Ask the Dudes Who Frequented WHFT
[QUOTE=OverShare;6022308]Seemed safe to me and I was pretty comfortable for a non hotel. Rarely go to residential houses but trusted them and it was fine. [b]Neighbors can have my plates and then blow me, hahaha.[/b] And the slim chance that there's a raid at the exact time I'm there? I guess that would suck.[/QUOTE]Oh, your OpSec measure is "it seems safe?" LOL! No, the neighbors aren't going to mug you like might happen at the SuperLodge or other hooker-tels. But the fact that it is a nice upscale neighborhood means they aren't going to want prostitution going on next door.
So, me thinks one isn't thinking the situation all of the way through, just taking a narrow focus and a focus that has potentially fatal flaws. Just saying.
First, the attitude of 'the neighbors can have my plates' has me shaking my head! What if the neighborhood watch group decides to publish a list of plates that visit the house? What if they start taking pics and posting pics of you and you car / truck as you approach the house for dating? It has happened before. The watch group from the LA stroll started publishing pics online of dudes doing dates in their neighborhood, so don't think it can't happen.
Second, remember what happened with that other famous incall spot in Elkton? LE put up surveillance cameras on a pole and watched and recorded dudes coming & going. So what's going to stop them from placing cams on concerned citizens houses? In the Elkton case, several dudes got visits from LE at their house. You want to explain why LE is visiting to your SO or is she gunna over hear the convo? Perhaps you aren't home and LE mentions you are a person of interest in a prostitution racket?
So yeah, ignorance is bliss, but an arrogant attitude? Every time I thumb my nose at OpSec in the hobby is when it has bitten me. Ask the dudes here who ignored the comments about a webcam in the Elkton place and now have video, of their naked ass doing push ups on a hooker, in the hands of the FBI. Many a screen name got dropped here after that came to light. Not to mention how many got visited by LE. Those guys thought it "seemed safe!" Others just ignored the warnings as 'too extreme' and it'll never happen.
I mean those girls are frequently in hotels that are a safer situation or are open to meeting up for outcall. All better ways to date them in a less risky situation. Why take the added risk just because of a narrow focus that makes it "seem safe?"
It's a free country and you are welcome to monger how you wish. But, look dude, we are just trying to keep each other safe here. But hey if you want to spread your license plate all over the net or don't care who has it, keep going with that "style" of yours and that 'breadth' of OpSec. What you wrote scares me for you!
Just saying.
Happy hunting & be safe!
What is ANYONE's definition of SAFETY? Narrowly focused?
[QUOTE=OverShare;6025854]I guess the final point is it was safe. Service was good enough, didn't love the location but also in a neighborhood like that you can be pretty confident you're not going to get into a situation you'll have to get physical and that's what I care most about. I've been in trouble with the law and I'm just not scared of them. I know my text message game is on point, even got in touch with LE in one of those Red Roof Inn stings in Newark and they cut contact with me b / c I refused to say anything incriminating. Showed up early and parked right next to their white surveillance van so I wouldn't have gone in anyway but like I said, they cut contact because I know what you can / can't say. I appreciate the post though, did give me something to think about with citizens posting pics online. I have a professional job in an office, don't need that.[/QUOTE]Hey, the only reason I post stuff like that is to try to help and educate others. Not being argumentative, just firm in my convictions. I am constantly reminded by teacher friends: you can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink. I'm trying to lead youse, and others (lurkers) to water: providing a different perspective as to what is "safe!" Apparently others agree from JRichard's post below.
But if your only criteria of safety is that you aren't going to get in a physical altercation between leaving your car and returning it, I think you are think too narrowly. I think about risk on a broader scale, ways to mitigate it and stay globally safe. You are doing things I just don't deem safe with my wider perspective.
Yes, what you stated about the RRI is correct, doing recon and not saying certain things keeps you out of jail in a sting situation. But that's not the point.
That photo monger dude is 70+ years old and him having 20-something girls coming and going at all times and then dudes visiting at all hours surely hasn't gone unnoticed. So the "risk" we are talking about is other than getting beat up after leaving your car or returning to it. The PhotoMonger girls are all drug users, so they are gunna flip in a heartbeat to avoid drug charges. Are you aware that one of that sable of gals is indeed already a CI?
If one can't understand the examples given, then they run the risk of some "experiential learning" which in many cases can be detrimental to work and family life. I mean the guys going to that Elkton hotel thought everything was "safe" because there were no thugs around to beat them up. It was certainly a "safe" location from that perspective. Oh and there were copious reviews here about how good the girls were, so "safe" from that perspective. However, there were also warnings about cams in the room that were ignored. So in reality the place wasn't "safe!" You want the DE State Police to show up at your work to ask you about prostitution at the house? Oh sure, I have no doubt you know what to say to not incriminate yourself, but the perception at work could be interesting. Or the same thing, perception at home?
I mean that is just one line of "bad things" that could happen with a place that is that widely publicized and active with the comings & goings. I'm suggesting youse and others reading here, open your mind to other possibilities and risks. For my money the risk of dating at that house is too high. Won't do it! Who knows what the exact risk is that is waiting to happen? Prolly something we haven't thought of yet.
But hey, Elkton was "safe" until it wasn't. Very few "saw" the problems or risks at that time, but a large majority of regular posters here are on tape fucking prostitutes.
So my point is, it is fine if you want to keep an narrow focus on a definition of safety. My experience suggests that one day that narrow focus and it's associated blind spot will bite one in the ass needlessly. Might not be at that house, but some where's else in another situation. There's the water.
Why'all do as you wish.
Stay "safe!
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Can anyone confirm?
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[QUOTE=BerryMcCockinr;6034662]Well, that would be nice to know. Care to share?[/QUOTE]I have posted about that numerous times on these threads. I know it isn't terribly fashionable these days with instant info on the 'net, but HISTORY is your friend.
When I was new to the game I read ALOT to get "educated" on the girls, the situations and general "how tos" laid out in prior posts. I figured it was a cheap way to learn from the experience of others rather than have to make costly, dangerous or life changing miscakes!
So while the threads have exploded in volume over the last several years (better for the owner's bottom line) it still makes sense to take some research time and read threads going back.
Not trying to be a douche, more of a 'teach a man to fish' style than give him a fish.