[QUOTE=Bjee89;2731802]I'm down here in the Joliet area and started getting proposed on Wechat when the Asian ads on backpage ramped up. Here are the pics they show as the talent.[/QUOTE]The pics are pretty good. Now real or not, another story.
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[QUOTE=Bjee89;2731802]I'm down here in the Joliet area and started getting proposed on Wechat when the Asian ads on backpage ramped up. Here are the pics they show as the talent.[/QUOTE]The pics are pretty good. Now real or not, another story.
Those pics are stock photos of some Japanese chick, and her pics show up in about 75 percent of massage parlor ads. They aren't any indication of anybody's talent pool. Nothing but a marketing tool.
[QUOTE=Bjee89;2731802]I'm down here in the Joliet area and started getting proposed on Wechat when the Asian ads on backpage ramped up. Here are the pics they show as the talent.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bjee89;2731802]I'm down here in the Joliet area and started getting proposed on Wechat when the Asian ads on backpage ramped up. Here are the pics they show as the talent.[/QUOTE]Gents,
The WeChat solicitations are more dangerous than the ones on BackPages.
With few exceptions, the WeChat ladies are not even ladies at all, but men who have a nice collection of photos. They will schedule an appointment with you, tell you via WeChat to meet them at a pharmacy or another location where stored value cards (Amazon, etc.) are sold. They will tell you to buy $200 in cards, but then add more -- $200 more- as a tip for the girl. Then they'll tell you to scratch off the PIN number on the card, and send them photos of each via WeChat. That's all they need to use the cards. Meanwhile, either the 'girl' will disappear from WeChat or block you as a contact. Or in some cases, an Asian guy will call you and demand that you buy more cards; if you refuse, he will threaten to turn you in for soliciting a minor. Scenario #2: You meet the girl and she says, follow me to my house. She goes in first. You wait 5 minutes as she's told you to do, you ring a bell for an apartment and lo and behold she is gone. Or the man shows up and demands money.
Anyway, this is scam is well known overseas and perhaps less so here. Those ladies are cute, though and once again it is hard to override the little brain.
Here in the Boston area the usual offer is presented as "2 hours, 200 Full Service." or "2 hours 200 sex blow job afterwards."
Best,
Blambo.
[QUOTE=BlamboMcGee;2734604]Gents,
With few exceptions, the WeChat ladies are not even ladies at all, but men who have a nice collection of photos. They will schedule an appointment with you, tell you via WeChat to meet them at a pharmacy or another location where stored value cards (Amazon, etc.) are sold. They will tell you to buy $200 in cards, but then add more -- $200 more- as a tip for the girl. Then they'll tell you to scratch off the PIN number on the card, and send them photos of each via WeChat. That's all they need to use the cards. Meanwhile, either the 'girl' will disappear from WeChat or block you as a contact. Or in some cases, an Asian guy will call you and demand that you buy more cards; if you refuse, he will threaten to turn you in for soliciting a minor. Scenario #2: You meet the girl and she says, follow me to my house. She goes in first. You wait 5 minutes as she's told you to do, you ring a bell for an apartment and lo and behold she is gone. Or the man shows up and demands money.
Anyway, this is scam is well known overseas and perhaps less so here. Those ladies are cute, though and once again it is hard to override the little brain.
Here in the Boston area the usual offer is presented as "2 hours, 200 Full Service." or "2 hours 200 sex blow job afterwards."
Best,
Blambo.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the story I got. So never responded after the offers. But still talking to some massage gals in the area that are on it.
As always if the photo is TGTBT it is a scammer. I have been seeing this for about a year now here in the city. They ask you to get the gift card at $200, you can get them down to $100, and waste their time. At least that way they are not scamming someone for real. Kind of like it was back in the day baiting the scammers from Nigeria, driving them crazy.
[QUOTE=Bjee89;2734608]Sounds like the story I got. So never responded after the offers. But still talking to some massage gals in the area that are on it.[/QUOTE]
Recently I got a PM from a senior who asked why I keep going to AMPs if I keep on reporting these negative experiences. I have to admit I was a little taken aback, but on Further Review, I admit it's true. I do report my negative experiences more than my positive. And I'll tell you why.
In my experience around Chicago and Indiana, from my first experience in 1992, I have far more positive AMP experiences than negative. And I've come to realize that if you look for the signs and give the signs, you are sure to leave happy from 80 or 90 percent of them. Of course "leaving happy" is a pretty low standard for an AMP. I've had experiences that range from "Oh my God, I need to rob banks so I can visit again!" to just plain "That *****!
So I think I do a bigger service by reporting to you guys the AMPs to stay away from, rather than the ones that provide average to good service. But, I'll put it out there for feedback. What do you guys want? Do you prefer reports on the good AMPs or reports on the bad, ripoff AMPs?
[QUOTE=SamSpade;2747977]
So I think I do a bigger service by reporting to you guys the AMPs to stay away from, rather than the ones that provide average to good service. But, I'll put it out there for feedback. What do you guys want? Do you prefer reports on the good AMPs or reports on the bad, ripoff AMPs?[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more. It's obvious you've been around the block more than a few X. Especially 5,6,7 yrs ago. When it seemed like anytime one of us would post about a good find 2 things would happen.
1) The place would get swamped with business. Thats good.
2) The place would get shut down. Thats bad.
We have to be pretty naive to think that LE doesn't also read our posts. That's why we need to be careful. And most of us are.
When I find a good place now I usually keep it to myself. Ride it out, then when its mostly used up, find something to complain about and post cause I don't give a shit anymore if they get closed down. Plus it helps others save their hard earned! Selfish? Sure. But I've been around too and have taken many, many, many, ftt.
I'm in your camp and fully understand. I think many members feel the same way and also don't post about their good experiences / locations about 90% of the time but have no problem posting about the bad ones.
The senior that wrote to you, he'll come around. If not that's fine too.
I agree with you. Not a big need to talk a lot about places most of us know. Don't shine too big a light on places or people we like. If a new shop opens, that's probably the time to post a review. But otherwise, I think mostly, the bad need to be mentioned to avoid. Bob.
[QUOTE=SamSpade;2747977]Recently I got a PM from a senior who asked why I keep going to AMPs if I keep on reporting these negative experiences. I have to admit I was a little taken aback, but on Further Review, I admit it's true. I do report my negative experiences more than my positive. And I'll tell you why.
In my experience around Chicago and Indiana, from my first experience in 1992, I have far more positive AMP experiences than negative. And I've come to realize that if you look for the signs and give the signs, you are sure to leave happy from 80 or 90 percent of them. Of course "leaving happy" is a pretty low standard for an AMP. I've had experiences that range from "Oh my God, I need to rob banks so I can visit again!" to just plain "That *****!
So I think I do a bigger service by reporting to you guys the AMPs to stay away from, rather than the ones that provide average to good service. But, I'll put it out there for feedback. What do you guys want? Do you prefer reports on the good AMPs or reports on the bad, ripoff AMPs?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bob521;2748263]I agree with you. Not a big need to talk a lot about places most of us know. Don't shine too big a light on places or people we like. If a new shop opens, that's probably the time to post a review. But otherwise, I think mostly, the bad need to be mentioned to avoid. Bob.[/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree even though sometimes I keep ones to myself as well- so I understand the thinking. The point of the board is to share information. The whole reason I started going to places in the post internet era was from the info I got on the board. That's how I met Eva and Veronica from 7th Heaven- two of my all time favorites who unfortunately are no longer in the business. If no one had ever spoke of the place I would not have known about it- nor the high quality massages they provided. I know it's an EMP but I'm just illustrating a point. I just don't have the money (or time) to try every place that advertises and which gals not to see, what they look like, etc. I depend on good reviews and descriptions of the gals, prices, where they're at, etc. to help narrow my choices. Some guys like junk in the trunk- I like them petite, thin and fit. Some guys like full service- I like a standard ending and a more therapeutic massage.
I also found a great AMP in Rockford a long time ago called Rainbow Spa from this board. I needed a mongers help to find the damn place- it was difficult to see from the road. I got that from this board. Man I miss that place. Great massages, beautiful women, and they treated you like a king- ( for ex. Putting my shoes on for me.) I was so relaxed after those massages.
What I usually do is hold back if it's a place or gal I really like until someone else mentions it- otherwise I will share it. Then I figure the horse has left the barn and I might comment on it or trade info with another member unless the gal specifically asks me not to mention her in reviews. Then I respect her wishes.
So I guess my preference is for others to mention both the good and bad ones. This board would suck if all we read were jack shacks and ugly chicks giving lousy massages. Uncle LEO knows about massage parlors- I mean they see them in the strip mall, their ads on the internet, etc. If the powers that be want to shut them down- I'm sure they will regardless of what is written here. Anyway that's my opinion.
I'm torn. Everything you say is true and I've "discovered" places thanks to the board. I suppose "PM" is a tool to bridge the gap. Also, anybody who advertises, clearly wants to be found, so I have no problem talking about them and passing along the links. Also, because some places offer extras, including FS, at the discretion of the woman, it's hard to promise that everybody will get the same. Also, I sometimes get extras at legit places, when I know the woman. I can't talk about those cases without the permission of the woman, and even then, only in PMs. I just don't want to hurt anybody. Bob.
[QUOTE=Kellster;2748279]I respectfully disagree even though sometimes I keep ones to myself as well- so I understand the thinking. The point of the board is to share information. The whole reason I started going to places in the post internet era was from the info I got on the board. That's how I met Eva and Veronica from 7th Heaven- two of my all time favorites who unfortunately are no longer in the business. If no one had ever spoke of the place I would not have known about it- nor the high quality massages they provided. I know it's an EMP but I'm just illustrating a point. I just don't have the money (or time) to try every place that advertises and which gals not to see, what they look like, etc. I depend on good reviews and descriptions of the gals, prices, where they're at, etc. to help narrow my choices. Some guys like junk in the trunk- I like them petite, thin and fit. Some guys like full service- I like a standard ending and a more therapeutic massage.
I also found a great AMP in Rockford a long time ago called Rainbow Spa from this board. I needed a mongers help to find the damn place- it was difficult to see from the road. I got that from this board. Man I miss that place. Great massages, beautiful women, and they treated you like a king- ( for ex. Putting my shoes on for me.) I was so relaxed after those massages.
What I usually do is hold back if it's a place or gal I really like until someone else mentions it- otherwise I will share it. Then I figure the horse has left the barn and I might comment on it or trade info with another member unless the gal specifically asks me not to mention her in reviews. Then I respect her wishes.
So I guess my preference is for others to mention both the good and bad ones. This board would suck if all we read were jack shacks and ugly chicks giving lousy massages. Uncle LEO knows about massage parlors- I mean they see them in the strip mall, their ads on the internet, etc. If the powers that be want to shut them down- I'm sure they will regardless of what is written here. Anyway that's my opinion.[/QUOTE]
It is kind of a tricky situation trying to figure out what you should put in a review, or if you should even put up a review. Sometimes when I write a negative review, I don't want people to think that I am being a negative Nancy or a crabby old man. I just feel that it is my obligation to tell other Monger's about bad experiences so that they don't make the same mistakes I have made. I am not a rich guy, so for me to go out on a Saturday afternoon and drop a see-note at an AMP is a big deal sometimes. If I have a bad experience I will report about it, so that other's won't have to make the same mistake I did. Here is where the double edged sword comes into play. If you put up too glowing of a review on a place, this can upset people and then you start getting the angry PM's. I 100% agree with Bob521, if a place advertises all over the internet, then any review written is fair game. I have seen a lot of negative review's on here, but I don't think any of them had malicious intent. They were only meant to help out fellow Monger's make an informed decision. SaintChuck.
[QUOTE=Bob521;2748661]I'm torn. Everything you say is true and I've "discovered" places thanks to the board. I suppose "PM" is a tool to bridge the gap. Also, anybody who advertises, clearly wants to be found, so I have no problem talking about them and passing along the links. Also, because some places offer extras, including FS, at the discretion of the woman, it's hard to promise that everybody will get the same. I just don't want to hurt anybody. Bob.[/QUOTE]You took the words right out of my mouth.
I've been at this almost 20 years and I've watched this scene not only in Chicago but in other cities in the US. Yes the purpose of a board is to share but that is no excuse to be ignorant to the fact that too much exposure closes down an AMP. And while there are plenty of women out there I do enjoy having some long term fun with someone I'm comfortable with and who is comfortable with me.
When I first started the first best info I needed was where not to go. How not to get ripped off. But yes little' rub wants to know where there is a girl who does what I want done with the type of body I like. Mongers are so stupid that they will walk into an AMP with the cops standing right there! I know we want everything, share everything, LE sees it anyway so who care. But that is not smart thinking. No offense.
What we really need is for this to be legalized. It used to be illegal to be a homosexual but now it's ok. Sodomy was illegal it now it's ok. Sex workers or getting an erotic massage needs to be legalized. Period. Then we wouldn't have to think with are big heads and could tell all. LOL
Til then my thought is to be wise about sharing. If you're a noob I'll share where not to go. I'll tell the whole forum of a rip off. If your a vet I'll share some detail. Most vets don't want much anyway. Some want a preggo and some want DFK and some want big nips. Most vets know how things work and want to know where to find a girl open to having a good time. They do the rest themselves.
My favorite places have been there forever. Chatter is low and it works. Blow up a place with posts everyday just puts a target on their back so the LE can say what a great job they've done. So will you blow it up and then cry about the good old days?
So that just me. If anyone has a better idea please let me know. But I'm not going to be ignorant to the facts as they are today.
What places have been closed down because of this board?
[QUOTE=Rubenme2;2748701]You took the words right out of my mouth.
I've been at this almost 20 years and I've watched this scene not only in Chicago but in other cities in the US. Yes the purpose of a board is to share but that is no excuse to be ignorant to the fact that too much exposure closes down an AMP. And while there are plenty of women out there I do enjoy having some long term fun with someone I'm comfortable with and who is comfortable with me.
When I first started the first best info I needed was where not to go. How not to get ripped off. But yes little' rub wants to know where there is a girl who does what I want done with the type of body I like. Mongers are so stupid that they will walk into an AMP with the cops standing right there! I know we want everything, share everything, LE sees it anyway so who care. But that is not smart thinking. No offense.
What we really need is for this to be legalized. It used to be illegal to be a homosexual but now it's ok. Sodomy was illegal it now it's ok. Sex workers or getting an erotic massage needs to be legalized. Period. Then we wouldn't have to think with are big heads and could tell all. LOL
Til then my thought is to be wise about sharing. If you're a noob I'll share where not to go. I'll tell the whole forum of a rip off. If your a vet I'll share some detail. Most vets don't want much anyway. Some want a preggo and some want DFK and some want big nips. Most vets know how things work and want to know where to find a girl open to having a good time. They do the rest themselves.
My favorite places have been there forever. Chatter is low and it works. Blow up a place with posts everyday just puts a target on their back so the LE can say what a great job they've done. So will you blow it up and then cry about the good old days?
So that just me. If anyone has a better idea please let me know. But I'm not going to be ignorant to the facts as they are today.[/QUOTE]
As a point of reference check out the Indianapolis board.
A year ago places are shut down so quickly that posts are are ultra coded! It's that bad there. I alway RTFF. But this was a hard nut to crack. I was able to figure it out. I met a great girl and had a great session. My review was that I left relaxed. What else needs to be known?
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;2748711]What places have been closed down because of this board?[/QUOTE]I would not blame this board 100%. But I have noticed the trend for over 20 years that increased chatter is generally followed by a shut down.
For Chicago / NWI, Senina, Nabi, Pea King Spa to name few.
Ask the guys in LA what they lost. They had 2 pick your own Asian or Latina places in Inglewood. Gone. And multiple shut downs afterward.
Ask the guys in San Francisco what they lost. Pick from 6-12 Asian women. Gone. Multiple shut downs force the scene to almost go deeper underground.
Ask the guys in Indianapolis. Shut downs monthly. Board is so coded it's unbelievable.
I'm sorry your only seeing one side of this. I could name decade long places with little to no chatter and you'd say no one talks about those places or that people say very little. That's the key! So just call me crazy I'm ok with that. I know those who hate hearing those words but I think a few get it.
When there are talks about boards getting places closed it may discourage others from posting.
I don't get attached to places or workers at those places so if one closes I can go somewhere else.
[QUOTE=Rubenme2;2748734]I would not blame this board 100%. But I have noticed the trend for over 20 years that increased chatter is generally followed by a shut down.
For Chicago / NWI, Senina, Nabi, Pea King Spa to name few.
Ask the guys in LA what they lost. They had 2 pick your own Asian or Latina places in Inglewood. Gone. And multiple shut downs afterward.
Ask the guys in San Francisco what they lost. Pick from 6-12 Asian women. Gone. Multiple shut downs force the scene to almost go deeper underground.
Ask the guys in Indianapolis. Shut downs monthly. Board is so coded it's unbelievable.
I'm sorry your only seeing one side of this. I could name decade long places with little to no chatter and you'd say no one talks about those places or that people say very little. That's the key! So just call me crazy I'm ok with that. I know those who hate hearing those words but I think a few get it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;2748792]When there are talks about boards getting places closed it may discourage others from posting.
I don't get attached to places or workers at those places so if one closes I can go somewhere else.[/QUOTE]I see both sides of this argument. With my absolute favorites I am reluctant to post so I understand- but everyone else yeah I think it's a good thing to post both good and bad experiences. You don't have to give a play by play- but saying you had a good time and a description of the gal looked like, how much it cost, etc is a good thing. My point is when I first started out in the pre-internet era of the 90's- it was from trial and error. I'd see an ad in the sports section of the newspaper and check it out. Guess what- back then some of the places still got shut down without any chatter / posts / etc. The thinking that suddenly posting about a place will be the sole cause of it getting shut down is misguided and wrong. It reduces the point of this forum. If it does get shutdown the board has been helpful in relocating where some of the gals have resurfaced. Heck sometimes they just quit the business or move without it closing.
[QUOTE=Kellster;2748878]I see both sides of this argument. With my absolute favorites I am reluctant to post so I understand- but everyone else yeah I think it's a good thing to post both good and bad experiences. You don't have to give a play by play- but saying you had a good time and a description of the gal looked like, how much it cost, etc is a good thing. My point is when I first started out in the pre-internet era of the 90's- it was from trial and error. I'd see an ad in the sports section of the newspaper and check it out. Guess what- back then some of the places still got shut down without any chatter / posts / etc. The thinking that suddenly posting about a place will be the sole cause of it getting shut down is misguided and wrong. It reduces the point of this forum. If it does get shutdown the board has been helpful in relocating where some of the gals have resurfaced. Heck sometimes they just quit the business or move without it closing.[/QUOTE]THis thread here had me questioning what do I actually post on here so I went back in my posts a couple of years and found the following. About.
20% questions to others about AMPs, BP ads, etc.
20% answers to other members questions.
20% what I would say are Public Service Announcements.
20% Comments about money, keeping prices down, others over paying, etc.
19% actual reports on AMPs, BP or streets.
And one report that "Bob you're a Stud!
I guess I spread my reports fairly evenly across the boards.
My two cents is that if the experience is terrible I'm willing to let guys know. If the experience is positive but average, then I'm willing to let guys know because frankly those experiences are a dime a dozen and if that place gets shut down then I just move on to the next place. Now if the experience is as I read earlier as "I need to rob a bank to keep coming here" , then I'm going to be more hesitant to share because those experiences are harder to replace.
Be safe guys and keep having fun!
Joe.
[QUOTE=Kellster;2748878]I see both sides of this argument. With my absolute favorites I am reluctant to post so I understand- but everyone else yeah I think it's a good thing to post both good and bad experiences. You don't have to give a play by play- but saying you had a good time and a description of the gal looked like, how much it cost, etc is a good thing. My point is when I first started out in the pre-internet era of the 90's- it was from trial and error. I'd see an ad in the sports section of the newspaper and check it out. Guess what- back then some of the places still got shut down without any chatter / posts / etc. The thinking that suddenly posting about a place will be the sole cause of it getting shut down is misguided and wrong. It reduces the point of this forum. If it does get shutdown the board has been helpful in relocating where some of the gals have resurfaced. Heck sometimes they just quit the business or move without it closing.[/QUOTE]I make a point of connecting with the woman. That way if, inevitably, the place gets closed, I can follow her to the new place. Plus, when she gets to the new place, we are already at an advance level of connection. So, for me, I am loyal to the woman, not the store. Bob.
[QUOTE=Bob521;2749476]I make a point of connecting with the woman. That way if, inevitably, the place gets closed, I can follow her to the new place. Plus, when she gets to the new place, we are already at an advance level of connection. So, for me, I am loyal to the woman, not the store. Bob.[/QUOTE]My guess is that we all are a product of our own personalities, experiences and environment.
When I first started some places would not deliver a completion if they did not know you. I've always known you can get more flies with honey than with vinegar and it's who I am anyway so I made nice with the mamasan. Now every visit was great. She made sure every girl delivered the goods to keep me as a good customer. If the girl was not good I could take it straight to the top and she wouldn't be there long. It helped me get more time too as the mms was more relaxed.
I couldn't help but to meet and get close to some girls. Some gave me their numbers and I would set up appointments directly with them no matter where they worked. A few came to my hotel and we'd spend half the day having a good time. One was friends with the local LE and could tell me when busts were going down. Funny thing is that I was getting connections but never looked for deeper connections. I thank Bob for raising my awareness to the next level.
So with a collection of places that knew me I as all set. Sure I'd try a new place sometimes but I had more sure things than I could handle. Two were amazing and I joined in some of the dicussion. And then they were gone. Owners, girls and Mongers all said the same thing. Too much talk. Is this true? You decide.
Like many here I like having my "go-to place" my "stand by" my "I need to rob a bank" place. I had these all over the country. One area dried up. You couldn't see more than 4 posts and it was shut down. Then another area had the same thing start. A monger pulled me aside and let me in on a few things. If I understood the cause and relationships he would tell me about UTR places. I would need to rechannel the need to tell of every conquest.
So that's where I come from. Right or wrong I really don't care as I know what works for me. I respect the game and it pays back. As always using the big head is better for the little head. I'll share what I can of good places. Tell all the bad. Keep close what others have asked that I keep to myself. It's much better than when I started. New Mongers have way more info. More than enough.
[QUOTE=Bob521;2749476]I make a point of connecting with the woman. That way if, inevitably, the place gets closed, I can follow her to the new place. Plus, when she gets to the new place, we are already at an advance level of connection. So, for me, I am loyal to the woman, not the store. Bob.[/QUOTE]That's good advice. I probably should do that more often. I agree I'm a fan of the gals not necessarily the place because quality and talent can differ greatly depending on which gal you see. Just to illustrate my point further that the powers that be ultimately decide if a place is shutdown and not the posts on the board. Go to the Belvidere forum- there's plenty written there. The two mainstays there, ERS and CLV, according to their websites- have been in business since 1976 and 1984 respectively. That's a long time man. It's a small town that is near the highway and those places are located right in the heart of the town. The town obviously wants the revenue to help it pay for roads, schools, etc. They have limitations- don't go expecting FS but a relaxing massage and a typical finish are tolerated for the benefits of added revenue for the town. It's a win-win-win situation for the town, the gals, and the customers.
[QUOTE=Joe6009;2749131]THis thread here had me questioning what do I actually post on here so I went back in my posts a couple of years and found the following. About.
20% questions to others about AMPs, BP ads, etc.
20% answers to other members questions.
20% what I would say are Public Service Announcements.
20% Comments about money, keeping prices down, others over paying, etc.
19% actual reports on AMPs, BP or streets.
And one report that "Bob you're a Stud!
I guess I spread my reports fairly evenly across the boards.
My two cents is that if the experience is terrible I'm willing to let guys know. If the experience is positive but average, then I'm willing to let guys know because frankly those experiences are a dime a dozen and if that place gets shut down then I just move on to the next place. Now if the experience is as I read earlier as "I need to rob a bank to keep coming here" , then I'm going to be more hesitant to share because those experiences are harder to replace.
Be safe guys and keep having fun!
Joe.[/QUOTE]Yeah that sounds about right. I'm the same way- reluctant to post my all time favorites. Instead I might trade info via pm. But there are plenty of good experiences that we can post about. Maybe they're decent looking but the quality isn't the best, or maybe the massage is good quality but expensive, etc. Those places are a dime a dozen and yet still contribute greatly to the board by helping members know what the gals look like, how the massages are, the prices, etc. And helps us decide ultimately whether we want to spend our money there or to cross them off the list and go elsewhere. For example- I thought of trying Blackjacks strip club in Elgin after reading a good report. Once I learned about the prices for lap dances I crossed it off the list- way too expensive for me. For others where money isn't an issue- it might be great- - it just depends.
Well put. Funny how the towns can look the other way for that reason.
[QUOTE=Kellster;2750207]That's good advice. I probably should do that more often. I agree I'm a fan of the gals not necessarily the place because quality and talent can differ greatly depending on which gal you see. Just to illustrate my point further that the powers that be ultimately decide if a place is shutdown and not the posts on the board. Go to the Belvidere forum- there's plenty written there. The two mainstays there, ERS and CLV, according to their websites- have been in business since 1976 and 1984 respectively. That's a long time man. It's a small town that is near the highway and those places are located right in the heart of the town. The town obviously wants the revenue to help it pay for roads, schools, etc. They have limitations- don't go expecting FS but a relaxing massage and a typical finish are tolerated for the benefits of added revenue for the town. It's a win-win-win situation for the town, the gals, and the customers.[/QUOTE]
We all fish with our own bait and tackle. Some guys use a harpoon. But at my age and limitations, I'm more of a fly fisherman, with a very flexible rod (sadly) and the patience to drop my fly into the water until I get a bite. I think we all enjoy the community of the board. Useful intel and advice, and some pretty good stories along the way. If it were a different setting we'd probably all be drinking buddies. Actually a few of us already are. Bob.
[QUOTE=Rubenme2;2749885]My guess is that we all are a product of our own personalities, experiences and environment.
When I first started some places would not deliver a completion if they did not know you. I've always known you can get more flies with honey than with vinegar and it's who I am anyway so I made nice with the mamasan. Now every visit was great. She made sure every girl delivered the goods to keep me as a good customer. If the girl was not good I could take it straight to the top and she wouldn't be there long. It helped me get more time too as the mms was more relaxed.
I couldn't help but to meet and get close to some girls. Some gave me their numbers and I would set up appointments directly with them no matter where they worked. A few came to my hotel and we'd spend half the day having a good time. One was friends with the local LE and could tell me when busts were going down. Funny thing is that I was getting connections but never looked for deeper connections. I thank Bob for raising my awareness to the next level.
So with a collection of places that knew me I as all set. Sure I'd try a new place sometimes but I had more sure things than I could handle. Two were amazing and I joined in some of the dicussion. And then they were gone. Owners, girls and Mongers all said the same thing. Too much talk. Is this true? You decide.
Like many here I like having my "go-to place" my "stand by" my "I need to rob a bank" place. I had these all over the country. One area dried up. You couldn't see more than 4 posts and it was shut down. Then another area had the same thing start. A monger pulled me aside and let me in on a few things. If I understood the cause and relationships he would tell me about UTR places. I would need to rechannel the need to tell of every conquest.
So that's where I come from. Right or wrong I really don't care as I know what works for me. I respect the game and it pays back. As always using the big head is better for the little head. I'll share what I can of good places. Tell all the bad. Keep close what others have asked that I keep to myself. It's much better than when I started. New Mongers have way more info. More than enough.[/QUOTE]
I post what I want to say about a place, when I want to say it, and how I want to say it. This site exists for many reasons, and its domain name pulls no punches as to what it exists for. Whether a place stays open or closes or gets busted is no concern of mine, and neither are the women who work there. They, both the parlor and the individual women who work there, make the decision on how they are going to conduct their business and themselves. They can be legit, and accept the $10 and $20 tips, or they can work cocks, and make a lot more. If they choose the latter, we, and they, know what they are. They get to live with that decision, just as any of us get to live with the decisions we make in our lives. I'm not going to pretend to be some knight on a white horse any more than I'll pretend that a masseuse is some vestal virgin whose honor it is my job to defend. If we're not going to share information openly, then this site has no reason to exist, and may well cease to exist. Not that I am going to give a detailed move by move, Penthouse Forum-worthy play by play of what goes on in a massage session. But I'll be damned if I'm going to act under the delusional premise that I'm protecting a business or the women in there. As a wise poster once said, "if they're doing it with you, they're doing it with someone else". You aren't special, and neither are they.
Agree with the sentiments about some places clearly wanting to be found. If a place is UTR, I keep my mouth shut. For places that do advertise, the only ones I post about generally are the ones that fail to deliver the expected results. If a place doesn't have many or any reviews I'll report on it as being bad only to save the rest of the members hard earned cash. I get kind of PO'd when I waste money on someone that doesn't deliver, so why not help out fellow mongers? If I go to a location that already has a lot of reviews, it sounds like I'm bragging if I just say I went there and got what everyone else did.
Some things are better off kept low key via PM. The unfortunate aspect of this site is anyone can read it without registering, so that means Fucktard Tom Dart and his incompetent employees can go after low level, low risk things like Asian girls giving handies, instead of doing something that actually involves physical exertion like busting a crack house. No wonder they are all fat pigs, pun intended.
A couple weeks ago I was having a session with one of my regulars. We were having a very good time when all of a sudden the door opens. Standing there is a middle age guy with some gray and a towel wrapped around himself. He looks like he just saw something he shouldn't have and closes the door but not before he got an eyeful of everything, and it couldn't have happened at a better time, (for him). Well needless to say we were in shock and a bit confused what just happened. She was scared he was going to go say something to the boss lady whom he was having a session with himself. Of course that's a nightmare situation for a girl fearing she would be fired on the spot. I tried to assure her that the guy wouldn't say anything but I had no way of knowing that. She was in tears and soon after our session ended. A week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks go by and nothing has been said so her job seems to be safe. Whew. So "Thank You" if it was someone on here that kept your lips sealed! The Guy Code is definitely alive and well in Chicagoland spas.
OK, I know I'm way off geographically, to be posting this on the Illinois forum. But bear with me. I'm travelling for business in Germany for the last 3 weeks, in a 'burb just north of Frankfurt. Getting ready for this trip, I'm reading up on all the sex clubs in Frankfurt on the International version of this site. Hey, I can't wait.
What do you know, my co-workers and bosses have something from me to do way late every night, and on the weekends my co-workers want to see the sites. No way I can make it to Frankfurt and back in decent time after fun and still show up for work the next morning fresh and smart and business-like.
In frustration I looked at the local massage establishments, all either Thai or Chinese. I pick the Chinese one, figuring my luck would be better and if nothing else I'd get a good massage. So the first indication that this was not going to be good was that the woman who opened the door had a face like a Chinese catchers mitt. Second, she doesn't speak a word of English. But it's only 50 E, and I only have an hour and a half before my co-workers grab me, so I go for it.
The MT they sent me was better looking (had to be), but still a bit of a frumpy middle aged type. The massage for amazing. Wrapped in blankets and massaged, oiled and massaged, stretched and more massage. I was resigned to nothing happening.
On the flip she starts rubbing my stomach and getting closer to the boys. It got a rise, but she moved on to the top of my legs and I figured it was just a fluke. So she's all done, I'm sleepy and dreaming. She shakes me gently and looks at me. With no emotion except what you'd expect from friendly customer service, she asks "You wan hajob?" I smile, nod and say Yes. So she gets the oil, uncovers the package and goes to work for a really good HJ. The funny thing is, it was all so Matter of Fact. I know it's Germany, but still. It was a good neighborhood and a fantastic massage. It was unexpected.
On the way out I tipped her 30 E and she seemed thrilled. I'm betting she was expecting no more that what you would tip for a regular massage in the USA Generous Americans. We ought to wear signs.
In a few days I may try one of the Thai establishments and see if my luck holds.
[QUOTE=HeadFirst;2860473]A couple weeks ago I was having a session with one of my regulars. We were having a very good time when all of a sudden the door opens. Standing there is a middle age guy with some gray and a towel wrapped around himself. He looks like he just saw something he shouldn't have and closes the door but not before he got an eyeful of everything, and it couldn't have happened at a better time, (for him). Well needless to say we were in shock and a bit confused what just happened. She was scared he was going to go say something to the boss lady whom he was having a session with himself. Of course that's a nightmare situation for a girl fearing she would be fired on the spot. I tried to assure her that the guy wouldn't say anything but I had no way of knowing that. She was in tears and soon after our session ended. A week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks go by and nothing has been said so her job seems to be safe. Whew. So "Thank You" if it was someone on here that kept your lips sealed! The Guy Code is definitely alive and well in Chicagoland spas.[/QUOTE]Here's the story Head First. It was my first time there. I was looking for the bathroom when I mistakenly opened your unlocked door. Indeed I was surprised and agree my timing was rather perfect. Sorry to hear she was in tears. Rest assured, no risk of me saying a word. Anyway, I did have a laugh when I got to the bathroom. My thoughts were, who was a bigger dumbass, you for not locking the door, or me for opening it!. BTW, speaking of gray hair!
[QUOTE=Getahead;2918788]Here's the story Head First. It was my first time there. I was looking for the bathroom when I mistakenly opened your unlocked door. Indeed I was surprised and agree my timing was rather perfect. Sorry to hear she was in tears. Rest assured, no risk of me saying a word. Anyway, I did have a laugh when I got to the bathroom. My thoughts were, who was a bigger dumbass, you for not locking the door, or me for opening it!. BTW, speaking of gray hair![/QUOTE]Definitely me that should be wearing the dunce cap. You were looking for the bathroom and since this was your first time there, you had no idea the door you were opening was in fact another massage room. It's way in the back away from the others so it was easy to mistake it for the "bathwoom in back."
Point to remember on future visits there. None of the doors have locks on them. We usually pushed the chair over but since you were already in your room I assumed there wouldn't be any roaming in the hall. Lesson learned.
And that's precisely why this forum is so important. So that we can learn and benefit from others, good and bad.
No harm. No foul.
Welcome!!
[QUOTE=HeadFirst;2923271]Definitely me that should be wearing the dunce cap. You were looking for the bathroom and since this was your first time there, you had no idea the door you were opening was in fact another massage room. It's way in the back away from the others so it was easy to mistake it for the "bathwoom in back."
Point to remember on future visits there. None of the doors have locks on them. We usually pushed the chair over but since you were already in your room I assumed there wouldn't be any roaming in the hall. Lesson learned.
And that's precisely why this forum is so important. So that we can learn and benefit from others, good and bad.
No harm. No foul.
Welcome!![/QUOTE]Wow that's wild! Not only did that happen, but you guys are both members on here and saw each other's post on the forum haha!
Yesterday I was at a Chinese place, where the nice young lady right off the boat spoke very little English. Did a nice job on the massage. Little bit of teasing, didn't mind my Roman hands.
On the flip, she puts her head on my chest, laughing and touching Mr. Johnson, then gets right to the handy. So after a few minutes I start breathing heavily and complimenting her on the job she's doing.
All of a sudden, she stops, reaches to the table for the towel and starts cleaning me up. I had to explain to her, a few times, that I didn't finish. She looks at me with that confused look on her face, like she's done something wrong but doesn't know what. I have her look at the towel. See? No gooey white stuff.
She apologizes several times, grabs the oil and gets back to work, this time to a satisfactory end.
In the 20+ years I've been going to AMPs, this never happened to me. Sure the lights are dim, but not that dim. As for the other clues that an MP to take that a guy has finished, I'll leave to your imagination.
I don't have lots of time to come on here and post sometimes, but when I come across fake ads, bait and switch, or poor services from Backpage. I try to report them to Backpage to try to get them blocked from posting, but same ads are still up. How can you get them flagged on backpage?
If you've ever been to an AMP or an EMP, you know how annoying it is for the MT to get you all worked up and then stop to ask "How much you give me?" What's worse is if they make you get up to get the the donation out of your pants, count it out, run to another room to put it away and come back 5 minutes later. I much prefer it when the MT simply does the HJ with a smile on her face, lets you roam, and accepts the tip you leave her gracefully as you leave. I also think the later way is safer from LEO, since no exchange is discussed. Sure there's the chance that the girl will get stiffed by the cheap skate, but it is better than getting busted, right?
So over the weekend I visited a new AMP in the northwest burbs that I'd heard some good things about. I go in, and am greeted by a tall, middle aged Korean woman, but with a gut like a beach ball. Going by the said mentioned reports, I decide to stick it out. She tells me to put it back in. No, just kidding. She gives the table shower, but doesn't spend too much time on the butt crack or the junk, so I figure she's not sure about me. I make small talk about the shower and the massage to indicate that I've been to lots of AMPs over the years. Things start to warm up on the massage. She has me turn over and begins a chest and shoulder massage that leaves her boobs right in my face, contact. So, although I am not turned on by her body at all, I figure if I keep my eyes closed it might be OK. I reach up and over and start stroking her legs and butt. She smiles and mumbles a question that is neither English nor Korean. Again, protecting herself by NOT initiating any discussion. Take the next step, I indicate her mouth, my dick. She smiles and leaves the room, I suppose for a cover.
Two minutes later a much nicer looking Korean woman comes in, makes introductions, and just dropping clothes, shoving her tits in my face, reaching down and stroking Big Jim. She gets on the table, puts the cover on with her mouth and gets to work. At this point, no discussion of money, not even a "You tip me good?" Nope, just to work. After five minutes of the covered BJ, I tell her I changed my mind and want it all. Three positions later we're all done. Clean up, more massage. She offers me a second shot. I thought she was joking, but she was serious. Sadly, this old man is spent. She helps me get dressed, gives me water, even lets me suck her tits for another minute. I reach for my wallet and she turns away, not looking. I got the standard donation for FS and try to hand it to her. She asks me to put it on the table, please. So I do so, and she walks me out the door. She says bye, big woman says bye. I say bye, promising to be back (I will). But she still has no clue as to what I left.
My point. While I've gotten plenty of handies from new spas and MTs that didn't know me, without discussing donation, I've never gotten a BJ, or even expect to get FS, without at least agreeing on the price. That seems a long way to go on trust. I pointed out that I made it clear I was an experienced spa goer. But still, FS?
Now there is nothing that happened that could get the girls busted, I think. Money was not discussed at all after I paid the door fee. Am I wrong? Did I miss something? I'm thinking they were willing to go this far for someone who wasn't acting like a dick, initiated action, and had experience all on the expectation that I would pay and they would not be caught asking sex for money.
You mention going to other places and being hassled about getting the donation first. That has happened to me and I say no I always pay after. The last few times they dropped it but I've had some occasions where they have not and ended up tipping for just the massage and in a couple cases zero tip. Its a crap shoot going to the spa for the first time so I think you lucked out in this situation.
[QUOTE=SamSpade;2952801]If you've ever been to an AMP or an EMP, you know how annoying it is for the MT to get you all worked up and then stop to ask "How much you give me?" What's worse is if they make you get up to get the the donation out of your pants, count it out, run to another room to put it away and come back 5 minutes later. I much prefer it when the MT simply does the HJ with a smile on her face, lets you roam, and accepts the tip you leave her gracefully as you leave. I also think the later way is safer from LEO, since no exchange is discussed. Sure there's the chance that the girl will get stiffed by the cheap skate, but it is better than getting busted, right?
So over the weekend I visited a new AMP in the northwest burbs that I'd heard some good things about. I go in, and am greeted by a tall, middle aged Korean woman, but with a gut like a beach ball. Going by the said mentioned reports, I decide to stick it out. She tells me to put it back in. No, just kidding. She gives the table shower, but doesn't spend too much time on the butt crack or the junk, so I figure she's not sure about me. I make small talk about the shower and the massage to indicate that I've been to lots of AMPs over the years. Things start to warm up on the massage. She has me turn over and begins a chest and shoulder massage that leaves her boobs right in my face, contact. So, although I am not turned on by her body at all, I figure if I keep my eyes closed it might be OK. I reach up and over and start stroking her legs and butt. She smiles and mumbles a question that is neither English nor Korean. Again, protecting herself by NOT initiating any discussion. Take the next step, I indicate her mouth, my dick. She smiles and leaves the room, I suppose for a cover.
Two minutes later a much nicer looking Korean woman comes in, makes introductions, and just dropping clothes, shoving her tits in my face, reaching down and stroking Big Jim. She gets on the table, puts the cover on with her mouth and gets to work. At this point, no discussion of money, not even a "You tip me good?" Nope, just to work. After five minutes of the covered BJ, I tell her I changed my mind and want it all. Three positions later we're all done. Clean up, more massage. She offers me a second shot. I thought she was joking, but she was serious. Sadly, this old man is spent. She helps me get dressed, gives me water, even lets me suck her tits for another minute. I reach for my wallet and she turns away, not looking. I got the standard donation for FS and try to hand it to her. She asks me to put it on the table, please. So I do so, and she walks me out the door. She says bye, big woman says bye. I say bye, promising to be back (I will). But she still has no clue as to what I left.
My point. While I've gotten plenty of handies from new spas and MTs that didn't know me, without discussing donation, I've never gotten a BJ, or even expect to get FS, without at least agreeing on the price. That seems a long way to go on trust. I pointed out that I made it clear I was an experienced spa goer. But still, FS?
Now there is nothing that happened that could get the girls busted, I think. Money was not discussed at all after I paid the door fee. Am I wrong? Did I miss something? I'm thinking they were willing to go this far for someone who wasn't acting like a dick, initiated action, and had experience all on the expectation that I would pay and they would not be caught asking sex for money.[/QUOTE]
As far as I know As long as money is not discussed you can get FS, HJ whatever, since it's just two consenting adults. The issue comes when they start discussing donations. I've also said no to discussions about donations beforehand and if they push I just will leave or donate to massage only. The discussion always kills the mood of the session.
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;2952950]You mention going to other places and being hassled about getting the donation first. That has happened to me and I say no I always pay after. The last few times they dropped it but I've had some occasions where they have not and ended up tipping for just the massage and in a couple cases zero tip. Its a crap shoot going to the spa for the first time so I think you lucked out in this situation.[/QUOTE]
Looking forward to tomorrow. I've had blue balls for far too long. Had the urge to go looking for some action, but didn't want to take a chance over the 4th of July weekend. Police tend to be out in greater numbers, and they like stopping people from out of town because we're less likely to fight citations in court. Not sure if they would be dumb or petty enough to harass people at local MPs, but they did have a checkpoint at the Illinois border stopping people and looking for illegal fireworks coming in from Indiana. Why risk it? And trolling for SWs would probably be worse. I know I probably play it safe a little too often here, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. So far I've been lucky. Any other mongers have problems this weekend?
Open question, looking for answers.
Over the years, I've occasionally gotten providers who want to know all about you, including that killer, Are you married? I really hate that. No good answer to that question. She wants to know what I do for a living? Fine. What am I doing after the massage? No problem. Are you married? Why the hell would they ask that?
A few weeks ago I got a provider at a local spa who didn't know me. She asks all those questions, including the killer. Then she showed me a pretty good time, I must admit. A few days ago I went back and got her again. The session was a lot quieter this time, but on the flip, we discuss what I want, with me standing completely at attention? "You're married, right?" Are they expecting me to propose?
They want you to carry them away and pay all their bills, they are lazy. That is their version of the American dream.
[QUOTE=SamSpade;2993963]Open question, looking for answers.
Over the years, I've occasionally gotten providers who want to know all about you, including that killer, Are you married? I really hate that. No good answer to that question. She wants to know what I do for a living? Fine. What am I doing after the massage? No problem. Are you married? Why the hell would they ask that?
A few weeks ago I got a provider at a local spa who didn't know me. She asks all those questions, including the killer. Then she showed me a pretty good time, I must admit. A few days ago I went back and got her again. The session was a lot quieter this time, but on the flip, we discuss what I want, with me standing completely at attention? "You're married, right?" Are they expecting me to propose?[/QUOTE]
I've never had an issue with questions. I wear my wedding ring. I tell them my name and contact information. Even business card. I even took my friend to my house for a couple minutes because I had to retrieve something I forgot. In other words, for people I care about, I leave myself completely vulnerable. It's a judgement call about the character of the person you are with. So of course plenty of people I would not share vital information. The flip side, is they leave themselves completely vulnerable to me. I know their real full names and where they are from. All family details. They place their trust in me and I place my trust in them. We travel places together. Cook together. The net result is an actual relationship rather than a business arrangement. HAving said that, there are plenty of people I would never trust. But frankly, those are the ones I'm not interested in. Bob.
[QUOTE=SamSpade;2993963]Open question, looking for answers.
Over the years, I've occasionally gotten providers who want to know all about you, including that killer, Are you married? I really hate that. No good answer to that question. She wants to know what I do for a living? Fine. What am I doing after the massage? No problem. Are you married? Why the hell would they ask that?
A few weeks ago I got a provider at a local spa who didn't know me. She asks all those questions, including the killer. Then she showed me a pretty good time, I must admit. A few days ago I went back and got her again. The session was a lot quieter this time, but on the flip, we discuss what I want, with me standing completely at attention? "You're married, right?" Are they expecting me to propose?[/QUOTE]