight in both directions, and pulling up like that didn't enable you to see what was driving in either direction, so you were picking her up blind so to speak. The second problem was that the street dead ended at the K and you had to make a turn onto the Ave and travel for a block or two before getting off again.
When I turned onto the K I saw a squad car two cars behind me and I was thinking: "shit! " I hoped he wouldn't follow, but no such luck. He followed me for several blocks. Eventually the car directly behind me veered off and LEO was right behind me. He followed me for a few more blocks and then turned on the bubble gum machines. I pulled over, hoping against hope that it was meant for someone else, but he got out and approached my window. It was a single LEO in the car. That was a bit unusual as patrols usually travel in pairs. I noticed from his badge that his assigned district was not this district. I did not know if that meant anything in terms of his "jurisdiction" in certain matters, like this one (and I still don't know, unless a fellow monger can enlighten me and us on these legalities and / or police procedure regarding this in Philly). However, my guess was that this was better than not, and my further guess was that, since he was driving alone, that he may have likely been returning the squad car to his district HQ and just happened to see me in the process.
He checked my paperwork, inspected my car (a reason always to have this stuff in order), and ran a background check. Then he came to my window and asked me what was going on. I asked him politely if I had done something wrong, and he said "You know what I mean, " and pointed to my passenger and said: "Her. " I told him I was giving her a ride. He said, "Look, I am out here every day. I know what goes on at that corner. I saw you pick her up. " I simply said nothing. He motioned for her to get out and cut us both loose. He didn't even give us a warning, or check her for warrants, but I was still scared shitless.
Later I had a date with that very same SW and she told me she recognized the LEO and was pretty sure he recognized her. So, that may have been a primary reason he was so sure about stopping us, in addition to the obvious corner.
These stories have several instructive morals IMHO:
1. Be VERY cautious when you do a parking date. I was very lucky. You may not be so fortunate.
2. Don't do pick-ups directly on the stroll!
3. Philly LE seem to have a lot more to worry about than ticketing or arresting SWs and mongers. However, I wouldn't rely on their priorities and discretionary leniency to always cut you a break. They have bigger fish to fry on the K, like drugs and violence, but SWs don't have a pile of outstanding warrants, priors, and lock-ups for nothing.
4. When you pick up a SW, establish a consistent believable story between you as to why you are traveling together, because, if you are stopped you may be questioned separately. Stick to your stories!
5. If you are stopped, be polite, but don't incriminate yourself or voluntarily agree to a search (even if you have nothing to hide). You don't have to be a legal smart-ass, but you should appropriately exercise your 4th and 5th amendment rights and know how to do so. The links provided in this Forum to the videos on that are very instructive in this regard.
6. It is far better to be lucky than smart! :D