The Sugar World

First chick in your report is clearly a stripper sitting in the strip club locker room.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6301833][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fb9951d4-c16b-2421-0501-32f9cede970f[/URL]

Started talking, settled on date for dinner and fun for 500. I tell her I'm tested and clean, ask her to confirm. She says uncovered fun is more than 500, I ask how much and she says 1000. I tell her I normally only do that for overnights or all day dates, if she wants that for a dinner date what else is she willing to do? Anal? Rimjob? Watersports? I don't even like those kinks, I just wanted to see what she would say, 90% chance I would let her go. She says no anal, then gives me this:

"Don't under value me I won't see you!! I know my worth your not going to fuck me uncovered for 500".

https://members.seeking.com/member/57e51d37-df46-4b59-b1aa-d43ab8a62057

Claims to be two Euro girls who live in Miami and were in Vegas for a bit. Asked them to text, they're very short with 1-3 word responses to everything. Finally make my offer of 500 for each of them for intimate dates, they respond with:

"Lol no. Bye"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pupsnu;6307217]First chick in your report is clearly a stripper sitting in the strip club locker room.[/QUOTE]I don't see why that matters, many attractive women have been strippers, camgirls, etc.

Side note, here's my experience today and it is why I discuss extensively what the arrangement will entail before coming out here. I just arrived in Vegas today. I had some solid girls, but also a bunch of flaky ones that were hard to make plans with. I purposely triple booked my sex session today because I knew they were flaky. All 3 of them failed me, 2 of them ghosted and one of them couldn't find a babysitter.

I tried to get a last minute replacement girl, but she did the thing girls do which is taking fucking forever to get ready, but she has a hard stop where she's got to go do something. I emphasized multiple times that time is the most important thing, not how her eyeliner looks, but she didn't listen. Ended up she would be able to stay less than 1 hour, I told her to forget it and stay home.

I can't imagine taking even more chances with a bunch of girls who get to the bedroom and tell me they don't do anything sexual on the first date, or only want to give a HJ or strip for me, or won't do it without a condom.

Now I'm stuck in a hotel room with nobody to fuck tonight. Maybe I'll hit up an escort, or take a tour around the casino, but those working girls are even less likely to offer bare.

[QUOTE=JimRob;6306852]She is seeking $1 k for GFE for the night. I did not partake.[/QUOTE]Similar price StarshipXO Seems like an escort= 1 k.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bf5560d8-9c1a-448d-b84e-ccd0e92d188d[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6307303]I don't see why that matters, many attractive women have been strippers, camgirls, etc.

Now I'm stuck in a hotel room with nobody to fuck tonight. Maybe I'll hit up an escort, or take a tour around the casino, but those working girls are even less likely to offer bare.[/QUOTE]In general, the experience of SDs that I have read of strippers being SBs is that they have very high monetary expectations. If you are in Vegas on a lark, the cost of the girl may be immaterial. The other aspect? A lot of people have reported that stripper / SBs were some of the worst lays they have experienced. The same for porn stars. I have personal experience with neither. The general feeling is that these types had a high opinion of themselves already, from horny guys blowing smoke up their ass, and they weren't all that into the actual experience of banging their SD. I'd rather have a pretty but not gorgeous / famous girl who was into the sex.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6307837]In general, the experience of SDs that I have read of strippers being SBs is that they have very high monetary expectations. If you are in Vegas on a lark, the cost of the girl may be immaterial. The other aspect? A lot of people have reported that stripper / SBs were some of the worst lays they have experienced. The same for porn stars. I have personal experience with neither. The general feeling is that these types had a high opinion of themselves already, from horny guys blowing smoke up their ass, and they weren't all that into the actual experience of banging their SD. I'd rather have a pretty but not gorgeous / famous girl who was into the sex.[/QUOTE]I'll get to the financial stuff later, but for sex, that has not been my experience. I've had bad pornstar lays and awesome pornstar lays. Saw one through an agency in 2021 and she was so bad I called it early, she started crying thinking I was going to report her to the agency and she needed the job, had money issues. Saw another 18 yo (19 now) pornstar a few months ago, that girl was wild. Sloppy deepthroating, giving deep rimjobs, all 3 holes available BB and cum anywhere, didn't try ass to mouth or pussy but she might have been up for it. Was definitely up for getting pissed on and drinking it, although I didn't partake.

As for strippers, I had one give me a lapdance at Oz in Tampa, and I guess she was horny and I was rubbing her right. She whipped my dick out in the lapdance cubicles and sucked on it, then sat on it BB. She rode me, then I turned her around, pushed her against the cubicle wall, and fucked her from behind until I nutted inside her. This wasn't even in a private VIP room, just the open dance cubicles. Anybody could walk past and see us fucking, even though none did since it was a slow dayshift. She didn't even ask for a tip, but I gave her a generous one. I've also had strippers give mechanical as fuck CBJ then lazily bend over and wait to get fucked, then have the audacity to ask for a tip on top of their already high rate for extras. It all varies.

Age, profession, allowance amount requested, none of it has made a huge difference in how good they are at fucking.

As for finances, yes I've noticed that girls who already have a decent income are less inclined to fuck unattractive men for 200 or 300, which is natural. At the same time, those girls that make money off their looks tend to be better looking than girls who can't or don't. Given the choice, I'd rather pay $1000 for 4 hours with a 9, then $500 for 4 hours with a 7, sexual experience being equal. I have also noticed that girls who charge more are open to hanging out longer. A girl willing to do 400 isn't going to get dinner and hang out for the whole evening, at least I haven't gotten one like that. On the other hand, when girls ask for a higher allowance, I specifically ask if they're open to meeting up for dinner, then hanging out until 11 pm or 12 am, and many will agree. This makes the per hour cost very economical, even when compared to the lower rate girl.

I am not saying that it's necessarily a bad thing, but I play percentages. Just like you pointed towards the bottom of your report. In most cases, strippers will be more expensive and more pro-vibish. But not a given for everyone obviously.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6307303]I don't see why that matters, many attractive women have been strippers, camgirls, etc.

Side note, here's my experience today and it is why I discuss extensively what the arrangement will entail before coming out here. I just arrived in Vegas today. I had some solid girls, but also a bunch of flaky ones that were hard to make plans with. I purposely triple booked my sex session today because I knew they were flaky. All 3 of them failed me, 2 of them ghosted and one of them couldn't find a babysitter.

I tried to get a last minute replacement girl, but she did the thing girls do which is taking fucking forever to get ready, but she has a hard stop where she's got to go do something. I emphasized multiple times that time is the most important thing, not how her eyeliner looks, but she didn't listen. Ended up she would be able to stay less than 1 hour, I told her to forget it and stay home.

I can't imagine taking even more chances with a bunch of girls who get to the bedroom and tell me they don't do anything sexual on the first date, or only want to give a HJ or strip for me, or won't do it without a condom.

Now I'm stuck in a hotel room with nobody to fuck tonight. Maybe I'll hit up an escort, or take a tour around the casino, but those working girls are even less likely to offer bare.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NapataJohn;6307635]Similar price StarshipXO Seems like an escort= 1 k.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bf5560d8-9c1a-448d-b84e-ccd0e92d188d[/URL][/QUOTE]She started at dinner and fun for 800. I asked if she could stay 3 h for that, she said 2 max. I asked if 3 h for 900 with BBFS was doable, she says 1 k.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cb79e064-1a7f-42c3-8fc9-fadab174bb32[/URL]

Said she gets 1 k for meeting for coffee. I told her to go meet for coffee, seems like a good deal.

BTW just had another dud, took a chance on a girl who needed condoms and guess what, she required condoms even after I ate her until she came. Fucked her for 20 min while feeling nothing, eventually called it and sent her away with her allowance. Now contemplating going downstairs and snagging a CG if I can, or just going to bed instead of dealing with their likely poor service and high rates.

Fuck taking risks like that, I don't have time to waste on shit experiences.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/11b094ab-bc4c-480d-afd2-dbb712820cbc[/URL]

1 k PPM. Said some bullshit about if the sex is good, give her 1 k and she'll come back the next night. Any guesses on how likely that's going to be?

Also refused BBFS.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e2f7b438-d491-4e7f-9212-b4a709b4ad91[/URL]

Photos are pretty cute. They're also 50 pounds ago. Took another chance because fat chicks are great at fucking right? Wrong. Couldn't give head due to strong gag reflex, rode for 30 seconds before getting tired, I had to do all the work.

Ugly girls aren't better lays. You just don't fuck enough 10's to get a good sample.

In Vegas and had several potential meets in the queue. Chose one who has already blocked me on the site called AlluringPrincess.

Our texts were great over two days. Agreed on a gift amount set a time and place.

I wad there with gift in pocket 5 xx.

Waited. Waited. Sent photo of me there Then she texted and said cashapp 1 xx. Total time waster. At no point in two days of text did she bring this up.

I have another on the hook who refuses to discuss gift.

I have asked, directly, what she wants and she says let's meet in person to discuss. Suspiciously believe same deal will happen.

If I say okay let's meet at 8 pm at Bellagio to discuss she will say awesome. First cashapp me xxx.

Vegas girls are exhausting.

[QUOTE=Dgtx1975;6309878]In Vegas and had several potential meets in the queue. Chose one who has already blocked me on the site called AlluringPrincess.
Our texts were great over two days. Agreed on a gift amount set a time and place.
I wad there with gift in pocket 5 xx.
Waited. Waited. Sent photo of me there Then she texted and said cashapp 1 xx. Total time waster. At no point in two days of text did she bring this up.
I have another on the hook who refuses to discuss gift.
I have asked, directly, what she wants and she says let's meet in person to discuss. Suspiciously believe same deal will happen.
If I say okay let's meet at 8 pm at Bellagio to discuss she will say awesome. First cashapp me xxx.

Vegas girls are exhausting.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say Vegas girls are exhausting, but I would say scammers are, and probably they are not even in this state or country! Did you have a voice contact first or facetime to verify the person on the other end is who they say they are? With texting you have no idea who is on the other end! I would never meet someone with text as the only contact and no other means of verification. At least everybody seems to be learning NEVER to send a deposit. Glad you did not lose anything but time.

Imagine you're a scammer. You're going to want to go where the largest number of potential targets are located. In the sugar world that is going to be guys that focus on 25-30 shapely and attractive white girls. I can say that in hundreds of meets I have been catfished once, and if any girl wanted to get cash upfront they asked me for it on the site or maybe txt. As far as getting booted from seeking, it's never happened once since the day they opened. And I have had some racy convos (but not for the last few years due to all the horror stories on USASG).

The reason is. I only date AA girls. They might not be your cup of tea. But 95% WYSIWYG. And they don't get into a huff when they can't come to a reasonable allowance with me. Maybe a quick one liner at most and then they are gone, but mostly they just ghost after my offer if its not to their liking. Just my 2 cents.

Hi, has anyone seen her? I searched the forum and didn't see any mentions.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c0bc9c4d-4bc1-4292-a42a-85d646206258[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dd22d399-d62a-43c8-b584-cb286d36e2cd[/URL]

30 yo stripper. Body is okay, good naturals and curvy but not toned. Agrees to 500 PPM.

We go to dinner at a fancy steakhouse. While walking there, waiting for elevators, etc, she's rubbing and grabbing my dick over the pants. I thought this was a good sign of things to come, boy was I wrong.

Get to the room and I rinse off, she pisses but doesn't wash her hands while I'm showering. Come out and all the lights are off, I go to turn on a small lamp in the corner and she refuses, wants to fuck in the dark. Probably had stretch marks or something to hide, but I didn't feel anything with my hands.

She's extremely transactional and a shitty lay. Spends more time giving HJ than BJ. Tries to get an extra tip, and go back on BBFS when we agreed to it. Lazy at riding, asks me to fuck her but gets in the typical stripper mode, rushing me and asking if I'm cumming, stupid shit like that.

Eventually hops off my dick and asks to get her PPM. I consider telling her to get out with no money, but who knows if she had mace or a taser in her purse. I throw her out and toss her money after her, blocked her on SA and Google Voice. Check the pics she sent below.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6311054]Imagine you're a scammer. You're going to want to go where the largest number of potential targets are located. In the sugar world that is going to be guys that focus on 25-30 shapely and attractive white girls. I can say that in hundreds of meets I have been catfished once, and if any girl wanted to get cash upfront they asked me for it on the site or maybe txt. As far as getting booted from seeking, it's never happened once since the day they opened. And I have had some racy convos (but not for the last few years due to all the horror stories on USASG).

The reason is. I only date AA girls. They might not be your cup of tea. But 95% WYSIWYG. And they don't get into a huff when they can't come to a reasonable allowance with me. Maybe a quick one liner at most and then they are gone, but mostly they just ghost after my offer if its not to their liking. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]I wish I could be attracted to AA or Asian girls. It's tough but I only like whites and white latinas. But at the same time, dating girls that most don't prefer is not the best way to have success imo. It's like if a guy came and posted about how he can get girls for $100 and never gets stood up or scammed, but he only hits up BBWs. Sure, you don't get scammed, but most dudes would trade dealing with scammers for not having to fuck fat chicks.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6312524][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dd22d399-d62a-43c8-b584-cb286d36e2cd[/URL]

30 yo stripper. Body is okay, good naturals and curvy but not toned. Agrees to 500 PPM.

We go to dinner at a fancy steakhouse. While walking there, waiting for elevators, etc, she's rubbing and grabbing my dick over the pants. I thought this was a good sign of things to come, boy was I wrong.

Get to the room and I rinse off, she pisses but doesn't wash her hands while I'm showering. Come out and all the lights are off, I go to turn on a small lamp in the corner and she refuses, wants to fuck in the dark. Probably had stretch marks or something to hide, but I didn't feel anything with my hands.

She's extremely transactional and a shitty lay. Spends more time giving HJ than BJ. Tries to get an extra tip, and go back on BBFS when we agreed to it. Lazy at riding, asks me to fuck her but gets in the typical stripper mode, rushing me and asking if I'm cumming, stupid shit like that.

Eventually hops off my dick and asks to get her PPM. I consider telling her to get out with no money, but who knows if she had mace or a taser in her purse. I throw her out and toss her money after her, blocked her on SA and Google Voice. Check the pics she sent below.[/QUOTE]Can't see the pics or attachments.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6312524][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dd22d399-d62a-43c8-b584-cb286d36e2cd[/URL].[/QUOTE]But still she looks very sexy in those pics, pity about the attitude.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6312524][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dd22d399-d62a-43c8-b584-cb286d36e2cd[/URL]

30 yo stripper. Body is okay, good naturals and curvy but not toned. Agrees to 500 PPM.[/QUOTE]As I said earlier about strippers.

[QUOTE=SeckSee1;6302322]I have not been sugaring with new girls for quite some time for a couple of reasons. 1. I found two steady SBs that are fantastic (neither of which are in the game / on the site anymore) and I have been doing my thing with them steadily. 2. I got kicked off the site. I am thinking about getting back in the game for someone new. What is the going rate for SB PPMs now? I know this is and has always been a range but I am seeing a lot of 500. Are there still plenty of women who will accept less or has 500 become the new standard?[/QUOTE]Prices have definitely gone up, but it varies on the girl. I think if you're looking for a girl for less than 300 you're better off just looking for a Casino Girl walking the strip or in the casino. You'll have a better chance after 1 am.

An SA veteran girl will charge more. A new SA girl will be more willing to accept a lower offer, but you better be somewhat attractive and close the deal fast before she gets better offers from other guys. These girls get so many offers from rich guys flying in from all over the world. The best looking and younger girls easily get offered over $1,000 per date. The funny thing is that women think their value goes up as they get older, when it's actually the opposite.

My advice would be to decide on what your budget is and offer it upfront. If it's 400 or 500 then tell her. And be specific if you want her to spend the night or just a couple hours. Don't ask her how much she's looking for because she'll give you a high number and then you'll look cheap and weak by trying to negotiate down and that just wastes time. Meet for a drink at your hotel and feel her out. If it feels good then move it to the bedroom.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6312524][URL]But at the same time, dating girls that most don't prefer is not the best way to have success imo. It's like if a guy came and posted about how he can get girls for $100 and never gets stood up or scammed, but he only hits up BBWs.[/QUOTE]I agree with your point 100%. But AA is my preference as far as race. Although I could be attracted to a girl of any race or country if she was my version of hot.

But within that very large group I then narrow it down to looks, body type and personality. Anyone who follows me knows my body type (petite spinner). So not really giving anything up there. Personality wise they need to be on the very submissive / kink side of things if they expect to see me more than once. Although if a girl mentions she is kinky in her profile I pass. As far as skills ofc we all want that sexy, flirty type that's long lasting and anything goes. But on some level it's a YMMV scenario to some degree.

As far as price I am convinced that $ amounts have nothing to do with skills or the overall sensuality/sexuality of a girl (only talking about girls that look hot to begin with). And if she likes you it's probably gonna be a bit better than average. But the highest paid SB I ever knew personally. High as in there was never any talk of money (because the amounts being spent are sky high right out of the gate). Well that girl wasn't all that in bed. She was a whole lot of fun, super smart, and she was the stereotypical california busty blond. The kind of girl that the truly wealthy pursue. And she used to tell me I was demanding and that most guys were happy with much less in the FC. (dated her for 2 years when I was balling).

But we all have our own version of what a 10 is for us. And thanks for all the posts. Keep up the good work. My own rough calculation is that 5% of the members leave 99% of the posts.

Just to add on to the stripper commentary. Overall I don't pursue them and if they say dancer in their profile I pass immediately. The reason being, out of my four regulars one has danced for 6 years and the other for 3 years. When I hear the way they talk about the customers they see in and out of the club, I almost (but not really) feel sorry for those guys. Generally speaking they are paying top dollar for minimal service. Yes they look great but not really a good bet if you're just another trick.

That strippers eventually come to see almost all men as marks, potential cash flow, or idiots who needed to be parted with their money.

I've never met a seasoned or experienced stripper who had a positive opinion of men or very many healthy relationships with them in their personal lives.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6313368]Just to add on to the stripper commentary. Overall I don't pursue them and if they say dancer in their profile I pass immediately. The reason being, out of my four regulars one has danced for 6 years and the other for 3 years. When I hear the way they talk about the customers they see in and out of the club, I almost (but not really) feel sorry for those guys. Generally speaking they are paying top dollar for minimal service. Yes they look great but not really a good bet if you're just another trick.[/QUOTE]

Strippers have a lifecycle that most go through from Newbie who try really hard to veterans who suck men dry to over the hill / stayed too long / out of the game where reality hits them that life is a lot harder with no skills and older / fading looks.

The final group can be great SB's or girlfriends. Before that, stay away.

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;6313614]That strippers eventually come to see almost all men as marks, potential cash flow, or idiots who needed to be parted with their money.

I've never met a seasoned or experienced stripper who had a positive opinion of men or very many healthy relationships with them in their personal lives.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hobbyist1980;6296519]I met up with her a few years ago when she advertised on Mojo. She went by Sophie or Sophia. She used to only be $$ for an hour. Her rates have gone up considerably. She is a nice girl. Looks just like her pics, at least she did back then. She is definitely worth $$, $$ seems like alot. Not sure I would go that high.[/QUOTE]After reading your post I did a google search and found Sophie's Mojo ad from 5 years ago. It has her number in the ad and it's the same number she's using now. Her SA profile is down, so if you want to contact her click the link below. Do a google search of her number and you'll find her other ads and pics. She also has some reviews on TER.

[URL]https://mojovillage.com/adult-18/companionsguides-women/sexy-lil-spinner-blonde-babe-quality-high-class-playmate-armcandy_122201[/URL]

Have any of you had luck contacting this cute little pornstar in Henderson?

Her porn name is Allie Addison. Super cute and tiny. Just my type. Short curly hair. Mixed ethnicity.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7660c610-08d6-4d20-862d-7a7b2c99c41b[/URL]

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;6313614]That strippers eventually come to see almost all men as marks, potential cash flow, or idiots who needed to be parted with their money.

I've never met a seasoned or experienced stripper who had a positive opinion of men or very many healthy relationships with them in their personal lives.[/QUOTE]Stripper dating life (only speaking about the ones I am dating now).

1 - tricks in the club - That's their job.

2 - tricks outside the club - Those guys pay 4 to 10 bills for robotic service and fake smiles at best. Plus dinners and maybe overnites.

3 - same age boyfriend - Usually a loser on some level and the girl gets treated like shit half the time.

4 - same age girlfriend - May or may not be a good relationship. But usually pretty normal.

5 - older guy (me) spends very little - Gets treated well, gets overnites. More of a daddy figure minus the sugar/ or pays a $ a date

I can absolutely believe all of this.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6313916]Stripper dating life (only speaking about the ones I am dating now).

1 - tricks in the club - That's their job.

2 - tricks outside the club - Those guys pay 4 to 10 bills for robotic service and fake smiles at best. Plus dinners and maybe overnites.

3 - same age boyfriend - Usually a loser on some level and the girl gets treated like shit half the time.

4 - same age girlfriend - May or may not be a good relationship. But usually pretty normal.

5 - older guy (me) spends very little - Gets treated well, gets overnites. More of a daddy figure minus the sugar/ or pays a $ a date[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RoyMunson;6313834]After reading your post I did a google search and found Sophie's Mojo ad from 5 years ago. It has her number in the ad and it's the same number she's using now. Her SA profile is down, so if you want to contact her click the link below. Do a google search of her number and you'll find her other ads and pics. She also has some reviews on TER.

[URL]https://mojovillage.com/adult-18/companionsguides-women/sexy-lil-spinner-blonde-babe-quality-high-class-playmate-armcandy_122201[/URL][/QUOTE]Sophie is an unreliable see kunt. Super flaky and lies about where she's at, how long it will take to get to you, etc. Got stood up multiple times but it wasn't that bad because she was just coming to my hotel. Only bad thing was I could've been fucking other girls but I made time for her instead, and she blows me off.

This one was in town for AVN. Cam girl that is pimped. She took me for 600. Will tell you she going into porn to try and get you to pay her to stay out if you're dumb enough to fall for it!! Total scam. She's in Seattle. Live there. Letting the Seattle rob report blow over.

Ben warned.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f826f91b-bea9-44ff-a1c2-48746addf71a?_cf_ref=aHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2FzZXhndWlkZS5ubC8%3D[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6314488]Sophie is an unreliable see kunt. Super flaky and lies about where she's at, how long it will take to get to you, etc. Got stood up multiple times but it wasn't that bad because she was just coming to my hotel. Only bad thing was I could've been fucking other girls but I made time for her instead, and she blows me off.[/QUOTE]I used to see her when she was $$ Hr. She was pretty reliable back than but she didn't have GPS ego five years ago. I always saw her at.

Incalls which were various hotels and apartments. The last time I saw her she tried to make me wait for her when we already agreed on a time.

I finally text her that I'm leaving now unless she opens the door. That was a pain but BBFS with her was great.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f9a44e38-7666-4b05-8ae4-2a02489bc632[/URL]

Wants 500 for dinner, 1000 for fucking. Normally I'd tell her 1000 is doable for an all-day date with BBFS, but she's annoying and entitled to talk to. Told her good luck.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6313916]Stripper dating life (only speaking about the ones I am dating now).

1 - tricks in the club - That's their job.

2 - tricks outside the club - Those guys pay 4 to 10 bills for robotic service and fake smiles at best. Plus dinners and maybe overnites.

3 - same age boyfriend - Usually a loser on some level and the girl gets treated like shit half the time.

4 - same age girlfriend - May or may not be a good relationship. But usually pretty normal.

5 - older guy (me) spends very little - Gets treated well, gets overnites. More of a daddy figure minus the sugar/ or pays a $ a date[/QUOTE]Good info but its hard to distinguish between #2 and #5 in my experience.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6316751][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f9a44e38-7666-4b05-8ae4-2a02489bc632[/URL]

Wants 500 for dinner, 1000 for fucking. Normally I'd tell her 1000 is doable for an all-day date with BBFS, but she's annoying and entitled to talk to. Told her good luck.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I will not message her. Dodged a bullet there!!

[QUOTE=FourSeasons2;6317019]Good info but its hard to distinguish between #2 and #5 in my experience.[/QUOTE]The difference is #2 is way more expensive and either a drugged up girl or just doesn't really want to be there. #5 is more like true GFE with either no pay (other than normal dating expenses) or very low pay.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6317747]The difference is #2 is way more expensive and either a drugged up girl or just doesn't really want to be there. #5 is more like true GFE with either no pay (other than normal dating expenses) or very low pay.[/QUOTE]I've had a mixture of 2 and 5 before. Really high pay request, but spent the night fucking and cuddling and genuinely seemed to enjoy it, was convulsing and legs quivering after cumming.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6318427]I've had a mixture of 2 and 5 before. Really high pay request, but spent the night fucking and cuddling and genuinely seemed to enjoy it, was convulsing and legs quivering after cumming.[/QUOTE]It's def a numbers game. You never know when you are gonna strike gold.

I searched through the thread for answers, but couldn't really find anything. How are you guys opening? I tried a few variations of things so far, but have received few responses. Just wondering how I can change things up again.

[QUOTE=MisterMr;6322557]I searched through the thread for answers, but couldn't really find anything. How are you guys opening? I tried a few variations of things so far, but have received few responses. Just wondering how I can change things up again.[/QUOTE]Definitely just say "hey. " Or better yet, just request their private pics if they have any. Best ways to open, guaranteed.

[QUOTE=MisterMr;6322557]I searched through the thread for answers, but couldn't really find anything. How are you guys opening? I tried a few variations of things so far, but have received few responses. Just wondering how I can change things up again.[/QUOTE]I have two openers. One is for the girls I perceive as very new (long intro) and one for the girls that look seasoned (short intro). Copy and paste for both.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6322900]Definitely just say "hey. " Or better yet, just request their private pics if they have any. Best ways to open, guaranteed.[/QUOTE]He is gaslighting you.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6323101]He is gaslighting you.[/QUOTE]I figured. Thanks to everyone who has responded seriously thus far.