MSP Sugar

Scammer.

Chatted with her on the site and moved to text after a bit.

Needed to reschedule the first meet. Met for coffee near her place. She was wearing a top with her tits popping out and her nipples on full display (they were quite the site). Conversation was totally boring.

Offered to go to her place or a hotel. She said she wanted first meet to be platonic and she needed to be up early for her job (delivery driver).

Texted next day asking why no PPM for platonic meet.

Good luck to someone else. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8ffad1ee-d5ee-48a5-9821-661edd49d7e9[/URL].

[QUOTE=BBQ21;6022496]Did you meet with her? Report?[/QUOTE]I think these profiles are the same person. Who can report? Others have reported she's legit but what is she like? She seems to be marketing pretty hard.

Curious what your average number of dates is with a new SB.

For me I would say 1 or 2.

[QUOTE=BBQ21;5996891].....

I am banned from SA. I know how to get back on but it takes some work. So in a moment of weakness, I paid $90 for credits on Secret Benefits. It's a blast watching the verification videos and comparing what you see in the video with the edited pictures. Also some of them look decent but after hearing two words come out of their mouth you want to run LOL. Anyway, I used the credit to contact about 15 girls. I think I got replies from maybe three of them. And it didn't go anywhere.

I did some browsing as an upaid member on What Is Your Price. Seems like at any point in time there are only about 10 recently visited profiles. Does anyone have success on this site?

Have a good 4th![/QUOTE]I've had better success on SB than SA in terms of $300 or less but I'm getting to upper 50's and care more about the face and experience than a perfect figure. I prefer chubby or even thick so I get far less competition. 100% agree on the verification videos though. I see some with sexy pics, some clearly professional and then they have a video of them with a fucking haircap on, or what looks like a meth den in the background. It's so common it should be a meme.

WYP was interesting but a bust. In most cases, you can find their profiles on SB or Seeking so there's no point in paying at least $50 and usually a $100 or more to just meet. If you have disposable income and some game, I've heard of some who've gotten laid for just dinner / drinks and no extra beyond the $150-200 initial meet but it's more likely you'll just have an awkward meal and get a hug at best.

Seeking is good every few months to set up a new pipeline, especially if I'm traveling but the potentials in Minnesota have really declined. Even more scammers, ones who change their location every few days, or like others have mentioned, suddenly need gas money (what a crock of shit) to meet. I just reply I don't send $ in advance ever and don't do arrangements with anyone so desperate as it never works out.

[QUOTE=WiseTraveler;6032743]I've had better success on SB than SA in terms of $300 or less but I'm getting to upper 50's and care more about the face and experience than a perfect figure. I prefer chubby or even thick so I get far less competition. 100% agree on the verification videos though. I see some with sexy pics, some clearly professional and then they have a video of them with a fucking haircap on, or what looks like a meth den in the background. It's so common it should be a meme.

WYP was interesting but a bust. In most cases, you can find their profiles on SB or Seeking so there's no point in paying at least $50 and usually a $100 or more to just meet. If you have disposable income and some game, I've heard of some who've gotten laid for just dinner / drinks and no extra beyond the $150-200 initial meet but it's more likely you'll just have an awkward meal and get a hug at best.

Seeking is good every few months to set up a new pipeline, especially if I'm traveling but the potentials in Minnesota have really declined. Even more scammers, ones who change their location every few days, or like others have mentioned, suddenly need gas money (what a crock of shit) to meet. I just reply I don't send $ in advance ever and don't do arrangements with anyone so desperate as it never works out.[/QUOTE]I actually did end up meeting a lady in her 50's that was on SB. I got her down to 200 and we met at a hotel. She seemed emotionally unstable and sure enough she ghosted me. Which is fine. The rest of my credits were used to contact about 12 hot-looking ladies and I got two brief replies and then nothing.

I feel like the average age of the ladies on Seeking has increased a fair amount. On the other hand, most of the ladies on SB are under 25.

Why do you think the number of legit profiles has declined on SA?

[QUOTE=BBQ21;6031728]Curious what your average number of dates is with a new SB.

For me I would say 1 or 2.[/QUOTE]I have seen one woman 60+ times, so my numbers are probably skewed somewhat LOL. But if I see someone only 1 or 2 times, it probably means something didn't go well. It could mean a variety of things such as the sex was not great or they wanted more money than I thought was reasonable. It could also be as simple as our schedules just don't match up or I meet someone I like better.

Assuming things go well the first couple meeting, it is usually around the 3rd or maybe 4th that I decide if might be something longer term. By then you should have gotten to know them somewhat and if they are someone you like spending time with.

Also, the sex should get better the each time you see them for at least the first 3 or 4 times as you learn about what gets them off in bed and their best skills. Even if the sex was great the first time, my feeling is that if you only see them them 1 or 2 times you probably won't know what they are really capable of in bed.

[QUOTE=BBQ21;6032915]I actually did end up meeting a lady in her 50's that was on SB. I got her down to 200 and we met at a hotel. She seemed emotionally unstable and sure enough she ghosted me. Which is fine. The rest of my credits were used to contact about 12 hot-looking ladies and I got two brief replies and then nothing.

I feel like the average age of the ladies on Seeking has increased a fair amount. On the other hand, most of the ladies on SB are under 25.

Why do you think the number of legit profiles has declined on SA?[/QUOTE]With the SB site, it's partly luck but also having a good memory for seeing a profile you've seen on seeking before. Generally, if a Secret Benefits SB has a seeking profile, they'll be higher priced and may not even respond to messages on [URL]SB.com[/URL]. It also depends on your type. If you are messaging college age / under 30, fit, well dressed types, you know the ones who always have a pic of themself on a yacht, somewhere in Europe, or on a sports car, they generally end up seeking and want more PPM or a full arrangement.

Seeking has fewer legit profiles as the job market is overall pretty good and the target audience has learned more about the realities of sugaring: Old pervs, younger guys trying to date free / cheap, splenda daddies, scammers, time wasters, and *gasp* that there aren't hundreds of local lonely men who will throw money, trips, and shopping sprees at them for cute selfies, dinner, and the ubiquitous "deep conversations" combined with only hearing success stories from only their hottest friends. It's like Crypto. It was great while it lasted but now the downsides are far clearer and not worth the risk for most people.

That said, inflation has increased the number of active profiles on [URL]SB.com[/URL]. I'm getting 2-5 unsolicited messages per week and I haven't logged in for over a month. There are more unique profiles that aren't just toe dippers 'seeing what's out there'.

After reading thousands of profiles, I've developed a pretty good sense of who is likely to be active and in my $ range. I avoid sparse profiles that just say 'weekly dinners and travel' or long dear diary entries where they pour their hearts and dreams into every paragraph. Neither are realistic.

Re: Avg # of meets is hard to say but the most typical outcomes are either 1-2, 5-6, or 15-20. 1-2 is because we don't click or they're not reliable (ask for advances, bring drama, etc.). 5-6 if they seem to get bored or complacent or I lose interest. It happens. They might also move or find a new boyfriend. The few who got to 15-20 was because they could host close by and loved sex and often didn't even want $.

[QUOTE=Ryan33;6033810]I have seen one woman 60+ times, so my numbers are probably skewed somewhat LOL. But if I see someone only 1 or 2 times, it probably means something didn't go well. It could mean a variety of things such as the sex was not great or they wanted more money than I thought was reasonable. It could also be as simple as our schedules just don't match up or I meet someone I like better.

Assuming things go well the first couple meeting, it is usually around the 3rd or maybe 4th that I decide if might be something longer term. By then you should have gotten to know them somewhat and if they are someone you like spending time with.

Also, the sex should get better the each time you see them for at least the first 3 or 4 times as you learn about what gets them off in bed and their best skills. Even if the sex was great the first time, my feeling is that if you only see them them 1 or 2 times you probably won't know what they are really capable of in bed.[/QUOTE]Wow 60 times ha ha. How often do you meet with your sugar babies? I can only meet about twice a month. Do you seek out any particular age, ethnicity, body type etc? Wisetraveler seems to have good results with the thicker ladies.

Are you able to host? I am not able. How often can your sugar babies host? One thing you did not mention was that you stop meeting because the sugar baby ghosts you. Or you have texted a sugar baby for a few weeks but not met yet, and then she ghosts you. Most of my arrangements have ended because my sugar baby was having some mental health issues and was not stable or consistent.

[QUOTE=WiseTraveler;6034266]With the SB site, it's partly luck but also having a good memory for seeing a profile you've seen on seeking before. Generally, if a Secret Benefits SB has a seeking profile, they'll be higher priced and may not even respond to messages on [URL]SB.com[/URL]. It also depends on your type. If you are messaging college age / under 30, fit, well dressed types, you know the ones who always have a pic of themself on a yacht, somewhere in Europe, or on a sports car, they generally end up seeking and want more PPM or a full arrangement.

Seeking has fewer legit profiles as the job market is overall pretty good and the target audience has learned more about the realities of sugaring: Old pervs, younger guys trying to date free / cheap, splenda daddies, scammers, time wasters, and *gasp* that there aren't hundreds of local lonely men who will throw money, trips, and shopping sprees at them for cute selfies, dinner, and the ubiquitous "deep conversations" combined with only hearing success stories from only their hottest friends. It's like Crypto. It was great while it lasted but now the downsides are far clearer and not worth the risk for most people.

That said, inflation has increased the number of active profiles on [URL]SB.com[/URL]. I'm getting 2-5 unsolicited messages per week and I haven't logged in for over a month. There are more unique profiles that aren't just toe dippers 'seeing what's out there'.

After reading thousands of profiles, I've developed a pretty good sense of who is likely to be active and in my $ range. I avoid sparse profiles that just say 'weekly dinners and travel' or long dear diary entries where they pour their hearts and dreams into every paragraph. Neither are realistic.

Re: Avg # of meets is hard to say but the most typical outcomes are either 1-2, 5-6, or 15-20. 1-2 is because we don't click or they're not reliable (ask for advances, bring drama, etc.). 5-6 if they seem to get bored or complacent or I lose interest. It happens. They might also move or find a new boyfriend. The few who got to 15-20 was because they could host close by and loved sex and often didn't even want $.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the great overview! I had typed out a long reply but I got logged out and lost it. So I will post more later.

One last thing. I am attracted to Asian and Hispanic sugar babies. If anyone had phone numbers for me, please PM me!

Here are a few Seeking Screen names, that are best to avoid, unless you want unnecessary drama:

Seraphina: Major headcase. Another crazy from the 507 area code.

PrimaDonna: This one is interesting. Calls out of the blue, multiple times. Claims she butt dialed.

FlirtyBae: Basic questions annoy her. Wants $4 to meet and a ride to the cities.

Also, for sheer volume, fun, and bang for buck nothing beats Seeking. I have tried them all and more.

I signed up for the site. Its free. There are maybe like 5 to 10 active cuddlers in the Twin Cities area. Similar to Seeking, there are those that will engage you and then block you just for the fun of it.

I agreed to $120 for an hour with the cuddler hosting. I won't say anything here that could identify her. For the first 30 minutes or so, we just cuddled and talked. Then I asked if she wanted me to massage her and she said yes. I played the AMP game and began to graze her inner thighs etc. Soon I was fingering her and she seemed to enjoy it. I didn't ask her to do anything to me since it was our first session and I had no idea how open her menu was.

For me, it was a better experience than an AMP. Cuddling and good conversation is more intimate than a massage followed by a robotic HE. It feels more like a regular date and there is excitement to see what can happen.

I got banned because a cuddler reported me because a cuddler went PMS on me when I asked for two regular pictures instead of just one. And once that happens, if you try to create a new profile, they track your IP and Email address and even your picture. And the site admin is reading messages. So be careful.

[QUOTE=BBQ21;6051273]I signed up for the site. Its free. There are maybe like 5 to 10 active cuddlers in the Twin Cities area. Similar to Seeking, there are those that will engage you and then block you just for the fun of it.

I agreed to $120 for an hour with the cuddler hosting. I won't say anything here that could identify her. For the first 30 minutes or so, we just cuddled and talked. Then I asked if she wanted me to massage her and she said yes. I played the AMP game and began to graze her inner thighs etc. Soon I was fingering her and she seemed to enjoy it. I didn't ask her to do anything to me since it was our first session and I had no idea how open her menu was.

For me, it was a better experience than an AMP. Cuddling and good conversation is more intimate than a massage followed by a robotic HE. It feels more like a regular date and there is excitement to see what can happen.

I got banned because a cuddler reported me because a cuddler went PMS on me when I asked for two regular pictures instead of just one. And once that happens, if you try to create a new profile, they track your IP and Email address and even your picture. And the site admin is reading messages. So be careful.[/QUOTE]CC is great if you are traveling but you have to be paranoid and come across as legit in every on site communication. If you get banned, you can create a new profile using a new device (cheap tablet from Walmart, an old iPad) but it has to be something you've never visited the CC site before on and you cannot use your regular wifi. You should also use a very different email (so if you were cuddlebang01, don't use cuddlebang02) and completely different pictures (which they match as well). They not only track your email / IP address but wifi logins, device IDs, and pictures (via exif data and possibly facial recognition). CC has also gotten much more strict on anything that might be fun. Wouldn't be surprised if they go full legit and require verification. Some of the loudest 'keep it platonic / report everyone' types on the forums gave me extras LOL.

CuddleCompanions dot org tends to have more open minded cuddlers but you have to pay a 40% deposit and it's a pain to schedule since they will stop replying even after booking. You have to just be patient and keep trying to schedule. Pay for the first time then get their # and text after that.

[QUOTE=WiseTraveler;6052444]CC is great if you are traveling but you have to be paranoid and come across as legit in every on site communication. If you get banned, you can create a new profile using a new device (cheap tablet from Walmart, an old iPad) but it has to be something you've never visited the CC site before on and you cannot use your regular wifi. You should also use a very different email (so if you were cuddlebang01, don't use cuddlebang02) and completely different pictures (which they match as well). They not only track your email / IP address but wifi logins, device IDs, and pictures (via exif data and possibly facial recognition). CC has also gotten much more strict on anything that might be fun. Wouldn't be surprised if they go full legit and require verification. Some of the loudest 'keep it platonic / report everyone' types on the forums gave me extras LOL.

CuddleCompanions dot org tends to have more open minded cuddlers but you have to pay a 40% deposit and it's a pain to schedule since they will stop replying even after booking. You have to just be patient and keep trying to schedule. Pay for the first time then get their # and text after that.[/QUOTE]Yes at first I thought CC was a small company created by an amateur web developer. Everything you said is spot on. I created a new profile with a different IP, and different Email, and didn't use my real pictures. That seems to be working.

I have done two cuddling sessions with ladies on CC. The first lady had a professional job and seemed reasonably normal. The next lady was a hot mess. Mental health, drug and alcohol issues, notwithstanding a college degree and high intelligence. I went into her bathroom after the session to wash my hands and was shocked to see at least ten prescription bottles sitting on her sink. She told me she watches porn three times a day.

The apartments for both cuddlers were trashed. Clothes all over the place, sink full of dishes, junk sitting around, etc.

The first lady I met with got banned because she gave me her address and the session was not booked on the site.

Both ladies let me fiv, but neither of them made any moves on me. The first lady said she refuses to cum in front of guys, only herself. Right. The second lady said she couldn't come because she had already masturbated three times that day.

I took a look at the other site you mentioned. A few of the same profiles as on CC, and less local profiles than CC.

The trashed apartments and mental issues bring me down. I probably won't pursue these two again.

Seems like sex would be possible with these cuddlers at a lower price point than sugar babies or escorts. So if I find one I feel good about we will see.

[QUOTE=BBQ21;6039084]Wow 60 times ha ha. How often do you meet with your sugar babies? I can only meet about twice a month. Do you seek out any particular age, ethnicity, body type etc? Wisetraveler seems to have good results with the thicker ladies.

Are you able to host? I am not able. How often can your sugar babies host? One thing you did not mention was that you stop meeting because the sugar baby ghosts you. Or you have texted a sugar baby for a few weeks but not met yet, and then she ghosts you. Most of my arrangements have ended because my sugar baby was having some mental health issues and was not stable or consistent.[/QUOTE]How often I seem them really varies, but usually 1-3 times per month if it turns into a longterm arrangement. I have been seeing the one for just over 3 1/2 years, which is why the number is so high. I am also frequently seeing 2-3 woman at the same time.

As for age group I usually am looking in the 19-24 age group and my sweet spot over the years has been between 19-22. Having said that, my longterm arrangement was 21 when we first meet and she just recently turned 25. Also, the most recent woman I started seeing is a much older women who is 28 LOL. I turn 60 in a few months so getting a response from the younger ones is getting more difficult dispute the fact I lie about my age.

As for body type, I am slim and up to curvy, but not really thick, and well above average in looks. I know some avoid the hotter woman thinking they might have stuck up attitude, which is sometimes true, but if find one without the attitude they love to fuck as much as an average looking woman does. If I am going to spend the time and money on this there is no way I am settling for average.

As for location, the majority of the time it is a hotel and there have been a few that have lived alone and we meet at their place. I have also occasionally had them at my place. Prior the the pandemic I had one that would come to my place in the morning after my wife left for work, but now my wife works from home. There have been a variety of other places, one had a friend who let us use their place when they were at work, I have had 6 or 7 who have come to my office after work hours and had one who loved to do it in the car when we just had time for a quickie. Sometimes it helps to use you imagination instead of just doing the same thing all the time.

I don't think I have ever had to end an arrangement because she had psychological problems, I try to weed those out at the front end and never get involved with them. I did have the one that ghosted me earlier this year. Here is summary of who over the last yr or so and why things ended, not include the one I have been seeing for fee 3 years.

1. 21 yr old African American woman I was seeing on and off since she was 19 and it ended last summer. She was using me for sex until she found a older rich guy to marry, which she finally did. They are schedule to get married next July.

2. 21 yr old college student who is the one that ghosted me. She was the definition of hot college girl. Saw her from July to December and than she stopped responding to me, which was perplexing since we got along well and have no idea why she stopped seeing me or even communicating. She was back in seeking about a month later and from her new photos it looked like she may put the money I gave her toward breast augmentation, which was not needed.

3. 22 yr old who I had been pursuing off and on for over a yr and we finally hooked up. She was a lot of fun and great in bed, but her communication was horrible. Saw her 5 or 6 times and than decided to move on. It also looks like she now has a boyfriend. I attached a photo of her body, she definitely was not thick.

4. 22 yr old who I only saw couple times. We had fun and real issues, but something seemed little off with her and just drifted apart.

5. 28 yr old I just started seeing in June. She more on the curvy side compared to the others. Her photos on her profile are so good they almost look fake, but they were really her.

Probably more information than you wanted.

[QUOTE=Ryan33;6054085]How often I seem them really varies, but usually 1-3 times per month if it turns into a longterm arrangement. I have been seeing the one for just over 3 1/2 years, which is why the number is so high. I am also frequently seeing 2-3 woman at the same time.

As for age group I usually am looking in the 19-24 age group and my sweet spot over the years has been between 19-22. Having said that, my longterm arrangement was 21 when we first meet and she just recently turned 25. Also, the most recent woman I started seeing is a much older women who is 28 LOL. I turn 60 in a few months so getting a response from the younger ones is getting more difficult dispute the fact I lie about my age.

As for body type, I am slim and up to curvy, but not really thick, and well above average in looks. I know some avoid the hotter woman thinking they might have stuck up attitude, which is sometimes true, but if find one without the attitude they love to fuck as much as an average looking woman does. If I am going to spend the time and money on this there is no way I am settling for average.

As for location, the majority of the time it is a hotel and there have been a few that have lived alone and we meet at their place. I have also occasionally had them at my place. Prior the the pandemic I had one that would come to my place in the morning after my wife left for work, but now my wife works from home. There have been a variety of other places, one had a friend who let us use their place when they were at work, I have had 6 or 7 who have come to my office after work hours and had one who loved to do it in the car when we just had time for a quickie. Sometimes it helps to use you imagination instead of just doing the same thing all the time.

I don't think I have ever had to end an arrangement because she had psychological problems, I try to weed those out at the front end and never get involved with them. I did have the one that ghosted me earlier this year. Here is summary of who over the last yr or so and why things ended, not include the one I have been seeing for fee 3 years.

1. 21 yr old African American woman I was seeing on and off since she was 19 and it ended last summer. She was using me for sex until she found a older rich guy to marry, which she finally did. They are schedule to get married next July.

2. 21 yr old college student who is the one that ghosted me. She was the definition of hot college girl. Saw her from July to December and than she stopped responding to me, which was perplexing since we got along well and have no idea why she stopped seeing me or even communicating. She was back in seeking about a month later and from her new photos it looked like she may put the money I gave her toward breast augmentation, which was not needed.

3. 22 yr old who I had been pursuing off and on for over a yr and we finally hooked up. She was a lot of fun and great in bed, but her communication was horrible. Saw her 5 or 6 times and than decided to move on. It also looks like she now has a boyfriend. I attached a photo of her body, she definitely was not thick.

4. 22 yr old who I only saw couple times. We had fun and real issues, but something seemed little off with her and just drifted apart.

5. 28 yr old I just started seeing in June. She more on the curvy side compared to the others. Her photos on her profile are so good they almost look fake, but they were really her.

Probably more information than you wanted.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing all that! Very interesting! I am around your age but look younger I am told.

I will share some of the train wrecks that I recall over the past two or three years:

18 or 19-year-old Korean girl that was enrolled in a private high school and living with a host family. Smoking body and great sex. Decent communication. Dated maybe 4 months. Out of the blue, she said she needed to go home. Back to Korea with her family. She admitted later that she had told her host family she was going to commit suicide. Nothing to do with her circumstances, just crashed for no good reason.

Asian 21-year-old that was smart and fun to text with, but didn't want to rush into sex. I kept in touch with her for six months and gave her less than 1 K for all our lunches. Then she told me a bigger chuck of change would open the door to sex. So tried it and of course, nothing changed. I ended it.

Asian 21-year-old attending college. Sex was pretty good but communication was very inconsistent, which upset me for a variety of reasons. We were on and off again for 18 months. Very quirky, the mother is nuts, no father, etc. Never said thank you for extra help when most normal people would do so. Might lean toward women more than men. Very beautiful face and hot body. Oh well. Reminds me of the flaws that I perceive in many young women. Self-centered, inconsistent communication, do not show appreciation.

Asian 28-year-old, very intelligent, was on her own in China at age 12, would go quiet on me when depressed, told me after our arrangement ended that I had likely saved her from suicide. She left MN and ghosted me.

Here are a few more recent ones:

20-year-old Latina, very quiet, I am the only guy she has ever fucked. Generally reliable, but works a lot and has limited availability. Happily, the arrangement has been pretty much drama free.

26-year-old Asian, recently broke up with long term boyfriend, has a full-time job, parents were messed up so she grew up with siblings, she continued to live with the boyfriend's parents. And possibly the boyfriend. Even after they broke up. After about three dates with her. Say maybe six weeks. She crashed mentally and went to live with her sister. The sister treated her like a prisoner that needed to be watched so no more sugar dating. Last thing I heard she was going to live with family out of state. She ghosted me. She was very passionate and had some really good sex.

26-year-old foreign Latina student. Living with a host family that watches her. English is so so. Intelligent, sweet, and honest. Reliable so far. Very worried that someone will see her with an older guy, wants to be very discreet. After two dates we have been to third base but have not crossed home base yet, but that will change on the next date.

I have many more that I texted a few times but never met.