No one saw this one? This is big news! What do you guys think?
[URL]http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/01/prostitution-decriminalization-debated-i[/URL]
No one saw this one? This is big news! What do you guys think?
[URL]http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/01/prostitution-decriminalization-debated-i[/URL]
[URL]http://www.nh1.com/news/state-rep-from-manchester-proposes-bill-to-decriminalize-prostitution-in-nh/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Deb4512;2783528]No one saw this one? This is big news! What do you guys think?
[URL]http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/01/prostitution-decriminalization-debated-i[/URL][/QUOTE]It's good that it's being proposed by the female reps. Who knows, maybe Live Free or Die state will actually end up living by its motto. Maybe we'll see the reason why they actually deserve to have the first primary.
Check the list of organizations that recommend decriminalization. "Global Alliance Against Trafficking in Women" instantly jumped at me. Do you think they know better then our (often false) Women rights zealots-feminazis?
You always bring good, strong reasoning to the board. Do you think it will go through? I mean in the near future? Will it be like pot decriminalization in Washington State and Colorado? It's interesting that the group you referred to is it's main purpose is to fight human trafficking! Many of the trafficking organizations have no clue what the difference is between consensual and coerced. Good news if this goes through and hits states like a domino effect, no one will be concerned with being arrested and if an escort is a rob, violent or tries to blackmail you you can contact the police. If an escort is a victim of crime the same goes for her. Good for the guys, prices will probably drop for escort services, because there will be more saturation of supply over demand. There will be more escorts to choose from. Women will enter escorting more freely knowing they won't be arrested. I don't know if the services will improve though. I know I will be traveling to NH more often!
I'm surprised that nothing was posted in NH about this. Maybe the guys are jaded and skeptical? I'm always hopeful. Anytime I think if any form of consensual sex between adults being illegal seems ludicrous to me. Isn't there supposed to be a separation of church and state in government?
I'm working with another escort Gabrielle who's in her 30's. We just came back from NY, not too far north of NYC near the CT border. Every time I'm anywhere, especially in a hotel I'm nervous about noisy housekeeping and front desk staff. The hotel we used was a really beautiful resort hotel with two swimming pools, a jacuzzi, golf course, two restaurants, room service, a gym with classes and equipment. Negatives, which is why we won't be going back there, ants in the bathrooms and my friends cell service didn't work in her room, so it was a hassle for scheduling. Thankfully mine worked. I was nervous working with someone new, because I've had so many bad escort experiences off of backpage like you all seem to have. It's been a month, but I think I've hit gold with her! I will keep you all updated on that.
[QUOTE=Deb4512;2784158]You always bring good, strong reasoning to the board. Do you think it will go through? I mean in the near future? Will it be like pot decriminalization in Washington State and Colorado? It's interesting that the group you referred to is it's main purpose is to fight human trafficking! Many of the trafficking organizations have no clue what the difference is between consensual and coerced. Good news if this goes through and hits states like a domino effect, no one will be concerned with being arrested and if an escort is a rob, violent or tries to blackmail you you can contact the police. If an escort is a victim of crime the same goes for her. Good for the guys, prices will probably drop for escort services, because there will be more saturation of supply over demand. There will be more escorts to choose from. Women will enter escorting more freely knowing they won't be arrested. I don't know if the services will improve though. I know I will be traveling to NH more often!
I'm surprised that nothing was posted in NH about this. Maybe the guys are jaded and skeptical? I'm always hopeful. Anytime I think if any form of consensual sex between adults being illegal seems ludicrous to me. Isn't there supposed to be a separation of church and state in government?
I'm working with another escort Gabrielle who's in her 30's. We just came back from NY, not too far north of NYC near the CT border. Every time I'm anywhere, especially in a hotel I'm nervous about noisy housekeeping and front desk staff. The hotel we used was a really beautiful resort hotel with two swimming pools, a jacuzzi, golf course, two restaurants, room service, a gym with classes and equipment. Negatives, which is why we won't be going back there, ants in the bathrooms and my friends cell service didn't work in her room, so it was a hassle for scheduling. Thankfully mine worked. I was nervous working with someone new, because I've had so many bad escort experiences off of backpage like you all seem to have. It's been a month, but I think I've hit gold with her! I will keep you all updated on that.[/QUOTE]1. Why don't you yourself post it on NH board.
2. Keep dreaming on this going through. Children of the 60s and the 70s have grown up, that's why pot is being decriminalized. They don't have as strong feelings about the prostitution as they do about the weed.
3. In Costa Rica or Brazil or I suspect anywhere else in Latin America, if, God forbid, a call girl calls the police on you, chances are the police would automatically take her side over yours. The advise is to quickly pay everybody as much as they're asking no matter how outrageous it may seem at the time and do everything possible to avoid to be taken to the police station. Because if they do take you to the police station and "the matter of principal" and "the national pride" enters into the picture together with significantly widened circle of the desiring recipients of your "foreign aid", you'd end up paying so much more compared to what you would've paid initially, in addition to enjoying involuntary rent-free local hospitality while legal issues are sorting themselves out, that you'd curse yourself continuously on why haven't you paid what they were asking initially right there and then.
I know of a case in Costa Rica when two mongers disagreed with a tica on the expected compensation. The tica called the cops and the mongers allowed themselves to be taken to the station. They hired a local attorney (despite of me telling someone closely involved in the case for them not to do that!), ended up spending over 6 months in local jail while "legal proceedings" were taking place. The legal proceedings involved judges changing (or retiring?), prosecutors vacationing, and (dear God!) motions filed. When I heard about the later I just threw my hands up in dismay.
[URL]https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/02/05/northeastern-professor-arrested-prostitution-sting/cZVjsBHdiRNeXL3GYhyZsJ/story.html[/URL]
I always wonder what the ads look like and what the interactions are. Discussing anything 'important' is a big no-no and has never happened to me. I always wonder if just showing up for a regular BP ad is enough to charge?
There has to be someone on the board who has first-hand experience of one of these. I'm sure it's a little embarrassing to talk about, but it could really help a lot of people. If you're an existing member and you don't want to admit that you screwed up once, just create a new username and unburden yourself. Confession is good for the soul, especially here where it's totally anonymous.
[QUOTE=DaveSheehan;2787106][URL]https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/02/05/northeastern-professor-arrested-prostitution-sting/cZVjsBHdiRNeXL3GYhyZsJ/story.html[/URL]
I always wonder what the ads look like and what the interactions are. Discussing anything 'important' is a big no-no and has never happened to me. I always wonder if just showing up for a regular BP ad is enough to charge?[/QUOTE]
The problem is that it doesn't matter. You might have called the number in the ad and never mentioned sex, fees or any of the stuff that makes a case winnable for LE. Just being at the address, with money in hand and a phone number matching the calls and or texts is enough to get you arrested and arraigned.
You can win the trial but you can't get back the lost reputation of having your name in the newspaper. This is the single biggest weapon the LE have and it is something they count on. News papers are looking to sell copy and salacious sexual content sells. Cops and reporters are a match made in hell.
[QUOTE=NoRush;2788451]There has to be someone on the board who has first-hand experience of one of these. I'm sure it's a little embarrassing to talk about, but it could really help a lot of people. If you're an existing member and you don't want to admit that you screwed up once, just create a new username and unburden yourself. Confession is good for the soul, especially here where it's totally anonymous.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SpeedingTicke;2788466]The problem is that it doesn't matter. You might have called the number in the ad and never mentioned sex, fees or any of the stuff that makes a case winnable for LE. Just being at the address, with money in hand and a phone number matching the calls and or texts is enough to get you arrested and arraigned.
You can win the trial but you can't get back the lost reputation of having your name in the newspaper. This is the single biggest weapon the LE have and it is something they count on. News papers are looking to sell copy and salacious sexual content sells. Cops and reporters are a match made in hell.[/QUOTE]I think the wild card in all of this is that cops lie. They know why you are there and to make their case more winnable will lie about what you say.
[QUOTE=Katokay;2788663]I think the wild card in all of this is that cops lie. They know why you are there and to make their case more winnable will lie about what you say.[/QUOTE]Ok, you get pulled over the cops are going to arrive 3 to 5 at a time and one will play good cop. He wants to listen and convince you to confess.
If it was a street walker she has a record for something and they have probable cause. If you are alone they count on you being stupid.
If you made a date online and never discussed a donation or act guess what else is in store for you? Bad cop maintains you said something about email. Good cop reminds you they can get your email footprints and find evidence about one time when you asked a question from any person online and gain credibility about this fishy encounter you got yourself into.
Monger phone. Rotate phone and number. No references. Do not take chances.
Too many safe choices.
[QUOTE=Katokay;2788663]I think the wild card in all of this is that cops lie. They know why you are there and to make their case more winnable will lie about what you say.[/QUOTE]The cops. Lie. They would never do such a thing. SMH.
It doesn't matter much what you say or don't say, if you show up to a sting you're not walking away without your name and possibly your face in the paper / news.
You might walk away from the case but it's too late at that point, you've been caught with your hand in the cookie jar.
Do your research and be overly cautious, there's more than enough info on here to help with that.
[QUOTE=Dgnrt;2789041]The cops. Lie. They would never do such a thing. SMH.
It doesn't matter much what you say or don't say, if you show up to a sting you're not walking away without your name and possibly your face in the paper / news.
You might walk away from the case but it's too late at that point, you've been caught with your hand in the cookie jar.
Do your research and be overly cautious, there's more than enough info on here to help with that.[/QUOTE]I think it matters what you say if caught in a sting. My father's advice and he was a cop many many years ago was simple. Say nothing but your name and address. If the cops ask you why you will not talk or answer the questions just say "I might say something stupid ". And if you talk.
You will say something stupid. IMHO the risk is not worth visiting a provider on CL or BP or on the street. I am not preaching to anyone or trying to bust anyone's balls here. The risk / reward ratio just sucks in my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to have fun at a strip club or massage spa.
However. I love massages and for over ten tears got non sexual massages for about $50. I never tipped except for the holidays. I would have.
The women visit my home, give her the $50 first and lie down covered on my own massage table. She never brought any linins or table just oil and a good attitude and left after the 50 minute massage was done. This was a regular event on Wednesday after work for many years. I usually fell asleep at the end of the massage. It was good.
Have fun.
[QUOTE=BikeZappa;2790348]I think it matters what you say if caught in a sting. My father's advice and he was a cop many many years ago was simple. Say nothing but your name and address. If the cops ask you why you will not talk or answer the questions just say "I might say something stupid ". And if you talk.
You will say something stupid. IMHO the risk is not worth visiting a provider on CL or BP or on the street. I am not preaching to anyone or trying to bust anyone's balls here. The risk / reward ratio just sucks in my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to have fun at a strip club or massage spa.
However. I love massages and for over ten tears got non sexual massages for about $50. I never tipped except for the holidays. I would have.
The women visit my home, give her the $50 first and lie down covered on my own massage table. She never brought any linins or table just oil and a good attitude and left after the 50 minute massage was done. This was a regular event on Wednesday after work for many years. I usually fell asleep at the end of the massage. It was good.
Have fun.[/QUOTE]If you show up to a sting you're pretty much *ed regardless of what you do or don't say. I agree with keeping your mouth shut when it comes to the cops ALWAYS.
-Stay safe.
[QUOTE=Dgnrt;2790371]If you show up to a sting you're pretty much *ed regardless of what you do or don't say. I agree with keeping your mouth shut when it comes to the cops ALWAYS.
-Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Yes talking always makes your situation worse and limits your options later.
Stay safe, mongers have to always be aware of surroundings and watchful / eavesdropping hotel personnel. (In another thread a couple days ago, someone mentioned a hotel clerk being in the hallway overhearing a conversation that occurred inside a hotel room). This hotel mentioned might be a candidate for a do not visit, or visit with extreme caution, list.
Below is an excerpt, a little bit redacted, from yesterday's local Tewks rag, no link, 'cause I'm not sure the board rules allow it due to details of person's name being mentioned:
"On Friday, Feb. 19 Tewksbury Police arrested (name), 38, of (neighboring city) for human trafficking, deriving support from prostitution and sexual conduct for a fee. The arrest followed a call police received from an alert employee at the Extended Stay America Hotel located on Andover Street, who stated he was concerned about two young females (over 18) who appeared to be under the direction of (him). (Local LEO) responded and began an investigation. It was determined (he) recruited the females and drove them to Tewksbury from Providence RI. (He) rented a hotel room in order for the females to conduct sexual acts for a fee and to provide him with a percentage of the money. (He) was placed in custody at the Extended Stay. ".
I am aware of a friend who had to run and hide around the property of, I believe, an Extended Stay on second ave in watch city, to dodge LEO who were looking for him as they had been called by that hotel's staff. As the saying goes, even though the target of the above news story is a pimp not a monger, mongers need to keep their spidey senses at highest sensitivity levels at all times, for a lot of reasons.
[QUOTE=Fuhgetaboudit;2809442]Stay safe, mongers have to always be aware of surroundings and watchful / eavesdropping hotel personnel. (In another thread a couple days ago, someone mentioned a hotel clerk being in the hallway overhearing a conversation that occurred inside a hotel room). This hotel mentioned might be a candidate for a do not visit, or visit with extreme caution, list.
Below is an excerpt, a little bit redacted, from yesterday's local Tewks rag, no link, 'cause I'm not sure the board rules allow it due to details of person's name being mentioned:
"On Friday, Feb. 19 Tewksbury Police arrested (name), 38, of (neighboring city) for human trafficking, deriving support from prostitution and sexual conduct for a fee. The arrest followed a call police received from an alert employee at the Extended Stay America Hotel located on Andover Street, who stated he was concerned about two young females (over 18) who appeared to be under the direction of (him). (Local LEO) responded and began an investigation. It was determined (he) recruited the females and drove them to Tewksbury from Providence RI. (He) rented a hotel room in order for the females to conduct sexual acts for a fee and to provide him with a percentage of the money. (He) was placed in custody at the Extended Stay. ".
I am aware of a friend who had to run and hide around the property of, I believe, an Extended Stay on second ave in watch city, to dodge LEO who were looking for him as they had been called by that hotel's staff. As the saying goes, even though the target of the above news story is a pimp not a monger, mongers need to keep their spidey senses at highest sensitivity levels at all times, for a lot of reasons.[/QUOTE]Just one of the reasons incalls are high risk. Homeland Security has been asking hotel staff to watch for Prostitution, because apparently they don't have more important things to worry about.
[URL]http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/12/homeland-security-asking-hotel-staff-to[/URL]
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
[QUOTE=HoHunter328;2809769]Just one of the reasons incalls are high risk. Homeland Security has been asking hotel staff to watch for Prostitution, because apparently they don't have more important things to worry about.
[URL]http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/12/homeland-security-asking-hotel-staff-to[/URL]
Stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]It's fascinating how my new country reminds me of my old one lately. Everybody are being asked to be vigilant and encouraged to tell authorities on all kinds of suspicious behavior, some possibly more consequential then other. But the fact that the government is asking hotel employees to report all possible suspicious behavior (not only violent crime) as they say in the article "even if it turns out to be nothing" basically leveling the criteria between let's say, terrorists-related and prostitution is something so USSR, it's like can't get anymore USSR then that.
What they are actually doing is trying to get the hotel personal used to the idea that it should be ready to rat out anybody that breaths wrong, let alone walks funny. Are we really becoming a nation of snitches among other things? Just saying.
Be careful in the 'Tree:
[URL]http://www.patriotledger.com/article/20160212/NEWS/160217922/?Start=1[/URL]
[QUOTE=Nrlmus;2810335]It's fascinating how my new country reminds me of my old one lately. Everybody are being asked to be vigilant and encouraged to tell authorities on all kinds of suspicious behavior, some possibly more consequential then other. But the fact that the government is asking hotel employees to report all possible suspicious behavior (not only violent crime) as they say in the article "even if it turns out to be nothing" basically leveling the criteria between let's say, terrorists-related and prostitution is something so USSR, it's like can't get anymore USSR then that.
What they are actually doing is trying to get the hotel personal used to the idea that it should be ready to rat out anybody that breaths wrong, let alone walks funny. Are we really becoming a nation of snitches among other things? Just saying.[/QUOTE]Da tovarisch.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
I have ruled out hotels / motels a long time ago. I know it excludes quite a few opportunities, but. ?
And not wussy sports that they do now!
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/Lmaoviral/videos/235979116739449/[/URL]
Anyone up for Pelvic power lift?
[QUOTE=SsMonger;2810877]Be careful in the 'Tree:
[URL]http://www.patriotledger.com/article/20160212/NEWS/160217922/?Start=1[/URL][/QUOTE]Yep, someone's got a woody for the hobby in the 'tree for sure. They are saying they are going after traffickers in particular but I'm sure the broom will be broad when it comes to the hobby in general. Securing outside doors and hiring police details and nosy staff don't make for a happy hobbyist / escort.
[URL]http://braintree.wickedlocal.com/article/20160224/NEWS/160228229[/URL]
[QUOTE=Aluver;2811902]Yep, someone's got a woody for the hobby in the 'tree for sure. They are saying they are going after traffickers in particular but I'm sure the broom will be broad when it comes to the hobby in general. Securing outside doors and hiring police details and nosy staff don't make for a happy hobbyist / escort.
[URL]http://braintree.wickedlocal.com/article/20160224/NEWS/160228229[/URL][/QUOTE]Small hotels are being bought by people that only ran Kwik-E-Marts. The new owners are very nosy and work long hours meaning they know everybody who comes and goes.
Anybody have any tricks to stay under the radar while entering small hotels?
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Anybody have any tricks to stay under the radar while entering small hotels?[/QUOTE]Key is to look like you belong there and walk in confidently like you know where you are going even if you don't. Doesn't hurt to see if you can find the hotel's website and see if there are any pictures of the lobby etc so you have a general idea of where you might need to go to find the elevator / stairs. If I can I also like to just take the stairs to the 2nd floor to avoid standing around in the lobby waiting for the elevator.
Another trick I use is pretending to play on my phone like I'm texting and preoccupied so if I do go the wrong way at first I can look up and correct it like I just wasn't paying attention.
[QUOTE=Aluver;2812806]Key is to look like you belong there and walk in confidently like you know where you are going even if you don't. Doesn't hurt to see if you can find the hotel's website and see if there are any pictures of the lobby etc so you have a general idea of where you might need to go to find the elevator / stairs. If I can I also like to just take the stairs to the 2nd floor to avoid standing around in the lobby waiting for the elevator.
Another trick I use is pretending to play on my phone like I'm texting and preoccupied so if I do go the wrong way at first I can look up and correct it like I just wasn't paying attention.[/QUOTE]Well that all works well but if you really want to fly under the radar wait for someone or a small group of people to walk in and act like you are one of the group.
Ocassionaly I will laugh as I'm walking in as if someone just said something funny, and if you are really good you can time it just right to say something cleaver to the.
Person as your walking in, this way it looks like you know them and they know you. The trick is to not wait outside the door, wait in your car and watch for people getting out of their cars walking in.
[QUOTE=Aluver;2812806]Key is to look like you belong there and walk in confidently like you know where you are going even if you don't. Doesn't hurt to see if you can find the hotel's website and see if there are any pictures of the lobby etc so you have a general idea of where you might need to go to find the elevator / stairs. If I can I also like to just take the stairs to the 2nd floor to avoid standing around in the lobby waiting for the elevator.
Another trick I use is pretending to play on my phone like I'm texting and preoccupied so if I do go the wrong way at first I can look up and correct it like I just wasn't paying attention.[/QUOTE]Great advice, I always if I am visiting a provider call them and specifically ask exactly where the elevator is and when I walk in head straight to it with my phone as if I am speaking with some one.
Jack.
Went to see a provider today. Just as I turned left to go into the street that leads to the hotel / parking lot I see a car with blue mass plates. 2 guys sitting on the front. Hotel lobby had some traffic going on and saw someone with a crew cut and well built. Could have been LE and he was talking to staff members. After my session, I exit thru the rear door and went around to go to my car, saw 2 cars parked up front with another guy, same type build and another car next to him, fluorescent vest sitting on the passengers seat. Maybe they are working the hotels now hard this time of year. Stay off hotels exit 27 route ninety five.
[QUOTE=TheDuke;2813694]Went to see a provider today. Just as I turned left to go into the street that leads to the hotel / parking lot I see a car with blue mass plates. 2 guys sitting on the front. Hotel lobby had some traffic going on and saw someone with a crew cut and well built. Could have been LE and he was talking to staff members. After my session, I exit thru the rear door and went around to go to my car, saw 2 cars parked up front with another guy, same type build and another car next to him, fluorescent vest sitting on the passengers seat. Maybe they are working the hotels now hard this time of year. Stay off hotels exit 27 route ninety five.[/QUOTE]In case you haven't read past LEO reports or sting information you will find that LEO works certain areas and has management on their team to watch for certain activities. While the vast amount of energy would be directed at illegal drug activity the grabbing of working girls or providers is just icing on their cake.
The stings are usually focused around drugs not just sex for money.
When visiting a hotel or motel always be aware of your surroundings. Act casual when you enter and head to the room. Some carry a newspaper or perhaps a coffee is being brought to your favorite provider. Don't look like "Hey I'm here for sex with someone".
You never know what you might walk into. So always be on guard.
Yes, I have read all this before. In case you missed the point, I was just reporting what I happened to run into.
[QUOTE=ShortStroke;2815244]In case you haven't read past LEO reports or sting information you will find that LEO works certain areas and has management on their team to watch for certain activities. While the vast amount of energy would be directed at illegal drug activity the grabbing of working girls or providers is just icing on their cake.
The stings are usually focused around drugs not just sex for money.
When visiting a hotel or motel always be aware of your surroundings. Act casual when you enter and head to the room. Some carry a newspaper or perhaps a coffee is being brought to your favorite provider. Don't look like "Hey I'm here for sex with someone".
You never know what you might walk into. So always be on guard.[/QUOTE]
Some great tips posted. Not sure if this was mentioned but I never leave thru the Lobby. When I arrive I park near an exterior entry / exit door usually rear if available. While I do not know exactly where the provider is I keep in tune with my spot location as I enter the lobby. After appointment I get my bearings and find the stairwell that serves my exit door. Down the stairs, out the door and away I go.
The reality of all this is that there are cameras everywhere. Your visit is a matter of permanent record. Your DNA via pubes and semen are left in the room, as are your fingerprints. If that hotel room becomes the scene of a violent crime at some point after you leave, and even though you may be innocent of said violent crime, you will be a person of interest and your reputation, family life, career prospects, etc. Are destroyed beyond repair. Or perhaps you even become a defendant in a criminal proceeding that could put you away for years. Does it happen? You bet your ass it happens.
[QUOTE=Jeishein14;2815732]The reality of all this is that there are cameras everywhere. [/QUOTE]Yup, and I'd bet every doorway to every room has a camera on it. I got a room at a hotel and had a stripper meet me there. When we were done I gave her the money in an envelope. I thought she'd count it right there but she didn't. As she left and I shut the door behind her I looked through the peephole and she was standing right outside my door in the hallway counting the money. What a bonehead. All on camera too I'm sure.
Now granted, they have no proof. I could have been getting tango lessons. Still, it would be a hassle. Remember guys, you can take the 5th and not talk to the police and take the 4th and not have them search you.
[QUOTE=LatinHunt;2815890]Remember guys, you can take the 5th and not talk to the police and take the 4th and not have them search you.[/QUOTE]You can remain silent. You can beat the case. HOWEVER, your name, address and mugshot, along with the charges, will still be published for perpetuity on the internet. Kiss family, career, friends goodbye. Simply staying home seems the more sensible option.
[QUOTE=Jeishein14;2815732]The reality of all this is that there are cameras everywhere. Your visit is a matter of permanent record. Your DNA via pubes and semen are left in the room, as are your fingerprints. If that hotel room becomes the scene of a violent crime at some point after you leave, and even though you may be innocent of said violent crime, you will be a person of interest and your reputation, family life, career prospects, etc. Are destroyed beyond repair. Or perhaps you even become a defendant in a criminal proceeding that could put you away for years. Does it happen? You bet your ass it happens.[/QUOTE]Dude, you really don't belong in this hobby. Yes there are cameras everywhere but if you think the local Marriott has a crack security staff of 50 watching every fucking door at all times then it is evident that you watch way too much TV. Can something bad happen? Yes. Odds of it happening? Slim. Now go to the post office tomorrow and get a stamp collecting kit. You're welcome.
BTG.
What about all the mugshots that are published on the Internet? Should those dudes be collecting stamps too?
[QUOTE=Jeishein14;2815732]The reality of all this is that there are cameras everywhere. Your visit is a matter of permanent record. Your DNA via pubes and semen are left in the room, as are your fingerprints. If that hotel room becomes the scene of a violent crime at some point after you leave, and even though you may be innocent of said violent crime, you will be a person of interest and your reputation, family life, career prospects, etc. Are destroyed beyond repair. Or perhaps you even become a defendant in a criminal proceeding that could put you away for years. Does it happen? You bet your ass it happens.[/QUOTE]Your argument for DNA evidence is completely backwards. Simply put, DNA can be used to (arguably) tie existing suspects to a scene, but it isn't used to find new suspects. Just not even remotely practical at this time, especially in a hotel room.
[QUOTE=HowardSprague;2817051]You're adding facts to your factpattern. You never mentioned either party being a convicted felon. Barring a felony conviction since the DNA sampling legislation went into effect, there would be almost no way to identify the person from DNA alone. There is no comprehensive database of the population. There's also the volume of different DNA in a hotel room and the likely contamination of any sample by the DNA of possibly hundreds of other people. Hotels don't wash bedding as often as you'd like to think.
You're not getting arrested by merely showing up at a sting. Unless and until there is an agreement (and what constitutes an agreement can be very loosely defined) for sexual activity in exchange for a fee there is no crime. It's not an inchoate crime.
I think BillyBaloney called this one.[/QUOTE]If you are suggesting that you can't or won't get arrested for walking into a sting operation, you are doing the men on this forum a serious injustice. Do your homework.
[QUOTE=HowardSprague;2817051]You're adding facts to your factpattern. You never mentioned either party being a convicted felon. Barring a felony conviction since the DNA sampling legislation went into effect, there would be almost no way to identify the person from DNA alone. There is no comprehensive database of the population. There's also the volume of different DNA in a hotel room and the likely contamination of any sample by the DNA of possibly hundreds of other people. Hotels don't wash bedding as often as you'd like to think.
You're not getting arrested by merely showing up at a sting. Unless and until there is an agreement (and what constitutes an agreement can be very loosely defined) for sexual activity in exchange for a fee there is no crime. It's not an inchoate crime.
I think BillyBaloney called this one.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jeishein14;2817431]If you are suggesting that you can't or won't get arrested for walking into a sting operation, you are doing the men on this forum a serious injustice. Do your homework.[/QUOTE]I recall Howard once mentioning that he is an attorney so I believe he has done his homework.
[QUOTE=JackADogov;2817987]I recall Howard once mentioning that he is an attorney so I believe he has done his homework.[/QUOTE]Yup. (insert smiley face emoticon).
I will offer one caveat. Cops can arrest you for anything. They'll often rely on "disorderly conduct. " That's why I advise ALWAYS being polite when dealing with them. A little common courtesy goes a long way. Don't be an ass and you'll probably be fine. Don't agree to sexual conduct in exchange for a fee. If a provider starts mentioning prices for acts, or even hinting. Decline. State there must be some misunderstanding. State you're not interested in breaking any laws. Exit. You've got more plausible deniability if the ad talks about massage.