Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

Full respect for your opinion JMaul. I do enjoy your contributions. Keep in mind, not everyone uses a password system. It can simply be her private phone number. Password or not, it doesn't mean a monger can go spread it around like wild fire if he gets it. That's the main point.

I do have some counterpoints though to your response, which I fully understand but disagree with.

[QUOTE=JMaul;5610868] I would contest that whomever is creating the password isn't doing it for the woman in question, it's 100% for the password keeper's own personal benefit. [/QUOTE]I take offense to this. I have a UTR who is not my type, but I recognized she was flirting with danger when I discovered her. So I am helping her so she doesn't do something stupid like post on STG and get into trouble, but also at the same time I brought a commodity to the team. I have not seen her since I started helping her, despite her quality oral skills. So I get no benefit. Believe me or don't based on my track record in this forum.

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Just how many of these "password protected UTR" providers actually have a decent track record, are drug free, don't have significant comm issues and are somewhat reliable. [/QUOTE]Mine. At least two of mine Sunny and Tiffany who I helped get started had good reviews. I've tried helping others and if they didn't hold up I stopped (ie Casino Girl).

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There are some great UTRs that have come and gone and needed no password or affiliation with any specific monger needed.
[/QUOTE]100% agreed. And you don't publish her phone for the whole world to see if she's UTR, right?

[QUOTE=JMaul;5610868] this isn't being done out of the kindness of people's hearts. At best it's getting a finders fee or free service. At worst it's the same thing as a damn handler. .[/QUOTE]I understand that concern, so that's for each of us to decide just like when you evaluate an STG ad. If a monger is too involved in negotiations, setup, etc that's a red flag. Be mindful. Form your own opinion.

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But best of luck to you all.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the civil discussion in the argument forum, LOL.

[QUOTE=Benz1;5611304]Then you should stop seeing miss hunter.

She has found passwords to be very advantageous to her hobby business in the past.[/QUOTE]Well now I am going to speak up.

I am going to give my perspective on passwords now that I am now being brought into it.

Passwords are used by handlers and those that are looking for freebies. Now its up to the girl to decide if they are going to oblige with those requests from those gentlemen, and I hate to even refer to these guys as gentlemen. I look at them like the pimps they are TRYING to be. Most are fat washed up old men who feel power behind a keyboard and looking for a blow job here and there.

Most girls are naïve and are willing to do whatever to make money and see passwords as a "safe" way of doing so. I can tell you that they DON'T work 100% and they only lead to bigger headaches a lot of the time. If a girl is actually intelligent and not a drug user she could easily handle the verification process on her own. We just don't see a lot of women with basic common sense doing this line of work.

Just look at Debra Hollander or Zara? Does they use a passwords? Look at their reviews and their verification process, do you ever hear about these providers ever having any issues? I guess its all about the clientele you are also trying to attract as well. I am very picky on who I see and if a picture isn't accompanied with a text I AM NOT seeing you. End of discussion.

I also don't agree with certain tactics on how these girls are being brought in to the industry by certain people but that's a post for another day.

Red flags. When they try and text you saying "look at how much money I brought you" those guys are a P I M P and you need to run and stay FAR away from them. They will turn to other tactics to stalk if you don't comply with their requests. It ain't worth your safety in the long run.

IDK take my opinion as whatever but I am just offering my POV as a provider.

XOXO Hunter.

[QUOTE=Blackfire;5611206]Thank you Jmaul. I think many may think the same as you, few have the balls to post it and even fewer could have written those thoughts so eloquently.[/QUOTE]Funny I've been calling a person out for awhile now only to get lambasted with child like banter from 5 fuking idiots that think this fool is king he has continually taken toothless street walkers that get 20 $ given them a "password" and boom like sharks on chum 20 $ went to 150 $ , and he is benefitting, the worst part he seeks addicts in the "oh I will help you" that's the lowest part, but the 5 that ass kiss him believe his bullshit, I have no clue this other guy but even as a relatively new he seen through the guys bullshit but hey you five keep paying 130 $ more than you should and probley 80 $ goes in your kings pocket.

Whether its a pw or just the digits not being public its still the same issue. Sometimes you find a girl wanting more extra cash than you can give her yourself and if she's not done this before she's not keen on having her cell# all over the internet and every swinging dick in the world contacting her at all hours wanting to fuck. This girl is generally concerned with safety as well. She doesn't want LE and doesn't want some douchbag contacting her. I had one a while back like this. Young mother, super hot girl. She just wants some quick cash because she's in a bind. Not looking to join the hobby and is not the typical street girl. I now have a choice: tell her sorry can't help you, share her digits only with people I trust (with or without a pw, what's the differrence? Or share them with everyone on earth. If I tell her sorry can't help you nobody gets anything: girls gets no cash, mongers miss out. If I share her digits all over willy nilly she will likely never trust me again. Why would I choose that option? I want to see her again too! Why should I lose my find just to keep some of you from being butt hurt? So I only shared her with a few guys I trusted on here. Seems like the best option of the 3 to me.

I get the bad feelings some of you have but if you're not an asshat on here and you participate and gain trust seniors here will share with you. Is that so hard? I know this is 2021 so this will be a shock to some but YOU'RE NOT FUCKING ENTITLED!

Way back around 2005, shortly after this forum left WSG, when I was very new to this board I asked Jum Hall for digits he advertised. He proceeded to chastize me publically for being greedy and not sharing digits before asking for them. Yea, I was pissed at the time. But I kept posting, see girls, sharing info. And digits and eventually people here trusted me and shared.

[QUOTE=Monger01;5611638]Whether its a pw or just the digits not being public its still the same issue. Sometimes you find a girl wanting more extra cash than you can give her yourself and if she's not done this before she's not keen on having her cell# all over the internet and every swinging dick in the world contacting her at all hours wanting to fuck. This girl is generally concerned with safety as well. She doesn't want LE and doesn't want some douchbag contacting her. I had one a while back like this. Young mother, super hot girl. She just wants some quick cash because she's in a bind. Not looking to join the hobby and is not the typical street girl. I now have a choice: tell her sorry can't help you, share her digits only with people I trust (with or without a pw, what's the differrence? Or share them with everyone on earth. If I tell her sorry can't help you nobody gets anything: girls gets no cash, mongers miss out. If I share her digits all over willy nilly she will likely never trust me again. Why would I choose that option? I want to see her again too! Why should I lose my find just to keep some of you from being butt hurt? So I only shared her with a few guys I trusted on here. Seems like the best option of the 3 to me.

I get the bad feelings some of you have but if you're not an asshat on here and you participate and gain trust seniors here will share with you.[/QUOTE]Well said my friend. I completely agree with your sentiments and certainly understand where you are coming from. Lots of things to consider before hitting send.

[QUOTE=Monger01;5611638]Whether its a pw or just the digits not being public its still the same issue. Sometimes you find a girl wanting more extra cash than you can give her yourself and if she's not done this before she's not keen on having her cell# all over the internet and every swinging dick in the world contacting her at all hours wanting to fuck. This girl is generally concerned with safety as well. She doesn't want LE and doesn't want some douchbag contacting her. I had one a while back like this. Young mother, super hot girl. She just wants some quick cash because she's in a bind. Not looking to join the hobby and is not the typical street girl. I now have a choice: tell her sorry can't help you, share her digits only with people I trust (with or without a pw, what's the differrence? Or share them with everyone on earth. If I tell her sorry can't help you nobody gets anything: girls gets no cash, mongers miss out. If I share her digits all over willy nilly she will likely never trust me again. Why would I choose that option? I want to see her again too! Why should I lose my find just to keep some of you from being butt hurt? So I only shared her with a few guys I trusted on here. Seems like the best option of the 3 to me.

I get the bad feelings some of you have but if you're not an asshat on here and you participate and gain trust seniors here will share with you. Is that so hard? I know this is 2021 so this will be a shock to some but YOU'RE NOT FUCKING ENTITLED!.[/QUOTE]There are exceptions to every generality. And predictably a couple have already been noted. In this example it seems the best way that would be handled is all back channel, message a couple friends. Never needs to be on the board at all. When it gets to the open board posting the motives and appearance of "pimping" becomes much more notable. If it's an "UTR" and just want a "couple of guys" why broadcast it on the open board at all? Why not just keep it in your close circle or the "team" as I've seen it referred to here?

[QUOTE=TitLover420;5611083]You guys are so fuckin stupid of course I scammed you all. And watch I'll do it again and you won't even realize you stupid old fucks. BTW got your utr digits last night from a fellow monger. Guess you can't trust anyone. We got a hotel room on the north end of town and we're there for a hour. Wow she's great! I'll have to share it with the other guys who have been asking. The way she can suck a dick and and that tongue swirl she does. Amazing. Thanks again![/QUOTE]OMG I can't believe you decided to brag about this! At first I was pissed but then I called her. Yes, she did confirm that she saw someone at the hotel but it didn't go quite like you said. She said "he didn't even last long enough for me to remove his pants" LOL. She also said you spent the better part of the hour watching really weird porn on your phone trying get it up again. What exactly did you watch? She said it was disturbing stuff so you just watched it by yourself while she waited. Luckily she said you are a small little guy (in all aspects) so she was never threatened by you but she said it was a very awkward experience. She said the second time you got "a little chubby" and it wasn't much better, just not as messy like when you came on your own clothes. The biggest issue she had is you tried to weasel out of the 1 hr donation because the total time you let her touch you was less than a short stay. WTF, she's not an escort so she doesn't even know what "SS" even means! She said no way would she ever see you again so she's blocked your number.

She also said a few other funny things that I can't post publicly. It's frickin hilarious so I'll probably PM a few of the senior members. Actually I may have to post it because it's too good not to share. I can't believe you thought it was a good idea to troll and then brag about it! Too funny.

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;5611811]OMG I can't believe you decided to brag about this! At first I was pissed but then I called her. Yes, she did confirm that she saw someone at the hotel but it didn't go quite like you said. She said "he didn't even last long enough for me to remove his pants" LOL. She also said you spent the better part of the hour watching really weird porn on your phone trying get it up again. What exactly did you watch? She said it was disturbing stuff so you just watched it by yourself while she waited. Luckily she said you are a small little guy (in all aspects) so she was never threatened by you but she said it was a very awkward experience. She said the second time you got "a little chubby" and it wasn't much better, just not as messy like when you came on your own clothes. The biggest issue she had is you tried to weasel out of the 1 hr donation because the total time you let her touch you was less than a short stay. WTF, she's not an escort so she doesn't even know what "SS" even means! She said no way would she ever see you again so she's blocked your number.

She also said a few other funny things that I can't post publicly. It's frickin hilarious so I'll probably PM a few of the senior members. Actually I may have to post it because it's too good not to share. I can't believe you thought it was a good idea to troll and then brag about it! Too funny.[/QUOTE]If we can't trust any of these assholes, I'll be keeping Lilliana and SBJ's sister to myself.

Sorry guys but this messed up BS is your fault for spreading shit you shouldn't be.

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;5611811]Luckily she said you are a small little guy (in all aspects) [/QUOTE]Ahh Napoleon complex. This explains all the over the top over compensation. You now need to buy a red sports car titlover to complete the stereotype.

With all the talk about passwords lately.

It reminds me of something a provider once told me that was said to her from someone on this board. "If I do for you, you do for me."

Just some food for thought.

Have a great day.

I didn't reply in the thread, apparently your post can be compromised (deleted) if you respond to someone else's and that individual deletes their post.

Private Parts. You bring up good points. The risk of providing general remarks means that they don't fit every single person or provider. None of my negative remarks about password hoarding (or is it whoring?) pertain to people who doing it in the interest of the provider.

I still think passwords are stupid AF. How someone can determine the validity of another individual on this forum simply by the remarks they make is beyond me. I want nothing to do with people who use it for their own personal benefit. To say that everyone is using it to their own personal benefit was a bit too much, but why'all got to It does happen . And probably more so than you may be led to believe.

I've had to communicate via email with providers to gain their trust. Send a PM in this forum. Use another provider for reference. But a password from one member to another does not validate a client for a provider. At best you may think it does. At worst it's no different than a handler. Maybe we will have to agree to disagree there LOL.

Personally I'd prefer to keep you all out of my discussions with the beautiful women of GR and although the thought of a hot threesome is appealing, it unfortunately doesn't include you. Two ladies you bet, but not you.

The best providers you hear about on these forums don't use passwords because they don't need to. They find ways to ensure they see reasonable clients and not assholes. And per other posts it sounds like there's great providers that aren't reviewed here because they are truly UTR.

To each their own. It's pretty easy for me, I've found some people have the same experience I do with someone and it helps me to understand who I may want to visit based on the trustworthiness of their other posts. There are those I don't trust.

Some of the worst experiences I've had were from providers being unnecessarily promoted, many with a password.

Every single one of my great experiences didn't require the help of another member or password to make it happen.

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I think for me it's a pretty tried and true method to just go on my own and not let someone else moderate.

[QUOTE=VetteMan6981;5605268]Since UTRs seem to be the subject of the day, I have to say I am a bit disappointed in the few UTRs that have been shared with me. I keep getting all excited thinking they are going to be young Hotties that look so good they don't need to advertise due to a line of guys waiting for their change to be next. Then I see the pic and realize it is just some woman who is so plain I could probably pick her up for free if I saw her at a bar and would even pass on the chance then. Maybe I have just not been lucky and introduced to the good UTRs yet.[/QUOTE]Well, probably not the best attitude and post to put out there if you were hoping to get to the good UTR's. Just my humble opinion.

[QUOTE=SlippingDog;5611915]With all the talk about passwords lately.

It reminds me of something a provider once told me that was said to her from someone on this board. "If I do for you, you do for me."

Just some food for thought.

Have a great day.[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure I have heard those exact words from someone here on the board. Interesting.

One more quick note that I didn't include earlier. If you have to be "friends" with someone to get a password don't you think you should know that person personally like actually have met the person? What classifies you as a friend of anyone then, your keyboard skills? I know I have personally seen certain "friends of" and they were the biggest assholes I have ever met and they got the boot quickly. Again verification is a very simple safe process if done correctly and efficiently.

I understand there are certain mongers out here that genuinely have the providers best interest at heart and want to help them out,These guys actually pay for the service. I am certainly not saying that all password holders are like this but in my experience certain ones only want free services or actually they expect it. I also believe that giving digits vs passwords is a BIG difference. Giving a girls number to a select few people that you can trust is different than having control of passwords and who can and cannot see your UTR. That is where the line gets crossed, when you start to encroach in the negotiations (ie asking to give discounts to certain friends) and also essentially picking the clientele for the provider.

Again my warning for all. If you are seeing a provider with a "password" handler you are only asking for trouble. If someone offers to give your number to a select few people to help you out that's a totally different situation and obviously a relationship has been built between the provided and the person handing out the number.

Looking at all the aspects of safety and I can understand how people would think a password is a safe bet but obviously that has now been proven to be fake news.

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Thanks to those who understand and will support the process positively.[/QUOTE]Exactly correct.

I've been here in GR for a year now, starting from scratch, and although I've gotten some digits privately from several of our senior members, I've never even asked for a UTR's yet, for a couple reasons - 1) I don't have the play budget to do this very often. I play with permission, and try to keep it moderate, and 2) because of that, I usually can't jump right on a new UTR as they pop up on the radar from Benz or the others, and 3) I still feel like I'm building that rapport and trust in this forum by seeing known providers and providing accurate reviews when I see them to share to others. I try to be the example I'd like others to be. If only we all did that.

I am fairly new to USASG, but I'm over twenty years in the hobby. Patience and respect go way further. These young idiots ruin it for everyone. I hope the moderators hurry up and delete this riff-raff. They are a cancer and need to be cut out, and we know they'll start over with new profiles, but at least they won't be senior members anymore, and it will be obvious who they are before they can re-establish that rank.

For you guys with the UTR's. Thanks for the efforts and keeping them safe. I for one appreciate the efforts and hope to indulge some day with them, whether they are UTR or come out as a full provider.

HF.

[QUOTE=HornyFlyer;5612037]Well, probably not the best attitude and post to put out there if you were hoping to get to the good UTR's. Just my humble opinion.[/QUOTE]You'd think, but not really. I would say I've left more bad reviews of Benz's UTRs I've seen than good reviews. It hasn't affected my ability to get referrals from him. Most of us don't require obedience. Its not a cult. Be respectful and truthful. Don't mistreat the girl so she stays active.