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[QUOTE=Getnati; 1492829]Horrible. She used to go by Vanessa. Sweet girl who had a pill addiction, not to mention an STD, but still sweet. Just terrible. RIP.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?8698-Backpage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1243624&viewfull=1#post1243624[/url][/QUOTE]Are you sure that's the same girl? I couldn't tell from the photos that it was.
-BigBird69
[QUOTE=BigBird69; 1493519]Are you sure that's the same girl? I couldn't tell from the photos that it was.
-BigBird69[/QUOTE]Yep, same one.
[QUOTE=Stimulus; 1493468]Looks like maybe a provider shot a customer. I found it a little odd that the victim was not mentioned by name.
Anybody know this girl?
[url]http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/cincinnati/Police-Woman-convinced-man-to-undress-then-robbed-him/-/13549970/15502778/-/dmwyv9/-/index.html[/url][/QUOTE]Hope, don't know her but. Houston, we've got a problem.
The female shoots him in the neck as he ran down the stairs; fleeing from being robbed. < Drumroll please >. She is being charged with aggravated robbery.
WTF happened to attempted murder when you shoot at someone and wound them in the neck with your handgun? Could be part of the issue with the crime rate in Cincy.
[QUOTE=Varoom; 1493721]Hope, don't know her but. Houston, we've got a problem.
The female shoots him in the neck as he ran down the stairs; fleeing from being robbed. < Drumroll please . She is being charged with aggravated robbery.
WTF happened to attempted murder when you shoot at someone and wound them in the neck with your handgun? Could be part of the issue with the crime rate in Cincy.[/QUOTE]She looks batshit crazy.
I used to deliver pizzas to the Sycamore, I told them it wasn't worth the risk.
[QUOTE=Jalex; 1145121]Mar 03, 4:00 pm.
(60 minutes)
Police Women of Cincinnati.
I'll Light You Up.
TV-14 (L) , CC.
Mandy rushes to a possible DUI accident where officers tase the suspected drunk driver; Colleen has to draw her weapon in the course of taking down an prostitution and drug haven; Rose responds to a shooting; Tia intercedes during a heated dispute.
*The DUI was dropped, BTW. He is still facing vehicular assault charges.[/QUOTE]A while back it was mentioned that possibly two shows were being filmed here. Does anybody have any word what became of that?
[QUOTE=Varoom; 1493721]Hope, don't know her but. Houston, we've got a problem.
The female shoots him in the neck as he ran down the stairs; fleeing from being robbed. < Drumroll please . She is being charged with aggravated robbery.
WTF happened to attempted murder when you shoot at someone and wound them in the neck with your handgun? Could be part of the issue with the crime rate in Cincy.[/QUOTE]Looks like the ***** who tried to rob me one night at the hyatt downtown. Pulled a switchblade and told her he / she to come up behind me and block me in. Damn good thing the stairwell there wasn't locked.
On the clerks web page it says 7 men and 1 woman were arrested for soliciting. Thats all the info I have. Did anyone see anything while they were out? Wish I had more.
Stay safe Mrnails
7 men were busted on the 17th. That's two fridays in a row uncle leo was busy cleaning our streets.
Stay safe mrnails
[url]http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/408208-sextrade-reprt.html[/url] This is a link to a report
A new report, based on a survey of 328 Ohioans in the sex trade, looks more closely at the multi-billion dollar international business through the eyes of its victims. The report reveals information on their lives and who their customers and distributors are. It includes details about the sex trade in Cincinnati. Gives some very good intel LOL.
Best article giving clear dos and donts definitions.
[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/experts-laws-on-online-1502245.html[/url]
Safe hunting all.
Harry
[quote=harryhobbiest; 1522929]best article giving clear dos and donts definitions.
[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/experts-laws-on-online-1502245.html[/url]
safe hunting all.
harry[/quote]the media and public officials want to promote the idea that the average provider is an ****d ukrainian farm girl who has been kidnapped and brought to the us against her will. we all know the truth: there is absolutely *no* evidence of trafficking or **** participation on the local hobby scene as it exists on this forum. i have been a hobbyist in ohio since the early 1990s, and i have *never* seen evidence of either.
this means that le is basically using public tax dollars to prosecute adults for engaging in consensual activity. the only difference between what takes place here and what takes place on a mainstream dating site is the exchange of money.
at some point the general public will realize what a waste of taxpayer resources this all is. then le will focus on actual crime, instead of serving as the front line of the nanny state.
i think that there is a difference between the higher end of the market and the sws, or the really cheap ladies on bp. so
perhaps i did over-generalize. i am confident, though, that among the providers *i* have seen, there haven't been anyone who is coerced or ****. for example, i used to see tai alot, previously of discreet desires. she has a college degree and is in her mid-20s. that is the typical profile of the providers i have seen over the years.
as for the sws, that entire scene is just nasty. and yes i would acknowledge that there might be some unfortunate situations there.
[quote=randyman1501; 1523381]i would never say never, because that's not entirely true. there is at least one provider who operates at largely utr at this point, but not always, who was tricked out by her mom when she was 16 or 17. mom and daughter are still together now and do two-girl shows together. mom, according to some reports, actually stuck the needle in her daughter's arm to get her hooked and eventually sent her out of the house and told her not to come back until she'd made some money. i don't know for a fact that last part, but i do know the other parts. i don't like to be one to judge, but if there is a hell, that mom will someday spend eternity there getting roasted on a pitchfork rotisserie.
now, you are right about the ridiculous way the "hobby" is portrayed in the media. the vast, vast majority of women involved here are not east european and asian girls trapped into some kind of slavery. but i would tell you it may be a different picture in some cities, especially new york. and there are cases, isolated though they may be, in this city.
slavery can also be a tricky subject. there are some providers in this town who are so badly addicted to heroin or their other drug of choice that it's no different than any other form of physical coercion. there have been drug dealers who essentially operated cat houses so the women could make the money to buy their drugs. i'm not sure where to draw the line sometimes.[/quote]
[quote=todd cincy; 1523646]i think that there is a difference between the higher end of the market and the sws, or the really cheap ladies on bp. so
perhaps i did over-generalize. i am confident, though, that among the providers *i* have seen, there haven't been anyone who is coerced or ****. for example, i used to see tai alot, previously of discreet desires. she has a college degree and is in her mid-20s. that is the typical profile of the providers i have seen over the years.
as for the sws, that entire scene is just nasty. and yes i would acknowledge that there might be some unfortunate situations there.[/quote]i don't think there has actually been an interview done with the escort side of the hobby since cheezwhiz out in vegas did one back in 2005/2006.
it makes it hard for a reporter to write a story about how every lady in the hobby is a victim when you have those that have left successful careers to try something new and then never gone back.
To attempt to synthesize the viewpoints of Warlock, Randyman, and myself:
The hobby is a very diverse world, but the media depicts only a few remote corners of it (mostly street prostitution and foreign-run brothels). This gives the public a skewed perception about what is really going on.
I have no doubt that there are providers in Ohio who make more money than many of their clients. Many of these same ladies have at least some college education, and are as savvy and autonomous as any entrepreneur. To depict them as the victims of drugs or human trafficking would be ridiculous.
We have all hired escorts who would obviously rather not be serving our needs, who have turned to the hobby as a sort of economic last resort. However, this is not the same as being physically coerced by a third party, as the media often represents. (*Every* field contains people who don't like their jobs, who would rather not be there.)
Admittedly, I probably don't see the really hard-luck cases, since I have always patronized the higher-end ladies as a rule, and I avoid the SW scene entirely.
[QUOTE=WarlockKy; 1523964]I don't think there has actually been an interview done with the escort side of the hobby since CheezWhiz out in Vegas did one back in 2005/2006.
It makes it hard for a reporter to write a story about how every lady in the hobby is a victim when you have those that have left successful careers to try something new and then never gone back.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.npr.org/2012/08/22/159754000/in-california-an-effort-to-fight-human-trafficking[/url]
Nky2000, Randyman, WhyBuytheCow:
I suppose I would still have to argue that most of the examples cited below are not comparable to our experiences on the board. WBTC is talking about truck stop providers in the (70s? 80s?). As to Nky's example, I can't speak to everything that goes on in California. It is a big state with a lot of crime of various sorts.
Let's consider the ladies on the board. Clearly they are all over 18. (Most are at least 25.) I have dealt with Dawn, Nina, Dixie, and Silk, to name a few. I am certain from my interactions with them that there is no brutal pimp controlling their actions and taking their money. So my encounters with them are, in fact, transactions between two consenting adults.
It will *always* be possible to find an extreme example from the media, big cities, foreign countries, etc. But as far as what goes on *here* on the local USAG board, I am confident that these ladies are both over the age of 18 and free to make their own choices.
[QUOTE=Nky2000;1525638][url]http://www.npr.org/2012/08/22/159754000/in-california-an-effort-to-fight-human-trafficking[/url][/QUOTE][url]http://www.eros-ohio.com/files/289709.htm[/url]
It could happen anywhere. I agree that most are local and independent. However, when it gets too hot in LA they put them on the road.
thanks, sinful dreams, for posting this.
this is the trend in countries like sweden, where enforcement efforts now focus on customers rather than providers.
the whole premise here, as we discussed several threads ago, is human trafficking. this is what is used to justify the arrests of adults engaging in consensual sex.
as a group, we seem to agree that while trafficking can and does occur, the actual situation is much exaggerated by the media and others with an anti-prostitution agenda.
my idea (for some enterprising individual) is to create a local service that verifies "over 18 / human trafficking free" escorts.
here are the rough details:
- a website where providers register. the site would verify that each woman who registers is over 18 and "human trafficking free."
- the site could also provide light screening of the men. however, the main purpose of this verification site would be to *eliminate* the **** / human trafficking card.
- the site could earn money by charging men a monthly membership, similar to a dating site.
any thoughts? any takers? i could definitely see one of the more enterprising local providers setting up a business like this. we could then, as a community, vouch for the fact that we are consenting adults, acting without third party coercion.
this would take away the political incentive for harassing and arresting us.
[quote=sinful dreams; 1526014]this might have been the one that was just brought up this week about the 8 arrested. at any rate, looks like they are going after the "johns" instead of the escorts. be careful.
[url]http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/cops-focusing-more-on-johns-in-prostitution-busts/nrgxg/[/url][/quote]
[QUOTE=Jay Malibu; 1525949][url]http://www.eros-ohio.com/files/289709.htm[/url]
It could happen anywhere. I agree that most are local and independent. However, when it gets too hot in LA they put them on the road.[/QUOTE]I know it is the law and has to be dealt with. But it is sickening to me the lack of freedom we have in this issue. 2 consenting adults are not permitted if money exchanged. I got into this because it was cheaper and easier than picking up or having affairs with girls at work. I know it is what can be sold to a jury to convict but if one sees those verified on here how does that work? (Barring a sting with one of these girls). They don't catch you in the act and even if they did and there was no money with your fingerprints just raising attention to you will get you in deep with any s. O. You may have and probably a game changer. But conviction? How do they know you are not just getting a massage? I don't know the law as to what a jury will convict on. It seems there is a higher risk to the girls for first time visits. If they can convict using the language "known prostitute" just for being in the wrong place we are screwed (no pun intended). This really ticks me off. It is none of their business as long as I am not a nuisance. What if I just paid rent for them and got favors? I know I am preaching to the choir and probably ought to be in rants.
[quote=johngalt10;1526362]i know it is the law and has to be dealt with. but it is sickening to me the lack of freedom we have in this issue. 2 consenting adults are not permitted if money exchanged. i got into this because it was cheaper and easier than picking up or having affairs with girls at work. i know it is what can be sold to a jury to convict but if one sees those verified on here how does that work? (barring a sting with one of these girls). they don't catch you in the act and even if they did and there was no money with your fingerprints just raising attention to you will get you in deep with any s. o. you may have and probably a game changer. but conviction? how do they know you are not just getting a massage? i don't know the law as to what a jury will convict on. it seems there is a higher risk to the girls for first time visits. if they can convict using the language "known prostitute" just for being in the wrong place we are screwed (no pun intended). this really ticks me off. it is none of their business as long as i am not a nuisance. what if i just paid rent for them and got favors? i know i am preaching to the choir and probably ought to be in rants.[/quote]johngalt: your points are all valid, and i have aired these same sentiments myself, both here and on other boards.
the problem is that virtually *no one* from our side of the fence is actively involved in the political process that could ultimately change the laws. the anti-prostitution forces, meanwhile, regularly write guest columns on cnn. com, appear on talk shows, and bend the ears of politicians. they have framed the issue as "all hobbyists are evil abusers, and all providers are **** slave girls." when was the last time you saw either a provider or a hobbyist countering these points in the public square? it is not that the public is rejecting our arguments. rather, the public is *not even aware* of our arguments.
after the eliot spitzer scandal broke a few years ago, some positive examples of the hobby did appear in the media. for example, brooke taylor of the bunny ranch was interviewed on one of the major networks, and she talked about the money she was making, the freedom, etc. but that was way back in 2008. the public has a short memory; and in the intervening years, the anti-prostitution lobby has intensified its campaign to portray us all as human traffickers. the average joe or jane citizen, who has no first-hand experience of our world, sees only one side of the debate. they draw their conclusions accordingly.
the gay lobby provides a good case study of how a politically dedicated group *can* change the laws. in the 1950s, gays used to focus on "keeping a low profile" and avoiding the police. then in the late 1960s and 70s, they began to agitate for their rights. now the president of the united states publicly defends their right to marry; and demeaning homosexuals is considered to be a hate crime. things were very, very different in 1969, before gays became politically active.
more hobbyists and providers need to engage the legal / political process. up until now, our "people" have been primarily focused on hiding from the law. more of us need to focus on changing it.
i know we don't talk politics here much but take a long look at the libertarian party and what they stand for and you decide what political party stands for individual freedom.
i don't agree with them completely but i do on this matter. read there platform http://www.lp.org/platform
[quote=todd cincy; 1526448]johngalt: your points are all valid, and i have aired these same sentiments myself, both here and on other boards.
the problem is that virtually *no one* from our side of the fence is actively involved in the political process that could ultimately change the laws. the anti-prostitution forces, meanwhile, regularly write guest columns on cnn. com, appear on talk shows, and bend the ears of politicians. they have framed the issue as "all hobbyists are evil abusers, and all providers are **** slave girls." when was the last time you saw either a provider or a hobbyist countering these points in the public square? it is not that the public is rejecting our arguments. rather, the public is *not even aware* of our arguments.
after the eliot spitzer scandal broke a few years ago, some positive examples of the hobby did appear in the media. for example, brooke taylor of the bunny ranch was interviewed on one of the major networks, and she talked about the money she was making, the freedom, etc. but that was way back in 2008. the public has a short memory; and in the intervening years, the anti-prostitution lobby has intensified its campaign to portray us all as human traffickers. the average joe or jane citizen, who has no first-hand experience of our world, sees only one side of the debate. they draw their conclusions accordingly.
the gay lobby provides a good case study of how a politically dedicated group *can* change the laws. in the 1950s, gays used to focus on "keeping a low profile" and avoiding the police. then in the late 1960s and 70s, they began to agitate for their rights. now the president of the united states publicly defends their right to marry; and demeaning homosexuals is considered to be a hate crime. things were very, very different in 1969, before gays became politically active.
more hobbyists and providers need to engage the legal / political process. up until now, our "people" have been primarily focused on hiding from the law. more of us need to focus on changing it.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Upullandpay; 1526976]I know we don't talk politics here much but take a long look at the Libertarian Party and what they stand for and you decide what political party stands for individual freedom.
I don't agree with them completely but I do on this matter. Read there platform [url]http://www.lp.org/platform[/url][/QUOTE]They are the closest in views on this and other stuff. Look how long it took Ohio to get gambling in. (And CC for that matter). It was opposed forever. I know legalizing is not possible. Unofficial toleration, maybe but a long shot. Skirting politics here but they are fiscally conservative, small gov't, states rights (basically a Constitutional champion) , and most of all IMHO, freedom as in leave me the fuck alone.
[QUOTE=Sinful Dreams; 1526014]This might have been the one that was just brought up this week about the 8 arrested. At any rate, looks like they are going after the "johns" instead of the escorts. Be Careful.
[url]http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/cops-focusing-more-on-johns-in-prostitution-busts/nRGxG/[/url][/QUOTE]This part really troubled me. "and 'Dear John' letters, sent to homes of residents whose vehicles are seen frequently traveling high-prostitution areas."
Seriously! Since when is driving in ANY area a crime, or something that warrants this type of intrusion? You would think that some group like the ACLU would be all over this.
-BigBird69
[QUOTE=BigBird69; 1527078]This part really troubled me."and 'Dear John' letters, sent to homes of residents whose vehicles are seen frequently traveling high-prostitution areas."
Seriously! Since when is driving in ANY area a crime, or something that warrants this type of intrusion? You would think that some group like the ACLU would be all over this.
-BigBird69[/QUOTE]" Experts say the fight against prostitution is important because it often includes individuals who are involved in other crimes. As part of that fight, they are turning more attention to the demand."
WTF? What other crimes? A girl earning a living. Tax evasion is the only crime and that's the law's fault. Runs internet ad and provides a service which supports herself and her family. Or maybe even college-educated but job scarcity and low pay move her to be an enterprising entrepreneur, perhaps making a better living by far.
Then along come the morality police. They remind me of the Taliban in this regard.
atRandyman: "The problem is that no one in their right mind would actually volunteer to be the face of "the hobby""
There are few voices out there, like Tracy Quan (Google her to learn more) and a handful of other escorts-turned-writers / bloggers. There are also a few activist groups like Coyote, but most of them are active on the West Coast. I have *never* heard of a "john" publicly defending the hobby, or the right to hobby.
As someone else said, unofficial toleration is probably the best hope for the immediate future. Also, your chances of having an LE encounter rise dramatically if you a.) use SWs or be.) reply to random ads on BP (which are risky even without LE issues, because of so many rip-offs.) If you stick with vetted ladies who have a sustained and verified online presence, then the hobby is still reasonably safe.
Still, there is a part of me that bristles at the fact that in 2012, there are actually laws that penalize the private sexual behavior of consenting adults.
[url]http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120902/NEWS/309020061/Death-boy-3-investigated-Deerfield-Twp-?odyssey=mod[/url]|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s.
Got a bad feeling this involves a provider. (one of the the TV news stations mentioned "one of several male friends")
[QUOTE=Doingitmyway; 1535688][url]http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120902/NEWS/309020061/Death-boy-3-investigated-Deerfield-Twp-?odyssey=mod[/url]
|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s.
Got a bad feeling this involves a provider. (one of the the TV news stations mentioned "one of several male friends") [/QUOTE]So girls with multiple male friends are providers? Seriously?
[QUOTE=CooperCincy;1535872]So girls with multiple male friends are providers? Seriously?[/QUOTE]That would be my guess, if they LIVE in a hotel.
[QUOTE=Todd Cincy; 1528997]atRandyman: "The problem is that no one in their right mind would actually volunteer to be the face of "the hobby""
There are few voices out there, like Tracy Quan (Google her to learn more) and a handful of other escorts-turned-writers / bloggers. There are also a few activist groups like Coyote, but most of them are active on the West Coast. I have *never* heard of a "john" publicly defending the hobby, or the right to hobby.
As someone else said, unofficial toleration is probably the best hope for the immediate future. Also, your chances of having an LE encounter rise dramatically if you a.) use SWs or be.) reply to random ads on BP (which are risky even without LE issues, because of so many rip-offs.) If you stick with vetted ladies who have a sustained and verified online presence, then the hobby is still reasonably safe.
Still, there is a part of me that bristles at the fact that in 2012, there are actually laws that penalize the private sexual behavior of consenting adults.[/QUOTE]Tell him you want 300 / hr he will stand up and run away. JK.
But I know a guy for real named. Dave in Phoenix.
He is very out spoken about the hobby his website is [url]http://www.sexwork.com[/url] I think.
He has been leading the way for the right to hobby since I got into this business when I had all me hair and it wasn't grey. LOL
Bust in the land of Goshen.
[url]http://www.fox19.com/story/19542659/goeshen-pd-bust-prostitution-ring-fay-gardens-mobile-home-park[/url]
[QUOTE=BigBird69; 1527078]This part really troubled me."and 'Dear John' letters, sent to homes of residents whose vehicles are seen frequently traveling high-prostitution areas."
Seriously! Since when is driving in ANY area a crime, or something that warrants this type of intrusion? You would think that some group like the ACLU would be all over this.
-BigBird69[/QUOTE]Seems like just getting your own room at a hotel and having out all is the safest way to proceed.