Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=ShreddedWeet11;6448440]Has anybody checked out Golden Coast in Hickory? I called them a few days ago and it seems like a good alternative to 518 but didn't know if anyone had a pleasant experience?[/QUOTE]I tried them several times last summer. I saw Jennifer several times and was getting a bit further every time. Last visit, I had FIV and great HJ. I felt more was on the way, but she went back to Korea to help care for her father. For a while, there was only 1 girl there and I tried her 2 x. But she answered door, answered phone and was too busy for a good visit. Haven't been back since, bot sure of Jennifer is back, might have to call and see.

Drove by Top on my way to the chiropractor and there wasn't a single car in the parking lot, open sign was on and was going to stop by again, drove by when leaving from chiropractor and there were several cars in the lot. I am glad to see others are taking a visit to see them, support them whenever you can, we got to keep them around LOL.

Hey gents, I'm a traveler 24/7. Please give addresses for: 518, golden coast, and Top spas. Thanks for your help.

HH.

[QUOTE=ShreddedWeet11;6453576]Drove by Top on my way to the chiropractor and there wasn't a single car in the parking lot, open sign was on and was going to stop by again, drove by when leaving from chiropractor and there were several cars in the lot. I am glad to see others are taking a visit to see them, support them whenever you can, we got to keep them around LOL.[/QUOTE]I was the a week ago is it under new management.

[QUOTE=TomyJonson1955;6462698]I was the a week ago is it under new management.[/QUOTE]I don't believe it is under new management, mamasan was there along with a cute lady when I went, I was the only one there and it was perfect on my visit. Going to be trying out 518 in the next week or two and will give a report back on my experience.

[QUOTE=ShreddedWeet11;6453576]Drove by Top on my way to the chiropractor and there wasn't a single car in the parking lot, open sign was on and was going to stop by again, drove by when leaving from chiropractor and there were several cars in the lot. I am glad to see others are taking a visit to see them, support them whenever you can, we got to keep them around LOL.[/QUOTE]Where is this place at?

[QUOTE=FukNut;6462974]Where is this place at?[/QUOTE]It's right off highway 70 in Hickory like you are headed to the strip clubs, across from Walmart Neighborhood Market behind the janky hotel. The best bet is to call a day beforehand and make an appointment. Doing that helped my case as I walked right in and got served up quickly.

[QUOTE=Harry2671;6455599]Hey gents, I'm a traveler 24/7. Please give addresses for: 518, golden coast, and Top spas. Thanks for your help.

HH.[/QUOTE]If you use Google maps on your phone, open it, in upper right corner click on your initial or picture and choose "incognito mode". You can find both by searching Google and since you are in incognito mode, the search results will not be part of your Google search history.

[QUOTE=ShreddedWeet11;6463443]It's right off highway 70 in Hickory like you are headed to the strip clubs, across from Walmart Neighborhood Market behind the janky hotel. The best bet is to call a day beforehand and make an appointment. Doing that helped my case as I walked right in and got served up quickly.[/QUOTE]I've been there before & nothing special. Am I doing something wrong?

I was a little leery on my first trip there as I used to go to AA Entertainment back in the day. That place was awesome! Top reminds me of that but, I didn't really do anything special. On my visit I was asked if I would prefer a soft or hard massage. I opted for soft, and it was nothing more than a tickle against my whole body which was relaxing and got me chummed up good. She then did the same for my nut sack and hanging meat. At that point I knew it was going to be a good visit. Once I flipped over, I was greeted with a gift that keeps on giving.

Visited Top for a 30-minute massage. Drew Kelly, probably late 40's / early 50's, spinner. Very nice attitude throughout. Medium massage was good. Standard finish went well, and no mention of tip before or after. Between house fee and tip, I left having parted with one bill in total.

Some have suggested more being available at Top. My experience gave no indication of that, but my choosing a 30-min massage may have set that tone.

Note that construction work is going on at the hotel next door during the day. They're paying attention to their work, but just in case you have any concern about being seen.

Visited Top again yesterday and I must say my second visit was even better than my first, I saw Kelly and she was mid to late 40's, pretty sexy, decent size tiddis. I opted for the medium massage this time and when she came back in the room, she used my Butt cheeks as drums LOL, but it was a funny moment for both of us and helped lighten the mood. At that point I could tell she had a sense of humor which was great. She covered me up with a towel and then I started having a bad feeling about it because throughout the first part of the massage she did not go anywhere near the prized goods, and I was thinking "well if I leave here with just the massage it would be worth it". She used massage oils that had a slight warming sensation which was nice and relaxing. She then asked if I was all good, I said "no, flip?" and she agreed. Flipped over and she began fondling the men's prized possession and goods, she also began rubbing my nipples which really got me turned on, Herbert was then standing at full attention, and she noticed and made a funny comment and we both laughed. Mamasan started saying something to her in Chinese and they were taking back and forth while she was stroking my cock. I then asked her to reveal her tiddis, she obliged and then I pulled them out in which served me with a nice set of decent B cups with cast iron solid nips, I could tell she was getting in to it as I asked her if she wanted to take a seat on it, she agreed that she wanted to but never actually did. I was quite horned up and didn't last very long at all, I shot off a very and I mean very intense helping of men's signature cocktail in which she was incredibly pleased and commented on how much it was. She then went to get a warm damp towel to clean me up down there, she then finished off the rest of the front body massage by rubbing my thighs and feet, she did lean in to give me a kiss in which I hesitated thinking not sure where the lips had been. Cleaned up and left, spent a total of $150 due to her extra efforts she deserved a little extra tip. I didn't get FS but it would have been damn close if I had lasted a bit longer, I also did not have a dune. The only negative about the whole thing was as I was walking in there is something going on with the local police department moving a detention center in next door there, they had signage posted on both front doors which is not good news for Top, but I suppose we will have to see what happens. Anybody taking a trip there, just be cautious of any activity going on over there. Otherwise, amazing trip, you won't regret going!

[QUOTE=ShreddedWeet11;6494895]Visited Top again yesterday and I must say my second visit was even better than my first, I saw Kelly and she was mid to late 40's, pretty sexy, decent size tiddis. I opted for the medium massage this time and when she came back in the room, she used my Butt cheeks as drums LOL, but it was a funny moment for both of us and helped lighten the mood. At that point I could tell she had a sense of humor which was great. She covered me up with a towel and then I started having a bad feeling about it because throughout the first part of the massage she did not go anywhere near the prized goods, and I was thinking "well if I leave here with just the massage it would be worth it". She used massage oils that had a slight warming sensation which was nice and relaxing. She then asked if I was all good, I said "no, flip?" and she agreed. Flipped over and she began fondling the men's prized possession and goods, she also began rubbing my nipples which really got me turned on, Herbert was then standing at full attention, and she noticed and made a funny comment and we both laughed. Mamasan started saying something to her in Chinese and they were taking back and forth while she was stroking my cock. I then asked her to reveal her tiddis, she obliged and then I pulled them out in which served me with a nice set of decent B cups with cast iron solid nips, I could tell she was getting in to it as I asked her if she wanted to take a seat on it, she agreed that she wanted to but never actually did. I was quite horned up and didn't last very long at all, I shot off a very and I mean very intense helping of men's signature cocktail in which she was incredibly pleased and commented on how much it was. She then went to get a warm damp towel to clean me up down there, she then finished off the rest of the front body massage by rubbing my thighs and feet, she did lean in to give me a kiss in which I hesitated thinking not sure where the lips had been. Cleaned up and left, spent a total of $150 due to her extra efforts she deserved a little extra tip. I didn't get FS but it would have been damn close if I had lasted a bit longer, I also did not have a dune. The only negative about the whole thing was as I was walking in there is something going on with the local police department moving a detention center in next door there, they had signage posted on both front doors which is not good news for Top, but I suppose we will have to see what happens. Anybody taking a trip there, just be cautious of any activity going on over there. Otherwise, amazing trip, you won't regret going![/QUOTE]I've been several times and more concerned about the activities at the next door motel.

What are you that are having good experiences doing to get them?

Every time I've been I've got nothing special.

Just curious.

My experience was almost identical as schredd's, playing with my nipples while I played with hers, etc. She even came over and sat straddling me on the chair while I was getting dressed and spent about 5 minutes with her face against mine talking and telling me she might be interested in having a boyfriend. I just blew it off as her way of getting me to come back but I admit the GFE was pleasant. I really had no interest in anything other than the service at the shop but it was a good experience. I'm no one special and did nothing but be nice. I assumed this was her normal way of servicing all her customers. I haven't been back because I actually didn't find her especially attractive but everyone to their own taste.

Anyone tried this place out?

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[QUOTE=Lister69;6516834]Anyone tried this place out?

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/charlotte/massage/asian/980-758-5166-100-new-statesvil/114801088857[/URL][/QUOTE]Nothing more than the handshake at a ridiculous price. I'm done.

I drove by Top earlier today, haven't been by there in a while and they were busy, glad to see that people are keeping them in business. Does anybody have an update on if that juvenile detention center ever moved in next door? I was going to go by there today to see but there were two people standing at the edge of the building and I didn't want anybody to be suspicious of me. I have been to Top twice and have struck out both times on getting FS. Either the girl wasn't horny enough or I wasn't pushy enough even though she seemed interested in appearing to be pleased with my men's vacuum hose and or sump pump. Any suggestions from any other fellows?

Stopped by 518 today for the first time. I called before I went so there was no wait time when I arrived. Nana and mamasan seemed to be the only two people there. So here's my review on Nana.

Looks: 5/10 She wasn't terrible but she wasn't great. I'd say she was in her early to mid 40's. Nothing to grab front or back.

Personality: 2/10 I might just be being harsh on this one but there was a serious language barrier. She doesn't speak or understand any English. On top of that she didn't smile once the entire visit, so there's that.

Massage: 7/10 Best part of the visit honestly, Nana is very good at getting pressure where you want it. The only complaint I have is that her nails were long and sharp as hell, so I have a few scratches in weird places now. I actually really got into the massage though, until mamasan started dropping a deuce one room over. Each plop I heard really made me question what the hell I'm doing with my life.

Extras: 2/10 I'll be honest, I probably could get more turned on pounding my peter to a video of a brick wall. It was so robotic I thought oil would start leaking from her cooter. Before we even got started she fully sprayed down my member with isopropyl alcohol. I was burning like hell as she was trying to get my stick to stand. The CBJ was lackluster and lasted for literally 10 seconds. Then cfs, which wasn't much better.

Price: 60 to house for hour, and I had to negotiate her down from 200 and ended up paying 160. Another thing I don't love is that she stopped the whole show (as terrible as it was) until she had the cabbage in her sweaty palms.

All in all, I won't be going back. I was happy to have something FS a little closer to hickory, but its just not worth it for me.

Good luck and happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Zeth210;6589113]Stopped by 518 today for the first time. I called before I went so there was no wait time when I arrived. Nana and mamasan seemed to be the only two people there. So here's my review on Nana.

Looks: 5/10 She wasn't terrible but she wasn't great. I'd say she was in her early to mid 40's. Nothing to grab front or back.

Personality: 2/10 I might just be being harsh on this one but there was a serious language barrier. She doesn't speak or understand any English. On top of that she didn't smile once the entire visit, so there's that.

Massage: 7/10 Best part of the visit honestly, Nana is very good at getting pressure where you want it. The only complaint I have is that her nails were long and sharp as hell, so I have a few scratches in weird places now. I actually really got into the massage though, until mamasan started dropping a deuce one room over. Each plop I heard really made me question what the hell I'm doing with my life.

Extras: 2/10 I'll be honest, I probably could get more turned on pounding my peter to a video of a brick wall. It was so robotic I thought oil would start leaking from her cooter. Before we even got started she fully sprayed down my member with isopropyl alcohol. I was burning like hell as she was trying to get my stick to stand. The CBJ was lackluster and lasted for literally 10 seconds. Then cfs, which wasn't much better.

Price: 60 to house for hour, and I had to negotiate her down from 200 and ended up paying 160. Another thing I don't love is that she stopped the whole show (as terrible as it was) until she had the cabbage in her sweaty palms.

All in all, I won't be going back. I was happy to have something FS a little closer to hickory, but its just not worth it for me.

Good luck and happy mongering.[/QUOTE]That literally made me laugh so much. That's a very sad but accurate review of the current situation hahaha.

[QUOTE=Zeth210;6589113]Stopped by 518 today for the first time. I called before I went so there was no wait time when I arrived. Nana and mamasan seemed to be the only two people there. So here's my review on Nana.

Looks: 5/10 She wasn't terrible but she wasn't great. I'd say she was in her early to mid 40's. Nothing to grab front or back.

Personality: 2/10 I might just be being harsh on this one but there was a serious language barrier. She doesn't speak or understand any English. On top of that she didn't smile once the entire visit, so there's that.

Massage: 7/10 Best part of the visit honestly, Nana is very good at getting pressure where you want it. The only complaint I have is that her nails were long and sharp as hell, so I have a few scratches in weird places now. I actually really got into the massage though, until mamasan started dropping a deuce one room over. Each plop I heard really made me question what the hell I'm doing with my life.

Extras: 2/10 I'll be honest, I probably could get more turned on pounding my peter to a video of a brick wall. It was so robotic I thought oil would start leaking from her cooter. Before we even got started she fully sprayed down my member with isopropyl alcohol. I was burning like hell as she was trying to get my stick to stand. The CBJ was lackluster and lasted for literally 10 seconds. Then cfs, which wasn't much better.

Price: 60 to house for hour, and I had to negotiate her down from 200 and ended up paying 160. Another thing I don't love is that she stopped the whole show (as terrible as it was) until she had the cabbage in her sweaty palms..[/QUOTE]I thoroughly enjoyed reading this and found great value in it. Thank you for your post! I was considering going to 518 since Top is out of commission due to cock blockers moved in next door so I believe I will just be going for a private girl from here on out. Thanks for your feedback and I hope your member recovers from the alcohol cleansing!

[QUOTE=Zeth210;6589113]Stopped by 518 today for the first time. I called before I went so there was no wait time when I arrived. Nana and mamasan seemed to be the only two people there. So here's my review on Nana.

Looks: 5/10 She wasn't terrible but she wasn't great. I'd say she was in her early to mid 40's. Nothing to grab front or back.

Personality: 2/10 I might just be being harsh on this one but there was a serious language barrier. She doesn't speak or understand any English. On top of that she didn't smile once the entire visit, so there's that.

Massage: 7/10 Best part of the visit honestly, Nana is very good at getting pressure where you want it. The only complaint I have is that her nails were long and sharp as hell, so I have a few scratches in weird places now. I actually really got into the massage though, until mamasan started dropping a deuce one room over. Each plop I heard really made me question what the hell I'm doing with my life.

Extras: 2/10 I'll be honest, I probably could get more turned on pounding my peter to a video of a brick wall. It was so robotic I thought oil would start leaking from her cooter. Before we even got started she fully sprayed down my member with isopropyl alcohol. I was burning like hell as she was trying to get my stick to stand. The CBJ was lackluster and lasted for literally 10 seconds. Then cfs, which wasn't much better.

Price: 60 to house for hour, and I had to negotiate her down from 200 and ended up paying 160. Another thing I don't love is that she stopped the whole show (as terrible as it was) until she had the cabbage in her sweaty palms.

All in all, I won't be going back. I was happy to have something FS a little closer to hickory, but its just not worth it for me.

Good luck and happy mongering.[/QUOTE]Its pretty wild how experiences differ. A friend goes to 518 frequently and has from really bad service and really good.

He saw Nana last week and she was young, energetic and fun. She giggled a lot and spoke no English, but the friend is not there to talk about physics or world economics. Frond knows the fees for house ad FS and gives the attendant the correct donation before getting undressed so no entrapment and no guessing what he will be getting.

Friend said Nana gave a good massage for a FS AMP, then on the flip, she dropped all her clothes and really got into session. O while DATY and then stronger O while grinding on top.

Talent at 518 is hit or miss, but FS is guaranteed. Hope the buiding stays standing long enough for the good times to continue.

Reaching out to see if anybody has been by Top lately since the neighbors have moved in? Is it all green lights?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=ShreddedWeet11;6662121]Reaching out to see if anybody has been by Top lately since the neighbors have moved in? Is it all green lights?

Thanks![/QUOTE]I was under the impression that Top moved out due to the new neighbors.

[QUOTE=ShreddedWeet11;6662121]Reaching out to see if anybody has been by Top lately since the neighbors have moved in? Is it all green lights?

Thanks![/QUOTE]TOP is still a good spot, Apparently the folks next door only deal with prisoner transport. Its a green light for buisness as usual. Last week, I believe I even saw one of the employees that works there partake! LOL.

Not so sure about Top.

A Google search will no longer pull them up.

[QUOTE=Zeth210;6665001]TOP is still a good spot, Apparently the folks next door only deal with prisoner transport. Its a green light for buisness as usual. Last week, I believe I even saw one of the employees that works there partake! LOL.[/QUOTE]Top is not pulling up with a Google search. I'm thinking they may be gone.

[QUOTE=DrewSBlanks;6682100]Top is not pulling up with a Google search. I'm thinking they may be gone.[/QUOTE]All good. They're open.

Stopped at 518 today and pulled Lili (50 ish, fit, flirty. We had a good time. The massage was good and medium pressure. On flip we talked about HJ or CBJ, no offer of cfs. HJ was 60 CBJ was offered at 140. Took the HJ and really enjoyed it. Was able to touch under clothes, didn't try underneath the underwear. Tits are small but perky. Had a good time and will be back when I'm nearby.

Drove by top on my way out and their sign was flashing open. Police cruiser and transfer van were parked next door tho. Still a little risky for me.

Long time lurker, started partaking in the game around May. So details of my many visits are hit and miss. So just a brief rundown.

I've had about 5 visits at Top. All have been great with HE. I've tried for more but have been met with a decline. My last visit there was about 2 months ago. Really great massage ending in a HJ with prostate massage. Only thing that sketched was I could hear one of the dentino dudes next door LOL. This was a Saturday and they were suppose to be closed LOL.

I've had 3 visits with 518. First ended in full survive. Very lack luster though. She acted like I was huge and the over acting was making it weird. Second was CBJ. Really great. And the most recent was FS with same over acting. The 1st and 3rd visit were with the same woman.

Anyways getting this thing rolling with post. Would love to see this community in our area more active.

It has been a few months since I have been to Top, the new neighbors have made me pull back a bit from there. Rumor has it even the neighbors are partaking before they pick up a load of inmates. LOL. Been to Top myself a couple times with positive results on both visits. I have yet to try 518, although I do believe that is my next stop. I lucked out with FS at Top myself, it's good to know that FS is on the menu at 518. Anyone have any feedback on what's the crop like at 518? I would prefer younger, mixed woman with a sexy bod and perky tiddis.

Thanks and stay safe out there!

[QUOTE=Limelight69;6693761]Long time lurker, started partaking in the game around May. So details of my many visits are hit and miss. So just a brief rundown.

I've had about 5 visits at Top. All have been great with HE. I've tried for more but have been met with a decline. My last visit there was about 2 months ago. Really great massage ending in a HJ with prostate massage. Only thing that sketched was I could hear one of the dentino dudes next door LOL. This was a Saturday and they were suppose to be closed LOL.

I've had 3 visits with 518. First ended in full survive. Very lack luster though. She acted like I was huge and the over acting was making it weird. Second was CBJ. Really great. And the most recent was FS with same over acting. The 1st and 3rd visit were with the same woman.

Anyways getting this thing rolling with post. Would love to see this community in our area more active.[/QUOTE]

FYI. Nana is back (she spells it INnNn).

Got a message from her today. I am in another state, sadness.

Mixed reviews before but she treated me well during my only visit with her. Good massage and she worked hard during the fun parts. Definitely has a nice smile and giggles often. She genuinely seemed to enjoy herself. Cfs CBJ 69 cg mish ds ended in CBJ. Hell getting old.

She gets bonus points for thinking of me today. Normal fees apply. If I recall correctly 60 house plus $60 for extras.

Only issue I have had in the past with this place is other folks beating me there. Definitely a one monger only place. Vehicle parked move on, in sadness. Even tried calling that time and got the ok to come.

Have fun and stay safe!

[QUOTE=RedBird6969;6610533]Its pretty wild how experiences differ. A friend goes to 518 frequently and has from really bad service and really good.

He saw Nana last week and she was young, energetic and fun. She giggled a lot and spoke no English, but the friend is not there to talk about physics or world economics. Frond knows the fees for house ad FS and gives the attendant the correct donation before getting undressed so no entrapment and no guessing what he will be getting.

Friend said Nana gave a good massage for a FS AMP, then on the flip, she dropped all her clothes and really got into session. O while DATY and then stronger O while grinding on top.

Talent at 518 is hit or miss, but FS is guaranteed. Hope the buiding stays standing long enough for the good times to continue.[/QUOTE]

I was wondering if there's any kind of code word or something I can say. I've been to 518 & top more than once & never had anything extra. I have hinted but got nothing. Have I just been unlucky or what?

[QUOTE=FukNut;6700199]I was wondering if there's any kind of code word or something I can say. I've been to 518 & top more than once & never had anything extra. I have hinted but got nothing. Have I just been unlucky or what?[/QUOTE]Both times I've gone I just asked for "everything" with my wallet out, she normally will throw out a price, and then we haggle downwards until I'm comfortable with the price. Always worked for me.

[QUOTE=FukNut;6700199]I was wondering if there's any kind of code word or something I can say. I've been to 518 & top more than once & never had anything extra. I have hinted but got nothing. Have I just been unlucky or what?[/QUOTE]Sounds like horrible luck man. First time at top was told to roll over and immediately was asked if it was ok. Same at 518. Rolled over and was given a nod of approval and immediately offered HJ or BJ, asked for FS and got it.

[QUOTE=ShreddedWeet11;6694167]It has been a few months since I have been to Top, the new neighbors have made me pull back a bit from there. Rumor has it even the neighbors are partaking before they pick up a load of inmates. LOL. Been to Top myself a couple times with positive results on both visits. I have yet to try 518, although I do believe that is my next stop. I lucked out with FS at Top myself, it's good to know that FS is on the menu at 518. Anyone have any feedback on what's the crop like at 518? I would prefer younger, mixed woman with a sexy bod and perky tiddis.

Thanks and stay safe out there![/QUOTE]FS at Top? How? I've gone there for over a year and can never get more than a HJ. Working on what I'm doing wrong. I never push the envelope, so to speak as to what I want though my hands will wander, hinting at it.

[QUOTE=DrewSBlanks;6702581]FS at Top? How? I've gone there for over a year and can never get more than a HJ. Working on what I'm doing wrong. I never push the envelope, so to speak as to what I want though my hands will wander, hinting at it.[/QUOTE]No I lucked out getting FS at Top, I tried on my last visit and failed. I did however get a nice BBHJ and she took her top off and got to see the goods. Older lady, a great attitude, perky tiddis and nice bod from what I could see of her shirt lifted up. Was beyond horny and got to feel just about everywhere I wanted. On both of my visits, I started face down, got a very nice back massage which went down to the lower extremities, but I had to mention the extras, she was not going to bring it up unless I did. Negotiated with the HJ and was off to the races. Depends on the girl working I would think on if you have to mention what you want. Just be yourself and state what you want, and it can be negotiated. Also helps to go in there beyond horned up. Almost to the point of at man's chaos with the shivers that's how you will get the best experience.

[QUOTE=ShreddedWeet11;6703045]No I lucked out getting FS at Top, I tried on my last visit and failed. I did however get a nice BBHJ and she took her top off and got to see the goods. Older lady, a great attitude, perky tiddis and nice bod from what I could see of her shirt lifted up. Was beyond horny and got to feel just about everywhere I wanted. On both of my visits, I started face down, got a very nice back massage which went down to the lower extremities, but I had to mention the extras, she was not going to bring it up unless I did. Negotiated with the HJ and was off to the races. Depends on the girl working I would think on if you have to mention what you want. Just be yourself and state what you want, and it can be negotiated. Also helps to go in there beyond horned up. Almost to the point of at man's chaos with the shivers that's how you will get the best experience.[/QUOTE]What is a bbhj bare back hand job?

[QUOTE=TomyJonson1955;6703567]What is a bbhj bare back hand job?[/QUOTE]Yes, alcohol was also not used on the member at all, just warming lube which further enhanced the experience. Really miss the place but due to the neighbors, I have not been back at all. Too risky for me.

[QUOTE=DrewSBlanks;6702581]FS at Top? How? I've gone there for over a year and can never get more than a HJ. Working on what I'm doing wrong. I never push the envelope, so to speak as to what I want though my hands will wander, hinting at it.[/QUOTE]Every time I go to top I request FS. Girl always says "not allowed". Oh well the massage and tease are worth it to me. I can get FS elsewhere.