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[QUOTE=Budd2;4877091]Wear the mask, don't wear the mask. Wear gloves, don't wear gloves. Don't pick your nose, pick your nose. Nobody knows. Take my advice; just relax, don't stress out, don't watch the news. Wear a mask in indoor public places, wash your hands and DON'T FREAK OUT! Go on with your life and be happy.[/QUOTE]This is good advice, particularly the mask part. Unfortunately for many, it's too hard to wear a mask because "MUH FREEDOM. " The irony of it all is absolutely incredible.

[QUOTE=BumLick1;4877837]Imagine someone actually believing that a known fraud, draft dodger and failed businessman was actually "the best. ".

And people wonder why the GOP wants to defund the Dept of Education.[/QUOTE]If he is a failure, then I'd like to fail even half well as he has.

He has accomplished an amazing number of things in spite of having almost all of the mainstream media against him, and the democrats wasting three years of falsely accusing him of a ridiculous list of things which they concocted and spread, knowing they were false.

He has built hundreds of miles of border wall. He revamped the tax code, which was a factor in making the US economy grow at a historically fast pace, resulting in millions of jobs added. African American unemployment reached record lows. He has appointed many conservative judges. He defeated the head of ISIS. He has renegotiated the unfavorable NAFTA treaty. Withdrew from the unfavorable TPP.

He is standing up to China, a country with horrible human rights abuses. He cleared roadblocks for the Keystone XL pipeline. US oil production has achieved its highest level in American history. Imposed new sanctions on Iran. Held historic summits with North Korea. Banned Chinese apps which were spying on US citizens, and banned sales of US Technology to Chinese firms which were using them for military purposes.

He established a national council for retraining American workers, and authorization more than $1 Billion dollars for that purpose. He has many more accomplishments that I won't bother to list, because clearly he has been very effective in spite of having no support from the democrats. You may not agree with his policies, but you can't say he hasn't been effective in implementing those of his supporters.

[QUOTE=BumLick1;4876297]Got to comment on this because this is a false equivalence. People are going to die anyways from heart disease and it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. And a little bit crazy to think that you think that up to a 3% death rate is no big deal; that's over 9 million deaths. And of those cured, many more that are going to have permanent complications from Covid. Most of whom will be working age-adults. Want to talk about long-term economic ramifications? Consider millions who can't afford medical care who all of a sudden will need it for the rest of their lives.

Again, downplay it if you want if the rules are too hard for you to follow, but chill with the terrible information. You're not a professional.[/QUOTE]
Okay, normally I won't get into the off topic discussions but I had to wade into this one. Sir your 3% fatality rate is a farce. I am medical professional (MD Internal Medicine as well) and I can tell you that as of this posting the CDC reported fatality rate is .65% not the 3% you erroneously reference and then extrapolate a potential death count from above. I'm not even going to list the numerous statistical flaws in the methodology you used to throw out that bogus number. Please leave the propagandizing to the media and the politicians. Now I know it is fun to blame someone for this BS but let's be honest. Did you really expect our government or any government to respond effectively to this crisis? If your reply is yes then I'm sorry for you, but I have to break the news to you. Government can't solve all your problems. However, the huge sums of money they have thrown at us in the hospital is nice isn't it? Now if you want to heap blame on the president (who is an easy target) that's your prerogative but again let's be honest, the data the President had to make decisions from was flawed and limited at best in the beginning. He acted on the advice he received from our healthcare professional colleagues in the government (the precious Dr. Fauci included, who initially came out against masks). Close the borders open the borders it didn't matter what we did in an economy our size this thing was coming to our shores eventually. That didn't matter though because the criticism came for closing the borders then after it became obvious that it was the right call the criticism became that we didn't respond quickly enough. Give me a break! The stated goal was to flatten the curve and prevent the healthcare system from being overwhelmed. I was doing rounds this morning in the ER and it looked relatively calm to me. Not sure what your experience is but from my chair we have flattened the curve -mission accomplished. Now if you want to talk about where the politicians have moved the goalposts to then tell me what is the stated goal? To prevent further death? -well we both know that isn't an option. Let's be honest here about the topic and not spin it to fit a political agenda which is the most odious thing I think anyone could do regarding this situation. As a nation we have to come together and show each other some grace regarding the extraordinary situations we are facing. Throwing shade in a smug cavalier manner will not help anyone.

[QUOTE=FredDaw9;4878286] Did you really expect our government or any government to respond effectively to this crisis? [/QUOTE]Korea, Germany, Japan. Basically all of the EU, actually. You know, developed nations with competent leadership. Hell even China has done better.

Also, LOL at the myth of that windfall of money. Appreciate you exposing yourself as a fraud. Us physicians actually sit and laugh at that nonsense of, "let's label it as a covid death so we get more money. ".

Next time you want to pretend, don't use fox news talking points to guide you.

[QUOTE=FredDaw9;4878286]Okay, normally I won't get into the off topic discussions but I had to wade into this one. Sir your 3% fatality rate is a farce. I am medical professional (MD Internal Medicine as well) and I can tell you that as of this posting the CDC reported fatality rate is .65% not the 3% you erroneously reference and then extrapolate a potential death count from above. I'm not even going to list the numerous statistical flaws in the methodology you used to throw out that bogus number. Please leave the propagandizing to the media and the politicians. Now I know it is fun to blame someone for this BS but let's be honest. Did you really expect our government or any government to respond effectively to this crisis? If your reply is yes then I'm sorry for you, but I have to break the news to you. Government can't solve all your problems. However, the huge sums of money they have thrown at us in the hospital is nice isn't it? Now if you want to heap blame on the president (who is an easy target) that's your prerogative but again let's be honest, the data the President had to make decisions from was flawed and limited at best in the beginning. He acted on the advice he received from our healthcare professional colleagues in the government (the precious Dr. Fauci included, who initially came out against masks). Close the borders open the borders it didn't matter what we did in an economy our size this thing was coming to our shores eventually. That didn't matter though because the criticism came for closing the borders then after it became obvious that it was the right call the criticism became that we didn't respond quickly enough. Give me a break! The stated goal was to flatten the curve and prevent the healthcare system from being overwhelmed. I was doing rounds this morning in the ER and it looked relatively calm to me. Not sure what your experience is but from my chair we have flattened the curve -mission accomplished. Now if you want to talk about where the politicians have moved the goalposts to then tell me what is the stated goal? To prevent further death? -well we both know that isn't an option..[/QUOTE]Hi,

So as an Internal Medicine Physicians- let me ask you a questions about sexual encounters. This is a site for hobbyist like myself. Many of who are married as well. Like myself, and we enjoy meeting with Providers and / or going to AMP (Warren and Austintown have the best). Since COVID many of us have stopped. Period. However. Four months into this thing and many of us are going crazy without any action. In you opinion. Is there any way to get back into this safely? What about oral sex. Can you get it COVID if you are getting a BB BJ? What about going down on a woman. Can you get it this way? Appreciate your input. No one is holding you responsible for any info you share. It's strictly "off the record" - thanks much.

[QUOTE=BumLick1;4878483]Korea, Germany, Japan. Basically all of the EU, actually. You know, developed nations with competent leadership. Hell even China has done better.

Also, LOL at the myth of that windfall of money. Appreciate you exposing yourself as a fraud. Us physicians actually sit and laugh at that nonsense of, "let's label it as a covid death so we get more money. ".

Next time you want to pretend, don't use fox news talking points to guide you.[/QUOTE]Actually Captain Dr. Informed, as you know or should know if you are who you claim to be, we are being reimbursed $19,000 per covid case via Medicare and $39,000 if a ventilator is involved. Given the costs involved (which aren't out of the ordinary) this seems to be a nice payday. Also not sure what hospitals you are working out of but I know for a fact that ours has been granted a seven figure grant from CMS related to COVID in addition to being eligible for PPP loans. In regard to your comment about the other nations doing better than us I call BS BS BS! First, they aren't testing as widely as we are to my knowledge. A colleague I spoke with yesterday, who is an infectious disease expert in Riga, Latvia told me that their government estimate is that they have tested less than 25% of the likely cases due to lack of reagent. He said it is like this all across the EU (mind you this is coming from a source on the ground over there -where are you getting your hot air?). Finally if you believe that all governments are reporting true and accurate numbers (China) then I have a bridge for you to buy. Also as a doctor you have been asked to sign off on death certificates correct? Tell me does anything strike you as strange about the heavy thumb on the scale in favor of declaring a death due to this thing? I get it -more infections and more deaths equal more funding, but this is just plain wrong. I know it has made me angry because I have been forced to contribute to a number that is artificially inflated, which is giving a false impression of the actual situation on the ground here. I'm glad you and your buddies are laughing at it as if it isn't occurring because if you are who you claim to be you know damn well it is. Also if you will recall back to basic statistics (which I presume you took in undergrad -you did go to college to become a MD right?) when you increase the sample size you should expect the positive case number to rise as well, you have to put it into a context that makes for an accurate comparison. Since you decided to bloviate on this topic, I'll indulge you with some numbers to chew on -your buddies at the EU have higher COVID fatalities per 1 million population than we here in the Unites States do. The US confirmed case fatality rate as of today is 3.95%, Germany 4.56%, Japan 4.49%, China 5.54%, actually the only one you list with a better confirmed case fatality rate is South Korea at 2. 14%(but please remember they closed their borders early and absolutely -something that was unpopular in the US), also please note these are the confirmed case fatality numbers which are different from the CDC .65% overall fatality number. Korea and Japan. Do I think they have controlled it better, sure -because they have more control over their populations given that they enjoy fewer freedoms than our Constitution guarantees our citizens or their culture confers more respect for authority than ours has to their Governments. The bottom line is that no government can stop this thing, only the people can though through the choices they make. Perhaps if more people trusted the Government they would be more willing to take its guidance as gospel. However since the government has consistently used it size and power to spy on its citizens, attempt to strip away the liberties guaranteed them, and even weaponize its intelligence apparatus against itself (party vs. party) are you at all surprised that it lacks the moral authority to convince the majority of the people that it is telling us the truth this time? We will continue to have these polarization issues as long as we give our political support to the guys on the fringes, what ever happened to governing from the middle? I'll tell you in case you don't know -the extremists bullied the members of their parties until they towed the party line so to speak and then they made enough noise that said party's leadership (both sides) started choosing people who appealed to their fringes and starting calling the fringe elements the base. They are not -they are far outnumbered by the people in the middle, it's high time we stopped acting in such a partisan manner and respected the other side's viewpoint. There are more things we agree on and could move forward instead of stagnating while we draw a line in the sand trying to get some fringe element's pet policies enacted. Most of us don't care about the buzz issues that much, we care about the issues that actually touch our lives. Take another long swig of the cool aide then go ahead and ramble back some irrelevant opinions to me that you present completely devoid of facts and supporting evidence. But since I am sensing you are just looking for an argument and apparently have a need to seem right in front of an audience of strangers, I'm sure you will come back with some other form of skulduggery. Oh and as an aside -I don't watch faux news and none of my points were lifted from or verified there. I actually do my research to find out what is true as opposed to taking the words from some talking heads mouth as gospel. I know its tough but sometimes the truth hurts.

[QUOTE=Steven693;4878695]Hi,

So as an Internal Medicine Physicians- let me ask you a questions about sexual encounters. This is a site for hobbyist like myself. Many of who are married as well. Like myself, and we enjoy meeting with Providers and / or going to AMP (Warren and Austintown have the best). Since COVID many of us have stopped. Period. However. Four months into this thing and many of us are going crazy without any action. In you opinion. Is there any way to get back into this safely? What about oral sex. Can you get it COVID if you are getting a BB BJ? What about going down on a woman. Can you get it this way? Appreciate your input. No one is holding you responsible for any info you share. It's strictly "off the record" - thanks much.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry to say there is no 100% safe way to enjoy the hobby with COVID (although as you know there is no 100% safe way to enjoy the hobby period). All I can tell you is that the best you can do right now is abstain if your worried about your health (underlying conditions or not). Even the 6 foot social distancing is really a farce as studies have proven the droplets have spread as far as 24 feet in the enclosed cabin of a jet liner. Masks are primarily worn to prevent you from spreading it to others when you are out, but this isn't really effective either. It sucks but right now its really a crap shoot, best advise is stay away from gatherings.

[QUOTE=FredDaw9;4878820]Actually Captain Dr. Informed, as you know or should know if you are who you claim to be, we are being reimbursed $19,000 per covid case via Medicare and $39,000 if a ventilator is involved. Given the costs involved (which aren't out of the ordinary) this seems to be a nice payday. Also not sure what hospitals you are working out of but I know for a fact that ours has been granted a seven figure grant from CMS related to COVID in addition to being eligible for PPP loans. In regard to your comment about the other nations doing better than us I call BS BS BS! First, they aren't testing as widely as we are to my knowledge. A colleague I spoke with yesterday, who is an infectious disease expert in Riga, Latvia told me that their government estimate is that they have tested less than 25% of the likely cases due to lack of reagent. He said it is like this all across the EU (mind you this is coming from a source on the ground over there -where are you getting your hot air?). Finally if you believe that all governments are reporting true and accurate numbers (China) then I have a bridge for you to buy. Also as a doctor you have been asked to sign off on death certificates correct? Tell me does anything strike you as strange about the heavy thumb on the scale in favor of declaring a death due to this thing? I get it -more infections and more deaths equal more funding, but this is just plain wrong. I know it has made me angry because I have been forced to contribute to a number that is artificially inflated, which is giving a false impression of the actual situation on the ground here. I'm glad you and your buddies are laughing at it as if it isn't occurring because if you are who you claim to be you know damn well it is. Also if you will recall back to basic statistics (which I presume you took in undergrad -you did go to college to become a MD right?) when you increase the sample size you should expect the positive case number to rise as well, you have to put it into a context that makes for an accurate comparison. Since you decided to bloviate on this topic, I'll indulge you with some numbers to chew on -your buddies at the EU have higher COVID fatalities per 1 million population than we here in the Unites States do. The US confirmed case fatality rate as of today is 3.95%, Germany 4.56%, Japan 4.49%, China 5.54%, actually the only one you list with a better confirmed case fatality rate is South Korea at 2. 14%(but please remember they closed their borders early and absolutely -something that was unpopular in the US), also please note these are the confirmed case fatality numbers which are different from the CDC .65% overall fatality number. Korea and Japan. Do I think they have controlled it better, sure -because they have more control over their populations given that they enjoy fewer freedoms than our Constitution guarantees our citizens or their culture confers more respect for authority than ours has to their Governments. The bottom line is that no government can stop this thing, only the people can though through the choices they make. Perhaps if more people trusted the Government they would be more willing to take its guidance as gospel. However since the government has consistently used it size and power to spy on its citizens, attempt to strip away the liberties guaranteed them, and even weaponize its intelligence apparatus against itself (party vs. party) are you at all surprised that it lacks the moral authority to convince the majority of the people that it is telling us the truth this time? We will continue to have these polarization issues as long as we give our political support to the guys on the fringes, what ever happened to governing from the middle? I'll tell you in case you don't know -the extremists bullied the members of their parties until they towed the party line so to speak and then they made enough noise that said party's leadership (both sides) started choosing people who appealed to their fringes and starting calling the fringe elements the base. They are not -they are far outnumbered by the people in the middle, it's high time we stopped acting in such a partisan manner and respected the other side's viewpoint. There are more things we agree on and could move forward instead of stagnating while we draw a line in the sand trying to get some fringe element's pet policies enacted. Most of us don't care about the buzz issues that much, we care about the issues that actually touch our lives. Take another long swig of the cool aide then go ahead and ramble back some irrelevant opinions to me that you present completely devoid of facts and supporting evidence. But since I am sensing you are just looking for an argument and apparently have a need to seem right in front of an audience of strangers, I'm sure you will come back with some other form of skulduggery. Oh and as an aside -I don't watch faux news and none of my points were lifted from or verified there. I actually do my research to find out what is true as opposed to taking the words from some talking heads mouth as gospel. I know its tough but sometimes the truth hurts.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting your intelligent response!

[QUOTE=FredDaw9;4878820]Actually Captain Dr. Informed, as you know or should know if you are who you claim to be, we are being reimbursed $19,000 per covid case via Medicare and $39,000 if a ventilator is involved. Given the costs involved (which aren't out of the ordinary) this seems to be a nice payday. Also not sure what hospitals you are working out of but I know for a fact that ours has been granted a seven figure grant from CMS related to COVID in addition to being eligible for PPP loans. In regard to your comment about the other nations doing better than us I call BS BS BS! First, they aren't testing as widely as we are to my knowledge. A colleague I spoke with yesterday, who is an infectious disease expert in Riga, Latvia told me that their government estimate is that they have tested less than 25% of the likely cases due to lack of reagent. He said it is like this all across the EU (mind you this is coming from a source on the ground over there -where are you getting your hot air?). Finally if you believe that all governments are reporting true and accurate numbers (China) then I have a bridge for you to buy. Also as a doctor you have been asked to sign off on death certificates correct? Tell me does anything strike you as strange about the heavy thumb on the scale in favor of declaring a death due to this thing? I get it -more infections and more deaths equal more funding, but this is just plain wrong. I know it has made me angry because I have been forced to contribute to a number that is artificially inflated, which is giving a false impression of the actual situation on the ground here. I'm glad you and your buddies are laughing at it as if it isn't occurring because if you are who you claim to be you know damn well it is. Also if you will recall back to basic statistics (which I presume you took in undergrad -you did go to college to become a MD right?) when you increase the sample size you should expect the positive case number to rise as well, you have to put it into a context that makes for an accurate comparison. Since you decided to bloviate on this topic, I'll indulge you with some numbers to chew on -your buddies at the EU have higher COVID fatalities per 1 million population than we here in the Unites States do. The US confirmed case fatality rate as of today is 3.95%, Germany 4.56%, Japan 4.49%, China 5.54%, actually the only one you list with a better confirmed case fatality rate is South Korea at 2. 14%(but please remember they closed their borders early and absolutely -something that was unpopular in the US), also please note these are the confirmed case fatality numbers which are different from the CDC .65% overall fatality number. Korea and Japan. Do I think they have controlled it better, sure -because they have more control over their populations given that they enjoy fewer freedoms than our Constitution guarantees our citizens or their culture confers more respect for authority than ours has to their Governments. The bottom line is that no government can stop this thing, only the people can though through the choices they make. Perhaps if more people trusted the Government they would be more willing to take its guidance as gospel. However since the government has consistently used it size and power to spy on its citizens, attempt to strip away the liberties guaranteed them, and even weaponize its intelligence apparatus against itself (party vs. party) are you at all surprised that it lacks the moral authority to convince the majority of the people that it is telling us the truth this time? We will continue to have these polarization issues as long as we give our political support to the guys on the fringes, what ever happened to governing from the middle? I'll tell you in case you don't know -the extremists bullied the members of their parties until they towed the party line so to speak and then they made enough noise that said party's leadership (both sides) started choosing people who appealed to their fringes and starting calling the fringe elements the base. They are not -they are far outnumbered by the people in the middle, it's high time we stopped acting in such a partisan manner and respected the other side's viewpoint. There are more things we agree on and could move forward instead of stagnating while we draw a line in the sand trying to get some fringe element's pet policies enacted. Most of us don't care about the buzz issues that much, we care about the issues that actually touch our lives. Take another long swig of the cool aide then go ahead and ramble back some irrelevant opinions to me that you present completely devoid of facts and supporting evidence. But since I am sensing you are just looking for an argument and apparently have a need to seem right in front of an audience of strangers, I'm sure you will come back with some other form of skulduggery. Oh and as an aside -I don't watch faux news and none of my points were lifted from or verified there. I actually do my research to find out what is true as opposed to taking the words from some talking heads mouth as gospel. I know its tough but sometimes the truth hurts.[/QUOTE]Let me first say in general I agree with you. Please site sources for your numbers. For example, go here:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html[/URL]

As of today the data was compiled and updated July 10th for the week ending July 4th. Why was it compiled on the 10th for stuff that happened up to the 4th? There is an entire section explaining how cities, counties, and states report the data in a standard timely manner. Go here:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/covid-19.htm#understanding-the-numbers[/URL]

Basically some places are faster or slower than others reporting data.

Figures lie and liars figure. Direct quote from the above website.

"Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 6. 9% during week 26 to 5. 5% during week 27, representing the eleventh consecutive week during which a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC has been recorded. The percentage is currently below the epidemic threshold but will likely change as additional death certificates for deaths during recent weeks are processed. " I don't see your 3. 9% number?

To me the way I figure it (that makes me a liar) it doesn't matter that pneumonia & influenza are grouped in with the numbers. The overall trend for 11 weeks is that less people were dying that had some concoction of the disease up to July 4th. My guess is the next two reports will show the death rate skyrocket again because all the non mask wearing, knuckle dragging, uneducated radical Trump supporters going to the rallies, going to the beaches, barbecuing with family and possibly friends, shooting off fireworks in their hood, confronting peaceful masked protesters, etc.

It is totally amazing all the negative publicity. The top story is always the total number of infections (and it's going up) and the total number of deaths (and it's going up)! Yeah, so what? If 6. 9% of the people died in week 26 what happened to the remaining 93.1% of the people? And if 5. 5% of the people died in week 27 what happened to the remaining 94.5% of the people? Why not report the exciting news about the 93.1% and 94.5%?

I have yet to read a comprehensive explanation on other countries and how they report their data as compared to the USA. Can anyone direct me to the respective government websites for the EU, Germany, Japan, China, South Korea? Oh yeah, Johns Hopkins corona site. Yeah, they state "the Hopkins team synthesizes data from WHO and four additional sources: CDC, European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, China's National Health Commission, and ncov. Dxy. Cn, an independent data source maintained by Chinese physicians. " Been there, done that. No matter how you slice and dice it even in the "worst" reporting country (Yemen with a 28.3% death rate) 71.7% are left over from the reported death rates.

[URL]https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality[/URL]

And again I ask why isn't someone reporting on that remaining 71.7%? What is happening to those 71.7%? I mean that 71.7% is way more than the 28.3% that are dying. The more I write and think about this the more scared I get. No one is talking about the big percentage number left over, it must be bad, really bad, really, really bad. You should be shitting in your pants because here in the USA that number is 94.5% as of July 10th. That's a way bigger number than Yemen. No one is telling us about it. I'm sure it's Trump holding the media hostage so they won't tell us the real truth. This is why I don't fly. They only show the crashes but they never mention what happens to all the planes that don't crash. And the luckiest people in the world are the ones that get dragged off the plane before it takes off. Kicking and screaming they just had their life saved and they don't realize it. They don't even thank the people that took them off the plane. Man, talk about winning the life lottery.

Anyhow, please site your source otherwise it's all bullshit. And if your 3. 95% death rate in the US is correct you better research and find out what happened to the 96.05% that were left over. LOL.

Tig.

I heard a very compelling speaker who said that Biden and his son brought covid from China to kill black people. They have a cure and will whip it out after Biden wins the election. Then it will be revealed that Biden is a lizard person and will have to abdicate his position as king of America and his VP will become president. The speaker didn't yet know who will be his VP except that it won't be Ruth Bader Ginsberg because she is actually already deceased. Very informative speaker.

[QUOTE=MeTigger;4880269]Let me first say in general I agree with you. Please site sources for your numbers. For example, go here:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html[/URL]

As of today the data was compiled and updated July 10th for the week ending July 4th. Why was it compiled on the 10th for stuff that happened up to the 4th? There is an entire section explaining how cities, counties, and states report the data in a standard timely manner. Go here:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/covid-19.htm#understanding-the-numbers[/URL]

Basically some places are faster or slower than others reporting data.

Figures lie and liars figure. Direct quote from the above website.

"Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 6. 9% during week 26 to 5. 5% during week 27, representing the eleventh consecutive week during which a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC has been recorded. The percentage is currently below the epidemic threshold but will likely change as additional death certificates for deaths during recent weeks are processed. " I don't see your 3. 9% number?

To me the way I figure it (that makes me a liar) it doesn't matter that pneumonia & influenza are grouped in with the numbers. The overall trend for 11 weeks is that less people were dying that had some concoction of the disease up to July 4th. My guess is the next two reports will show the death rate skyrocket again because all the non mask wearing, knuckle dragging, uneducated radical Trump supporters going to the rallies, going to the beaches, barbecuing with family and possibly friends, shooting off fireworks in their hood, confronting peaceful masked protesters, etc.

It is totally amazing all the negative publicity. The top story is always the total number of infections (and it's going up) and the total number of deaths (and it's going up)! Yeah, so what? If 6. 9% of the people died in week 26 what happened to the remaining 93.1% of the people? And if 5. 5% of the people died in week 27 what happened to the remaining 94.5% of the people? Why not report the exciting news about the 93.1% and 94.5%?

I have yet to read a comprehensive explanation on other countries and how they report their data as compared to the USA. Can anyone direct me to the respective government websites for the EU, Germany, Japan, China, South Korea? Oh yeah, Johns Hopkins corona site. Yeah, they state "the Hopkins team synthesizes data from WHO and four additional sources: CDC, European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, China's National Health Commission, and ncov. Dxy. Cn, an independent data source maintained by Chinese physicians. " Been there, done that. No matter how you slice and dice it even in the "worst" reporting country (Yemen with a 28.3% death rate) 71.7% are left over from the reported death rates.

[URL]https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality[/URL]

And again I ask why isn't someone reporting on that remaining 71.7%? What is happening to those 71.7%? I mean that 71.7% is way more than the 28.3% that are dying. The more I write and think about this the more scared I get. No one is talking about the big percentage number left over, it must be bad, really bad, really, really bad. You should be shitting in your pants because here in the USA that number is 94.5% as of July 10th. That's a way bigger number than Yemen. No one is telling us about it. I'm sure it's Trump holding the media hostage so they won't tell us the real truth. This is why I don't fly. They only show the crashes but they never mention what happens to all the planes that don't crash. And the luckiest people in the world are the ones that get dragged off the plane before it takes off. Kicking and screaming they just had their life saved and they don't realize it. They don't even thank the people that took them off the plane. Man, talk about winning the life lottery.

Anyhow, please site your source otherwise it's all bullshit. And if your 3. 95% death rate in the US is correct you better research and find out what happened to the 96.05% that were left over. LOL.

Tig.[/QUOTE]Tig,

You are absolutely correct on citing sources and I apologize. I garnered the data I used for my post from the RCP news aggregator site ([URL]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/[/URL]). They are aggregating the data (as specified on their site) from:

1. World Health Organization.

2. Centers for Disease Control.

3. European Center for Disease Prevention and Control.

4. National Health Commission of the Peoples Republic of China.

5. DXY DX Doctor (China again -although this is supposedly less central government controlled if such a thing exists in China).

6. Johns Hopkins University.

The reason I chose the aggregated numbers was due to the variance in reporting methods from one organization to another, my logic was that in the aggregate form the data should reveal more true trends and hopefully do a better job of eliminating statistical error. I tend to try and get my news from aggregator sites like this because there is no source for "unspun" facts in the media these days IMHO. I like the fact that aggregators present information from sites with opposing viewpoints and then I can read both views, assume they are both lying, and try to find the truth which I assume to be somewhere in the middle. As to your question about the 96.05% that are left over I am now assuming they are on this board reading this thread. -Dawg.

[QUOTE=FredDaw9;4880592]Tig,

You are absolutely correct on citing sources and I apologize. I garnered the data I used for my post from the RCP news aggregator site ([URL]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/[/URL]). They are aggregating the data (as specified on their site) from:

1. World Health Organization.

2. Centers for Disease Control.

3. European Center for Disease Prevention and Control.

4. National Health Commission of the Peoples Republic of China.

5. DXY DX Doctor (China again -although this is supposedly less central government controlled if such a thing exists in China).

6. Johns Hopkins University.

The reason I chose the aggregated numbers was due to the variance in reporting methods from one organization to another, my logic was that in the aggregate form the data should reveal more true trends and hopefully do a better job of eliminating statistical error. I tend to try and get my news from aggregator sites like this because there is no source for "unspun" facts in the media these days IMHO. I like the fact that aggregators present information from sites with opposing viewpoints and then I can read both views, assume they are both lying, and try to find the truth which I assume to be somewhere in the middle. As to your question about the 96.05% that are left over I am now assuming they are on this board reading this thread. -Dawg.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I like your idea that aggregating could help clear up variance in reporting methods. Be aware that it can also skew the true values depending on the methods used. First thing that popped out at me is the missing time frame for the data they are presenting. Second is the missing line item for Yemen. Yemen just does not exist in the data set presented. I guess "those" deaths don't matter, or they skew the desired results in the wrong direction or it's just a simple programming error. But that's just it, the devil is in the details. Not picking a fight just listing my observations. The data presented here for the most part correspond to data I see elsewhere.

Can anyone explain the value of presenting deaths in the form of xxx per 1 million population? It just forces you to go search for the best population number of a country and calculate the total number of deaths when in reality we just need the total number of deaths.

I don't know if I can trust your assumption about the remaining 96.05%. Alien abduction, Bermuda Triangle and men in black (scratch that, people in dark attire) seem like a more reasonable outcome. Come on man, you want me to believe dare I say blasphemously, they are alive, and they are reading this board? This virus is a killer man. More people are getting it and more people are dying every day. On that I have to call you out on bullshit! They are alive, HA.

Thanks for the info, like I said before, in general I agree with you.

Tig.

Hey anyone want to get in the RBG pool? Or will Disney animatronics keep her going for a few more years?

$10 on July 18th, 8:13 pm. I wish her all the best and a speedy recovery but sadly the reaper waits for no one.

Tig.

[QUOTE=MeTigger;4880672]Hey anyone want to get in the RBG pool? Or will Disney animatronics keep her going for a few more years?

$10 on July 18th, 8:13 pm. I wish her all the best and a speedy recovery but sadly the reaper waits for no one.

Tig.[/QUOTE]Tig, are you taking over under bets on RBG and if so I'd normally be ready to plunk a few bucks down but as you pointed out earlier in the thread the other 95.05% (me included) are actually dead. Hmm as I was typing this it occurred to me that COVID could well be the zombie disease network tv has been preparing us all for these past years. Maybe they are all dead and we just didn't notice because they are walking around looting, burning and protesting.

A guy is brought before the judge's bench. He is on trial for paying a prostitute for sex.

"How do you plead?" the judge asks the defendant.

"Not guilty, Your Honor. ".

Showing him a videotape of the alleged act, the prosecutor responds, "How can you possibly convince this court of your innocence, if we have the sex act, plus your subsequent payment to the alleged prostitute right here on tape?

"Nothing could be easier," says the defendant. "I'll admit to the court that although I wasn't engaged in an act of prostitution, I was committing another crime. Gambling. But I am not charged with that. ".

"Gambling?" responds the prosecutor. "How so?

"Well, you see," answers the defendant, "I went up to the young lady earlier that night as she was working in a topless bar. I said to her, 'I'll bet you $200 that you don't get to have sex with me tonight. '.

"That videotape you have is just footage of me losing the bet and the woman winning!