Vietnamese Bars

[QUOTE=Nightknight]Both women are Vietnamese. I have to admit that I was a naughty boy and got a HJ from both of them after purchasing two $40 drinks in the back booth. The woman I met on my first visit told me that she was in her 40's. I enjoyed the sensation of the HJ since it was of course bareback. This is why I went back for a second visit. I was hoping to get a repeat at a lower price.

Bareback definitely feels better than covered anything. However, anything bareback besides a HJ is very risky considering how many customers these women interact with. I don't fully understand why guys are willing to risk their lives just to have the additional pleasure that BB interaction provides. I understand that it feels a LOT better, but what about the risk of exchanging diseases or spreading it to future customers. Why don't we all play it safe when interacting with these hostesses. We can always look for a girlfriend to have BB activities with.

In the case of the second woman, I had to do some math. First she told me how long she had lived in Hawaii. Then I asked her how old she was when she first got here. She hesitated a while and then came up with an answer that would make her current age around 35. However, based on her hesitation, I have a feeling she was doing a little math of her own in order to make her current age come out to a more appealing number. She also initially hesitated when I asked her if she had any children. Then I believe that she admitted to having a daughter. At that point, I kind of teased her about not remembering if she had any children. Later after the HJ, she mentioned having a son of the same age that she had said her daughter was. She said that she wanted a tip because she was saving money for her son's future college expenses. So apparently, initially she couldn't remember that she had a child, and then later she forgot what her child's gender was. I guess that is what happens when you start making up stories. It gets hard to keep track of them. ...Why, I am starting to think that even the names these hostesses give out are fake. :-)

Some of these women are apparently very distrustful of men. One lady at another club whom I have gotten to know a little better told me that she tells most men that she lives in one area of the island when in fact she doesn't. It is hard to sift through the truth and lies, but often their body language or hesitation is a tip off. I mean, if you ask a woman if she has any children and it takes her 10 seconds to finally respond with an answer, you know that something is going on. On the other hand, if they have rehearsed their answers many times, it is much harder to spot dishonesty. One thing I really dislike is when a hostess calls you honey without meaning it. Maybe it is because they already forgot your name.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you got a HJ, for 2 drinks you should automatically expect it.Especially since you were at a place like Mistys. The reason the girls call you "honey" is probably because they can't remember your name. Too bad you can't remember these girls name, I gotta watch out for these 2 next time I go to Mistys! Take care!

[QUOTE=Nightknight]Lex,

I am not offended. I have been to a few AMPS, and yes, they are fun. I think that the fun in visiting a Vietnamese or Korean Bar is in the chase. Also, the uncertain outcome can make things more interesting. Have you ever had a woman who was throwing herself at you to the point that you weren't interested. There wasn't any challenge in it. Spending time with a hostess is a challenge to a certain degree. You are trying to see what kind of relationship you can create with the least expense. It can get expensive, but you sometimes meet women who want to spend time with you outside of the club. It is always nice to find a woman who wants your company without your having to pay for it. This means that the woman at least on a certain level likes you for you. Also, many of these hostesses have less mileage on them than AMP women. I also like to chat with strippers to see what kind of relationship I can develop with them. It is akin to what I think you referred to in another post as treating the provider as a human being.

I don't really enjoy being with a woman who doesn't even trust me enough to tell me her real name. If I am interested in a hostess/stripper/provider, I will see if she will entrust me with her name. That means that I have established enough rapport with her so that they feel comfortable enough to share with me an important part of who they really are. Many of these women won't do that but some will. I like to call them by their real names and break past the artificial image that they have created. At the same time, I would never reveal their real name without their permission. If I ever did refer to them by name on this forum, I would use their stage name.

On the other hand, many guys who patronize these various places enjoy the illusion. They like the fantasy. They don't want to know the real woman. Different people are seeking different things. I like trying to establish real connections with people. Plus, it is good practice as I work on finding a girlfriend.

By the way, thanks for the history lesson. It was interesting. How long more are you going to be in town?

NightKnight[/QUOTE]NightKnight,

i was much like you. you mentioned relationship many times is your post. I thought that I, playing my cards right, would find a nice girl in hostess bar and live happily ever after. You talk about the chase. What chase? you are their prey and a sucker to think you have any control.

I don't mean to sound so harsh, but i see the vb world clearer now and just want to help a fellow victim out. You are living in a world where all you have is hope--false hope.

This is the sex industry! Why are you looking for a gf that works in the sex trade?

NightKnight,

Thanks for your post and I am glad you for one did not take offense. I am also happy that you enjoyed the history. I also learned from your post. I was not aware about the thrill which you get from the unexpected and the chase aspect of it all.

However in the end, I do feel that you may be getting ripped off in these places. Having said that, I must admit that I have been foolish too. I have made the mistake of getting too close to some of these massage parlor girls. Some of them are very seductive. But the sad truth is that they are little more that prostitutes. Any one of these girls (whether from an AMP or from a SC, bar, or whatever) will always have in the back of her mind that between her legs hangs a tool that can be used to generate a lot of cash. So even if you do develop a relationship with her, when the two of you have the inevitable lover's quarrel, she's going to say "to hell with that guy. I don't have to put up with his crap."

She knows she can go out and achieve independence by seducing men. So she has no incentive to work things out with you as a normal girlfriend would. So you can never have a real relationship with one of these women. At most, you can have the fantasy of a relationship.

Just the thoughts of a guy who has been around for a while and made the same mistakes that many other guys will make.

In answer to your question, I'm writing this from the comfort of my home. I left HI on Tuesday and arrived here Wednesday. I leave for the frozen North tomorrow. However I'll probably be back in HI within three months or so.

LexLuther

[QUOTE=LexLuther]Any one of these girls (whether from an AMP or from a SC, bar, or whatever) will always have in the back of her mind that between her legs hangs a tool that can be used to generate a lot of cash. So even if you do develop a relationship with her, when the two of you have the inevitable lover's quarrel, she's going to say "to hell with that guy. I don't have to put up with his crap."

She knows she can go out and achieve independence by seducing men. So she has no incentive to work things out with you as a normal girlfriend would. So you can never have a real relationship with one of these women. At most, you can have the fantasy of a relationship.

Just the thoughts of a guy who has been around for a while and made the same mistakes that many other guys will make.


LexLuther[/QUOTE]

And of course there are the exceptions--the girls are human after all. There are the ones that have become embittered and will not need a man except to use them for money or sex or to work out their wierd trips. There are the ones who who still have hope, and will be open to a relationship if they meet the right man. To ignore the latter reality is to miss out in the best of what the VBs and KBs (moreso than VBs) have to offer.

About real names: How do you know its not another fake name? Also, girls will often reveal all kinds of private info to good customers. The better to milk them for more money because in their line of work, a little bit of intimacy will go a long way. If one wants to connect to a bar-girl, it would be helpful to be cognizant of the corrupting influence of the environment, but at the same time keeping an open mind to reality that "Une femme est une femme".

As promised my report for 9/16/05. Stopped by at around 10:45 and was surprised to see how crowded it was. I had no idea it was going to be this bad! Kinda felt like a sausagefest,because the guys out numbered the girls.I was standing up the whole time I was there,there didn't seem to be anyplace to sit down. Lots of hot looking girls, even better was that they were wearing negligee! Saw the girl I normally sit with was crowded so I could'nt sit with her. What a bummer,she looked way hot and seemed to be kind of frisky! She cornered my and asked me if I wanted her or her friend, told her I wanted her;but there was no place to sit so I told her I would visit her at the other bar she works at.Damn,she looked good!

On my way back to my car on saturday morning passed by 777. Was going to take a peek inside,but place was closed. Did the go out of business? If they did it must have been from competition from Romantei and Club Asia.

Who are the hottest Vietnamese girls out there?

[QUOTE=Jack Mehoff]On my way back to my car on saturday morning passed by 777. Was going to take a peek inside,but place was closed. Did the go out of business? If they did it must have been from competition from Romantei and Club Asia.[/QUOTE]That could contribute to 777's problems. Maybe about 2 months ago, 777 had a run-in with the liquor commission and lost it's liquor license (can anyone confirm this rumor?). Not sure what impact that had on their business.

[QUOTE=Taylorus]Who are the hottest Vietnamese girls out there?[/QUOTE]The sisters, Thi & Tina, at romantei have to be on that short list. for me, they are the hottest, hands down.

[QUOTE=Taylorus]Who are the hottest Vietnamese girls out there? [/QUOTE]Taylor,

Depends on what you mean by hot. True the 2 sisters are gorgeous, but if you are looking for extra special treatment, not sure if they do a lot of playing. There are so many other hot girls there. Nancy and her sister angela, jayda seems to be popular, helen and vi. take your pick. And bring your wallet, you'll need it.

Lex, you are probably right, we are getting ripped off going to these viet bars and dropping money with no guarantee. But then again, I don't feel like going to the mp's and being number 10 on the girls list for the day. Something about going to town with daty on a girl that just had fs with another guy, I would probably puke if I smelled even the hit of rubber if I went down on the girl (I know, that shouldn't happen, but us guys that haven't tried the mp scene yet don't know any better and are unsure about trying it). Also, with a girl from the bar, at least I know that I wasn't number 10 on her list for the day. Maybe number 2 or 3 if any, but if I go early enough with her to the rooms I could be her first of the night (no guarantees that she wasn't working earlier freelance either though).

The chase is what some of us enjoy too, plus the closeness that we can get from the girl, unlike a mp where it's wham bam, thank you ma'am, you're hour is up, NEXT! for some of us guys, it isn't just the sex, its the overall package. And you're right, it's just an act too or a con and we fall for it every time. but it made us feel good for a period of time.

Sorry, but that is just MHO. and I guess everybody has a different take on the mp/kb scene.

[QUOTE=Member 69]

Lex, you are probably right, we are getting ripped off going to these viet bars and dropping money with no guarantee. But then again, I don't feel like going to the mp's and being number 10 on the girls list for the day. Something about going to town with daty on a girl that just had fs with another guy, I would probably puke if I smelled even the hit of rubber if I went down on the girl (I know, that shouldn't happen, but us guys that haven't tried the mp scene yet don't know any better and are unsure about trying it). Also, with a girl from the bar, at least I know that I wasn't number 10 on her list for the day. Maybe number 2 or 3 if any, but if I go early enough with her to the rooms I could be her first of the night (no guarantees that she wasn't working earlier freelance either though).

The chase is what some of us enjoy too, plus the closeness that we can get from the girl, unlike a mp where it's wham bam, thank you ma'am, you're hour is up, NEXT! for some of us guys, it isn't just the sex, its the overall package. And you're right, it's just an act too or a con and we fall for it every time. but it made us feel good for a period of time.

Sorry, but that is just MHO. and I guess everybody has a different take on the mp/kb scene.[/QUOTE]

What's the difference if you are #2 or #10 when you DATY these chicks? I'm not advocating AMPs over VBs over MPs, but I can say that bodies do come into close contact during the act of sex, and there [B][I]ARE[/I][/B] shower facilities at AMPs, and the girls there [B][I]DO[/I][/B] use them.

Stopped by this morning after work, place was packed. Whats up with all these people flooding all the VBs ? Saw my regular sitting with someone, waited for a little while until she saw me. At first I thought she was going to sit with someone else,so I decided to leave. Was outside when she followed me and asked where I was going. Thought I was crazy, because I said I was going to buy her a drink and then just left. We went back inside and bought her a drink. Everytime I see her I kind of get more and more attracted to her. So I try and see if she feels the same way. We make out ,she shows me her boobs, rubs her hands all over my body and licks and tongues my ear! She guides me hand up her skirt, I dunno if she wants me to finger her is she just teasing. Decide against trying to grab her puss. She asks me why I didn't,I told her was afraid she was going to scream and slap me. She laughs and tells me every customer tries to cop a feel, but she only lets me do it willingly.I tell her I really like her and she tells me she likes me too. But I think its only if I come and spend money on her. Why, she kept on asking me to buy her drinks and told me she wanted to go to Vegas. I asked her if she was going to pay her own way and she told me I was going to pay for her. That kind of did it for me, I thought that this girl was different. But shes just another VB girl who got corrupted by her job. I dunno if I want to see her anymore, I do enjoy the things she does when I sit with her. But I guess what some other people wrote in some of the other posts about VBs are very true. I just didn't think this girl was like that. Hope I don't get slammed or ripped by anyone. Even though I know I probably will! Take care people.

[QUOTE=Member 69]...then again, I don't feel like going to the mp's and being number 10 on the girls list for the day. Something about going to town with daty on a girl that just had fs with another guy, I would probably puke if I smelled even the hit of rubber if I went down on the girl (I know, that shouldn't happen, but us guys that haven't tried the mp scene yet don't know any better and are unsure about trying it). Also, with a girl from the bar, at least I know that I wasn't number 10 on her list for the day. Maybe number 2 or 3 if any, but if I go early enough with her to the rooms I could be her first of the night (no guarantees that she wasn't working earlier freelance either though).

The chase is what some of us enjoy too, plus the closeness that we can get from the girl, unlike a mp where it's wham bam, thank you ma'am, you're hour is up, NEXT! for some of us guys, it isn't just the sex, its the overall package.

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69,

Don't knock it (AMPs) until you've tried it. Almost all the amp girls use condoms and wash up after which is more than I can say about the bar girls. They don't even have showers at the bars, and some of the girls bareback customers. Number 20 on a clean nani is 20 times better than being number 2 on an unwashed cum repository.

As for the overall package, what is it without sex. I will tell you what that is. It's blue balls and an empty wallet. What kind of chase happens when the money runs out? I don't know about you, but I can get a whole lot closer (figuratively and literally) to a girl having sex with the same amount of money than without having sex.

This is just my opinion also, but I feel strongly about this. I hate when guys spend all their money and think they have a girlfriend (sometimes not even getting sex from them when they are just chasing) when a high roller with serious bank can steal the girl away whenever they want. At least in the AMPs when you're getting f#@ked, you're getting f#@ked too. This is not meant to flame, but I love to debate this topic.

2650

[QUOTE=Member #2650]69,

Don't knock it (AMPs) until you've tried it. Almost all the amp girls use condoms and wash up after which is more than I can say about the bar girls. They don't even have showers at the bars, and some of the girls bareback customers. Number 20 on a clean nani is 20 times better than being number 2 on an unwashed cum repository.

As for the overall package, what is it without sex. I will tell you what that is. It's blue balls and an empty wallet. What kind of chase happens when the money runs out? I don't know about you, but I can get a whole lot closer (figuratively and literally) to a girl having sex with the same amount of money than without having sex.

This is just my opinion also, but I feel strongly about this. I hate when guys spend all their money and think they have a girlfriend (sometimes not even getting sex from them when they are just chasing) when a high roller with serious bank can steal the girl away whenever they want. At least in the AMPs when you're getting f#atked, you're getting f#atked too. This is not meant to flame, but I love to debate this topic.

2650[/QUOTE]You're right 2650, I haven't tried it here yet. My only experience was going to nyer a few years ago, I was at napa valley walking out and the ny mama tried to drag me over to nyer. I looked in the place, had about 5 guys sitting on the couch and I said that I was out of there and never went back to any of those places.

I say number 2 or more on a girl because I don't know if I was or not. I would say that I was no 1 on a lot of the girls. I also get HJ's and BJ's in the booths at many of the places (cache, mistys, old 777, etc), it is kind of fun with all the action going on to have the girl play with you while talking. Many of those I only end up spending. 6 to get a hjtc or BJ.

a lot of us like the gfe with a girl, you're right the next big spender will take her away, but like I said, I just don't like the appeal of being number 20 on her list of the day. that's jmho. one day I will try it again.

My only experience with a "mp" type of experience was at a ***** house in pahrump, near lv. sounds like the same things like at an mp. but I felt was kind of like a factory, the act was very mechanical and like the lady at the register at the grocery store, I was just one on her list before the next ones.

I'm not knocking you guys, to each his own as to what he does, guess I like to play at the kb's than try the mp's. you're right, it is probably cheaper, safer, better with a pro, to go to the mp's. Maybe one day soon.

Oh yeah, with the kb girl, many times get a good gfe with her. Yeah, yeah, I know it ain't real and the minute I don't flash the cash she is gone, unless she finds someone better.

But with the kb girl I get to go out with her, have fs at her place or my place whenever we want, go to the movies, beaches, even walk around waikiki at night on her days off and check out the hookers on the streets. Or have her in a horny mood from work and calling me up wanting to come over to my place after she is done for a little fun.

guess some of you guys are young, sex is everything, but to me, a good gfe with a girl is good too, just cuddling with her at the kb giving me a hj in the booth and laughing when I splurt and then we gotta clean up on the sly is a lot of fun to me.

but everybody is different and want different things, jmho. you're right, it's great to get your pipes cleaned up regularly too.