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I haven't really posted much in a while for a couple of reasons. First, I have been out of the country for work quite a bit and doing my thing in some wonderful countries. The beauty, the youth, the service in other countries have been AMAZING. Second, I got banned on SA. I am looking to get back in soon.
My screening and M&G almost always involve getting to know them a bit over a few days via texting. After we pass that phase, I invite them to a coffee and tea spot that also has cold drinks. I sit near the entrance so that I can see the young woman walk in. If she is way off from her pics, which happens from time to time. I message her, letting her know I'm not interested and why. I am not rude in my message, but very straightforward. If after we meet and our vibe is off, I let them know I am no longer interested. Again, honest but not rude. If we have chemistry in person, agree on terms, I almost always try to move the relationship / arrangement forward to the goods ASAP. Sometimes that is date one, other times it is date two.
I take this approach for a few reasons. I treat them like people and I get along with people are able to be straightforward in communication. It also helps to ensure that I waste as little of my time as possible. Third, I find that I have a better time when I establish some kind of chemistry with the young woman. I have no illusion that we are in a romantic relationship, even after I have had one try to actually be with me in a "real" relationship. Of course, I said no because that is not what I want. My point is that I build something with my SBs that is something between pure escort and true gf and that works for me. I have never given more than 200 and have a few women that hookup with me for 0 (quite often) because we actually enjoy the time together. Getting to this stage take time and effort. For me, time and effort has been a lunch without expecting intimacy after we have already been intimate, which sounds dumb until you one realizes I have had lots of intimacy for the cost of one lunch. It has also been texting (I don't talk on the phone much) about their problems or day. Once, I picked one up so that she could pick up a TV she ordered from Bestbuy and I never had time give her a thing for a year. She would tell me "No. I like you. " I think your M&Gs and screening processes should work towards what YOU want and need. So much of my process (via text, via M&G, how they handle my straightforwardness, etc.) is looking for those who might be open to my way.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6287727]Well that explains it. I guess I get a little too wired from the anticipation. When I meet a new girl if she it hot and the sparks are there (like in the first few minutes) then bam. I need to get to it asap. I think in 15 or so years of doing this I have only sat through like 3 meals before hitting the FC. Sat through maybe a few more starbucks or whatever though. Also the way I M&G is usually just to chat in the car for a few minutes anyway. I basically did that even when I was rolling in it. But I have been semi-retired for quite a while so scheduling is a whole lot easier than what you have to deal with.
I read once that almost any girl makes up her mind about a guy within the first 5 minutes. And not always but many times I am picking up the girl. So I go to the spot, talk in the car, and if its cool I am back to my place. And if not, some mild awkwardness and then she is gone. And I do let some come straight to my place with no M&G, but that style seems to have gone out of style with these girls since covid. Plus I really do a heavy screening prior to meeting them to cut down on the ones I reject in person.
But thanks for all your many posts. I wish more people would post their screening and M&G techniques as I have learned a lot and adopted many of those over the years. Whatever happens after that is usually a YMMV scenario.[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/11b094ab-bc4c-480d-afd2-dbb712820cbc[/URL]
Started texting, tell her 500 ppm for dinner and fun. She says 1000 min. I ask for bareback and at least 4 hours in bed. She replies:
"Condom is nonnegotiable sorry sweetie".
"If you show me your test results I'd be happy to give you a BJ for the happy ending LOL".
"Let's meet and we can talk about arrangement then LOL. Doesn't have to be so serious.
"If I'm only seeing you once a month, I know you will make it worth my time.
My previous arrangement with my ex of 1. 5 years was 6 k per month, housing, health insurance, bmw, and new iPhone. I would like something comparable. If you're in town for a week can you do $2-3 k?"
Lmao.
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6291669][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/11b094ab-bc4c-480d-afd2-dbb712820cbc[/URL]
Started texting, tell her 500 ppm for dinner and fun. She says 1000 min. I ask for bareback and at least 4 hours in bed. She replies:
"Condom is nonnegotiable sorry sweetie".
"If you show me your test results I'd be happy to give you a BJ for the happy ending LOL".
"Let's meet and we can talk about arrangement then LOL. Doesn't have to be so serious.
"If I'm only seeing you once a month, I know you will make it worth my time.
My previous arrangement with my ex of 1. 5 years was 6 k per month, housing, health insurance, bmw, and new iPhone. I would like something comparable. If you're in town for a week can you do $2-3 k?"
Lmao.[/QUOTE]Always hilarious when they've only been on the site for a week and they talk about their mythical previous arrangement where a guy gave them 4 figures for almost nothing. I always ask them why it ended if they had such a great thing. They always say "he moved".
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6291669][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/11b094ab-bc4c-480d-afd2-dbb712820cbc[/URL]
Started texting, tell her 500 ppm for dinner and fun. She says 1000 min. I ask for bareback and at least 4 hours in bed. She replies:
"Condom is nonnegotiable sorry sweetie".
"If you show me your test results I'd be happy to give you a BJ for the happy ending LOL".
"Let's meet and we can talk about arrangement then LOL. Doesn't have to be so serious.
"If I'm only seeing you once a month, I know you will make it worth my time.
My previous arrangement with my ex of 1. 5 years was 6 k per month, housing, health insurance, bmw, and new iPhone. I would like something comparable. If you're in town for a week can you do $2-3 k?"
Lmao.[/QUOTE]While this is laughable it is believable. Its like new girl money at the strip club. First time SB meets first time (but not always) SD. An arrangement that will never be repeated.
Saw her visiting a year + ago. Met up in a bar to check each other out, back to my room, great sex, reasonable allowance. Do not mention anything about me to her.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ba6d44f2-4e54-4d7a-88c0-6f90c0820434[/URL]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/31d6ed81-49e8-49d5-87b9-aacaf78bdd8a[/URL]
Started talking and agree to 500 as long as I take her to dinner. Doesn't want to do bare, gives the typical bullshit of how her headgame is great, I'll cum easily, blah blah. Eventually asks for a 100 deposit to secure the date, which I refuse because I tell her I've been scammed. She says:
"That's.
A bummer. I've never scammed anyone I have revjews that prove it. If I was going to scam people than they would be the first to give me bad reviews".
I ask what reviews, she says:
"Private delights, erotic monkey, etc. ".
I fake like I don't know what those are and tell her I can't do a deposit, if that means we're not meeting then best of luck. She's not said anything so far.
I met up with her a few years ago when she advertised on Mojo. She went by Sophie or Sophia. She used to only be $$ for an hour. Her rates have gone up considerably. She is a nice girl. Looks just like her pics, at least she did back then. She is definitely worth $$, $$ seems like alot. Not sure I would go that high.
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6296174][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/31d6ed81-49e8-49d5-87b9-aacaf78bdd8a[/URL]
Started talking and agree to 500 as long as I take her to dinner. Doesn't want to do bare, gives the typical bullshit of how her headgame is great, I'll cum easily, blah blah. Eventually asks for a 100 deposit to secure the date, which I refuse because I tell her I've been scammed. She says:
"That's.
A bummer. I've never scammed anyone I have revjews that prove it. If I was going to scam people than they would be the first to give me bad reviews".
I ask what reviews, she says:
"Private delights, erotic monkey, etc. ".
I fake like I don't know what those are and tell her I can't do a deposit, if that means we're not meeting then best of luck. She's not said anything so far.[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a34202c6-4de6-4283-b9ab-c9c1885f94a9[/URL]
There's a scammer in Vegas making fake profiles and using the same lines. Hit up one of their profiles and they'll always say:
"happy to meet if arrangement is proper and we prebook".
By prebook, they mean send a deposit. Encountered 3 so far with the exact same line, always using pics of extremely hot girls.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist1980;6296519]I met up with her a few years ago when she advertised on Mojo. She went by Sophie or Sophia. She used to only be $$ for an hour. Her rates have gone up considerably. She is a nice girl. Looks just like her pics, at least she did back then. She is definitely worth $$, $$ seems like alot. Not sure I would go that high.[/QUOTE]I used to be regular with Sophie. Bare everything for $$.
Very thin (skinny). Great pussy. I loved it while It lasted.
Any time I've tried to see her in the last year or two she wanted $$ and no BBFS.
[QUOTE=VegasMatt;6298739]I used to be regular with Sophie. Bare everything for $$.
Very thin (skinny). Great pussy. I loved it while It lasted.
Any time I've tried to see her in the last year or two she wanted $$ and no BBFS.[/QUOTE]The auto correct on this site is making nonsense of your posts. Just write down what you are paying for allowance, 300,400, 500, whatever.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c33b8a95-5adf-4e08-af97-9f98d9b82cbc[/URL]
She starts off on SA by saying she had 600 PPM. I figured okay, I could work with it if she's down for the right kind of fun.
Get to talking, figure out date and dinner, then I ask if she's clean and tested, can we do bare? She responds with:
"I never said we were having sex".
LMAO.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6299291]The auto correct on this site is making nonsense of your posts. Just write down what you are paying for allowance, 300,400, 500, whatever.[/QUOTE]Nah bro, if the cops bust this site they'll totally get away with no charges because they wrote $$ instead of 200, and wrote that they were dreaming so none of it actually happened!
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6299291]The auto correct on this site is making nonsense of your posts. Just write down what you are paying for allowance, 300,400, 500, whatever.[/QUOTE]She wants 6 now. She has a web site and ter reviews. I don't see how she can try that platonic shit on.
SA. She's a pro for years.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fb9951d4-c16b-2421-0501-32f9cede970f[/URL]
Started talking, settled on date for dinner and fun for 500. I tell her I'm tested and clean, ask her to confirm. She says uncovered fun is more than 500, I ask how much and she says 1000. I tell her I normally only do that for overnights or all day dates, if she wants that for a dinner date what else is she willing to do? Anal? Rimjob? Watersports? I don't even like those kinks, I just wanted to see what she would say, 90% chance I would let her go. She says no anal, then gives me this:
"Don't under value me I won't see you!! I know my worth your not going to fuck me uncovered for 500".
https://members.seeking.com/member/57e51d37-df46-4b59-b1aa-d43ab8a62057
Claims to be two Euro girls who live in Miami and were in Vegas for a bit. Asked them to text, they're very short with 1-3 word responses to everything. Finally make my offer of 500 for each of them for intimate dates, they respond with:
"Lol no. Bye"
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6c3c5972-4607-4965-bdf4-064405af32ac[/URL]
Get to texting, I tell her I do 500 for dinner and intimacy. She says 500 is just for her time, anything else is extra. I ask what PPM for sex, she says 1000. I ask if bareback is on the menu, she says no.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/292f465e-84a5-4469-8f9a-729dd2b693b6[/URL]
Wants to get PPM, but not open to fucking until "getting to know each other better".
[QUOTE=VegasMatt;6301820]She wants 6 now. She has a web site and ter reviews. I don't see how she can try that platonic shit on.
SA. She's a pro for years.[/QUOTE]Can you link her site? I tried to search TER for her number from SA and nothing came up.
I have not been sugaring with new girls for quite some time for a couple of reasons. 1. I found two steady SBs that are fantastic (neither of which are in the game / on the site anymore) and I have been doing my thing with them steadily. 2. I got kicked off the site. I am thinking about getting back in the game for someone new. What is the going rate for SB PPMs now? I know this is and has always been a range but I am seeing a lot of 500. Are there still plenty of women who will accept less or has 500 become the new standard?
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6302294][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/292f465e-84a5-4469-8f9a-729dd2b693b6[/URL]
Wants to get PPM, but not open to fucking until "getting to know each other better".[/QUOTE]It's her second day on the site (well, with this profile). If you aren't patient, you'll not have much luck getting girls who aren't UTR escorts.
[QUOTE=SeckSee1;6302322]I have not been sugaring with new girls for quite some time for a couple of reasons. 1. I found two steady SBs that are fantastic (neither of which are in the game / on the site anymore) and I have been doing my thing with them steadily. 2. I got kicked off the site. I am thinking about getting back in the game for someone new. What is the going rate for SB PPMs now? I know this is and has always been a range but I am seeing a lot of 500. Are there still plenty of women who will accept less or has 500 become the new standard?[/QUOTE]I've never gotten less than 500 agreed to, even though I sometimes start negotiations at 400. I don't even dare offer 300 anymore, likely to piss off real girls who are good potential SB's.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/103f6936-2722-433f-a83c-841cadf40bab[/URL]
40 fucking years old and has GPS. Started texting, I offer 500 for dinner and fun. Next thing I know, she's blocked me on SA and didn't respond to my offer.
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6302569]I've never gotten less than 500 agreed to, even though I sometimes start negotiations at 400. I don't even dare offer 300 anymore, likely to piss off real girls who are good potential SB's.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/103f6936-2722-433f-a83c-841cadf40bab[/URL]
40 fucking years old and has GPS. Started texting, I offer 500 for dinner and fun. Next thing I know, she's blocked me on SA and didn't respond to my offer.[/QUOTE]Needles in a haystack, but they are out there. Long ago I gave out a lot of information but so little was returned that I stop. Just lost my girls to gps when the board used them up.
Inflation is hitting us all. LOL.
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6302569]I've never gotten less than 500 agreed to, even though I sometimes start negotiations at 400. I don't even dare offer 300 anymore, likely to piss off real girls who are good potential SB's.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/103f6936-2722-433f-a83c-841cadf40bab[/URL]
40 fucking years old and has GPS. Started texting, I offer 500 for dinner and fun. Next thing I know, she's blocked me on SA and didn't respond to my offer.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Night234;6302622]Needles in a haystack, but they are out there. Long ago I gave out a lot of information but so little was returned that I stop. Just lost my girls to gps when the board used them up.[/QUOTE]If you are negotiating electronically, of course you will get escort-level numbers. You could be a total creep. Don't promise anything other than a fancy drink and meet the girl. Flirt w / her like you would a girl you are trying to date. I can guarantee the sugar will be more reasonable.
The last time I was in Vegas, I met up w / someone I contacted in advance and built rapport with. Because we both have dogs. I met up w / her at a bar across the street from my hotel, and literally it was a Bud light and a G&T. She came to my room for the night for 300. Tall, blonde, very pretty, banging body.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6302849]If you are negotiating electronically, of course you will get escort-level numbers. You could be a total creep. Don't promise anything other than a fancy drink and meet the girl. Flirt w / her like you would a girl you are trying to date. I can guarantee the sugar will be more reasonable.
The last time I was in Vegas, I met up w / someone I contacted in advance and built rapport with. Because we both have dogs. I met up w / her at a bar across the street from my hotel, and literally it was a Bud light and a G&T. She came to my room for the night for 300. Tall, blonde, very pretty, banging body.[/QUOTE]Personality always goes a long way. I estimate its good for half off or more depending.
[QUOTE=SeckSee1;6302322] Are there still plenty of women who will accept less or has 500 become the new standard?[/QUOTE]I usually agree to 500 but ask them if we like each other would they do 400 the next 2 times with a dinner thrown in? Or with a trip to a strip club if she is game?
It works almost all the time as they are guaranteed 800 more over the next 2 dates and they also are able to go out and unwind.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6302849]If you are negotiating electronically, of course you will get escort-level numbers. You could be a total creep. Don't promise anything other than a fancy drink and meet the girl. Flirt w / her like you would a girl you are trying to date. I can guarantee the sugar will be more reasonable.
The last time I was in Vegas, I met up w / someone I contacted in advance and built rapport with. Because we both have dogs. I met up w / her at a bar across the street from my hotel, and literally it was a Bud light and a G&T. She came to my room for the night for 300. Tall, blonde, very pretty, banging body.[/QUOTE]If I were local to Vegas and could afford to waste time, I'd def just hit them up and negotiate in person. I'm not, so I have to schedule everything and maximize my time, and if a date doesn't work out, that's time I could have spent banging someone else.
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6303576]If I were local to Vegas and could afford to waste time, I'd def just hit them up and negotiate in person. I'm not, so I have to schedule everything and maximize my time, and if a date doesn't work out, that's time I could have spent banging someone else.[/QUOTE]I don't live in Vegas, I was visiting. Convenience has a cost in any activity. I am more quality oriented, and putting in advance work gets me quality at a good price. If you don't want to do that, if you want 'delivery', it will cost more.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d0f2257d-ea75-453d-937b-62c6a9590b8a[/URL]
I know one of you high rollers is going after this one.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6303612]I don't live in Vegas, I was visiting. Convenience has a cost in any activity. I am more quality oriented, and putting in advance work gets me quality at a good price. If you don't want to do that, if you want 'delivery', it will cost more.[/QUOTE]I try to schedule 2 girls a day every day I'm in Vegas, but I only go after 8+ girls. That's a lot of unsure meet and greets. And I work all day from 6 AM to at least 2 PM, and have to get to sleep at a decent time to work the next day, so I really don't have that much free time.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6304829][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d0f2257d-ea75-453d-937b-62c6a9590b8a[/URL]
I know one of you high rollers is going after this one.[/QUOTE]Isn't she fake? Pretty sure I saw her under a different profile.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a860bb7d-d973-40f9-8e54-5939ae3fc97b
Time waster, texted for a long time talking about random stuff, finally got to a date for 500PPM, asked if she's tested and clean and she says:
"Oh that's not what I'm looking for . Good luck"
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6304896]Isn't she fake? Pretty sure I saw her under a different profile.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a860bb7d-d973-40f9-8e54-5939ae3fc97b
[/QUOTE]The photos on each profile look vastly different though ages are similar.
So I have been seeing this girl for some time now and she said she wants to branch out so here you go. She is submissive as far as taking directions and she takes directions very well. She loves giving BBBJ she will suck you cock for 30+ minutes no problem and the longer she goes the more spit she has. When we first met I asked for BBFS and told her I was just tested and she agreed and I showed her my results. I never asked if she was BBFS out right so YMMV on this. Anal she is very new to it so it may be possible but again YMMV. I have been seeing her for a long time now so my rates may not be current so I am not going to post a rate because I am sure I am getting a regulars rate. As with most girls negotiating is an option but again YMMV. Also she is no rush at all unlike an out an out escort who charges by the hour. Also she is a sweetheart very friendly and easy to talk to and very easy to ask what you want. She lives in Phoenix but comes to Vegas about every two weeks and is here for a few days at a time. Oh almost forgot she is like 5'5' and about 145 my best guess. [URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/167e1dc4623918dc[/URL].
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c94ffa9b-d5d6-4666-80ea-f57e0eeebec3[/URL]
Super hard to get a hold of. Finally start texting, she opens with "I need 1 k minimum. " I tell her sure, for a whole day. She says if we find some things to fill up the time, sure. I tell her I'm clean and sterile with tests, ask if she's clean. She gives me:
"I require protected. What do I look like to you?
I'm done with her at this point so I say: "a girl".
She says: "not one who does that thank you".
Some girls are nice about no BB, some are huge fucking entitled kunts.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a29eb62f-a242-4971-9711-7b11674fa76d
This girl also won't do BB, but was respectful about it. Wanted 500PPM, when I asked about BBFS she say:
"Sorry but I don't do anything without a condom"
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ca67fdc2-4967-4a29-b48b-7fea6f4330d2[/URL]
Wants 500 PPM for dinner dates, 2 k if there's sex.
https://members.seeking.com/member/f27c519b-f941-4692-acd9-ce0b4d07f496
This tubby ass, I told her 300PPM. She reponds with "Oh my price would be wayyy more than that sorry"
Anyone have feedback on her? Seems like I've seen the profile before but history says new.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8abfbb00-77ff-43cc-bc28-9af38d9eae46[/URL]
Don't want to get scammed.
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6306076]This tubby ass, I told her 300PPM. She reponds with "Oh my price would be wayyy more than that sorry"[/QUOTE]The second one looks very sexy to me by the way your sense of humour is amazing. I like the way you told the other one that you want a girl.
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6306076][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ca67fdc2-4967-4a29-b48b-7fea6f4330d2[/URL]
Wants 500 PPM for dinner dates, 2 k if there's sex.
https://members.seeking.com/member/f27c519b-f941-4692-acd9-ce0b4d07f496
This tubby ass, I told her 300PPM. She reponds with "Oh my price would be wayyy more than that sorry"[/QUOTE]Carmen is a very well reviewed young lady on TER, 2 K for dinner and sex may not be all that bad to some. For me, nah but if she was like 1 K for dinner and a pillow fight then he'll yeah count me in.
[URL]https://www.datecarmenvip.com/consideration/[/URL]
This one asked for $500, I offered $400 and she accepted. Not quite as attractive as Pics, and a little heavier. Not bad but she has meat on her bones. She did not mention cover and took it bb like a champ. Just not my type so I won't repeat.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1c682c46-6530-4678-b32c-ffa914441b5e[/URL]
She is seeking $1 k for GFE for the night. I did not partake.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e6dba690-9d14-42bf-8f5d-f976f8cb9387[/URL]
[QUOTE=JimRob;6306852]She is seeking $1 k for GFE for the night. I did not partake.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e6dba690-9d14-42bf-8f5d-f976f8cb9387[/URL][/QUOTE]I liked her and for 1 K, I'd bite. Now if I wasn't banned. LOL.
[QUOTE=HpyGolky;6306538]Carmen is a very well reviewed young lady on TER, 2 K for dinner and sex may not be all that bad to some. For me, nah but if she was like 1 K for dinner and a pillow fight then he'll yeah count me in.
[URL]https://www.datecarmenvip.com/consideration/[/URL][/QUOTE]Interesting. She's def very hot, and the TER reviews mention BBFS, although not explicitly. She's def not well-reviewed though, only 3 reviews on TER. I tried googling her booking email and no other review sites popped up.
[QUOTE=JimRob;6306849]This one asked for $500, I offered $400 and she accepted. Not quite as attractive as Pics, and a little heavier. Not bad but she has meat on her bones. She did not mention cover and took it bb like a champ. Just not my type so I won't repeat.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1c682c46-6530-4678-b32c-ffa914441b5e[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL I met up with her in person and she's not attractive, ended up giving her $100 for gas after dinner and sending her on her way.