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Pre pay.

I book almost all my all time favs and utrs via pre-pay methods.

The biggest risk is the talking and cash meeting, take both those out the equation you can spend time getting to know your new friend.

Hard to find an honest one but once you do much easier to send an email and then just show up at a scheduled time, then all the phone tag and back and forth.

What they say? Never let the cash and the product meet don't have to worry about being robbed since no cash or valuables on site. She's in a better mood because she's not worrying about an envelope being short, or inappropriate or awkward conversations.

Great for her screening also, while you can't get rid of all risk, only the dumbest serial killers and rapists would leave that digital trail

No risk no reward

[QUOTE=Blackhawk 101; 1095472]Has anyone else paid pre-pay for a "Special Deal"? Provider asks for pre-paid of $100 last Friday to see her today at 9am for a "special" and so far she's a no show.

Has anyone else had a problem with a popular Massage provider? [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Titans123;1095515]When I first got into this hobby, I was scammed by a prepay no-show. I don't recall the name but I do recall the $$ I lost. I just chalked it up to a newbie learning curve.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Nash Ville; 1095665]Pre pay.

I book almost all my all time favs and utrs via pre-pay methods.

The biggest risk is the talking and cash meeting, take both those out the equation you can spend time getting to know your new friend.

Hard to find an honest one but once you do much easier to send an email and then just show up at a scheduled time, then all the phone tag and back and forth.

What they say? Never let the cash and the product meet don't have to worry about being robbed since no cash or valuables on site. She's in a better mood because she's not worrying about an envelope being short, or inappropriate or awkward conversations.

Great for her screening also, while you can't get rid of all risk, only the dumbest serial killers and rapists would leave that digital trail

No risk no reward[/QUOTE]Heard from the provider in question today and they had a VERY good excuse for missing yesterday. I thought something was wrong because, as I'm a regular, she gets all my money anyway LOL. Thanks to everyone for all the help and tips.

[QUOTE=Quiet Xperienc; 1096079]If I were a client, I would be completely against pre-pay. The idea of an electronic "paper trail" is not advisable either. If somebody really wanted to do pre-pay, I'd advise doing it only with providers you already know as a repeat client. If pre-pay becomes a new standard, it would be an excellent way to scam others (especially those without the experience of many on this board).

For a provider, having the envelope placed in the bathroom and then excusing yourself to check it is pretty standard (at least with most higher end providers). If it's short, you already know before rendering services to the cheap SOB. [/QUOTE]If I were a client I would be just the opposite, of course not for the first time, unless refered, but I would like prepay to become the standard, if your worried about the paper trail, it's nothing to get a moneypak at walmart so your end of the trail is anonymous. If it's a large amount just have her bill you for a computer or something. I highly doubt anyone is doing anything over 1000 on the regular so no need to worry about SARs.

The higher end ones I know have regular simple business and websites that have nothing to do with the biz, their simply word of mouth, purchase a catering, maid, computer, baking, consulting, design, gift baskets, type service they offer & get an appointment.

As far as reviews I really never use them for anything but comedy, word of mouth will always be the best promotion, online sites these days are for getting the word out, for those on the circuit, or for those just starting. If I see a woman on the main sites BP, CL for longer than 6 month that tells me all I need to know about her. If your any good should'nt take much longer than that to have a good base of regulars where you only really need those sites sparingly.

And again no product no cash no convo nothing to worry about ever. I would treat the biz like vegas is it a risk to just send someone 100-300 in advance yup, but to me it would be more risky showing up somewhere to a pace with at least that in my pocket and who knows how much more on site making it a valuable target to robbers and to uncle leo. 100-300 is pretty cheap compared to won't uncle leo could do.

Nash Ville:

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and not call you out for what you almost certainly are. A shill for a scam-artist or LE.

The idea that one can indemnify oneself against arrest and prosecution for patronizing prostitution by using Paypal is just silly.

To the contrary, should an individual be busted, after pre-paying via Paypal, any future prosecution would be just as sure as if they'the handed over the cash on the spot.

Using Paypal also creates a paper-trail that opens the client, and the provider, up to future prosecution – just as if a credit card had been used.

In addition, if Paypal ever discovers that you've used your account to pay for an illegal service it's all well within the terms of their EULA to freeze your account, and keep whatever funds you have in the PP account.

But like I said before, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[QUOTE=Nash Ville; 1095665]Pre pay.

I book almost all my all time favs and utrs via pre-pay methods.

The biggest risk is the talking and cash meeting, take both those out the equation you can spend time getting to know your new friend.

Hard to find an honest one but once you do much easier to send an email and then just show up at a scheduled time, then all the phone tag and back and forth.

What they say? Never let the cash and the product meet don't have to worry about being robbed since no cash or valuables on site. She's in a better mood because she's not worrying about an envelope being short, or inappropriate or awkward conversations.

Great for her screening also, while you can't get rid of all risk, only the dumbest serial killers and rapists would leave that digital trail

No risk no reward[/QUOTE]

Must be a provider trying a new angle. I think that is pretty much rule 1 in the hobby not to prepay. I'm not real smart, but I can't see the advantage for me.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and not call you out for what you almost certainly are. A shill for a scam-artist or LE.

The idea that one can indemnify oneself against arrest and prosecution for patronizing prostitution by using Paypal is just silly.

To the contrary, should an individual be busted, after pre-paying via Paypal, any future prosecution would be just as sure as if they'the handed over the cash on the spot.

Using Paypal also creates a paper-trail that opens the client, and the provider, up to future prosecution – just as if a credit card had been used.

In addition, if Paypal ever discovers that you've used your account to pay for an illegal service it's all well within the terms of their EULA to freeze your account, and keep whatever funds you have in the PP account.

But like I said before, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. [/QUOTE]

thanks for the benefit because i assure you i'm not, and you guys must be doing big things because eliot spitzers wire was for thousands of dollars which is bound to raise a sars flags these days, that being said he is still married still a millionaire and now has a million dollar tv deal, the 22 year old that ran the emperors club did 6 months her husband did 2 years when they were busted they had a million cash in a safe after years of doing business, she is now a writer for the new york post and the reason he was caught is because he made some very powerful and wealthy enemies basically slaps on the wrist i'd go sit in a cell right now for 2 years if i knew i had millions waiting for me on the outside.

with that being said to each there own paypal is for minor amounts or first time screening, money paks are anonymous for the client if paying for them in cash (technically you could get caught on camera with facial recognition tying you with time of purchase but thats a tin foil long shot) now how the provider sets up her moneypak account is on her, and its not to difficult to get assumed paypal accounts or money pak accounts.

i think we all agree the powers that be are more concerned with the **** and trafficking part of the industry and not a few hundred dollars every few weeks for pc repair, catering, etc would take a very long investigation with the vast majority of providers at such small amounts and lets be honest 1000s and up is a very small % of the business and a few hundred bucks doesn't raise flags as many products and services cost a few hundred bucks.

but anythings possible i guess everyone is comfy with their own process, i don't feel the need to carry a gun and don't mind risking a few hundred as i'm pretty good at picking out and screening scammers

as far as the money cleaning last time i checked nothing wrong about paying for pc repair or some brownies, going to drop your laptop off or pick the brownies up and then during the encounter sparks fly, i mean it would be a pretty elaborate set up to catch all that.

just saying some of you a little to paranoid which can be a good thing but its all about evidence and proving something in court no cash, no discussion of acts = very hard to arrest and prosecute, i don't expect the inexperienced providers or the bp clist type to know how to set up legit business' but i rarely deal with those.

the internet may of changed the "game" but lets remember back before the internet, word of mouth, great service and a fair rate still rains supreme and there's plenty of talent out there that's still word of mouth and utr even more so since the bp clist make it easier for them by being so blatant.

and lets not kid ourselves i would say 7 out of 10 on those sites are being forced, ****, worn out, or addicted to drugs after you take out the 9 of 10 that is just spam or scams and i just don't support or contribute to that to the best of my knowledge, i'm great at spotting them for the most part but none of us is perfect

I understand all the risks and concerns mentioned but it's like some of you just read the parts you want to and ignore or twist the rest.

No where did I ever mention credit cards of course you can get charged backed or charges disputed and that would lead straight to you, they have these things called pre-paid credit cards these days, and no ones said just willy nilly pre-pay it's all about trust and the amount of risk you would be willing to take.

I think it's a safe bet the link you posted that all those men paid in cash :) and most likely discussed services and most likely used bpage or clist LOL.

Nope cash can't be reversed but it can be used as evidence and it does make criminals more likely to get greedy, and uncle leo to become more interested.

Really this is a predominately cash business? Maybe on the lower ends but whether you like it or not cash is on the way out it's 2010 and it's only going to be less and less used over time especially for sophisticated providers.

So your really saying less than 1% of BP or clist ads are junkies, pimped out gang girls, worn out, or those who have no other choice?

I guess we live in different worlds. I can see the tattoos and know what gang or brand the girl is in, I can see the drugs or desperation in their eyes, I can tell by the scenery or hotel that they have no other choice, I can tell by the language, grammar, or pics and tell they really don't want to be there. Sorry I'm not into spending time with a woman who has no other choice, is doped up, or is forced to spend time with me call me a softy. But most of those guys deserve to have their pics plastered by supporting that, if the girls has no choice their basically paying to rape them.

I just went on the site right now and I guarantee 4 out of the 10 are just spam, scams, fake pics, or link bait. 2 are worn out been using the same pic for years. 4 are on the circuit (which is pretty much turnt out gang chicks being pimped most just scamming from city to city). I saw 1 or 2 that looked legit out of 12. I guess we just see different things.

I will agree the kids and trafficking are not part of the industry it's a scourge that I think all agree should go away but it's a lot bigger issue than people think, maybe not as big as the media lets on, but don't think all the above mentioned girls magically started at the legal age of 18.

Like I said eliot spitzer tried wiring 10, 000 dollars lmao and had powerful enemies, If you know the details of the story everyone pretty much got off scott free after making millions, and I guarantee they accepted credit cards, the police used to visit the emperors club almost daily and for the most part they really don't care unless women are being exploited or forced but they are just doing there jobs, thats why they focus on the low end sites because thats where most of the exploitation is going on not to mention how much easier it makes their job, I bet uncle leo is pissed clist censored itself because it just drove that whole disgusting market more underground they lost a valuable tool because the problem didn't go away just because clist removed a link.

But if the black helicopters start to hover and swat swings threw my windows guns drawn for sending a woman a few hundred dollars to fix the hard drive on my laptop or to bake me some homemade organic cookies for a bake sale oh well I guess. She's cheaper than the geek squad and the food tastes much better and is healthier than walmarts bakery and I get to support a local business not some corporate run conglomerate that also uses child slaves and exploitation to make the goods they sell;)

I'm not the type to discuss specifics or payments and actually know my rights so in the end it would be for a jury to decide anyway. I'm just buying some baked goods from great cooks.

I understand all the risks and concerns mentioned but it's like some of you just read the parts you want to and ignore or twist the rest.

No where did I ever mention credit cards of course you can get charged backed or charges disputed and that would lead straight to you, they have these things called pre-paid credit cards these days, and no ones said just willy nilly pre-pay it's all about trust and the amount of risk you would be willing to take.

I think it's a safe bet the link you posted that all those men paid in cash :) and most likely discussed services and most likely used bpage or clist LOL.

Nope cash can't be reversed but it can be used as evidence and it does make criminals more likely to get greedy, and uncle leo to become more interested.

Really this is a predominately cash business? Maybe on the lower ends but whether you like it or not cash is on the way out it's 2010 and it's only going to be less and less used over time especially for sophisticated providers.

So your really saying less than 1% of BP or clist ads are junkies, pimped out gang girls, worn out, or those who have no other choice?

I guess we live in different worlds. I can see the tattoos and know what gang or brand the girl is in, I can see the drugs or desperation in their eyes, I can tell by the scenery or hotel that they have no other choice, I can tell by the language, grammar, or pics and tell they really don't want to be there. Sorry I'm not into spending time with a woman who has no other choice, is doped up, or is forced to spend time with me call me a softy. But most of those guys deserve to have their pics plastered by supporting that, if the girls has no choice their basically paying to rape them.

I just went on the site right now and I guarantee 4 out of the 10 are just spam, scams, fake pics, or link bait. 2 are worn out been using the same pic for years. 4 are on the circuit (which is pretty much turnt out gang chicks being pimped most just scamming from city to city). I saw 1 or 2 that looked legit out of 12. I guess we just see different things.

I will agree the kids and trafficking are not part of the industry it's a scourge that I think all agree should go away but it's a lot bigger issue than people think, maybe not as big as the media lets on, but don't think all the above mentioned girls magically started at the legal age of 18.

Like I said eliot spitzer tried wiring 10, 000 dollars lmao and had powerful enemies, If you know the details of the story everyone pretty much got off scott free after making millions, and I guarantee they accepted credit cards, the police used to visit the emperors club almost daily and for the most part they really don't care unless women are being exploited or forced but they are just doing there jobs, thats why they focus on the low end sites because thats where most of the exploitation is going on not to mention how much easier it makes their job, I bet uncle leo is pissed clist censored itself because it just drove that whole disgusting market more underground they lost a valuable tool because the problem didn't go away just because clist removed a link.

But if the black helicopters start to hover and swat swings threw my windows guns drawn for sending a woman a few hundred dollars to fix the hard drive on my laptop or to bake me some homemade organic cookies for a bake sale oh well I guess. She's cheaper than the geek squad and the food tastes much better and is healthier than walmarts bakery and I get to support a local business not some corporate run conglomerate that also uses child slaves and exploitation to make the goods they sell;)

I'm not the type to discuss specifics or payments and actually know my rights so in the end it would be for a jury to decide anyway. I'm just buying some baked goods from great cooks.

And before anyon gos at my grammar and spelling I'm not writing my college thesis;)

I do apologize been bored and let my ego get the best of me I broke the first rule of fuck club LOL :)

Anyways can't find a way to edit or delete posts easily so ill try to find a way to delete my account I don't like that very much this will be my last post.

So for all the dreamers good luck and for the powers that be remember this is the internet,

I could just be some 15 years old kid, trying to make myself feel better by making stuff up I've seen on tv and in movies so make it worth your resources.

Happy holidays.

Remember tor is your friend

Happy holidays

I am out of town, wanted to check on whats up, can you put this shit in the rants and rave and let the board continue to put info about massage on the board!

[QUOTE=Maxim V;1097781]I am out of town, wanted to check on whats up, can you put this shit in the rants and rave and let the board continue to put info about massage on the board![/QUOTE]I have to agree. Trying to check info on my BB and having to read through all this is a NO GO!

Guy's Go to Gen Info topic or one of the other topic boards.

Some good info but lets put it where it belongs.

[QUOTE=Quiet Xperienc; 1098354]It's amazing how your original question led to all this. I'm sorry I didn't just say,"Let's take this discussion elsewhere." Hopefully the popular massage provider isn't who I think it is.

In the past, crackdowns have happened in some areas with the whole "massage" thing. Apparently LE considers this kind of unregulated "massage" to be a form of prostitution.

Not sure who that guy was, but encouraging pre-pay so strongly seemed odd to me.

So be careful getting massages, particularly in upscale areas south of town. (I won't elaborate, but I've heard chatter about recent busts.) [/QUOTE]He was asking for me (Thanks BH). I had posted a few days ago that all was ok and resolved. Didn't mean to start a big off topic discussion LOL but thanks to all who gave advice and tips. Now, on to on topic discussions.

[QUOTE=Bigb7272;1098594]He was asking for me (Thanks BH). I had posted a few days ago that all was ok and resolved. Didn't mean to start a big off topic discussion LOL but thanks to all who gave advice and tips. Now, on to on topic discussions.[/QUOTE]Yep I had no ideal it would get to this point. Hopefully I will have some good info to report tonight.

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