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[QUOTE=MidgetMac87;2574907]If Empire is gone then farewell. Some other place will come and replace it. No skin off of anyones back really. Let's just be happy that Empire, IMHO, caused some of the other AMP's to up their game. Other than that, not going to really miss the place. Steve was a cool dude though.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Steve was a cool guy. But IMHO, Empire was a YMMV kind of place. Sayonara, arrivaderci, aloha and good bye Empire. Lots of other great options out there.
Damn man! This convo got heated. Its never a good when something like this goes away, but it was one helluva ride. This comes from a guy who didn't favor Empire, but Steve was a cool MFkn dude & Sunny was the best I ever had there (guess I got to keep an eye out since she said she would make a comeback, we'll haveta see where at or at all) I missed out on a few good ones (Sugar & Selena when the getting was good). My opinion, I think it probably was a disgruntled newbie who blew the whistle w / a phony reason, thus giving HPD a reason. Fact: Mama Ivy did start turning away newbs. So it could happen.
All we mongers can do is speculate w / a grain of salt because those who know, seems like they rather not talk about it. On the bright side, Empire really did up the ante. Give it a few months, maybe Ivy & Co. Will turn up elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Surfbreak;2575018]Agreed. Steve was a cool guy. But IMHO, Empire was a YMMV kind of place. Sayonara, arrivaderci, aloha and good bye Empire. Lots of other great options out there.[/QUOTE]I rarely had a bad experience there, maybe once if I really look back and it would be addressed and wasn't a problem any following time. That's one of the things that made Empire as good of a place as it was. I still think it was one of the best of last year.
Since RicoSuave closed down the Empire thread, and postings of Empire is continuing here, I'd like to post my thoughts here. I know I'm late to the dinner table, and only found out about Empire's closing.
Yesterday. While browsing through BP last night, I was thinking to myself "hmmm, strange, how come no ads for Empire?" None for two days ago, and none for even last week time period.
I have to say that I am deeply saddened by the sudden closure.
I usually don't have a favorite place that I frequent, and usually go to various AMP's in town. However, Empire really did grab me, and I really liked the chicks there, esp my time with Layla, Sugar and the last one, w / Joy.
It's this strange feeling of sadness and shock that I am feeling right now. Kind of like how your good friend at school or at your workplace suddenly doesn't show up to work, and is no longer on the work schedule. Or your best.
Friend in school all of a sudden dis-enrolls from school because his parents got divorced, and suddenly moved out of town. You have no way of contacting your friend because he disconnected his phone number, or you don't have any contact info. You're just left with the "WTF?" feeling.
Anyhow, I would like to thank uncle Steve for the great service he's provided me with his chicks at Empire. I only saw mama Ivy twice, so I didn't really know her that well. Plus she would have a semi-sour faced expression when I entered their business.
But Steve usually shook my hands, and.
Always asked me if the service was great, offered me cups of water, and thanked me for being a client.
No other AMP's was as courteous as Steve was.
I don't know what happened, and probably you guys know more about the reason for the sudden closure.
I am also upset, because I was going to pay them a visit next week. Now, that's over.
Just my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=MuffinStuffer;2574774] An ICE raid in Waikiki let alone downtown Honolulu would be all over the news. It also most likely wouldn't be at one establishment. ICE doesn't target 1 person /1 place at a time. Because they know all their other targets will go to ground. [/QUOTE]Yeah, I doubt it was an ICE raid, as ICE usually works with HPD LEO's, and usually busts never shuts down a business.
I remember, hmmm, maybe six or seven years ago that there was a raid on the old former Ward 3-plexes, HPD and ICE arrested some of the girls, but the AMP business went on. So I doubt Empire's sudden closure / departure was due to a raid.
But I don't know. Seems like brothers like the Admin, HarryWang and SirRegal knows a lot more behind the scene stuff.
So Empire was my exclusive place to go. With all the talk of it closing down, what are some worthy alternatives? Any places that offer service remotely comparable to Empire? MSOG, CIM, COF, ect.
[QUOTE=SlimGuy619;2576015]So Empire was my exclusive place to go. With all the talk of it closing down, what are some worthy alternatives? Any places that offer service remotely comparable to Empire? MSOG, CIM, COF, ect.[/QUOTE]No there are not. That's why we are so pissed and broken-hearted. Lower your standards, like way lower, and you may find a few providers, here and there, who might be reasonable alternatives.
[QUOTE=MidgetMac87;2574907]If Empire is gone then farewell. Some other place will come and replace it. No skin off of anyones back really. Let's just be happy that Empire, IMHO, caused some of the other AMP's to up their game. Other than that, not going to really miss the place. Steve was a cool dude though.[/QUOTE]Never did go Empire. I thought Joy looked cute but, couldn't find parking and just gave up.
[QUOTE=SmokinGun;2574970]Empire will go down in history as one of the best Hawaii has ever seen. Wow. So I can name Hula Hands, New Yorker, and now Empire.[/QUOTE]Yup, was just thinking that New Yorker been gone over a decade and it was missed, then empire came up. You can't please 100% of the people and empire didn't. For those that loved empire did so for what was standard at empire was extra and rare at other places.
Empire? It was just a dream. Wake up. Why is he smiling in his sleep?
[QUOTE=AdventureKing;2575962]Since RicoSuave closed down the Empire thread, and postings of Empire is continuing here, I'd like to post my thoughts here. I know I'm late to the dinner table, and only found out about Empire's closing.
Yesterday. While browsing through BP last night, I was thinking to myself "hmmm, strange, how come no ads for Empire?" None for two days ago, and none for even last week time period.
I have to say that I am deeply saddened by the sudden closure.
I usually don't have a favorite place that I frequent, and usually go to various AMP's in town. However, Empire really did grab me, and I really liked the chicks there, esp my time with Layla, Sugar and the last one, w / Joy.
It's this strange feeling of sadness and shock that I am feeling right now. Kind of like how your good friend at school or at your workplace suddenly doesn't show up to work, and is no longer on the work schedule. Or your best.
Friend in school all of a sudden dis-enrolls from school because his parents got divorced, and suddenly moved out of town. You have no way of contacting your friend because he disconnected his phone number, or you don't have any contact info. You're just left with the "WTF?" feeling.
Anyhow, I would like to thank uncle Steve for the great service he's provided me with his chicks at Empire. I only saw mama Ivy twice, so I didn't really know her that well. Plus she would have a semi-sour faced expression when I entered their business.
But Steve usually shook my hands, and.
Always asked me if the service was great, offered me cups of water, and thanked me for being a client.
No other AMP's was as courteous as Steve was.
I don't know what happened, and probably you guys know more about the reason for the sudden closure.
I am also upset, because I was going to pay them a visit next week. Now, that's over.
Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]FUCK, I miss Empire already. FUCK. , I just got over losing Mayflower and now Empire. Where the fuck do I place my rock solid hairy penis?
The bar was set so damn high, I don't know if anyone can beat it at this point. It is like that Men's 100M sprint. Once you hit under 10seconds, the World Record gets harder to harder to beat. Once a decade like wonderful service is what Empire gave. She had it down in a system. A well oiled machine. Truly painful to see it disappear..............Good times, good memories..............
Not meaning to disrespect anyone here but, with Empire's demise, some are acting like it's the end of the world as we know it. Get out there and explore. There are many very good girls at the other AMPs and, believe it or not, many are better in the sex department than some of those Empire girls--in my experience. BTW, for the Lux and Wara fans, both of them provided the very same service described in your Empire reviews when they were at Hula Girl last year, so what you got with them at Empire wasn't really just an Empire thing. Both of these girls just love to fuck no matter where they are working at. I am betting both will be back here on Oahu.
[QUOTE=Blake123;2576187]Not meaning to disrespect anyone here but, with Empire's demise, some are acting like it's the end of the world as we know it. Get out there and explore. There are many very good girls at the other AMPs and, believe it or not, many are better in the sex department than some of those Empire girls--in my experience. BTW, for the Lux and Wara fans, both of them provided the very same service described in your Empire reviews when they were at Hula Girl last year, so what you got with them at Empire wasn't really just an Empire thing. Both of these girls just love to fuck no matter where they are working at. I am betting both will be back here on Oahu.[/QUOTE]I agree. Maybe they will go to Happiness where they have the good facilities that will enable them to do their thing.
[QUOTE=Blake123;2576187]Not meaning to disrespect anyone here but, with Empire's demise, some are acting like it's the end of the world as we know it. Get out there and explore. There are many very good girls at the other AMPs and, believe it or not, many are better in the sex department than some of those Empire girls--in my experience. BTW, for the Lux and Wara fans, both of them provided the very same service described in your Empire reviews when they were at Hula Girl last year, so what you got with them at Empire wasn't really just an Empire thing. Both of these girls just love to fuck no matter where they are working at. I am betting both will be back here on Oahu.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you, brother about going to explore and find new gold elsewhere. But like the also defunct Volcano Girls agency, Empire was the one stop shop for a good bunch of us. A lot put their eggs into that one basket. In fact, it was the only place I really mongered last year. My first year in the AMP scene. I tried to go back to (my longest time favorite sno-bunnie) escorts and no where near the same as Ivy's. I also remember doing weeks of research here on the forum before I narrowed it down to Empire. The slump in the escort scene did compel me to move into foreign waters.
I used to thrive on TOFFT escort mongering back in the day but not so much now. AMP convert now. But to find that gold, off into foreign waters once again! I also admit I miss banging hot white girls.
[QUOTE=NiceBush808;2576500]One thing people have to understand is that it is an endangered species. Same for trying to preserve the rainforest / bushes even pubic hair bushes or ecosystem important for around us. Or even if someone killed your dog or loved one. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy about that.[/QUOTE]To paraphrase the genius below (who doesn't think a dentist is a doctor) "get the facts"; African Lions are not listed under the Endangered Species Act. By the way, the formal title of a dentist is Doctor of Dental Surgery. Get the facts!
[QUOTE=Suksukboi808;2576202]The guy was a dentist not a doctor. Do your research get the facts. One lion in fucking Africa of all places isn't hurting the fucking ecosystem. Feel free to hug all the lions you can and report how cute and cuddly they are.[/QUOTE]