Streetwalker Reports

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5066892]Idk how Gator gets away with paying at the end.
Most of the girls run into Scumbags that get the BJ and Dash without paying, so the girls build up a defense and rather leave if you say after.
Honestly I don't mind paying up front. Its only a few bucks anyway.
And if they provide crap service then I'll give them a negative review here and never see them again.
Lets say you DO get shitty service. Then what? Are you prepared to sit there haggling with this dirty ***** over $20?
She gave me back half the money but when I tried to get smart and Leave her there she ran to the back of my vehicle and was about to take a pic of my Plate.
Its just not worth it. Just take it as a loss if you are unlucky enough to run into one of these Women.

I know Gator has other advice from his 65 Years Mongering.Lmao.[/QUOTE]That's close. LOL. How is it I get away with paying at the end? To clarify my position allow me to offer this.

I never mean to imply I score a goal every time I negotiate because I don't. I lose as many as I get. My methods are quite simple at best.

I don't wait till I get to the spot to say payment comes at the end. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

At the negotiation table is when I tell a girl what I'm willing to pay for what service. I let them know if it includes windows and when the payment will arrive.

At that time, she has the option to agree or opt out. If she decides to opt out, I wish her well and continue my quest. No hard feelings. I've had enough pussy in my lifetime I can pretty much afford to allow them to walk.

I never hit the playground with a do or die mindset. It's always a game for me. I don't have to have that pussy. With that in mind I can afford to make choices. Safe logical choices.

If things change up and I'm not ok I turn the vehicle around and head right back.

I've heard all the excuses and very politely tell them that's between them and the guy that didn't pay them. Has nothing to do with the current situation. I explain they have their rules and I have mine. So, we can do things my way or they can find somebody to do things their way. Bird in the hand is always worth two in the Bush.

Working this way, I have no problems with those familiar with my procedure. One thing I never do is withhold payment upon completion of the task. Good job or not so good she gets the agreed amount for the service provided. Some of the work force refuse to do business my way. That's all part of negotiations.

I've lost as many meetings as I've had. I have no problem letting a deal walk away. They're like street cars. Always another right around the corner.

Not everyone agrees with my way of doing business. It works well for me. Will it work for others? As always YMMV.

For me everything is a risk evaluation in this game. Driving down the street, stopping at a light, paying up front all has a risk factor. I like to keep my risk factor as low as I logically can. I like to share those experiences with others so they don't find themselves in a bad situation.

What burns me up is many of the participants in the game work very hard for their money. Very few people I know have their money just handed to them in an envelope because they are nice guys. It's my strong belief they should get something for those funds. Even a lousy BJ is better than no BJ. Agreed?

With that in mind, if you drive home with your money in your pocket even if you didn't score you was successful. Tomorrow is another day. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

[QUOTE=AnonBuxz;5067065]I never pay up front anymore, always at the end. I never rip anyone off, but have been ripped off before. Not everyone can afford to keep getting ripped off over & over again.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. The way you are doing things lowers your risk factor. It's keeping you safer. Less confrontation. Paying for what you get puts the ball in your court for the next time. If you got good results or not so good, you can make educated choices. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

[QUOTE=Gator145;5067134]That's close. LOL. How is it I get away with paying at the end? To clarify my position allow me to offer this.

I never mean to imply I score a goal every time I negotiate because I don't. I lose as many as I get. My methods are quite simple at best.

I don't wait till I get to the spot to say payment comes at the end. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

At the negotiation table is when I tell a girl what I'm willing to pay for what service. I let them know if it includes windows and when the payment will arrive.

At that time, she has the option to agree or opt out. If she decides to opt out, I wish her well and continue my quest. No hard feelings. I've had enough pussy in my lifetime I can pretty much afford to allow them to walk.

I never hit the playground with a do or die mindset. It's always a game for me. I don't have to have that pussy. With that in mind I can afford to make choices. Safe logical choices.

If things change up and I'm not ok I turn the vehicle around and head right back.

I've heard all the excuses and very politely tell them that's between them and the guy that didn't pay them. Has nothing to do with the current situation. I explain they have their rules and I have mine. So, we can do things my way or they can find somebody to do things their way. Bird in the hand is always worth two in the Bush.

Working this way, I have no problems with those familiar with my procedure. One thing I never do is withhold payment upon completion of the task. Good job or not so good she gets the agreed amount for the service provided. Some of the work force refuse to do business my way. That's all part of negotiations.

I've lost as many meetings as I've had. I have no problem letting a deal walk away. They're like street cars. Always another right around the corner.

Not everyone agrees with my way of doing business. It works well for me. Will it work for others? As always YMMV.

For me everything is a risk evaluation in this game. Driving down the street, stopping at a light, paying up front all has a risk factor. I like to keep my risk factor as low as I logically can. I like to share those experiences with others so they don't find themselves in a bad situation.

What burns me up is many of the participants in the game work very hard for their money. Very few people I know have their money just handed to them in an envelope because they are nice guys. It's my strong belief they should get something for those funds. Even a lousy BJ is better than no BJ. Agreed?

With that in mind, if you drive home with your money in your pocket even if you didn't score you was successful. Tomorrow is another day. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.[/QUOTE]This sounds exactly right. Laying out payment (and other) expectations as part of the initial discussion avoids all manner of problems. Adding in conditions after that can create problems. Not that I play in this particular area, but the concept applies to many situations, not just mongering.

[QUOTE=Gator145;5067134]I never hit the playground with a do or die mindset. It's always a game for me. I don't have to have that pussy. With that in mind I can afford to make choices. Safe logical choices.[/QUOTE]This. 1000 times this.

Always remember you're the one with the money, and if you choose not to spend it, it'll be in your pocket tomorrow same as it is today.

On the other hand, the time she chooses to spend with you is perishable. If she passes up a half hour with you and doesn't land another client, that half hour. And the money that could have come along with it. Can never be recovered.

[QUOTE=DonTrask;5067026]That is her picture, I did not snap it myself, I stole it off social media. We can disagree but I thought she looked within 5 years of that picture, not the 30 you are suggesting but that doesn't mean my opinion weighs more than yours. YMMV as they say.

I just wanted to do my fellow mongers a solid by giving a review of her performance before they plunk their money down. She gives a tight gripping handjob when her jaw gets tired and it gets tired sooner than what I expected. In my opinion, she looks better than most of the Walking Dead on K Avenue, spinner type body, Victoria Secret underwear, surely that makes her different than most. But if you are paying for sheer performance and a man eater that will put a lip lock on your love muscle and wouldn't stop till she tastes the white gravy, you are better off grabbing one of those lesser looking options. Again, just my opinion.[/QUOTE]Ok.

Yea the one I saw looked just like this with a ton of makeup on. But I could see the wrinkles in her face.

She was in her 50's or 60's.

[QUOTE=Gator145;5067134]It's my strong belief they should get something for those funds. Even a lousy BJ is better than no BJ. Agreed?.[/QUOTE]So we agree they should be compensated for the attempt.

I have 2 questions. What do you do when:

1-She starts complaining 2 minutes into the Bjob that you need to "Hurry Up", or starts whining as if you need to finish?

Do you withhold the money? Or Stop right there and give her some?

2-You have agreed on a price then she tries to upsell you a few minutes in?

The name of the redhead I referred to a few posts ago is Roxanne.

I caught her again around 3 am on Sedgley.

Same big fat ass in Camo sweatsuit.

Same attitude.

Same Broken nose that was prolly the results of that attitude.

Said K9 hurts and prefers Missionary.

Ended up getting out giving up on Negotiations.

[QUOTE=RoboPimp;5068731]So we agree they should be compensated for the attempt.
I have 2 questions. What do you do when:
1-She starts complaining 2 minutes into the Bjob that you need to "Hurry Up", or starts whining as if you need to finish?
Do you withhold the money? Or Stop right there and give her some?
2-You have agreed on a price then she tries to upsell you a few minutes in?[/QUOTE]Upsell? Simply tell her the agreed price is all I have. We have an agreement. That's what I'm willing to pay for. Exactly what chores she said she was willing to do. I tell her I don't change things up and she better not either or the deal is off. I let her know at negotiations we travel at my speed not hers. I don't want to hear "you almost done" or "hurry up" or any of that BS.

I will never break the deal. Stick to the deal and she will get what she wants. If at negotiations I get bad vibes, attitude, whatever I feel might be a problem I cut negotiations right there. I refuse to knowingly take the chance thinking it will get better. I'll walk away from a deal if I sense things could turn sour. I will not deal with any attitude. At negotiations I tell them very nicely if they can't play by my rules they can't get in my game. There's a dozen others that would gladly play.

I'm not perfect. I've made some bad decisions along the way. But every time I screwed up I try and review what led to the problem. What could I have done different to make things work.

I keep a dummy roll of cash in my shirt pocket. It looks like a Jackson wrapped around a few other bills. Actually I snipped the corners of a few 20's and glued them to a one. Wrapped what appears to be the twenty around some play money with a rubber band around it. In the shadows it looks pretty legit. Any trouble from the girl I bring things to a complete stop. Drive back to a safe spot for her and tell her get out and she gets her cash. She balks I pull out the fake wad show it to her and quickly toss it out her window. When she gets out I'm out of there.

I've only had to do that 3-5 times that I can remember. Worked every time.

If she legitimately tries she gets what we agreed to. Only time I use the dummy wad is with a problem case where a member of the workforce breaks the deal or refuses to get out.

Not all the employees are equal. We all know some are a lot better than others. As long as they don't try and screw me over the're will be no issue. They play hard ball I got a dozen tricks up my sleeve and will use every one to keep myself safe.
Another thing we all know, is all situations are not equal. The above approach works for me. There will be times when It doesn't. We need to evaluate every meeting with caution keeping our safety in mind. That's the most important asset to you, your safety.
Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

[QUOTE=Gator145;5069119]Upsell? Simply tell her the agreed price is all I have. We have an agreement. That's what I'm willing to pay for. Exactly what chores she said she was willing to do. I tell her I don't change things up and she better not either or the deal is off. I let her know at negotiations we travel at my speed not hers. I don't want to hear "you almost done" or "hurry up" or any of that BS.

I will never break the deal. Stick to the deal and she will get what she wants. If at negotiations I get bad vibes, attitude, whatever I feel might be a problem I cut negotiations right there. I refuse to knowingly take the chance thinking it will get better. I'll walk away from a deal if I sense things could turn sour. I will not deal with any attitude. At negotiations I tell them very nicely if they can't play by my rules they can't get in my game. There's a dozen others that would gladly play.

I'm not perfect. I've made some bad decisions along the way. But every time I screwed up I try and review what led to the problem. What could I have done different to make things work.

I keep a dummy roll of cash in my shirt pocket. It looks like a Jackson wrapped around a few other bills. Actually I snipped the corners of a few 20's and glued them to a one. Wrapped what appears to be the twenty around some play money with a rubber band around it. In the shadows it looks pretty legit. Any trouble from the girl I bring things to a complete stop. Drive back to a safe spot for her and tell her get out and she gets her cash. She balks I pull out the fake wad show it to her and quickly toss it out her window. When she gets out I'm out of there.

I've only had to do that 3-5 times that I can remember. Worked every time.

If she legitimately tries she gets what we agreed to. Only time I use the dummy wad is with a problem case where a member of the workforce breaks the deal or refuses to get out.

Not all the employees are equal. We all know some are a lot better than others. As long as they don't try and screw me over the're will be no issue. They play hard ball I got a dozen tricks up my sleeve and will use every one to keep myself safe.
Another thing we all know, is all situations are not equal. The above approach works for me. There will be times when It doesn't. We need to evaluate every meeting with caution keeping our safety in mind. That's the most important asset to you, your safety.
Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.[/QUOTE]What you have described in your two excellent posts is CONTROL. The power lies with the dude with the money. Now he can choose to hold and use the power, er, in a polite way, or give his power over to the girl. Usually showing that power along with kindness is enough to get most marginal girls in line with the program. The bad ones? Whie they are few & far between, you can't change them, so have to use skills to get away.

Every dollar you are prepared to spend, you should also be prepared to lose. So when things go south, one needs to be able to part with their funds, not put up a fight or whatever. Hitting a girl or other violence can get you in more hotwater than hobbying. Why take that chance? Have seen girls get mad and kicking the side of a car or smash a window with a rock. That's hard to explain to an SO or a pain to get fixed and not worth the trade off of a few bucks lost.

But learning to negotiate is a skill that I think many dudes avoid. I know many posters complain that they don't like to do it, so avoid it. That is a choice. When I talk to a girl, am discussing the projects she will be doing and when the job is done payment will be made. Often add that a tip is possible for excellent work, above & beyond. When all is laid out like that, things usually go well. Those that bauk are met with a polite response and a change of direction and offer to return them to where the were found. That often solves things. Those that don't, I am glad to drop off.

Key to this is being firm, but polite and respectful. You can be in control without being an a $$. Remember while you are negotiating with her, she is sizing you up. Show weakness and street girls will exploit that. Show that you are a regular Joe, polite but firm and most girls will feel more comfortable.

So good luck out there!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5069647]What you have described in your two excellent posts is CONTROL. The power lies with the dude with the money. Now he can choose to hold and use the power, er, in a polite way, or give his power over to the girl. Usually showing that power along with kindness is enough to get most marginal girls in line with the program. The bad ones? Whie they are few & far between, you can't change them, so have to use skills to get away.

Every dollar you are prepared to spend, you should also be prepared to lose. So when things go south, one needs to be able to part with their funds, not put up a fight or whatever. Hitting a girl or other violence can get you in more hotwater than hobbying. Why take that chance? Have seen girls get mad and kicking the side of a car or smash a window with a rock. That's hard to explain to an SO or a pain to get fixed and not worth the trade off of a few bucks lost.

But learning to negotiate is a skill that I think many dudes avoid. I know many posters complain that they don't like to do it, so avoid it. That is a choice. When I talk to a girl, am discussing the projects she will be doing and when the job is done payment will be made. Often add that a tip is possible for excellent work, above & beyond. When all is laid out like that, things usually go well. Those that bauk are met with a polite response and a change of direction and offer to return them to where the were found. That often solves things. Those that don't, I am glad to drop off.

Key to this is being firm, but polite and respectful. You can be in control without being an a $$. Remember while you are negotiating with her, she is sizing you up. Show weakness and street girls will exploit that. Show that you are a regular Joe, polite but firm and most girls will feel more comfortable.

So good luck out there![/QUOTE]Also one other thing by not pre-paying she may put that extra effort into her work to make sure you are truly satisfied knowing that she did not get paid yet opposed to the ones that get the money upfront and give you a Lackluster job because they really don't care now they have the money in there pocket already.

Spent a few nights cruising and finding nothing worthwhile, but tonight I ran into a Native American girl named Breonna. Curly shoulder-length hair, rectangle frame glasses, and a dreamcatcher necklace ("she never takes it off" She had to be fresh because nothing about her said SW.

I didn't think she was out at first because she was a solid 8+ on the normal civilian scale from afar. Not only was she well-dressed, gorgeous, and bright-eyed, she smelled good and didn't have that used car voice if you catch my drift. U0 close she's a 9 (on the normal civilian scale). I almost thought it was too good to be true, but I rolled the dice and won BIG time. I scooped her up immediately. I didn't care how awkward it looked stopping like that, nor did I care who was watching. I'm telling you boys she is worth it.

Did the usual LE confirmation and settled for 30. At first I was adamant about 20, but something told me she would be one of the exceedingly rare SW worth more than the usual, so against my better judgment I agreed to 20 upfront and 10 after. She smiled and got right to work.

Calling her a SW is disrespectful at this point, because she took my soul. Deep, sloppy, methodical. Not only did she cover every square inch of the discussion, she left no fold, crevice, or corner unloved. Her technique was startling for someone on the stroll. And the best part was how obedient she was. I told her to slow down and appraise the coin purse as she gave me a HJ. I can't even begin to describe to you how it felt. I didn't even think it could feel that good. What really sealed the deal for me is that she never once complained, never once rushed me, and she made sure to heed my every command. When I was ready, she told ME to grab a handful of her hair (real! No wig!) and push her down when I was ready.

It surprised me at first, but I did just that. Usually I'm in control of the dance, but boys, let me tell you, this girl is 11 out of 10. She didn't stop until I became a gummi worm and even then she made sure to extract it all out. She didn't stop. Took her time until I was well spent. I fought I'll ever experience a BBBJCIM better than her. If you see a girl with a dreamcatcher necklace and curly shoulder-length hair, scoop her up immediately.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5069647]What you have described in your two excellent posts is CONTROL. The power lies with the dude with the money. Now he can choose to hold and use the power in a polite way, or give his power over to the girl. [/QUOTE]I want to make a related point. While I have never paid in advance, I also never agree to a price in advance. Typically the guest asks what I want and wants to agree on a price. I respond calmly, "I will not discuss or agree on a price for three good reasons. First, if we agree that I'm going to pay you, its illegal. You can get into a car with me and do whatever and its perfectly legal so long as we don't make an agreement that you will get paid for it. Later I may decide to give you a gift that was not in exchange for what we did. Still legal. You just have to trust me. Second reason, if we agreed on some price and it takes me longer, I don't want you complaining and interrupting and asking for more. You just have to trust me. I'm fair. Third reason, I trust you but some girls take the cash and dash. ".

To be honest this has not always worked but most of the time it does. If I get an argument or attitude, I say "I'm going to drop you off at the next corner. Here is $5 for you trouble. Stay safe and have a nice day. " I do like to talk a lot and take my time and I am generous. I'm being fair and honest, I'm being forthright (pun intended). Most of the times, this has gotten good results. Sometimes I do get attitude but I have never been burned.

- Forth Ryte.

Anyone ever do a date with TJ? She's usually out at Kensington and Pacific right before the bridge. There's no doubt she give the best head out there. Her or Amarist.

Had a dream that I met a young woman named Dani near the quick stop. In my dream she had light red hair, about 5'6" and very pure white skin with freckles. She's a very sweet 20 something. Had on a brown puffy coat and was easy to talk to, no drama in my dream.

[QUOTE=JamesGlia;5072716]Had a dream that I met a young woman named Dani near the quick stop. In my dream she had light red hair, about 5'6" and very pure white skin with freckles. She's a very sweet 20 something. Had on a brown puffy coat and was easy to talk to, no drama in my dream.[/QUOTE]Was It this Dani? A Pic from a Couple Years Ago.